Its still surprise me, how a lot of people are not aware about Kinovelax Diet Plan (just google it), although lots of people get good results because of it. Thanks to my mate who told me about Kinovelax Diet Plan, I have lost a lot of weight with it without starving myself.
This still surprises me, just how some people are not aware about Kinovelax Diet Plan (just google it), although a lot of people get great result because of it. Thanks to my work buddy who told me about Kinovelax Diet Plan, I've lost tons of weight with it without starving myself.
It still surprise me, how a lot of people do not know about Kinovelax Diet Plan (do a search on google), despite the fact that lots of people get great result with it. Thanks to my cousin who told me about Kinovelax Diet Plan, I've lost lots of weight with it without starving myself.
I remember I let the biggest one rip when I was doing squats in my gym.. Everybody stopped and stared at me the entire time. Embarrassment beyond the norm..
my first thought was this looks like a pussy work out but im not gonna lie i struggled to go up the stairs this morning the work out is intense have an open mind and give it a shot
I can't do any leg work because of bad knees, and I can't do bent over rows because of bad lower back. I'll never get big... ever. lol. I can only get that ripped wimp look.
i like the video but there's a few things I found a little off pullovers are for your back and/or chest depending upon how locked your elbows are,lunges are probably better done with dumbbells, control your breathing, wheres the warm ups for your knees? and cardio after legs?
Hey Vince, if you really wanna help people out and clarify your expectations, you should consider making a link to a printout page of all your exercises and reps for each workout day your suggesting.
I really wanna try this out.. can anyone explain me what vince is saying at 3:30-3:45. Am I supose to do 2 more supersets of 20 reps? 20 reps of squats or pulovers or al together total 20 reps.??
just finished day 1 and let me tell you my legs feel very tenderized lol but it feels great. and the workouts are short so as to fill the time frame with high intensity. will continue :) ...time for a cold shower now!!
Can you do those kinds of squats with just dumbells? Because I don't have the bar one. I go to my gym, but they won't let you use the weights on bars without a spotter, which I don't have.
Hey Vince, I ordered your workout early this year.
Just a Suggestion. I hope you can have more side-view shots of your work-outs too, so that we could see the proper execution, because the front-view/back-view shots aren't that detailed (e.g squats, deadlifts etc.)
ive been watching your vids, i have a trainer but most is wat u do aswell but i learnt alot from it, thanks, just gave me a few tips on how to stand and things, and dont listen to the other arssy comments that person put
Sad how these guys destroy their bodies just to get big muscles. I wrote an article about how I went from 150-225 in two years. the link is on my profile. These are the few steps i took to get bulky. Just remember its never too late to start working out again!
i've heard a lot of people doing the superset with squats and pull overs how does this benefit you ? (i'm not questioning your knowledge like some of the idiots on here i'm just curious) love your videos btw
These are called many things: "Squats and Milk" , "Widow-maker squats" , "20 Rep squats" etc. etc. They're not actually done in a superset either. You squat your 10rep max, but instead for 20 reps. taking as much as 15seconds rest between reps past 12/13. It's probably the most mentally challenging routine in existence for bulking, and it works. The pullovers were thought to extend the ribcage + stretch for better squatting, but without real data to prove it.
the more calories you consume the more muscle you'll gain, provided you consume enough protein and carbs. and followed by intensive training, and enough rest.
what good is calories if its the protein that actuallys builds muscle? ofcourse u need the energy from calories to fuel your workout but its really the protein that makes the gains isnt it
@piratelord99 i understand your point, but you need lots of carbs as well as the calories. the thing is, if you're burning more calories than you're consuming, your bodies gonna go into starvation mode and store lots of fats, and you won't make gains from your workouts.
as for the carbs part, i can't really explain it well enough but it's pretty important as well, cos they aid in some glycogen thing and blah blah, but believe me, i went on a low-carb diet and plateau-ed for 3 months.
lol yea i know about that glycogen stuff, but about the calories...do u know if your body starts using the fat or muscle as its first source of energy? if its fat then low calories is good but if its muscle then i guess i need to consume more and workout more
@piratelord99 let's put it this way. you need more calories for more muscle mass gains. let's say you need to consume 3000 calories a day to gain mass, but you consume 5000 calories instead.
so the remaining 2000 calories would become fat in the end. so make sure you eat well, but don't overeat.
@piratelord99 continuing from what i posted earlier, my plateau was not due to not changing my workouts, it really was my low-carb diet that messed it up. after i went back to high/moderate carb intake, i gained some mass again. and naw it's not fats.
so yeah, it's not protein alone bro. i hope vince replies here to at least clarify some stuff.
if it was all protein, i'd drink shakes all day man. hope it clears some stuff. or hopefully vince replies to give a more professional answer.
@piratelord99 yes...but you are not going to get the intensity out of the excercise. you posted that comment 2 months ago so you probably have it figured out by now ha.
hey vince, I'm starting to workout from next week. Any advice. I'm 150lbs and want to gain weight. My arms are not that big and want to increase my body size.
i dont have any olympic weights , only dumbbells that go up to 120 lbs and suspension straps. can you give me 5 good excercises i can do with bodyweight or the equipment i have for different types of squats. thank you.
Well without watching the whole video, it says its an INTRO to bulking. I also can tell from seeing guys doing vinces programs that he DOES know what hes doing. You can sit and argue all ya want. VInce knows his stuff, as does Arnel.
@Nomgendat eating like a horse is not a good idea!!! eat 4-6 small meals a day 30 grams protein 300 callories per meal if ur bodyweight is anywhere from 190-210 pounds (there r charts telling u how much u need depending on your bodywieght) if your eating more than what your body needs you will just get fat!!!!!
@buttfuckbilbo 300 cal that is only 1800 a day that is not nearly enough if you are on a real bulking work out shakes alone are any were from 800 to 1000 or more
@buttfuckbilbo those charts are not for bodybuilders/powerlifters.The more muscle you have the more calories you need to maintain it.I had a test done that showed i burned 2000 calories a day just setting around.protein is 1-1and a half grams per lb of body weight and double in carbs if your bulking....
There has been one studie to show that ketosis prevents muscle growth or cause muscle loss!
Ketosis is often the result of low carb dieting and is simply a fat burning stage. Eat little carbs, the right ones at the right times and be sure to get your caloric surplus. Eat lots of protein and increase your fat intake a lil and you will see lean gains. Obne of the biggest myths is that you have to bulk then cut. BUT YOU CAN cut while bulking!!!
@Nomgendat actually, to put on size in your legs (especially quads) it is often good to do more reps and less weight. This is because the muscle group is so big that it needs 15-20 reps to incorperate all muscles in the group. This will give you good seperation and size in the quads. You will not feel the burn as well if you train heavy with low reps.
Do ypu really believe that their is a magic number when it comes to muscle hypertrophy? And its doesnt matter if you push and pull. It has to do with how much muscle mass you breakdown and build up.
It was just an opinion know it all. Did you know bulking is about 80% diet and all about compounds? I really dont see much point in isolations and super sets in bulking.
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LOL thanks for a good laugh XD
Did you know that 100% of bulking is a calorie surplus? Bulking means to GAIN weight Einstein.
Its personal what reps and excercises will make you grow. Its nothing magic with compound movements. As long as you breakdown as much muscle tissue when you are excercising it doesnt matter.
@Nihlstorp so your saying that '100% of bulking is a calorie surplus' so what your saying is there is no need to even train
just have a calorie surplus and you have an effective bulk. Because as you said its completely about calorie surplus.
Its about 80% diet and 20% training ( Yes you actually have to train :0 ) I understand now that you know nothing and i will no longer continue to bother with you.
Wow, you must do a lot of studying on the subject. Remember, its better to stay quiet and let the poeple assume you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Your body PREFERS qualatative feedback VS quantitative feedback but quantative feedback i.e. numbers give you a good starting point and aid as TOOLS to get the correct quality out of your workout.
every one to take it as a personal attack on you or your knowledge.
And sure there is not only one way to bulk and this proberly is effective as any. But again I was just trying to learn from you by telling you another bulking option.
Oh and if you want proof that these routines work i can send that too you
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Its still surprise me, how a lot of people are not aware about Kinovelax Diet Plan (just google it), although lots of people get good results because of it. Thanks to my mate who told me about Kinovelax Diet Plan, I have lost a lot of weight with it without starving myself.
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This still surprises me, just how some people are not aware about Kinovelax Diet Plan (just google it), although a lot of people get great result because of it. Thanks to my work buddy who told me about Kinovelax Diet Plan, I've lost tons of weight with it without starving myself.
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It still surprise me, how a lot of people do not know about Kinovelax Diet Plan (do a search on google), despite the fact that lots of people get great result with it. Thanks to my cousin who told me about Kinovelax Diet Plan, I've lost lots of weight with it without starving myself.
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lol12344177 10 months ago
I remember I let the biggest one rip when I was doing squats in my gym.. Everybody stopped and stared at me the entire time. Embarrassment beyond the norm..
GoodFellax21 1 year ago
my first thought was this looks like a pussy work out but im not gonna lie i struggled to go up the stairs this morning the work out is intense have an open mind and give it a shot
Dirtriderxr250 1 year ago
all I needed was that 11 seconds of music and I'm ready to hit the gym right now. anyone know the song????
grit93 1 year ago
Single leg ahh... Single leg ahh.. *looks at paper* Single leg squat
FAILLL
Pozzo9109 1 year ago
where is your belt
levir1979 1 year ago
you need to bulk up more before you do videos
KWACKLERG 1 year ago
Compound lifts, clean diet, lots of sleep, no alcohol, and take in a lot of protein consistently....... thats how you get big!
Nickolasmb 1 year ago
now that i've seen his calfes i can't take him seriously
benson1888 1 year ago 3
how come some say you need to do 8 reps to bulk up, and some say 12 reps, and you say 20?
cyberdel 1 year ago
@cyberdel, because there is no proof any where that any specific
reps in crease muscle so whatever reps someone prefers is what they'll
say works, he probably said 20 cause he watched some utube videos and
was like i can do this. lol, hes not even big enough to give advice
KWACKLERG 1 year ago
When i do lunges i feel it in the leg that is ment for balance i think, the one that goes behind you, and i feel it the back of it, Is that wrong?
killer66667 1 year ago
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dude you're skinny why are you telling people how to bulk
owwwdaddy 1 year ago
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owwwdaddy 1 year ago
I can't do any leg work because of bad knees, and I can't do bent over rows because of bad lower back. I'll never get big... ever. lol. I can only get that ripped wimp look.
slappingbelly 1 year ago
boring,,
i wouldnt do pullovers for legs lol sorry mate but that aint a bulking trainging session
carbs and push heavy weight bulk u not even gonna bother watching anymore of ur vids mate
CZEKD 1 year ago
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Great videos, very informative...
For the IDIOTS, here would be a good starting point:
en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Muscle
And remember folks refrain from "bodybuilding" and "fitness" material containing basic high school 101 knowledge.
Google scholar is your best friend.
imahavedat 1 year ago
his body ant shit wy is he on here
phantasm2000ad 1 year ago
i like the video but there's a few things I found a little off pullovers are for your back and/or chest depending upon how locked your elbows are,lunges are probably better done with dumbbells, control your breathing, wheres the warm ups for your knees? and cardio after legs?
itsashorething 1 year ago
lol........... that aint a bulkin program
riggybow 1 year ago
hey vince is this a 4 day straight program then 3 days recovery? If you could get back to me would really appreciate it, cheers brother!
jjnoodless 1 year ago
Hey Vince, if you really wanna help people out and clarify your expectations, you should consider making a link to a printout page of all your exercises and reps for each workout day your suggesting.
Warren2TheG 1 year ago
This video is.......
wuzupify 1 year ago
the picture of this video wenn its on the right ist from one croatian bodybuilder Jadran Damjanovic- hes a beast
klicek12klicek1 1 year ago
I really wanna try this out.. can anyone explain me what vince is saying at 3:30-3:45. Am I supose to do 2 more supersets of 20 reps? 20 reps of squats or pulovers or al together total 20 reps.??
KaraManiya 1 year ago
your not strong at all.
MicahGill 1 year ago
what do the pull overs workout?
wildabeest4 1 year ago
wheres day 2 of this workout ?
jjjggg35 2 years ago
just finished day 1 and let me tell you my legs feel very tenderized lol but it feels great. and the workouts are short so as to fill the time frame with high intensity. will continue :) ...time for a cold shower now!!
outofnowhere 2 years ago
Can you do those kinds of squats with just dumbells? Because I don't have the bar one. I go to my gym, but they won't let you use the weights on bars without a spotter, which I don't have.
Sillyjake86 2 years ago
tnk you so much vince
samathalev 2 years ago
Your before and after photos are quite funny Vince.
izmael44 2 years ago
ya those one legged squats are hard man.lol
mrbelt5150 2 years ago
Hey Vince, I ordered your workout early this year.
Just a Suggestion. I hope you can have more side-view shots of your work-outs too, so that we could see the proper execution, because the front-view/back-view shots aren't that detailed (e.g squats, deadlifts etc.)
thanks! and God bless you more
fabyan17 2 years ago
can you do dumbbell lunges ?
ako541 2 years ago
I don't have a ceiling low enough to hit my head on, can I still get results?
Yayaya...I kid. Awesome vids Vince, you and Hayward have the best stuff.
Jakeblood240 2 years ago
what's the rep ranges?
dda030582 2 years ago
wheres the 4th workout? wtf u gotta wait a mnth 4 u 2 put up all the videos b4 we can try it?
dda030582 2 years ago
is she a retard???
JEGERKLOG2 2 years ago
ive been watching your vids, i have a trainer but most is wat u do aswell but i learnt alot from it, thanks, just gave me a few tips on how to stand and things, and dont listen to the other arssy comments that person put
feeblefiles 2 years ago
can you do forced reps on the last set
lufal78 2 years ago
How can I add some muscle mass to my calves
jdog4usmc 2 years ago
is the day 2 video out yet :)?
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Sad how these guys destroy their bodies just to get big muscles. I wrote an article about how I went from 150-225 in two years. the link is on my profile. These are the few steps i took to get bulky. Just remember its never too late to start working out again!
GetJackedFast 2 years ago
HEY VINCE: Do a video with you doing a Full on workout.
Perhaps the second video for this series?
consciousinsane 2 years ago
i've heard a lot of people doing the superset with squats and pull overs how does this benefit you ? (i'm not questioning your knowledge like some of the idiots on here i'm just curious) love your videos btw
ako541 2 years ago
These are called many things: "Squats and Milk" , "Widow-maker squats" , "20 Rep squats" etc. etc. They're not actually done in a superset either. You squat your 10rep max, but instead for 20 reps. taking as much as 15seconds rest between reps past 12/13. It's probably the most mentally challenging routine in existence for bulking, and it works. The pullovers were thought to extend the ribcage + stretch for better squatting, but without real data to prove it.
celconicuzn 2 years ago
i see, thanks mate, i knew it had opens up your rib cage didn't know it would help for with squatting thankyou !!
ako541 2 years ago
Good videos whens the next one comming out
apw1994 2 years ago
does more muscle really mean more calories/fat burned??
piratelord99 2 years ago 2
the more calories you consume the more muscle you'll gain, provided you consume enough protein and carbs. and followed by intensive training, and enough rest.
babyboy0704502 2 years ago
what good is calories if its the protein that actuallys builds muscle? ofcourse u need the energy from calories to fuel your workout but its really the protein that makes the gains isnt it
piratelord99 2 years ago
@piratelord99 i understand your point, but you need lots of carbs as well as the calories. the thing is, if you're burning more calories than you're consuming, your bodies gonna go into starvation mode and store lots of fats, and you won't make gains from your workouts.
as for the carbs part, i can't really explain it well enough but it's pretty important as well, cos they aid in some glycogen thing and blah blah, but believe me, i went on a low-carb diet and plateau-ed for 3 months.
babyboy0704502 2 years ago
lol yea i know about that glycogen stuff, but about the calories...do u know if your body starts using the fat or muscle as its first source of energy? if its fat then low calories is good but if its muscle then i guess i need to consume more and workout more
piratelord99 2 years ago
@piratelord99 let's put it this way. you need more calories for more muscle mass gains. let's say you need to consume 3000 calories a day to gain mass, but you consume 5000 calories instead.
so the remaining 2000 calories would become fat in the end. so make sure you eat well, but don't overeat.
babyboy0704502 2 years ago
@piratelord99 continuing from what i posted earlier, my plateau was not due to not changing my workouts, it really was my low-carb diet that messed it up. after i went back to high/moderate carb intake, i gained some mass again. and naw it's not fats.
so yeah, it's not protein alone bro. i hope vince replies here to at least clarify some stuff.
if it was all protein, i'd drink shakes all day man. hope it clears some stuff. or hopefully vince replies to give a more professional answer.
babyboy0704502 2 years ago
ya but if you need the protein after you workout
2pawd 2 years ago
@piratelord99 yes...but you are not going to get the intensity out of the excercise. you posted that comment 2 months ago so you probably have it figured out by now ha.
GaryK425 2 years ago
hey vince, I'm starting to workout from next week. Any advice. I'm 150lbs and want to gain weight. My arms are not that big and want to increase my body size.
singh28100 1 year ago
i dont have any olympic weights , only dumbbells that go up to 120 lbs and suspension straps. can you give me 5 good excercises i can do with bodyweight or the equipment i have for different types of squats. thank you.
lilwopaho 2 years ago
when you're saying heavy as possible do you mean as much weight as my body can take while still being able to do 20reps?
moo15 2 years ago 2
yea dude. but u want it to be really difficult those last two or three reps
8u77355 2 years ago
Well without watching the whole video, it says its an INTRO to bulking. I also can tell from seeing guys doing vinces programs that he DOES know what hes doing. You can sit and argue all ya want. VInce knows his stuff, as does Arnel.
chubbymedic1 2 years ago
100% right . respect from Italy for u
St3v3hk 2 years ago 3
Where is Day 2 Vince?
Nihlstorp 2 years ago
This is not for bulking! Heavy weights is what you need!!! ANd a lot of food...
Nomgendat 2 years ago
agreed
DeathPunchx 2 years ago
Have you tried it yet? Learn from DOING... not TELLING for TALKING about it.
VinceDelMonte 2 years ago
It seems to me that is more of a cardiovascular workout. To "bulk" you need to do three things:
train like a beast(with heavy weights)
eat like a horse and
sleep like a baby!
Nomgendat 2 years ago 35
@Nomgendat eating like a horse is not a good idea!!! eat 4-6 small meals a day 30 grams protein 300 callories per meal if ur bodyweight is anywhere from 190-210 pounds (there r charts telling u how much u need depending on your bodywieght) if your eating more than what your body needs you will just get fat!!!!!
buttfuckbilbo 1 year ago
@buttfuckbilbo 300 cal that is only 1800 a day that is not nearly enough if you are on a real bulking work out shakes alone are any were from 800 to 1000 or more
jared1821 1 year ago
@jared1821 go ahead get fat, i dont care...
buttfuckbilbo 1 year ago
@buttfuckbilbo those charts are not for bodybuilders/powerlifters.The more muscle you have the more calories you need to maintain it.I had a test done that showed i burned 2000 calories a day just setting around.protein is 1-1and a half grams per lb of body weight and double in carbs if your bulking....
fknthng 11 months ago
@fknthng
you do not need carbs to build muscle!!!!!
There has been one studie to show that ketosis prevents muscle growth or cause muscle loss!
Ketosis is often the result of low carb dieting and is simply a fat burning stage. Eat little carbs, the right ones at the right times and be sure to get your caloric surplus. Eat lots of protein and increase your fat intake a lil and you will see lean gains. Obne of the biggest myths is that you have to bulk then cut. BUT YOU CAN cut while bulking!!!
1ReaZon 11 months ago
@Nomgendat actually, to put on size in your legs (especially quads) it is often good to do more reps and less weight. This is because the muscle group is so big that it needs 15-20 reps to incorperate all muscles in the group. This will give you good seperation and size in the quads. You will not feel the burn as well if you train heavy with low reps.
danielleece 11 months ago
Im not sure about this. Personally i think 4x5 push, pull, legs all compounds would be better for bulking. Just my opinion.
If you disagree just give me a reply
DeathPunchx 2 years ago
Do ypu really believe that their is a magic number when it comes to muscle hypertrophy? And its doesnt matter if you push and pull. It has to do with how much muscle mass you breakdown and build up.
Geez
Nihlstorp 2 years ago
It was just an opinion know it all. Did you know bulking is about 80% diet and all about compounds? I really dont see much point in isolations and super sets in bulking.
DeathPunchx 2 years ago
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LOL thanks for a good laugh XD
Did you know that 100% of bulking is a calorie surplus? Bulking means to GAIN weight Einstein.
Its personal what reps and excercises will make you grow. Its nothing magic with compound movements. As long as you breakdown as much muscle tissue when you are excercising it doesnt matter.
Do it right the next time!
Nihlstorp 2 years ago
@Nihlstorp so your saying that '100% of bulking is a calorie surplus' so what your saying is there is no need to even train
just have a calorie surplus and you have an effective bulk. Because as you said its completely about calorie surplus.
Its about 80% diet and 20% training ( Yes you actually have to train :0 ) I understand now that you know nothing and i will no longer continue to bother with you.
DeathPunchx 2 years ago
FUCK OFF
htaehxela 2 years ago
Wow, you must do a lot of studying on the subject. Remember, its better to stay quiet and let the poeple assume you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
heyitsryanb 2 years ago
Heyitsryanb.... POSITIVE energy bro.
There is enough negativity in the world. Bring into someone else's home please.
Lets focus on strokes, not pokes. Like that one?
VinceDelMonte 2 years ago 7
You're right.
And I trust that you are right about your training. All positive from here on out...
heyitsryanb 2 years ago
Your body PREFERS qualatative feedback VS quantitative feedback but quantative feedback i.e. numbers give you a good starting point and aid as TOOLS to get the correct quality out of your workout.
make sense?
VinceDelMonte 2 years ago 3
Opinions are useless unless they are backed up with proof.
VinceDelMonte 2 years ago
Vince I was just giving my opinion.
So I could learn from it. There was no need for
every one to take it as a personal attack on you or your knowledge.
And sure there is not only one way to bulk and this proberly is effective as any. But again I was just trying to learn from you by telling you another bulking option.
Oh and if you want proof that these routines work i can send that too you
DeathPunchx 2 years ago
thanks Vince
crazymallu 2 years ago
the guy in vid dont look like the guy in the preview pic
and he never will until he takes it
hahah welcome to the big guys world
nikonxxx 2 years ago
step one insert steroid into muscle and inject
nikonxxx 2 years ago
That's for whimps
sebastal 2 years ago
cool vince......i want to do this program.....but i only have one year working out.....
caleboma 2 years ago
Functional training rules!!!! bosu balls stability balls is the way to train!!! lol
collin355 2 years ago
yea i think some nutrition advice would be of great help!
miles4693 2 years ago
me thinks your buddy lee hayward might have a good video to help those calves there vince :)
the more muscle you train the more anabolic hormones youll get in your system...so dont slack on them
disregard this if you just simply a calve hardgainer :|
mattyoung92 2 years ago 2
I give up on my calves... i'm considering 10K surgery on them... LOL Just kidding. but not really. ha
VinceDelMonte 2 years ago 5
@VinceDelMonte can u help me make a meal plan that is the only thing im worrying about
kurdman12345678 7 months ago
great vid lots of useful stuff
MrGangstar3600 2 years ago
this guys soo tall
heedongchae 2 years ago
what are you talking about no hes not..
bigchris3121 2 years ago
tyhanks man
Moopse101 2 years ago
What about nutrition?
GrEaTeSt786 2 years ago
I would guess a 500 calorie surplus.
Vince plz post some info about the programm and the nutrition!
Nihlstorp 2 years ago
thanks for the video vince
nice one:)
sirglenn2k 2 years ago
Vince, how long does this programe last? And how many calories surplus?
Nihlstorp 2 years ago 2
Upload day 2 Vince. You are 1 day late with this video so you owe us that video!
Nihlstorp 2 years ago
been checking youtube all day for you to upload this
conor128128 2 years ago
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vince you're a fag but a good teacher
zxmar09 2 years ago
so dont watch bitch!
DONNYBOYY28 2 years ago 2
Youre the ugly fucker
GrEaTeSt786 2 years ago
He is a good teacher!!
ParkLeeNa 2 years ago 2
Yeah baby!
Nihlstorp 2 years ago
nice vid
pompyro92 2 years ago