Trash Powered Honda - DIY - www.gekgasifier.com

[JoaoTheBR]

COOL! but not in my car..

[ArcadeGames]

How many rotten bananas to the mile?

[wiibart]

Back to the future

[shattdbb]

Looks like something that rolled off a steam boat. Ever hear of an electric car? Lol

[jamespondy0]

How long till you get the flux capacitor working??

[contentlocked99]

i wanna mount one on my truck but im sure id just fuck it up... maybe when i get some extra cash ill buy a junker and convert it into a gasifier, compressed gas pellets or hemp chips or something idk i just hate spending money on petrol. this gives me hope lol

[surelyujest71]

It looks pretty good. However... the WWII vehicles that had on, or in-vehicle wood/charcoal gasifiers had units small enough that they could be easily seen over/around. Some mounted to the front bumper, sticking out a couple extra feet. Some to the rear. and some even mounted inside the rear trunk, or "bonnet." VW made some that fit into the front storage, making the gasifier unit nearly invisible.

Why don't we ever see any gasifier units being made that really would fit a trunk, now?

[felderup]

@surelyujest71 yah, i've been wondering that myself, part of the reason(maybe) is the downdraft gassifier technique is more efficient, but takes more space. i'm thinking, that most are not confident that completely removing the fuel tank, and putting a gassifier in its place would be wise, to have the ability to go back to gas when there's no wood available... my idea would be to replace the gas tank of a truck with a gassifier, and put the fuel hopper in the bed side, invisible installation.

[tnphysics]

@surelyujest71 I suspect that those vehicles had less powerful engines that needed less fuel.

[MatthewBanchero]

Great Scott!!  It's a Mr. Fusion!!

[mike19822058]

That is badass I'm keeping my eyes peeled for you guys around town.

[desmonddarosa]

So this honda runs on itself?

[royalbrainwave]

In Europe they already had this when fuel was scarce during WWII.

[christo930]

I don't know where you are, but if you were in my area (philadelphia, pa usa), you would be pulled over, ticketed, your care taken from you and probably get tazed besides.

[318Captain]

@christo930 why?

[christo930]

@318Captain Because police think they are the judge, jury and executioner. They would say that it is dangerous and not fit for the road etc and if you try explaining why they are wrong, you will get arrested for "disorderly conduct" a catch-all law that makes nearly any action or inaction a crime. Anything short of instant and total compliance is "resisting" and you get tazed. I watched a 16 YO kid get tazed for not moving fast enough in front of hundreds of people.

[318Captain]

@christo930 Glad i live in the backwoods on NC than.

[ElectricConversions]

Watch the movie Gasland and you might not be into CNG anymore if you knew how they get it. Like drinking clean water?

Ok. Next, check out the EnergyFreedomCenter . Org and find the list by state of the electricity breakdown for your state. I'm in NJ. 55% of our power comes from Nuclear, 33% for CNG and only 5 or 8% from coal. Conversely the oil state in the US that uses Oil for Electricity productions is Hawaii.

[1nhman]

MaurizioM89 is talking about compressed natural gas. 31% of the cars in Italy run on CNG. We need more availability of CNG in the United States, we have nearly unlimited supply here in this country.

[Coolkat6666666666]

can anyone give me the site where you got the pans for the gennerator

[drshiz]

"roads???...eh..where we're going we don't need roads"

[imfungis]

"Honey, wer're out of gas."

"Oh, that's fine, just pull over and I'll throw some trash from the side of the road into our 'Magical gas maker...thingy!' :D"

[akinma]

Google for "puukaasusivu wood gas page" to see Finnish wood gas driven car. Also google for "ekoautoilijat kalustoesittely" to see more wood gas driven cars and wood gas systems from Finland.

[gamehero77]

haha! Mr. Fusion in real life!! :DDD

[mangokillah92]

GREAT SCOTT

[aaronactive]

Omg Mr Fusion!

[klone138]

Yes, this is in my neighborhood. West Oakland!!!

[RocketMaker10000]

I prefer Electricity as the alternative source. See my conversion to Electric by clicking on my name. You can see how I converted my car to run on Electrical power. Plug it in at night and wake up with a full tank in the morning. No noise, nothing burning and just plain FUN to drive.

[brob1969]

@RocketMaker10000 electric conversion is great, but what are you using to charge the batteries? The gasification process produces power from renewable sources.

[ElectricConversions]

@brob1969 Rocketmaker here (google account got messed up and I can't log in anymore to that account).

I charge straight from my house....will get solar at some point but rather keep from polluting with my gas cars and keeping my dependence on foreign oil to a minimum.

[brob1969]

@ElectricConversions where is your grid power coming from? More than 50% here in the US is from coal fired power plants. The gasification process is easy to convert to electricity through a gas turbine or IC generator and it sequesters far more carbon than is released.

[locouk]

So whats the MPB* fuel stats on this? *Miles Per Bin

[cryero]

nice bucketrover

[ohiovr]

I congratulate you on your successful demonstration! Have you thought about experimenting with syngas to ethanol or diesel machines?

[carlube79]

This doesent use trash? make something that could use household garbage.

[canamm]

Some redneck has been watching "Back to the Future"

Seriously though, this is the kind of transportation I want to create.

[METALIST1989]

too late, it's been created by some redneck who's been watching "Back to the future"

[smartlasertech]

hey

[spaceman022]

thats pretty cool

[fcommmisso]

this is some back to the futures junk !

[WulfBand]

You need a bigger gage on that :)

[madscientist032]

I saw the title and my mind immediately jumped to Back to the Future. I love it.

[renewablegossip]

Is the wood gas any better or worse than pump gas for the engine?

Will an engine run on this form of gas for 100,000 miles without doing damage to the internal parts?

Has anyone done any long term test on such a system?

How often would you have to tear it apart and clean it if you used it on a daily basis?

[KapteinOpel]

During ww2, these woodgas generators were much used due to lack of fuel. They had to be cleaned daily and there was generally much hassle with it. Truck drivers and service personnel at the time was said to be constantly carbonmonoxide-poisoned, so badly that they often fainted and even died of an extra dosage, for example when running an engine indoors. So this is an emergency solution. Id also think that the woodgas contains soot, and thus is pretty harsh on the engine..

[MaurizioM89]

The gas produced by the combustion of wood not only has a lot of CO that is poisonus but is even extremely corrosive because is Hydrogen and destroy the engine after a long time you use it. Is good for crisis time and for studing the woodgasification but non the best thing to do on a new car ;)

[CHRISMENENDEZ]

Congratulations, hopefully cars will run on trash and fly by 2015. I wish they could also travel in time, but I guess that's just asking way too much... hehe

"Back to The Future II", that movie really accurately predicted a lot of stuff, didn't it?

[MaurizioM89]

eheh i'm pleased about this :) in italy is common make cars goes with methane or GPL (liquid propane), is not very good in a car with little engine, like 1.4L or below, because little engine have bad compression ratio, a big engine (2.0 or above) is better because make better compression. Your project goes well because of that i think. My car is an old Renault Clio and on steep hill goes very slow and somentimes the filter valve pop :)

[zo1dberg]

Methane, hey?

Wow, that's very interesting. We use LPG in Australia as well, you see it used a lot in large cars (family sedans etc) with 6 cylinder 3.5 litre engines or higher, and a lot of taxis.  You almost never see in 4 cylinder cars though.

[MaurizioM89]

wow, i never expected that! Here in italy car with 3.5L engine (with 5 or more cylinder) are not common, are very expensive but the best for Methane (like large Mercedes or Bmw). Instead normal people use hatchback with small engine from 1.2 to 1.8L and are not the best, they are slow but you can make a lot of km with low cost (like 10€/16AUD$ for 300km). Other problem is the weight, like 100kg for an implant and only 500km of maximum autonomy.

[zo1dberg]

Yeah, all of Europe is like that. I visited family in Greece last year and they think that a 1.8l motor is big. In Aus, 1.8l is small. For a family sedan, 3 - 4 litre motors are common. We're kind of like the US in that respect - cars are larger because petrol is cheaper ($AUD110 - $120/litre)

Biggest problem with installing LPG is the tank - it takes up far too much boot space. Power isn't usually a problem because they only normally get installed on large cars anyway.

[zo1dberg]

Sorry, that's cents, not dollars -

AUD110 - 120 cents per litre, so 67 - 73 euro cents per litre.

[MaurizioM89]

well in italy methane cannot be produced for autotraction, so i (we, because the methane implant for car is common) must use methane from petroleum, in germany they use methane produced from cows. i said about the steel lung because here methane is used at high pressure, then the pressure is reduced in the lung an then go into the carburator. in your case is not necessary, because the gasificator make the fuel in a good pressure. (sorry for my bad english :)

[allpowerlabs]

Thanks for the explanation. I'm not as familiar with Methane usage in cars. It is not a common practice in the US. It is wonderful to learn more about its usage in Europe. (And please don't worry about your English. You'll have to forgive me for my lack of Italian :)

[GeorgeVeld]

@allpowerlabs we do use methane in Canada but our producer's call it by a different name Natural gas

[benjymf97200]

@MaurizioM89

Hi, that's not methane but mostly CO and H2 with a litle amount of methane.

[MaurizioM89]

it has the same sound of my car, but mine go with methane. Have you used a "steel lung" for making the pressure of the biomass fuel or it goes without any pressure?

[allpowerlabs]

There is no compression of the gas. How do you produce your Methane?

[mk0frosty]

flux capacitor* pardon :D

[allpowerlabs]

But of course! Power from Trash first, then time travel :)

[LeonRFpoa]

@mk0frosty hahaha

[mk0frosty]

flux generator? xD

[sirl2000]

hey thats san pablo and then broadway!!

[allpowerlabs]

you're right. our shop is just down the road.

[NTComputer86]

so does it use a regular engine, and the trash is converted into combustible fuel?

[allpowerlabs]

Yes this is an unmodified Combustion engine. The fuel is made through the process of Gasification. The reactor is in the trunk. This is not new science over 2 million cars were converted to run on fuel made via gasification during WWII.

[RCFLYER83]

Would a turbocharger be viable for this setup? I would think power gains could be large.

[jdupnrth]

So Cool! I found your vid by looking up "car gasification systems" on google after reading about Dave Nichols this morning. Very inspiring. Keep up the good work!

[allpowerlabs]

Thanks for looking at our work. Seeing Dave Nichols in the news is very inspiring. He will be competing in an alternative energy road rally that we host in October. The Escape From Berkeley (by any non-petroleum means necessary) event.

[mcz1987]

like a 100 years ago,

Can this could be more compact, to put it in the car, example American minibus- 3.3 automatic transmission, and small wood gazifier inside of 2 passengers places, or under the engine hood...

How hot is gazifier ?

[spikeslawson]

I believe carbon monoxide would fill the passenger compartment if you put it inside the car.

[mcz1987]

that could be deadly !

under engine hood isn't much place, than only on car roof !

i heard 2 kg dry wood = 1 kg gasoline ?!

[allpowerlabs]

The biomass is processed out side of the car and the syngas is in an enclosed system. No CO is created in the passenger compartment. That being said the process of gasification does produce CO, so be very careful if you are exploring gasification. Small Scale Gasification is still being explored. We are trying to push it forth at ALL Power Labs via an open source experimental kit, the GEK, which is used in the trunk of the Honda.

[sciencectn]

Is biomass fuel cheaper than gasoline?

[allpowerlabs]

Yes much cheaper. Equivalent biomass fuel can be mere pennies, but as of now not completely practical for the consumer market. We are working on that!

[allpowerlabs]

Some silly (juvenile) comments have been removed from this video. Your comments had absolutely nothing to do with the content of our video. Please take your interweb fighting else where and don't continue to take up bandwidth with inappropriate comments on our videos. We are passionate about alternative energy not about boyish name calling. Thank you for respecting our wishes.

[Khal337]

Haha, I love you guys

[Khal337]

Lol, intarweb fightan.

The back of that car reminded me of the Mr. Fusion from Back to the Future

[allpowerlabs]

You got it.  We are absolutely referencing Back to the Future. We are still working on the flying bit :)

[identityz3ro]

Sweet! It's like the Delorean without the cocaine.

Either way, biomass isn't going to save the world. Think of the world as an empty olympic sized swimming pool, and everyones peeing in it, 1 less person peeing isn't gonna slow it down for long. Requires a total bottom up revamp of what were doing and everyone is still concerned about money and oil.

[allpowerlabs]

Here we see it another way, the good old glass half full scenario. One person is more than none, and one person absolutely can make a difference. And we will never know if we don't stop pissing into the "olympic sized swimming pool" of oil. We are starting and encouraging a conversation about non-petroleum sources of fuel. To decentralize power production and democratize the process. No, we don't have THE solution, but we are part of it. Are you?

[Bigjohnnywad]

Not very practical-Bad for the enviroment

[allpowerlabs]

Actually you are incorrect. This process is equivalent to a Prius in CO2 Output. But unlike a Prius which still uses petroleum (subterranean carbon) this car uses surface carbon. Using surface carbon aka Biomass creates a closed loop cycle, which helps fix the Global Warming problem. This is good for the environment. Learn more about gasification and it will help with your misconceptions.

[Bigjohnnywad]

Not practical-

[allpowerlabs]

Not practical, in the current prototype form, I agree. But this is a unique vehicle it is for proving technology and educating the public about biomass energy. We have not put this forth as a practical solution in its current form. Innovation is never shiny and neat at the beginning. It is messy and not practical. We see Biomass energy as one of MANY solutions to our energy problems, so therefore we are innovating and pushing the science forward.

[Bigjohnnywad]

As an inventor like yourself I wish you all the luck and your hard work will show I am sure. But to the masses this would not be practical...

[allpowerlabs]

In its current form no, but maybe someday it will. With computer control and further engineering exploration, this might be very practical for certain areas around the globe. And not just on cars, but as a power source. Especially for those that have an over abundance of biomass waste and and under-abundance of other power resources. We are no longer in a centralized power world, we must think out of the box.

[mcz1987]

How fast can yo drive with wood gas honda, looks fast ?!

[allpowerlabs]

The Honda can go Hwy speeds 55-65mph. Our Friend Wayne, from Alabama, who has an amazingly modified Dodge Dakota Truck can go 90mph!

[mcz1987]

That is nice- in city !

If this wood gas unit could be smaller, located in car, and easier to clean, its could be possible to drive it daily !

Anyway- nice project !

[Tagarashi]

WOOD CHIP POWER!!!

[allpowerlabs]

We love biomass energy too! We just had a great visit from Globo TV from Brazil. They did a great story on us and a few other people in California who are doing trash to fuel endeavors.

[SaintSkyler]

You guys are a bunch of bad asses!

[danz409]

wow. that is realy nice O.O if i were to make 1 suggestion... it would be.. why didn't you use a delorion! ... oh. wait.. don't answer that... rare.. expensive.. but would be worth it for the final product :D

[allpowerlabs]

Don't worry we are looking at buying a Delorean :) We just thought we should do this on a free car first and figure out the details before hacking apart a Delorean :). Thanks for enjoying our work.

[KRAZZYMF]

I wish you all the luck in the world! it's about time people start doing things to get around the oil high jackers from around the world! I have seen were this methed was used back in the depression and just disapeared don't know why?

[allpowerlabs]

The answer is sort of simple once people started making money again the process of running the car like this was quite an ordeal without automation, so buying gas became more attractive again. During WWII about a million vehicles in Europe, mainly Germany, were converted to run on syngas. Korean taxis used this process until the 70's.

[MaurizioM89]

even in japan during WWII taxis goes on woodgas and Coal, but cars were so underpowered that on hills passenger had to get off and push!

[shodanxx]

does it still need some gas ?

would it work with fuel injection ?

I read this gas can be compressed at 15 psi safely, , how much mileage would you get if you filled a 30 gallon tank at 15 psi with syngas from this generator ?

[kalielae]

Awesome! Wouldn't it be more efficient to keep the gasifier at home and just fill up there? You could have a single gasifier run multiple vehicles that way and have less chance for problems on the road.

[kakukakusikazika0]

凄い

薪ガス自動車と同じような原理だろうか

[capridrifter]

I'm sure you could use any combustible waste not just wood and charcoal. Sorry if my Japanese is rusty I'm using an English to Japanese translator.私は可燃性無駄の公正ではない木および木­炭を使用できることをことを確かめる。 私の日本人が錆ついていれば私残念英語から日本語の訳者を使用し­ている。