You bullied a very meek JW! hahah! If it had been me, I would have devoured you! You have no argument! Come to and debate it with me religious leader!!!! It will not be so easy! And dont forget to call me Sir!
@nik3830 PLEEEESE!!! Give me a break. I would chew this Sheikh Ahmed Deedat up and spit him out!!
He uses psychological intimidation. He could not use it on me. I would love to have a discussion with this Islamic guy. I am a JW and I know that Islam is not the truth. Just look at the Islamic world with all the turmoil that's going on. If it were exclusively JW's in those regions, then there would be true peace because we worship the TRUE GOD of peace JEHOVAH.
@choctaw48 in the begining t there was only one true god his name is jehovah. jehovahs pple are truly the real messengers that to this day have folllowed jesus teachings. soon this world will be back to jehovhahs goverment rule.no islam isnt the truth,8 million true jehovah witness strong !!!
an example is the big fool below 'BGfromGB'.you'd be talking about jesus and whether he's the only sinless person in the bible and the bible contradictions,now he's bringing Muhammad into the discussion to save his skin!
he's made an allegation against the holy prophet Muhammad of which he can never defend.but to make it clear to him,Muhammad is sinless and infallible and thats what muslims believe.
please muslim brothers and sisters,dont waste ur time arguing with these programmed machines.u can never have a decent conversation with them.if the conversation is decent,they will always end up losers,that they're! they always try to pull strings in discussions and make inways to divert topics.they have been taught.its not like theyre following their conscience.they dont have one.they have sold that conscience to their watch tower.
the name yeshua in the quran? lol who are u trying to con? i can read arabic. where? in the quran the messiah aka al masih, the man u refered as jesus christ, in the quran refer as prophet isa al masih. in the quran is prophet isa. not yeshua. yeshua does not exist in the quran. what the hell are u talking about man?
No I'm not expert at reading hebrew. There are tonnes of literature on the internet to help which you muslims refuse point blank to accept.
The reason for this is that all the literature available exposes Islam for the falsehood it is and muslims are too scared read the real truth about YESHUA
Directly no. Indirectly - yes. and this is confirmed even in the Quran
BTW I retrach my bet as I assumed you meant the name YESHUA to be in the OT. However the MESSIAH is mentioned and we all know who the Messiah is don't we. Even the Quran confirms that.
u tell me who is this yeshua? i have no idea who this yeshua guy is. he is non existant in the old testament and the quran.i bet this yeshua is an important person for his name to be left out in the old testament, his own supposed revelation. lol.
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sorry bgfromgb. i dont know just who is this yeshua. do u know who is this yeshua bgfromgb?
indeed. ahmad deedat was NEVER a prophet. the last prophet was Muhammad (s.a.w). never did ahmad deedat claim he is a prophet, like jesus claim he is god. of course yeshua was never mentioned in the old testament. true indeed
I am talking about the coming of Yeshua. It was prophesied in the scriptures even though his name was not mentioned. Unlike the double standards of islam who also claim that the old testament prophesied the coming of Mo. yet his name was never mentioned. Islam loves to steal the limelight by thinking Islam IS the ONLY religion.
I worship Elohim YHWH and him alone. And NO I am NOT Jewish nor am I a christian YESHUA although Jewish was neither a christian nor a muslim. YHWH is religionlerss. Totally.
chapter 5 verse 16. his mouth is most sweet: yea is altogether lovely. altogether lovely in the original text is muhhamadim. im is a plural of respect. his name his metioned! if you want more please reply
I can provide the Aramaic writings bu unfortunately this website cannot display the heirogliphics. There IS NO mention of Mohammed or even a hint of it. NONE. The word MChmDYM in no way means Mohammed. Nothing like it. You take a word that looks like Mohammed and then you falsely make meaningless assumptions. Dream on my friend
which bible are you reading from? whats the name? you know what to make sure im going to ask a jew to read his torah and ask him to read this verse. i hope he allows me to record him. if he does ill post it on youtube1.
The word of God is not about the right pronouncements of words. It is about the message contained therein. ^Thaqt verse is NOT about Mohammed. Nothing likr it. You know it very well. So why not face the truthot thew message instead of trying to make false doctrine by way of ridiculous pronouncements
look this is jewish book the best people pronounce it should be a jew! And my friend wtf!"The word of God is not about the right pronouncements of words" what are you talking about? if you get the pronouncements wrong then ur reading it wrong!
ignorant.. u know that jesus hails from nazareth, so he speak hebrew. he speak jewish not english. there must be a manual of religion that jesus left behind. the bible was suppose to be translation from this original manual. jesus bible is like muhammad`s quran.
What on earth would that verse suggest it is Mohammed? The previous verse shows conclusively it has nothing to do with the prophecy of Mo. ....IS LIKE THE WORDS OF......
Vs 12 Refers to the present tense: READ THIS PLEASE>>>>This has nothing to do with Mo.
Mo did not have the complete written quran during his lifetime. Everything he said was written on leaves & parchment. The Quran was compiled 23 yrs after his death. Some of this was destroyed by Uthman
BGfromGB. U are really stupid! The perverse verse is a different prophesy! Isaiah Ch 29:11 the person who gets the book in this verse is learned! Verse 12 the person who gets the book is not leraned. If you claim that this prophesy is for a prophet in the bible then show me a prophet in the bible who after getting a book from god says im not learned. I challenge you will not find one!
And why are you trying change the subject? By talking about whether or not the prophet had the full quran or not thats a different subject. U Christians all hav the same sickness of changing subjects when you cant answer a question.
My original question about Isaiah Ch 29:12 which you tried to answer but I refuted. Ur response was. What on earth would that verse suggest it is Mohammed? The previous verse shows conclusively it has nothing to do with the prophecy of Mo. ....IS LIKE THE WORDS OF......
Vs 12 Refers to the present tense: READ THIS PLEASE>>>>This has nothing to do with Mo.
2nd part. Mo did not have the complete written quran during his lifetime. Everything he said was written on leaves & parchment. The Quran was compiled 23 yrs after his death. Some of this was destroyed by Uthman. This has nothing to do with nothing to our current topic, thats what i ment by not my answering question. That statement of yours is also wrong!
Ur doing it again! I told u to stay on the subject! BUt any how i will answer you. The prophet did have it written down! Not on paper but leaves camel skin..he supervised the order.This took 23 years of his prophetic life. The quran he left was with his wife .
Uthman burnt copies of the Quran which had different vowel points! If you knew the history of what happened who you would not make just a stupid comment. The different vowel points were added by new converts. Hafsa(prophets wife) she had the Quran that was left by the prophet. Any quran that did not match they burnt. So as not to create confusion. He was not burning different copies!
What a lame argument. You know very well that there will always be confusion whether you like it or not. There is so much confusion about scriptures to thius day. No amount of destruction or corruption will help. It fact it will do more harm than good
Reallly it did not help? Muslims are not confused about whats written and who wrote it, what Umar did was presevation of the quran as prommised by Allah in the quran. I mean its common sense . And as to the video link i sent you, i was not trying to show the name of allah, but in the video he shows you what a vowel point is and its coming from a Jew who is not a a friend mine.
Is see from your profile that you live in UK, I live in London. I challenge you to a debate on Islam and Christianity. FACE TO FACE. And it should be recorded. You can have anybody on your side to help you.
Thank you fo the offer but decline your on the basis that I do not claim to be a scholar nor do I claim to be a christian.
But what I am prepared to debate is for muslims to produce evidence and proof that the Bible has been tampered with. ie proof that Jesus is the son of God and Islamic blasphemous statements that Jesus is NOT the son of God.
Wether im a good muslim or not i will still claim to be a muslim. If you consider Islamic statments about jesus blasphmeous then you are a Christian! I don't mind debating the topic Is Jesus God, Is Jesus son of God. You Choose.
Since the Bible irrefutably proves that Jesus is the son of God and confirmed by the Quran, I am more than happy to discuss that jesus is the son of God
In 19:12, Yahya, who lived at the time of Jesus was told "to take hold of the Book, (the Torah)."
Surah 3,48 tells us that Jesus was also taught in the Torah.
Numerous verses, such as Surah 34, Saba, verse 31, Surah 35, Fatir, verse 31, attest to the truth that the Torah was uncorrupted in the time of Muhammad in the sixth century A.D. The Arabic phrase "bain yadaihi" which is used in these references to the Torah literally means "between his hands"
u said quran confirms jesus as son of god wich it does not. and quran confirming the tora u read those my friend and carefully. one of the qurans purpose is to guard the tora so what eva matches with quran i take as word f god what eva does not i throw it away!
"But what I am prepared to debate is for muslims to produce evidence and proof that the Bible has been tampered with." Many many plain and clear contradictions in d Bible. If u dnt believe read it 4 urself. Cotracdiction = inconsistency, the bible is always arguing wiv itself. Also paul the author of many books in d new testament, btw he ws a forma christian bounty hunter, he didnt even knw or meet Jesus or live in his lifetime is ment 2 hav written a major part of d Bible. Many mor proofs
Ok this is just one from thousands, could you tell me the first commandment and tell me what it means. Also listen, some parts from the bible are the Word's of God but the major part isn't. watch the rest of the parts of this very video. Ahmed Deedat mentions quite a few, such as the one in Deuteronomy chapter 25 , where god is merciful to an animal but not to an innocent woman.
I have studied Deedat. He's a heretic and false teacher - a wolf in sheep's clothin.
Yes God is one and always be so. Jesus said he is the son of God. T^hat's a fact.u cannot deny otherwise according to Islamic doctrine Jesus is accused of blasphemy just like the Jews did and had him crucified. teh major parts of the bible that are not gods word does not prove it is corrupt or has been tampered with.
BG- contrary to what you say, Jesus is not blasphemous in Islam- nor was he blasphemous at any point. Next point- even though u say the Jews crucified him, you, as a christian would help the Jew in this venture! because you believe that he must die for you anyway. Its always interesting to ask a christian if he would rescue jesus from the crucifixion,- simply because it causes him to wrestle with his instinct of compassion, and his delusion that Jesus must die for his sins.
Read this quote from Matthew 7:22/23 - "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." King James Version. Now please tell me what those two verses from your own bible mean to you?
d context of d verse is based on Jesus' 2nd comin, n if u notice in 22 Jesus is talkin abt christians tellin him did we not preach in ur name etc. n den Jesus sed in 23 he will den tell dem 2 get out of his site, becoz he never knew dem, d ones who broke the law. Jesus is tellin d Christians in der own book dat dey are practicin in a rong way coz he dosnt recognize u lot, coz he didnt teach what christians r doin today, simple and clear as that. lemme giv u a mor cleara n modern translation
Matt 7:22 New Living Translation "On judgment day many will say to me, Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.But I will reply, I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break Gods laws.
Jesus is not referin 2 Islam or any other religion. He is referring 2 Christianity, hence y it says prophesied in your name. d only ppl on earth who do anythin in Jesus' name r Christians. And dat is probably d biggest proof of the fact that fings have been added in dat contradict d True Teachings of Jesus nd d proof is coming straight out of Jesus' mouth, sorry but you have 2 luv the irony. I'm not trying to offend u or anyone else i'm just stating the facts of what Jesus says in those verses
Wrong jesus was not referring to christiannity.Christianity did not exist in his time ion earth. I did not say jesus referred to Islam or any religion either. There was no religion by name in thos e days. Jesus was referring to false prophets of whom Mohammed was one. when Mohammed lied by saying Jesus is NOT the son of God despite Jesus saying that numerous times in the Bible
Let me remind you of the context Jesus is referring to his 2nd coming, also let me ask you this question. Who do you think Jesus is referring to when he quotes the people who say "On judgment day MANY WILL SAY TO ME, LORD! LORD! (ONLY CHRISTIANS CALL JESUS LORD) We prophesied IN YOUR NAME and cast out demons IN YOUR NAME and performed many miracles IN YOUR NAME."? I think you are totally miss reading it or either reading past it without giving it any logical thought.
I don't think u understood the verses. Who calls Jesus 'Lord, Lord'? And who does wonderful works in Jesus name? Certainly not the atheists, nor Hindus, nor Muslims, nor Jews, nor Buddhists. Only the Christian does this. This verse is clearly specific and can only apply to some of the christians or those that follow them.
Why do you concern yourself about one single verse. Why don't you as a muslim concern yourself with the real issues such as YESHUA proclaiming himself to be the son of God.. Why don't you concern yourself with the events leading to the events leading to YESHUA's death. Why don't you challeng what the Quran says about the crucifixion especially when there appears to be a coverup as to who was crucified.
Why do you concern yourself with the verse that says he is the son of God- when this title applies to dozens of people in the bible? Why are you not also concerned when he proclaims himself to be the son of man?
For many reasons the bible does not qualify as an authentic document. In addition to having no originals- there are many writings of similar dating that hold contradictory stories- most to all of them are anonymous- including those of the bible.
...when nthe title applioes to dozens of people in the Bible. My concern is that according to Islamic logic, it is blasphemy to refer to God as ur father. Yes Jesus is also the son of man What's the problem there.
For many reasons the Bible does Not qualify as an authentic document.
On what grounds can you qualify that the Qurann IS an authentic word of God? Can you provide jusy one single reason that thgat the actual words of Yeshuia in scriptures are NOT authentic?
Well u can't have two fathers. Something must not be literal there. Because the bible says he was born without a father. Obviously, the sonship is spiritual, not literal. You can't be son of God and son of man at the same time- literally. But the 'son' relationship, biblically, has always been spiritual. So what exactly are you claiming?
Why are you ignoring all the other sons of God in the bible?
And why are you ignoring the fact that Yeshua by stating he IS the son of God is blapheming. Why are you ignoring the fact that it was God himself who said THIS IS MY SON IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.
Why are byou ignoring the fact that YESHUA IS with HIS FATHER Bin heaven a fact affirmed in Quran.
Did I say that was blasphemy? You simply misunderstand the language. Saying that 'those are cool shoes' is not a reference to temperature. Just as saying 'God's son' is not a reference to genealogy. Because Luke 3:38 also calls Adam the son of God. What makes Jesus' sonship different? Or perhaps this verse will help u:
Genesis 6:2 the SONS of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
There are many sons here...why u talk about only one?
No I am not saying that you said it is blasphemy. What i am saying is that according Islamic logic & Quranic teaching anyone, myself included who claims to be the son of God is blaspheming. Personally it does not bother me, but it must bother islam because by definition prophets are sinnless. So is Yeshus blaspheming?
Well there are many things that Jesus said that were not literal. And ur bible says that he oft spoke in parables. The verse that u claim 'I and My Father are One' was spoken to regular the pharisees. Ur bible says that Jesus never spoke openly except to his disciples and to everyone else he spoke in parables. Hence that verse is a parable, not literal. As u can see, he was speaking of sheep. If u want to claim it all as literal, then perhaps he came as messiah to sheep, not human beings
Parable by definition is a simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson.
So there you have it! Parable? Literal? Same difference. Therefore according to your dogma YESHUA is being blasphemous whether he is speaking literally or in parables.
Also, to reinforce the 'I and my father are one' is not a literal claim, nor claim to deity, consider the following verse, also in your bible.
John 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
So are the disciples also a part of God? Or is this statement not literal? On what grounds do u consider one literal and the other not literal?
No. Read that verse carefully. That they MAY BE one, As you ARE IN me and I IN you. Note again, Jesus is blaspheming whether he is talking in parables or literally.
Did Yeshua say they ARE one in us. No he did not. Take note how Yeshua literally said ONE IN US. Again according to your dogma he IS LITERALLY blaspheming!!!The disciples NEVER said they were one in God. Only YESHUA said that
Jeremiah 31:20 Is not Ephraim my dear son, the child in whom I delight? Though I often speak against him, I still remember him. Therefore my heart yearns for him; I have great compassion for him," declares the LORD
- Why do you leave out all the other references and emphasize one only? Are you now going to refute the verses in the bible? That would be theological suicide.
Great news that you mention a verse from Yirmeyahu(Jeremiah) Did you read the prophecy of the entire chapter" ?
Why have i left out all the other references....No sir I don't refute them. I do not decide for myself how I should interprete those verses. Yes I do believe God is my father, but I, a sinner and my Father are NOT one, Only YESHUA makes (take note present tense) makes that claim.
Then u spoke of such claims being blasphemous in Islam? But the bible is not an Islamic document! The contexts are entirely different! Are you aware that there are several quotes attributed to Jesus in the bible that are known to have been falsified or fabricated?
So now you're also a son to God...have you forgotten that you just said that Jesus is the son of God? It seems that you now don't think the 'son' is such a unique title. So why did u make a big fuss over it? As for your 'personal relationship'- well there is no way to substantiate that right? Except on the day when we will all be judged.
I regard the Almighty as my heavenly father and in the context of your previous Biblical quotes I regard myself the same as all those people u referred to.
But never will I or human mankind will regard ourselves as ONE in God. YESHUA is the ONLY one who makes that claim and that evidence is even backed up in the Quran
So now that you've disregarded the 'son' as an exclusive claim- in the light that I've presented many verses with the same title for other people, you're using the 'My Father and I are One'. If you consider this statement literal, then you struggle with 'The father is Greater than I'. And to appease the last verse, you have to make up stuff that Jesus never taught- such as the doctrine of the trinity or duality. Even so, I can find tons of other references nullifying any false claim u make.
I can find tons of other references nullifying any false claim u make.
Firstly you are a muslim and have an agenda. Yet you stop short of calling Jesus a slanderer/ blasphemer knowing full well that you have no evidence to even suggest that every word that Jesus uttered in the NT is false.
If I personally made the claim the I am the Son of God then I am blaspheming. If I personally told you that I and my creator are one, then I am blaspheming. But not with Jesus. He can say what he wants
"But never will I or human mankind will regard ourselves as ONE in God. YESHUA is the ONLY one who makes that claim"
Did you read the prayer in John 17:20 and forward? Apparently the disciples are also ONE in God. Make up your mind what verses of the bible you don't accept, then we can go from there. This is not an 'I win, you lose' conversation. The more you seek to justify something you know is not true, the more obscure the line between truth and falsehood becomes.
And regarding the issue of Jesus being the only sinless man, the bible also says Zakariya and his wife Elizabeth were both sinless. So I guess you have no more argument about 'sinless' right?
U said "regarding the issue of Jesus being the only sinnless man"
Did I say that? Where? Of course he IS sinnless. That is why he is with his Father as he correctly prophecied. But where is Mohammed? If one reads about him in the hadiths, I doubt very much whether he is indeed in heaven!!!!
God is our creatot. We are his sons and daughters, the brothers and sisters of his Son. We, are made in his image. If we love him, we have a relationship with him.
Why can't islam have a relationship? When you pray to him is that not a relationship? Who is God if you pray to him?
U said "regarding the issue of Jesus being the only sinless man".
Did I say that? Where? But of course he IS sinless - a perfect man. But WAS Mohammed sinless? Well my friend if one reads about his behavoiur and the deeds he committed, he certainly WAS not perfect. Far from it.
@BGfromGB Now you said Jesus was sinless. But the bible says that there is none that is sinless. You and your bible give conflicting testimonies. Because the bible does go on to say that Zakariya and his wife Elizabeth were both sinless. Your bible is surely a contradictory book. I wouldn't use it for clarity if I were you.
Not saying that you are right about what you think of Mohammed (pbuh), brother or sister? But Mohammed (pbuh) did not ask any single being to pray him but to pray the "ONE AND ONLY GOD" the very god of Abraham, Moses and Jesus (pbut). If Muhammed (pbuh) was coming with something totally different and had different agendas,then why would he preach us to pray the same god of Jesus, Moses and Abraham?Muhammad (pbhu) to whom Islam was revealed was to fix the alterations made to the original ...
...preaching of Moses and Jesus (pbut) what deviated a whole innocent nation to a misguided path. Muhammed (pbuh) never said hate Jesus or Moses (pbut) since they are all prohetes sent by the same god.
Apparently?? That tells me you are making an assumption. Well my friend that assumption is false there is not one verse in scriptures which literally (or in parables?????) say that the desciples are one IN God. But Jesus said it, literally, Read 17:21.
If I knew something were not true then I would not waste my time writing to you.
I say the same Yeshua who Mohammed decided to change his name to Isa to brainwash muslims into believing Yeshua/.Jesus is an Arab. Fortunately only fools and Deedat fall for this nonsense.
so now im asking u bgfromgb. why according to u, u said yeshua, the messiah who brings the old testament revelations, did not get his name mentioned in his own revelation? inferiority complex? afraid being reffered to? it is just impossible to say that the old testament is yeshua`s revelation because the name yeshua just doesnt even exist in it . u dont have to be smart or need anyone to tell u this is false. all u need is just pure simple logic aka the brain.
please consider that jesus christ is not a jewish name. even mary is not a jewish name.
the old testament the hebrew scripture mentioned prophet muhammad by name in song of solomon 5:16. and im confidant that u can find the name isa in the scripture too. (if u can read hebrew)
and the funny thing is yeshua was never mentioned in the old testament. so was this yeshua was made up by someone?
the name yeshua was never mentioned in the old testament. theres muhammad and isa. but yeshua? never existed. can u find the word yeshua in the old testament?
U said "Yeshua was never mentioned in the Old Old Testament"
You are right for obvious reasonsJesus is of Greek origin, and in actuality derived from the pagan source of Isus .... Instead of the false name Jesus which evidence suggests has pagan origins, I use Messiah's actual Hebrew name,
the name "Jesus" is found nowhere in the Scriptures—it is a translation of the Greek name "Iesous"
so yeshua and jesus christ was never mentioned in the old testament, but the christian refer prophet Isa by the name jesus christ. we muslim believe everytime the christian mention the name jesus christ they are referring to prophet isa. we muslim believe Musa(moses), Isa (jesus) and Muhammad is all prophet of god, peace upon them. we muslim too believe that prophet Isa will return in his second coming as prophesized in the bible and the quran.
No you are totally wrong. Isa is the Arabic name for Yeshua. Yeshua was and still is a Jew. Giuseppi Verdi is the name of a famous Italian classical composer. His name translated into English is Joseph Green. Should we English speaking now change his name to suit our language. NO DEFINITELY NOT.
Why then should we disrespect THE MESSIAH by bandying his name to suit our languages. His name is Yeshua/Yahshua as it originally was and always will be.
but the name yeshua was never mentioned in the old testament. thats why we muslims said that u christian have lost the original scripture from the messiah (regardless his name). we muslim have the quran that have not been changed for 1400 years in its original and pristine form. word for word letter for letter. its a miracle by itself the quran.
I say absolute tosh. Who is Islam to decide that due to the fact Yeshua is not mentioned in the OT means that the original got lost? This is truly incredible for muslims to make such a statement.
in quran there are about 25 names of prophet mentioned in there other than Muhammad. in the old testament, im sure there also a few of prophet`s name in there. here is when the logic kicks in. the famous messiah who brings the old testament, didnt even get his name mentioned in his own revelations to man? ashamed by own name? affraid of being refferred to?
there were many prophets and revelations before muhammad and isa but they all got lost except for the last one. muhammad and the quran.
Deedat, who alongside Mohammed as being one of the greatest false prophets, is certainly NOT a scholar of the scriptures. He was like like the rest of you muslims. He was in search of mistakes/corruptions instead of the message contained in scriptures.
What makesyou think Deedat is an authority on the scriptures knowing full well that he never had any academic or theological qualifications to back up any of his false doctrine.
to Deedat credits, he have conducted bible classes, lectures and debates the world over. He is well versed in english, arabic and hebrew. He is famous in his career in comparative religion
Prophet Muhammad peace upon him is the best example, role model and have the best values compared to any other man. his achievements is delivering the religion of god and uniting the pagan and warlike arab clan during his period.
Yeshua? his name dont even exist in the old testament. does he even exist?
He is not well versed in Hebrew. That's a fact. He may be world famous but a famous imposter. He is NOT well versed with the Bible., He spent most of his time condemning the Bible which even Mohammed did not. In fact there is not one instance where Mohammed said the Bible was false. Only Deedat and your latter day Imams.
Mohammed is not a role model. He murdered 600 Jews. He was a womaniser and he was so lustful that he did not have the decency to accept that 6 yr old Ayisha not normal
600 jews who breaks the treaty and sided with the enemy during the war with arab pagans. the 600 jews was suppose to defend medina together, but looking at the arab pagan superior number and medina being surrounded. they betrayed prophet Muhammad.
U guys accept abortions, gay and lesbians which is unnatural, but dont accept marriages and polygamy which is natural. that shows the level of your mentality
600 JEWS killed for that!!! Wow what a disrespectful prophet.
We accept abortions, gays etc. No sir. U are wrong. It is liberal minded misguided people who manipulate the who accept that. In the same way that that muslims manipulate biblical interpretations to make the Quran look legitimate.
the 600 jews broke the treaty during wartime. betrayal. backstabbed during hard times when the muslim were surrounded. anyways the judgement didnt come from the prophet. its by 1 of clansman protecting medina who suffered from arrow wound ( if im not mistaken )
And during that period , there is slaves. and one of law of Islam to reduce slaves is, if the slave is pregnant by the owner, she is consider as free and will be considered as wife. aishah was that time a slave.
During prophet Muhammad`s lifetime, the bible was not translated yet so he cant say it was false. i bet if he read the present bible he too will condemn it.
the truth is the bible is condemning itself by saying things like trinity, prophet isa is a god, jehovah etc etc
Aisha at that time was not pregnant. Furthermore, Mohammed in his wisdom should have known that by taking such a young girl for a wife is abnormal and not in keeping with civilised norms even in those days.
she didnt get pregnant so thats how the way it is. arabs in those time were not civilized. they kill their babies just like today`s abortion. they fight among each other. they are pagans.
If mohammed could not say it was false, then please tell me who is saying it is false? and Why?
The Bible is not saying anything about the trinity and Islam has no proof whatsoever that the Bible is false just as Islam has not proof that the Quran is the direct word of God.
the proof is that it is not changed for 1400 years. Muhammad spoke the relevation in arabic so it remains in arabic, and it remained unchanged. there is no different version of quran according to dialects. theres only one relevation of Muhammad and he speak in arabic. word for word. and i dont think he speaks multiple dialects. uthman is one of muhammad`s closest companion didnt destroy part s of quran .The part of quran u said was destroyed doesnt even existed.
Yes it has been changed I can prove that. Also the way it was written certainly was not from God. He is too perfect to have written such an imperfect book
and u claimed yeshua the nonexistant in the revelation of the old testament, is the messiah who reveals the old testament. why random name such as yeshua? why not mr x? mr x want to keep his identity a secret so thats why his name was not mentioned in the revelation.i prefer mr x. sounds more mysterious.
u claimed yeshua the nonexistant in the ...... Again, where did I say that? I am saying Mohammed as spelt M o h a m m e d was never mentioned in in the entire scriptures. never . You know that very well. Why? Because u failed to answer my question on the issue of the Book of Solomon.
i said he is well versed in english, arabic and hebrew language. his english and arabic is impeccable yet he was born in india and lived in south africa. arabic and hebrew is sister languages. dialect. he can read and write english arabic hebrew and u say the guy is not well versed.
To christian plz open your eyes dont say trinity our god is one not three in one or one in three,plz dont say that you will go to hell.after all mr deedat teaching you must change your point of view,these bishops are going to hell and taking you as well,your salavation shit dosent make any sence,thats why most scientest are against bible.
mankind hates the truth. when god send prophets isa(jesus), musa (moses), muhammad and other prophets, the deniers slanders, oppressed, trying to kill them. so i understand where ure hate for deedat is coming from.
Deedat is a liar. Mohammed was an imposter. YESHUA siad himself that he IS (not was) the truth , the way and the life. YESHUA IS alive Mohammed is dead. Mohammed could not offer anything that YESHUA could and did . That, my friend is tthe truth
WoW 2:40!
kelyaum 5 months ago in playlist deedat3
poor jehovah witness...i pity his mind.
afterray 6 months ago
@choctaw48... U go first get the God's name correctly then come talk abt ur faith...
J-Walkers, u have disgraced ur religion.
chikoo20005 8 months ago
You bullied a very meek JW! hahah! If it had been me, I would have devoured you! You have no argument! Come to and debate it with me religious leader!!!! It will not be so easy! And dont forget to call me Sir!
lukejones2007 11 months ago
Oh dear! When truth hits falshood it smashes it into pieces!!! May ALLAH SU guide this JW. May ALLAH SU reward Sheikh Ahmed Deedat in Jannah, AMEEN!
nik3830 1 year ago 4
@nik3830 PLEEEESE!!! Give me a break. I would chew this Sheikh Ahmed Deedat up and spit him out!!
He uses psychological intimidation. He could not use it on me. I would love to have a discussion with this Islamic guy. I am a JW and I know that Islam is not the truth. Just look at the Islamic world with all the turmoil that's going on. If it were exclusively JW's in those regions, then there would be true peace because we worship the TRUE GOD of peace JEHOVAH.
choctaw48 10 months ago
@choctaw48 in the begining t there was only one true god his name is jehovah. jehovahs pple are truly the real messengers that to this day have folllowed jesus teachings. soon this world will be back to jehovhahs goverment rule.no islam isnt the truth,8 million true jehovah witness strong !!!
roseforvendetta 2 months ago
@roseforvendetta There is no J in hebrew and muslims are 1,8billion strong ;)
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an example is the big fool below 'BGfromGB'.you'd be talking about jesus and whether he's the only sinless person in the bible and the bible contradictions,now he's bringing Muhammad into the discussion to save his skin!
he's made an allegation against the holy prophet Muhammad of which he can never defend.but to make it clear to him,Muhammad is sinless and infallible and thats what muslims believe.
rad28586 1 year ago
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please muslim brothers and sisters,dont waste ur time arguing with these programmed machines.u can never have a decent conversation with them.if the conversation is decent,they will always end up losers,that they're! they always try to pull strings in discussions and make inways to divert topics.they have been taught.its not like theyre following their conscience.they dont have one.they have sold that conscience to their watch tower.
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i feel sorry for the poor boy! Hope Allah guide him now.
Sheicki 2 years ago 2
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hahahahahahaha! It is the bully religious leader you should feel sorry for!!!!!
lukejones2007 11 months ago
Amazing video LOL
daeeski 2 years ago
the name yeshua in the quran? lol who are u trying to con? i can read arabic. where? in the quran the messiah aka al masih, the man u refered as jesus christ, in the quran refer as prophet isa al masih. in the quran is prophet isa. not yeshua. yeshua does not exist in the quran. what the hell are u talking about man?
razzims 2 years ago
bgfromgb already said that he is not jewish but he seems very expert at translating hebrew. my advice is find a jewish friend and ask him
razzims 2 years ago
No I'm not expert at reading hebrew. There are tonnes of literature on the internet to help which you muslims refuse point blank to accept.
The reason for this is that all the literature available exposes Islam for the falsehood it is and muslims are too scared read the real truth about YESHUA
BGfromGB 2 years ago
sad to say the word yeshua just didnt exist in the old testament.and thats the important literature for christians.
razzims 2 years ago
Wanna bet on that?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Directly no. Indirectly - yes. and this is confirmed even in the Quran
BTW I retrach my bet as I assumed you meant the name YESHUA to be in the OT. However the MESSIAH is mentioned and we all know who the Messiah is don't we. Even the Quran confirms that.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
the bible is the translated version of the old testament. the old testament never mention the name yeshua. so whats the conclusion here?
razzims 2 years ago
u tell me who is this yeshua? i have no idea who this yeshua guy is. he is non existant in the old testament and the quran.i bet this yeshua is an important person for his name to be left out in the old testament, his own supposed revelation. lol.
youtube search : Muhammed in the bible - Ahmed Deedat 1 of 11
sorry bgfromgb. i dont know just who is this yeshua. do u know who is this yeshua bgfromgb?
razzims 2 years ago
Ahmad Deedat was a false prophet - a wolf in sheep's clothing.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
indeed. ahmad deedat was NEVER a prophet. the last prophet was Muhammad (s.a.w). never did ahmad deedat claim he is a prophet, like jesus claim he is god. of course yeshua was never mentioned in the old testament. true indeed
razzims 2 years ago 2
No. But HIS coming was foretold and that is prophecy. Now show us what Mohammed prophecied.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
just what the hell are u talking about?
razzims 2 years ago
I am talking about the coming of Yeshua. It was prophesied in the scriptures even though his name was not mentioned. Unlike the double standards of islam who also claim that the old testament prophesied the coming of Mo. yet his name was never mentioned. Islam loves to steal the limelight by thinking Islam IS the ONLY religion.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
lol wtf? who prophesied yeshua again? yeshua and mo according to who? i can tell u there is no yeshua and mo in the quran or in the old testament.
in which scriptures again?
so u worship yeshua?. y not sanchez? what does yeshua have that sanchez didnt have?
razzims 2 years ago
I worship Elohim YHWH and him alone. And NO I am NOT Jewish nor am I a christian YESHUA although Jewish was neither a christian nor a muslim. YHWH is religionlerss. Totally.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
What did Mohammed have that Yeshua did not?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
In many places. song of solomon(old testament)
chapter 5 verse 16. his mouth is most sweet: yea is altogether lovely. altogether lovely in the original text is muhhamadim. im is a plural of respect. his name his metioned! if you want more please reply
kamscall 2 years ago
Nonsense. It reads thus. (Original Hebrew translation) 5:16 ChKV MMThQYM VKLV MChMDYM ZH DVDY VZH Ur'yY BNVTh YUrVShLM.
I can provide the Aramaic writings bu unfortunately this website cannot display the heirogliphics. There IS NO mention of Mohammed or even a hint of it. NONE. The word MChmDYM in no way means Mohammed. Nothing like it. You take a word that looks like Mohammed and then you falsely make meaningless assumptions. Dream on my friend
BGfromGB 2 years ago
which bible are you reading from? whats the name? you know what to make sure im going to ask a jew to read his torah and ask him to read this verse. i hope he allows me to record him. if he does ill post it on youtube1.
kamscall 2 years ago
The word of God is not about the right pronouncements of words. It is about the message contained therein. ^Thaqt verse is NOT about Mohammed. Nothing likr it. You know it very well. So why not face the truthot thew message instead of trying to make false doctrine by way of ridiculous pronouncements
BGfromGB 2 years ago
look this is jewish book the best people pronounce it should be a jew! And my friend wtf!"The word of God is not about the right pronouncements of words" what are you talking about? if you get the pronouncements wrong then ur reading it wrong!
kamscall 2 years ago
Jewish Book? What is this "Jewish" Book you speak of?
Reading the "wrong" pronouncements wrong does not change the meaning of the word and Mohammed does NOT fit that wrong/right pronouncement.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
ignorant.. u know that jesus hails from nazareth, so he speak hebrew. he speak jewish not english. there must be a manual of religion that jesus left behind. the bible was suppose to be translation from this original manual. jesus bible is like muhammad`s quran.
razzims 2 years ago
the bible is a jewish book! its their language they should understand it better than most. that was my original point.
kamscall 2 years ago
Which Bible am I reading from? My friend, you tell me since it is only Islam that claims there are different versions
Yes. Do post it on youtube, I.m waiting with bated breath!!!!!
BGfromGB 2 years ago
isaiah chapter 31 verse 12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
so tell me my friend who is this but the prophet of islam?
kamscall 2 years ago
Isaiah Ch 31:12???
Are you talking about the Islamic version?
There is no such verse in the original scriptures!!
BGfromGB 2 years ago
sry my bad Isaiah Ch 29:12. im read king james version
kamscall 2 years ago
What on earth would that verse suggest it is Mohammed? The previous verse shows conclusively it has nothing to do with the prophecy of Mo. ....IS LIKE THE WORDS OF......
Vs 12 Refers to the present tense: READ THIS PLEASE>>>>This has nothing to do with Mo.
Mo did not have the complete written quran during his lifetime. Everything he said was written on leaves & parchment. The Quran was compiled 23 yrs after his death. Some of this was destroyed by Uthman
BGfromGB 2 years ago
BGfromGB. U are really stupid! The perverse verse is a different prophesy! Isaiah Ch 29:11 the person who gets the book in this verse is learned! Verse 12 the person who gets the book is not leraned. If you claim that this prophesy is for a prophet in the bible then show me a prophet in the bible who after getting a book from god says im not learned. I challenge you will not find one!
kamscall 2 years ago
And why are you trying change the subject? By talking about whether or not the prophet had the full quran or not thats a different subject. U Christians all hav the same sickness of changing subjects when you cant answer a question.
kamscall 2 years ago
what question did i not answer?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
stay on the subject! Reufte my comment.
kamscall 2 years ago
I asked you a question about your question which u claim I did not answer.
You now ask me to refute your comment. May I politely aske you again what question u want me to answer and what comment you want me to refute.
IWILL ANSWER, That's a promise
BGfromGB 2 years ago
My original question about Isaiah Ch 29:12 which you tried to answer but I refuted. Ur response was. What on earth would that verse suggest it is Mohammed? The previous verse shows conclusively it has nothing to do with the prophecy of Mo. ....IS LIKE THE WORDS OF......
Vs 12 Refers to the present tense: READ THIS PLEASE>>>>This has nothing to do with Mo.
kamscall 2 years ago
2nd part. Mo did not have the complete written quran during his lifetime. Everything he said was written on leaves & parchment. The Quran was compiled 23 yrs after his death. Some of this was destroyed by Uthman. This has nothing to do with nothing to our current topic, thats what i ment by not my answering question. That statement of yours is also wrong!
kamscall 2 years ago
Yes Mo did NOT have the written Quran during his lifetime. Propve me wrong.
Some parts were destroyed by Uthman. Prove me wrong.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Ur doing it again! I told u to stay on the subject! BUt any how i will answer you. The prophet did have it written down! Not on paper but leaves camel skin..he supervised the order.This took 23 years of his prophetic life. The quran he left was with his wife .
kamscall 2 years ago
Uthman burnt copies of the Quran which had different vowel points! If you knew the history of what happened who you would not make just a stupid comment. The different vowel points were added by new converts. Hafsa(prophets wife) she had the Quran that was left by the prophet. Any quran that did not match they burnt. So as not to create confusion. He was not burning different copies!
kamscall 2 years ago
What is a "vowel point"?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
lol dude even bible(hebrew) has vowel points. Vowel points Indicate how a word shud be prounced and sometimes they change the meaning of the word.
kamscall 2 years ago
Can you provide me with an example of a vowel point from the Bible?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
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kamscall 2 years ago
Dude! are you serious, just watch this vid.
type in "A jew explains" click on first link.
kamscall 2 years ago
Im no computer boffin. What do you mean by first link
BGfromGB 2 years ago
il mail you think link...seeing as u don't undestand my terminology!lol
kamscall 2 years ago
*the link
kamscall 2 years ago
What a lame argument. You know very well that there will always be confusion whether you like it or not. There is so much confusion about scriptures to thius day. No amount of destruction or corruption will help. It fact it will do more harm than good
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Reallly it did not help? Muslims are not confused about whats written and who wrote it, what Umar did was presevation of the quran as prommised by Allah in the quran. I mean its common sense . And as to the video link i sent you, i was not trying to show the name of allah, but in the video he shows you what a vowel point is and its coming from a Jew who is not a a friend mine.
kamscall 2 years ago
Is see from your profile that you live in UK, I live in London. I challenge you to a debate on Islam and Christianity. FACE TO FACE. And it should be recorded. You can have anybody on your side to help you.
kamscall 2 years ago
Thank you fo the offer but decline your on the basis that I do not claim to be a scholar nor do I claim to be a christian.
But what I am prepared to debate is for muslims to produce evidence and proof that the Bible has been tampered with. ie proof that Jesus is the son of God and Islamic blasphemous statements that Jesus is NOT the son of God.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Wether im a good muslim or not i will still claim to be a muslim. If you consider Islamic statments about jesus blasphmeous then you are a Christian! I don't mind debating the topic Is Jesus God, Is Jesus son of God. You Choose.
kamscall 2 years ago
Since the Bible irrefutably proves that Jesus is the son of God and confirmed by the Quran, I am more than happy to discuss that jesus is the son of God
BGfromGB 2 years ago
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kamscall 2 years ago
Quran confirms no such thing
kamscall 2 years ago
Yes it does. Read sura 10:94
In 19:12, Yahya, who lived at the time of Jesus was told "to take hold of the Book, (the Torah)."
Surah 3,48 tells us that Jesus was also taught in the Torah.
Numerous verses, such as Surah 34, Saba, verse 31, Surah 35, Fatir, verse 31, attest to the truth that the Torah was uncorrupted in the time of Muhammad in the sixth century A.D. The Arabic phrase "bain yadaihi" which is used in these references to the Torah literally means "between his hands"
BGfromGB 2 years ago
u said quran confirms jesus as son of god wich it does not. and quran confirming the tora u read those my friend and carefully. one of the qurans purpose is to guard the tora so what eva matches with quran i take as word f god what eva does not i throw it away!
kamscall 2 years ago
when do you want to debate?
kamscall 2 years ago
Well as itr is 1:30 in the morning, I'm ready to go to bed so anytime tomorrow late afternoon will be fine.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
if hes gods son then he is also a god wich means u follow 2 gods
kamscall 2 years ago
"But what I am prepared to debate is for muslims to produce evidence and proof that the Bible has been tampered with." Many many plain and clear contradictions in d Bible. If u dnt believe read it 4 urself. Cotracdiction = inconsistency, the bible is always arguing wiv itself. Also paul the author of many books in d new testament, btw he ws a forma christian bounty hunter, he didnt even knw or meet Jesus or live in his lifetime is ment 2 hav written a major part of d Bible. Many mor proofs
AhmetBarutDesign 2 years ago
Can u show me just 1 inconsistency
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Ok this is just one from thousands, could you tell me the first commandment and tell me what it means. Also listen, some parts from the bible are the Word's of God but the major part isn't. watch the rest of the parts of this very video. Ahmed Deedat mentions quite a few, such as the one in Deuteronomy chapter 25 , where god is merciful to an animal but not to an innocent woman.
AhmetBarutDesign 2 years ago
I have studied Deedat. He's a heretic and false teacher - a wolf in sheep's clothin.
Yes God is one and always be so. Jesus said he is the son of God. T^hat's a fact.u cannot deny otherwise according to Islamic doctrine Jesus is accused of blasphemy just like the Jews did and had him crucified. teh major parts of the bible that are not gods word does not prove it is corrupt or has been tampered with.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
BG- contrary to what you say, Jesus is not blasphemous in Islam- nor was he blasphemous at any point. Next point- even though u say the Jews crucified him, you, as a christian would help the Jew in this venture! because you believe that he must die for you anyway. Its always interesting to ask a christian if he would rescue jesus from the crucifixion,- simply because it causes him to wrestle with his instinct of compassion, and his delusion that Jesus must die for his sins.
Summadat 2 years ago
If there were contradictions in the bible then then there would be no christians
If the Bible is always arguing with itself then there would be no christian scholars.
The mere fact that u bother yourself with Paul proves that the scriptures ARE authentic.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Read this quote from Matthew 7:22/23 - "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." King James Version. Now please tell me what those two verses from your own bible mean to you?
AhmetBarutDesign 2 years ago
Matt 7;22-23
Jesus is referring to false prophecies just like Islam and wants nothing to do with them>. Simple as that.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
d context of d verse is based on Jesus' 2nd comin, n if u notice in 22 Jesus is talkin abt christians tellin him did we not preach in ur name etc. n den Jesus sed in 23 he will den tell dem 2 get out of his site, becoz he never knew dem, d ones who broke the law. Jesus is tellin d Christians in der own book dat dey are practicin in a rong way coz he dosnt recognize u lot, coz he didnt teach what christians r doin today, simple and clear as that. lemme giv u a mor cleara n modern translation
AhmetBarutDesign 2 years ago
Matt 7:22 New Living Translation "On judgment day many will say to me, Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.But I will reply, I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break Gods laws.
AhmetBarutDesign 2 years ago
Jesus is not referin 2 Islam or any other religion. He is referring 2 Christianity, hence y it says prophesied in your name. d only ppl on earth who do anythin in Jesus' name r Christians. And dat is probably d biggest proof of the fact that fings have been added in dat contradict d True Teachings of Jesus nd d proof is coming straight out of Jesus' mouth, sorry but you have 2 luv the irony. I'm not trying to offend u or anyone else i'm just stating the facts of what Jesus says in those verses
AhmetBarutDesign 2 years ago
Wrong jesus was not referring to christiannity.Christianity did not exist in his time ion earth. I did not say jesus referred to Islam or any religion either. There was no religion by name in thos e days. Jesus was referring to false prophets of whom Mohammed was one. when Mohammed lied by saying Jesus is NOT the son of God despite Jesus saying that numerous times in the Bible
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Yes Jesus is referring to All religions. Jesus did not promote ANY religion. If he did, then what religion did he promote? Islam?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Let me remind you of the context Jesus is referring to his 2nd coming, also let me ask you this question. Who do you think Jesus is referring to when he quotes the people who say "On judgment day MANY WILL SAY TO ME, LORD! LORD! (ONLY CHRISTIANS CALL JESUS LORD) We prophesied IN YOUR NAME and cast out demons IN YOUR NAME and performed many miracles IN YOUR NAME."? I think you are totally miss reading it or either reading past it without giving it any logical thought.
AhmetBarutDesign 2 years ago
I don't think u understood the verses. Who calls Jesus 'Lord, Lord'? And who does wonderful works in Jesus name? Certainly not the atheists, nor Hindus, nor Muslims, nor Jews, nor Buddhists. Only the Christian does this. This verse is clearly specific and can only apply to some of the christians or those that follow them.
Summadat 2 years ago
Why do you concern yourself about one single verse. Why don't you as a muslim concern yourself with the real issues such as YESHUA proclaiming himself to be the son of God.. Why don't you concern yourself with the events leading to the events leading to YESHUA's death. Why don't you challeng what the Quran says about the crucifixion especially when there appears to be a coverup as to who was crucified.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Why do you concern yourself with the verse that says he is the son of God- when this title applies to dozens of people in the bible? Why are you not also concerned when he proclaims himself to be the son of man?
For many reasons the bible does not qualify as an authentic document. In addition to having no originals- there are many writings of similar dating that hold contradictory stories- most to all of them are anonymous- including those of the bible.
Summadat 2 years ago
...when nthe title applioes to dozens of people in the Bible. My concern is that according to Islamic logic, it is blasphemy to refer to God as ur father. Yes Jesus is also the son of man What's the problem there.
For many reasons the Bible does Not qualify as an authentic document.
On what grounds can you qualify that the Qurann IS an authentic word of God? Can you provide jusy one single reason that thgat the actual words of Yeshuia in scriptures are NOT authentic?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
U ask the question "Why are you not also concerned when he proclaims himself to be the son of man?"
The simple answer is that no other man has made that claim not even Mohammed.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Well u can't have two fathers. Something must not be literal there. Because the bible says he was born without a father. Obviously, the sonship is spiritual, not literal. You can't be son of God and son of man at the same time- literally. But the 'son' relationship, biblically, has always been spiritual. So what exactly are you claiming?
Why are you ignoring all the other sons of God in the bible?
Summadat 2 years ago
And why are you ignoring the fact that Yeshua by stating he IS the son of God is blapheming. Why are you ignoring the fact that it was God himself who said THIS IS MY SON IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.
Why are byou ignoring the fact that YESHUA IS with HIS FATHER Bin heaven a fact affirmed in Quran.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Did I say that was blasphemy? You simply misunderstand the language. Saying that 'those are cool shoes' is not a reference to temperature. Just as saying 'God's son' is not a reference to genealogy. Because Luke 3:38 also calls Adam the son of God. What makes Jesus' sonship different? Or perhaps this verse will help u:
Genesis 6:2 the SONS of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
There are many sons here...why u talk about only one?
Summadat 2 years ago
No I am not saying that you said it is blasphemy. What i am saying is that according Islamic logic & Quranic teaching anyone, myself included who claims to be the son of God is blaspheming. Personally it does not bother me, but it must bother islam because by definition prophets are sinnless. So is Yeshus blaspheming?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Did I say that was blasphemy?....
Jesus said " I and MY FATHER are ONE" (and other numerous statements)
Wow.!!!!!!!! According Islamic dogma, that must be slander of the worst kind. Not even mortals like me would dare say such a thing.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Well there are many things that Jesus said that were not literal. And ur bible says that he oft spoke in parables. The verse that u claim 'I and My Father are One' was spoken to regular the pharisees. Ur bible says that Jesus never spoke openly except to his disciples and to everyone else he spoke in parables. Hence that verse is a parable, not literal. As u can see, he was speaking of sheep. If u want to claim it all as literal, then perhaps he came as messiah to sheep, not human beings
Summadat 2 years ago
Hence that verse is a parable, not literal.
Parable by definition is a simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson.
So there you have it! Parable? Literal? Same difference. Therefore according to your dogma YESHUA is being blasphemous whether he is speaking literally or in parables.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Also, to reinforce the 'I and my father are one' is not a literal claim, nor claim to deity, consider the following verse, also in your bible.
John 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
So are the disciples also a part of God? Or is this statement not literal? On what grounds do u consider one literal and the other not literal?
Summadat 2 years ago
So are the disciples also a part of God?
No. Read that verse carefully. That they MAY BE one, As you ARE IN me and I IN you. Note again, Jesus is blaspheming whether he is talking in parables or literally.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Read the verse again.
John 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou
If you believe that statement is not literal, then you're applying a double standard.
Summadat 2 years ago
That they MAY be one in US.?
Did Yeshua say they ARE one in us. No he did not. Take note how Yeshua literally said ONE IN US. Again according to your dogma he IS LITERALLY blaspheming!!!The disciples NEVER said they were one in God. Only YESHUA said that
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Or maybe ponder on this:
Jeremiah 31:20 Is not Ephraim my dear son, the child in whom I delight? Though I often speak against him, I still remember him. Therefore my heart yearns for him; I have great compassion for him," declares the LORD
- Why do you leave out all the other references and emphasize one only? Are you now going to refute the verses in the bible? That would be theological suicide.
Summadat 2 years ago
Great news that you mention a verse from Yirmeyahu(Jeremiah) Did you read the prophecy of the entire chapter" ?
Why have i left out all the other references....No sir I don't refute them. I do not decide for myself how I should interprete those verses. Yes I do believe God is my father, but I, a sinner and my Father are NOT one, Only YESHUA makes (take note present tense) makes that claim.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Then u spoke of such claims being blasphemous in Islam? But the bible is not an Islamic document! The contexts are entirely different! Are you aware that there are several quotes attributed to Jesus in the bible that are known to have been falsified or fabricated?
Summadat 2 years ago
Unlike Islam, I accept that the Almighty is my Father to whom I have a personal relationship through prayer.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
So now you're also a son to God...have you forgotten that you just said that Jesus is the son of God? It seems that you now don't think the 'son' is such a unique title. So why did u make a big fuss over it? As for your 'personal relationship'- well there is no way to substantiate that right? Except on the day when we will all be judged.
Summadat 2 years ago
I regard the Almighty as my heavenly father and in the context of your previous Biblical quotes I regard myself the same as all those people u referred to.
But never will I or human mankind will regard ourselves as ONE in God. YESHUA is the ONLY one who makes that claim and that evidence is even backed up in the Quran
BGfromGB 2 years ago
So now that you've disregarded the 'son' as an exclusive claim- in the light that I've presented many verses with the same title for other people, you're using the 'My Father and I are One'. If you consider this statement literal, then you struggle with 'The father is Greater than I'. And to appease the last verse, you have to make up stuff that Jesus never taught- such as the doctrine of the trinity or duality. Even so, I can find tons of other references nullifying any false claim u make.
Summadat 2 years ago
I can find tons of other references nullifying any false claim u make.
Firstly you are a muslim and have an agenda. Yet you stop short of calling Jesus a slanderer/ blasphemer knowing full well that you have no evidence to even suggest that every word that Jesus uttered in the NT is false.
If I personally made the claim the I am the Son of God then I am blaspheming. If I personally told you that I and my creator are one, then I am blaspheming. But not with Jesus. He can say what he wants
BGfromGB 2 years ago
You said:
"But never will I or human mankind will regard ourselves as ONE in God. YESHUA is the ONLY one who makes that claim"
Did you read the prayer in John 17:20 and forward? Apparently the disciples are also ONE in God. Make up your mind what verses of the bible you don't accept, then we can go from there. This is not an 'I win, you lose' conversation. The more you seek to justify something you know is not true, the more obscure the line between truth and falsehood becomes.
Summadat 2 years ago
And regarding the issue of Jesus being the only sinless man, the bible also says Zakariya and his wife Elizabeth were both sinless. So I guess you have no more argument about 'sinless' right?
Summadat 2 years ago
U said "regarding the issue of Jesus being the only sinnless man"
Did I say that? Where? Of course he IS sinnless. That is why he is with his Father as he correctly prophecied. But where is Mohammed? If one reads about him in the hadiths, I doubt very much whether he is indeed in heaven!!!!
BGfromGB 2 years ago
Instead of belaboring the issue, let me ask you:
What is the meaning of the biblical use of 'Father'- when referring to God?
Summadat 2 years ago
God is our creatot. We are his sons and daughters, the brothers and sisters of his Son. We, are made in his image. If we love him, we have a relationship with him.
Why can't islam have a relationship? When you pray to him is that not a relationship? Who is God if you pray to him?
BGfromGB 2 years ago
U said "regarding the issue of Jesus being the only sinless man".
Did I say that? Where? But of course he IS sinless - a perfect man. But WAS Mohammed sinless? Well my friend if one reads about his behavoiur and the deeds he committed, he certainly WAS not perfect. Far from it.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
@BGfromGB Now you said Jesus was sinless. But the bible says that there is none that is sinless. You and your bible give conflicting testimonies. Because the bible does go on to say that Zakariya and his wife Elizabeth were both sinless. Your bible is surely a contradictory book. I wouldn't use it for clarity if I were you.
Summadat 2 years ago
Not saying that you are right about what you think of Mohammed (pbuh), brother or sister? But Mohammed (pbuh) did not ask any single being to pray him but to pray the "ONE AND ONLY GOD" the very god of Abraham, Moses and Jesus (pbut). If Muhammed (pbuh) was coming with something totally different and had different agendas,then why would he preach us to pray the same god of Jesus, Moses and Abraham?Muhammad (pbhu) to whom Islam was revealed was to fix the alterations made to the original ...
Sheicki 2 years ago
...preaching of Moses and Jesus (pbut) what deviated a whole innocent nation to a misguided path. Muhammed (pbuh) never said hate Jesus or Moses (pbut) since they are all prohetes sent by the same god.
Peace
Sheicki 2 years ago 3
You said:
Apparently the disciples are also ONE in God.
Apparently?? That tells me you are making an assumption. Well my friend that assumption is false there is not one verse in scriptures which literally (or in parables?????) say that the desciples are one IN God. But Jesus said it, literally, Read 17:21.
If I knew something were not true then I would not waste my time writing to you.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
U said "You can have anybody on your side to help you"
Thanks but no thanks. I don't need anybody. All i need is my Bible - that's on my side!!!!
BGfromGB 2 years ago
im sorry bgfromgb. yeshua who?
razzims 2 years ago
U said "im sorry bgfromgb. Yeshua who?"
I say the same Yeshua who Mohammed decided to change his name to Isa to brainwash muslims into believing Yeshua/.Jesus is an Arab. Fortunately only fools and Deedat fall for this nonsense.
BGfromGB 2 years ago 2
isor is the common name of jesus in hebrew. Yeshua is the classical meaning of Jesus in hebrew
Amuslimfriend 2 years ago
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razzims 2 years ago
just who is this yeshua according to the old testament?
razzims 2 years ago
U say "just who is this yeshua according to the old testament" Yet again where did I say that.?
U seem to know so much about the old testament, you tell me.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
so now im asking u bgfromgb. why according to u, u said yeshua, the messiah who brings the old testament revelations, did not get his name mentioned in his own revelation? inferiority complex? afraid being reffered to? it is just impossible to say that the old testament is yeshua`s revelation because the name yeshua just doesnt even exist in it . u dont have to be smart or need anyone to tell u this is false. all u need is just pure simple logic aka the brain.
razzims 2 years ago
u said yeshua the messiah who brings...
Did I say that? Where?
the rest of your post makes no sense at all. U are providing some vague opinion for reasons known only to you.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
please consider that jesus christ is not a jewish name. even mary is not a jewish name.
the old testament the hebrew scripture mentioned prophet muhammad by name in song of solomon 5:16. and im confidant that u can find the name isa in the scripture too. (if u can read hebrew)
and the funny thing is yeshua was never mentioned in the old testament. so was this yeshua was made up by someone?
razzims 2 years ago
Jesus not a Jewish name? correct. His name is YESHUA.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
the name yeshua was never mentioned in the old testament. theres muhammad and isa. but yeshua? never existed. can u find the word yeshua in the old testament?
razzims 2 years ago
U said "Yeshua was never mentioned in the Old Old Testament"
You are right for obvious reasonsJesus is of Greek origin, and in actuality derived from the pagan source of Isus .... Instead of the false name Jesus which evidence suggests has pagan origins, I use Messiah's actual Hebrew name,
the name "Jesus" is found nowhere in the Scriptures—it is a translation of the Greek name "Iesous"
BGfromGB 2 years ago
so yeshua and jesus christ was never mentioned in the old testament, but the christian refer prophet Isa by the name jesus christ. we muslim believe everytime the christian mention the name jesus christ they are referring to prophet isa. we muslim believe Musa(moses), Isa (jesus) and Muhammad is all prophet of god, peace upon them. we muslim too believe that prophet Isa will return in his second coming as prophesized in the bible and the quran.
razzims 2 years ago
No you are totally wrong. Isa is the Arabic name for Yeshua. Yeshua was and still is a Jew. Giuseppi Verdi is the name of a famous Italian classical composer. His name translated into English is Joseph Green. Should we English speaking now change his name to suit our language. NO DEFINITELY NOT.
Why then should we disrespect THE MESSIAH by bandying his name to suit our languages. His name is Yeshua/Yahshua as it originally was and always will be.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
but the name yeshua was never mentioned in the old testament. thats why we muslims said that u christian have lost the original scripture from the messiah (regardless his name). we muslim have the quran that have not been changed for 1400 years in its original and pristine form. word for word letter for letter. its a miracle by itself the quran.
razzims 2 years ago
the name Yeshua not mentioned in the OT you said
I say absolute tosh. Who is Islam to decide that due to the fact Yeshua is not mentioned in the OT means that the original got lost? This is truly incredible for muslims to make such a statement.
Parts of the Quran were destroyed by Uthman.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
in quran there are about 25 names of prophet mentioned in there other than Muhammad. in the old testament, im sure there also a few of prophet`s name in there. here is when the logic kicks in. the famous messiah who brings the old testament, didnt even get his name mentioned in his own revelations to man? ashamed by own name? affraid of being refferred to?
there were many prophets and revelations before muhammad and isa but they all got lost except for the last one. muhammad and the quran.
razzims 2 years ago
even mary is not a Jewish name.
Correct again. Her name is Miryam.
the hebrew scripture mentioned prophet Mohammed by name. 5:16
"His mouth is most sweet, & bhe is altogether lovely. This is my beloved& this is my friend, O daughters of Yerushalayim.
Please explain how Muhammed fits into this verse.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
u search the youtube video for : Muhammed in the bible - Ahmed Deedat 1 of 11
razzims 2 years ago
U say "search ....Ahmad Deedat 1/11.
Deedat, who alongside Mohammed as being one of the greatest false prophets, is certainly NOT a scholar of the scriptures. He was like like the rest of you muslims. He was in search of mistakes/corruptions instead of the message contained in scriptures.
What makesyou think Deedat is an authority on the scriptures knowing full well that he never had any academic or theological qualifications to back up any of his false doctrine.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
to Deedat credits, he have conducted bible classes, lectures and debates the world over. He is well versed in english, arabic and hebrew. He is famous in his career in comparative religion
Prophet Muhammad peace upon him is the best example, role model and have the best values compared to any other man. his achievements is delivering the religion of god and uniting the pagan and warlike arab clan during his period.
Yeshua? his name dont even exist in the old testament. does he even exist?
razzims 2 years ago
He is not well versed in Hebrew. That's a fact. He may be world famous but a famous imposter. He is NOT well versed with the Bible., He spent most of his time condemning the Bible which even Mohammed did not. In fact there is not one instance where Mohammed said the Bible was false. Only Deedat and your latter day Imams.
Mohammed is not a role model. He murdered 600 Jews. He was a womaniser and he was so lustful that he did not have the decency to accept that 6 yr old Ayisha not normal
BGfromGB 2 years ago
600 jews who breaks the treaty and sided with the enemy during the war with arab pagans. the 600 jews was suppose to defend medina together, but looking at the arab pagan superior number and medina being surrounded. they betrayed prophet Muhammad.
U guys accept abortions, gay and lesbians which is unnatural, but dont accept marriages and polygamy which is natural. that shows the level of your mentality
razzims 2 years ago
600 JEWS killed for that!!! Wow what a disrespectful prophet.
We accept abortions, gays etc. No sir. U are wrong. It is liberal minded misguided people who manipulate the who accept that. In the same way that that muslims manipulate biblical interpretations to make the Quran look legitimate.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
the 600 jews broke the treaty during wartime. betrayal. backstabbed during hard times when the muslim were surrounded. anyways the judgement didnt come from the prophet. its by 1 of clansman protecting medina who suffered from arrow wound ( if im not mistaken )
razzims 2 years ago
And during that period , there is slaves. and one of law of Islam to reduce slaves is, if the slave is pregnant by the owner, she is consider as free and will be considered as wife. aishah was that time a slave.
During prophet Muhammad`s lifetime, the bible was not translated yet so he cant say it was false. i bet if he read the present bible he too will condemn it.
the truth is the bible is condemning itself by saying things like trinity, prophet isa is a god, jehovah etc etc
razzims 2 years ago
Aisha at that time was not pregnant. Furthermore, Mohammed in his wisdom should have known that by taking such a young girl for a wife is abnormal and not in keeping with civilised norms even in those days.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
she didnt get pregnant so thats how the way it is. arabs in those time were not civilized. they kill their babies just like today`s abortion. they fight among each other. they are pagans.
razzims 2 years ago
If mohammed could not say it was false, then please tell me who is saying it is false? and Why?
The Bible is not saying anything about the trinity and Islam has no proof whatsoever that the Bible is false just as Islam has not proof that the Quran is the direct word of God.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
the proof is that it is not changed for 1400 years. Muhammad spoke the relevation in arabic so it remains in arabic, and it remained unchanged. there is no different version of quran according to dialects. theres only one relevation of Muhammad and he speak in arabic. word for word. and i dont think he speaks multiple dialects. uthman is one of muhammad`s closest companion didnt destroy part s of quran .The part of quran u said was destroyed doesnt even existed.
razzims 2 years ago
Yes it has been changed I can prove that. Also the way it was written certainly was not from God. He is too perfect to have written such an imperfect book
BGfromGB 2 years ago
and u claimed yeshua the nonexistant in the revelation of the old testament, is the messiah who reveals the old testament. why random name such as yeshua? why not mr x? mr x want to keep his identity a secret so thats why his name was not mentioned in the revelation.i prefer mr x. sounds more mysterious.
razzims 2 years ago
u claimed yeshua the nonexistant in the ...... Again, where did I say that? I am saying Mohammed as spelt M o h a m m e d was never mentioned in in the entire scriptures. never . You know that very well. Why? Because u failed to answer my question on the issue of the Book of Solomon.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
i said he is well versed in english, arabic and hebrew language. his english and arabic is impeccable yet he was born in india and lived in south africa. arabic and hebrew is sister languages. dialect. he can read and write english arabic hebrew and u say the guy is not well versed.
can u read or write in hebrew?
razzims 2 years ago
No. Deedat was not well versed in Hebrew. He admitted that.
He's dead now and we cannot ask him to show us.
BGfromGB 2 years ago
To christian plz open your eyes dont say trinity our god is one not three in one or one in three,plz dont say that you will go to hell.after all mr deedat teaching you must change your point of view,these bishops are going to hell and taking you as well,your salavation shit dosent make any sence,thats why most scientest are against bible.
umor88 2 years ago
Deedat is nothing but the greatest of the false prophets
BGfromGB 2 years ago
mankind hates the truth. when god send prophets isa(jesus), musa (moses), muhammad and other prophets, the deniers slanders, oppressed, trying to kill them. so i understand where ure hate for deedat is coming from.
razzims 2 years ago
Deedat is a liar. Mohammed was an imposter. YESHUA siad himself that he IS (not was) the truth , the way and the life. YESHUA IS alive Mohammed is dead. Mohammed could not offer anything that YESHUA could and did . That, my friend is tthe truth
BGfromGB 2 years ago
deedat continuesly points out disrepencies within the bible. every single living things die except for god. even prophets.
razzims 2 years ago