? Hitler was a confirmed atheist? Really, then why does he consider himself a christian in Mein Komf? Why did he try to eliminate the jews for what "they" did to jesus? Why is Bill O'reilly so illiterate?
Morality came from evolution, we were able to survive because we worked together. And calling athiests mass-murders is just like calling religious folk rapist pedofiles because of their priests!
David Koresh massacre was a born again Christian who was responsible for approximately 76 killed in Waco, Texas. Jim Jones was a Christian responsible for a total of 909 Temple members who died in Jonestown,Guyana. Adolf Hitler was a Catholic who murdered millions of Jews (They are quotes invoking God and pics of Hitler very much involved with the church in Germany) Timmothy McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic. During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly. 168 people killed.
David Koresh massacre was a born again Christian who was responsible for approximately 76 killed in Waco, Texas. Jim Jones was a Christian responsible for a total of 909 Temple members who died in Jonestown,Guyana. Adolf Hitler was a Catholic who murdered millions of Jews (They are quotes invoking God and pics of Hitler very much involved with the church in Germany) Timmothy McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic. During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly. 168 people killed.
Of course they were evil fucked up men, but they didnt kill in the name of atheism! Hi im Stalin and i'm killing because there is no god, hahah retards!
Stalin attended the Tiflis Theological Seminary in Georgia, and his family were all devout Orthodox Christians, which was also one of the systems used in the control of the population of the USSR, borrowing from the credulity intrinsically woven into society, that their former Tsars were not only God's representatives on earth, but in fact a living God themselves. Was sceptical atheism really the problem with Soviet style socialism? or was it the greed of the fallible masters?
Yeah....Hitler was not an atheist. Read Mein Kampf. I'll quote just one direct part, on page 65 "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
uhh.......Wasn't there that one thing that the catholics did when they killed a bunch of people...THE CRUSADES! What about the serial killers that killed "IN THE NAME OF GOD!"
O'reilly forgets about all the religious extremists that go around killing in the name of god; he is a complete bag of wind who has an agenda to promote... religious conservatism.. nothing else! My opinion is that religion is not needed in order for someone to have a moral foundation, if they are taught properly that being a moral person is to the benefit of society and hence to them as well... religion works on the boogie man principle where if you aren't good..monsters will come for you later.
bill o'rielly has NO absolutely no idea what he is talking about. letting his personal beliefs get in the way of rationality might make for good ratings with his dim-witted viewers, but he's damaging the progress of the human race. fuck him.
What about Bundy? I mean, it takes some balls to kill someone face to face and then have sex with their dead body.. having your loyal subjects annihilate them for you --while also a horrific crime -- doesn't take nearly as much balls.
Hitler was not confirmed atheist , he was raised catholic and never gave up his belief. You can check out some of his speeches where he always use much talk about god. His whole idea was that he was given the assignment from god, to remove the jews from earths surface. Just look at the german soldiers beltbuckles saying "Got mit uns" meaning, god is with us.
ill top it off with this-"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery...."-hitler
"The religion fabricated by Paul of Tarsus, which was later called Christianity, is nothing but the Communism of to-day. "
When Hitler criticized Christianity, he appears to have meant Pauline Christianity. He repeated this several times. He spoke very admiringly of Jesus, who he saw as an anti-Semitic crusader.
I do concede that it is probably not possible to simply cast him as Christian. But it is equally impossible to claim he was not religious. He still mentions God, and claims to be doing God's work repeatedly.
george carlin talks about god repeatedly and hes not religous-this conversation just got stupid-just do your reasearch and then we can talk cause you are insanely in denial-and this isnt important-why are we debating this
main point-my point is doesnt matter what belief you have-if its irrational and you have power things arent going to be good-ive gaven you qoutes of hitler saying he is sickened by christianity-and both him and george carlin have said shitty stuff about the traditional beliefs-im not comparing them-i love george-fuck hitler-hitler has said that killing jews and nazism is gods work-i guess thats religous?-but thats not what i had in mind-i just dont want to keep talking when your in strong denial
its not a big deal of hitler wasnt religous-i just gave you like five qoutes of hitler saying how negative he thought of christianity-he spoke of god in the name of nazism-your telling me he wasnt christian-or catholic and you keep telling me well if hes not catholic then hes christian at the least-then you say well if hes not christian he is at least religous-if your refering to religous as nazism then we agree
I dropped the Christian bit long ago. It is debatable. After surveying some of his writing myself, including the sources of your quotes, I have concluded that you can pretty much find evidence of anything you want. He seemed to say all kinds of shit. However, he was certainly a theist. That is what I mean by religious. He believed in some sort of being called god, at the very least.
its debateable if hitlers christian?-i dont know what else to tell you-ive gavin you so much proof and still a no-we both agree that he believed in a higher power-but he thought god wanted people to be nazis-it comes down to this hitler had irrational beliefs and fucked up a lot of people for no reason-he was religous by thinking he was doing gods work-we agree on that-is this coming to an end-your the only person ive came in contact with that debated hitler being a christian
That is likely because you haven't discussed it for long. It is a very common area of contention, and the relation between Hitler and the Catholic church, as well as the indisputable Christian platform in Nazism have always been areas of discussion. AND YOU STILL HAVE NO PUNCTUATION!
A few quotes which can be countered by other quotes is not proof. I have concluded that any theological position may find support in Hitler's words. As I said, he seems to have written and said all sorts of shit.
I can't really prove he was a Christian conclusively. Are you reading my posts at all? Anyway, he SAID it a lot, but he also said other shit. He said all kinds of contradictory shit, so it's hard to tell. The Nazi party did include Christianity into it's doctrine, and made moves to establish a state sponsored German church.
Example:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter."
Also, you get thumbs down for not using FUCKING PUNCTUATION! It makes my fucking BRAIN HURT! I told you about that shit. A fucking hyphen is NOT a period! ASSHAT!
and if your not convinced-"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity...."-hitler
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."-hitler
To say that people can't have moral without having faith in the bible and god is offending and a disgrace.
But they also reveals themselvs don't you think? By saying "hey, without my religion I would have no moral at all, I would go around robbing raping and killing..."
most people are like oh hitler wasnt religious-that leaves them thinking bad guy guess that means religion is good-for one hitler didnt personally eliminate people himself-he had a lot of foot soilders most of whom were confirmed christains-and they pushed people into the ovens-people shouldnt get hung up on the word religion-the bottom line is if people think or act rational or not-nazism was a religion based on fictional purposes-anything that is irrational and in charge doesnt end up good.
Whatever. Point is, he was religious, and he adhered to some version of Christianity. He spoke of Jesus and God in speeches, in his writings, in interviews, and his personal views have related in writing by close friends of his. He was a Christian, at the very least.
Catholics ARE Christians. And um, no. He specifically opposed turning Nazism into a religion, though many other Nazis supported a German mysticism based around the party. He was a Christian. He stated it emphatically on many occasions.
if catholics are christians than how is he a christian at the least?-nazism to me is religion without gods-your racist(a belief)and you show obedience to a leader-so in a way nazism is a religion-or at least in my opinion-this is in line with the view of the 'German Christians' of Christ as a 'warrior'-This is completely out of step with Christian teachings-Hitler and his movement proclaimed that 'might is right'-I don't see any case for regarding him as having espoused Christian beliefs.
Even if he was not a Catholic, he was at LEAST some kind of Christian. It doesn't fucking matter whether he followed your interpretation of what Christianity is, most Christians don't follow each other's interpretation either. Christians have been playing this no true scotsman games for centuries. He said he was a Christian. Often. He based his whole world-view around his religious convictions. He was a Christian.
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... "-hitler
Well put, good sir. You have referenced a concept that needs to be better understood by more people so that they can use it to examine their own thought processes. Thank you for bringing it up and applying it so well here.
Hitler was a theist in his practices and his speech, he was a part of a cult. Bill is lying his ass off to appeal to his viewers and he knows it. I can name a hundred famous Christian & theist murderers & those who actually were influenced by their Christianity & theism, & I can name a bunch of famous heros & good people who were Atheist or Agnostic.
woah ur quote is 3 months old .... but FYI .... Hitler's speeches went both ways..... sometimes he said he was Christian.... sometimes he bashed Christianity.... ppl debate over what he rly was
Yes, and there is one chart, wich i would like to show, if i remeber where i saw it. Anyway, that chart shows how much people were killed by god and how much by devil in old testament. Devil is faaaar behind from god. Very far...
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Hitler was NOT a Christian. He may have been Catholic or whatever, but that does NOT make you a Christian. Going to church or being a member of a church does not make you a Christian by no means. It is obvious that Hitler was not saved. People always go around saying Hitler was a Christian when it is obvious he wasn't. He didn't live by hardley any of the Ten Commandments, and though we are NOT saved by works, our works do SHOW that we are saved to others.
"xXAkridXx", it's not just my view, it is the Holy Word of God's view. In case, you don't know of that term, let me put it into simpler language, it is the Bible's view.
No it's your view. The very definition of Catholic is "whole body of Christians". They differ in opinion as to what it means to be a christian, but it's subjective. In any case it doesn't matter all religions are bull shit anyway. Personally I was raised a baptist and I would have agreed with you then, only as an atheist do I see that these religions are just strains of the same virus.
"xXAkridXx", I didn't say I was Catholic. There are some views in Catholicism that I don't believe are right. I am Southern Baptist, and I don't believe anything but the Holy Word of God.
In the first interview, he said the 4 people were bad because of the morals their religion gave, which he argued was atheism. (Although we know Hitler was Christian.)
In the 2nd one, he said it relies on the individual to shape the morals, not the religion.
No Worries Mitchies....Some people are dim when it comes to logical thought and discerning between contradictive statements. Anyway, you can't present facts, or different points of view to a believer, even if the evidence shows their book to be incorrect and full of contradictions.
this video is stupid, those aren't conflicting comments, he just links mass murderers to atheism and says they didn't have any morality, and he also says individuals practicing religion may or may not have a sense of morality
yes, i can think he said all sorts of shit if i think, maybe he's a reptilian and he is spouting reptlian ideas, maybe you should dig deeper and open your eyes and wake up.
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in the first clip he says those guys are atheists and have no morals, in the second clip he says that morals depend on the individual. there is no contradiction. he says there are bad atheists and bad religious people. its not a contradiction.
But he superimposes lack of morals on all atheists. He says "You are atheist, therefore you have no morals." and he uses Stalin etc. as examples.
In the second clip, he goes to the individual level. Religiosity is good, therefore something else, something individually determined, must make the person immoral.
The contradiction is that the same thing, immorality, can be both group-determined and individually determined depending on what the group is.
Clip 1--Bill: 'moral foundation' requires religion—i.e. a faith in the 'spiritual' foundations of moral law. Clip 2—Harris: Religion is bad 'repository' for ethical intuitions (EI). A secular, non-religious worldview can use EI. Religion+EI=Bad.
Bill's reply: 'depends on the person.' Blame religious perversion on theologians and practitioners but not religion. Religion+EI=Good. There's no self-contradition. The two issues are sufficiently distinct.
Bill is saying that Stalin and Pol Pot are evil because of their ideology. He believes atheism has been a bane to human civilization. He deliberately is pointing out that it is because of their atheism that they are bad people. When Harris shoots the same argument back, saying religion makes people bad, Bill says it depends on the person. If that is the case, then it wouldn't matter that Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists, it should just depend on who they are.
1. Bill says religion is necessary for being good but it is not sufficient. You can be bad and religious, 'depends on the person.' 2. Bill thinks you cannot be a good if you're an atheist. Atheism is not necessary for being bad (remember bad religious people), but it is sufficient ('there ain't no good athiests!').
I think you're reading Bill to have implied atheism is necessary for evil, which means "only athiests can be evil."
Bill thinks religion is a ticket to a good, moral life. But just because you got the ticket doesn't mean you're going to use it for what its meant to be used for. You could tear it up, or eat the ticket. Its up to the ticket holder. But, if you're non-relgious, you don't have a ticket, so you dont have a shot at the good life anyway and you can't live it up with all the religious people who use their ticket correctly.
I'm not saying I agree with Bill. I just don't he's self-contradictory.
You guys are confusing evidence with theory- in clip one he is merely giving evidence for his opinion or theory he is not proving it- in the seconed part he says that it is the individual that is at fault not the religion- In the first part he is countering Dawkin's claim that religion is evil- in the seconed part he is defending religion- Bill likes religion- this is not a startling fact!
If he says a persons actions are simply a result of who they are and not what belief system they follow, then he is making a hypocritical claim that Stalin was an atheist and murdered large amounts of people. According to Bill, the fact that Stalin was an atheist shouldn't matter, yet he says it does.
if a person claims to talk to god we call him a nut. if that person has one hundred followers, we call it a cult. if eventually the number reaches millions, we can it a religion. but it all starts with a nut.
another thing... I agree with Dawkins that Atheists in history who have done horrible things were not driven by atheism. Religious people do things in the name of God. Atheists are viewed by people of faith as "bad" people because without God's laws they are evil but I know quite a few of them and they're mostly good-hearted, caring, intellectual type people.
He is obviously not religious if you ask me...regardless if he says he is or not. This is a guy who asks people to come on his show knowing where they stand on issues and then acts surprised when they state them and then puts words in people's mouths with his strange way of questioning. Oh and occasionally just says "shut up" or cuts the mic.I think he's arrogant, rude and very non-professional
I will say this, it seems to me that O'Reilly treated both men respectfully. If he is a boob, may he is paid to act like one. Or maybe he's paid to act the "sensible, docile" version of Rush Limbaugh.
These interviews take place on different dates, it's possible that Bill could've simply, changed his mind on what he said in the earlier interview with Dawkins, hardly worth noting.
You're correct, but when debating an issue it is important to retain consistency. I have that suspicious hunch that Bill would be inconsistent again if these two topics were to come up. That's why I ask, "which is it?"
Its called doublethink, a common characteristics of religion (i.e. old testament wrathful god vs. new testament loving, forgiving god). You can justify anything based on a dualistic moral code, but in this instance it is just a person who believes in religion not wanting to be on the 'wrong end' of the argument.
Truly. If Hitler had been able to take Europe and rule it, he would made himself the new Holy Roman Emporer, King of the Catholics and partner to the Pope.
Mein Kampf ^
TeamJeaneus 2 months ago
? Hitler was a confirmed atheist? Really, then why does he consider himself a christian in Mein Komf? Why did he try to eliminate the jews for what "they" did to jesus? Why is Bill O'reilly so illiterate?
TeamJeaneus 2 months ago
Morality came from evolution, we were able to survive because we worked together. And calling athiests mass-murders is just like calling religious folk rapist pedofiles because of their priests!
Typho0n86 3 months ago
David Koresh massacre was a born again Christian who was responsible for approximately 76 killed in Waco, Texas. Jim Jones was a Christian responsible for a total of 909 Temple members who died in Jonestown,Guyana. Adolf Hitler was a Catholic who murdered millions of Jews (They are quotes invoking God and pics of Hitler very much involved with the church in Germany) Timmothy McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic. During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly. 168 people killed.
creamone 4 months ago
David Koresh massacre was a born again Christian who was responsible for approximately 76 killed in Waco, Texas. Jim Jones was a Christian responsible for a total of 909 Temple members who died in Jonestown,Guyana. Adolf Hitler was a Catholic who murdered millions of Jews (They are quotes invoking God and pics of Hitler very much involved with the church in Germany) Timmothy McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic. During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly. 168 people killed.
creamone 4 months ago
Hitler is a fucking catholic god damn it
splicedenergy 5 months ago
hahaha, brilliant video.
trashbash2001 7 months ago
Of course they were evil fucked up men, but they didnt kill in the name of atheism! Hi im Stalin and i'm killing because there is no god, hahah retards!
robvelor 10 months ago
Stalin attended the Tiflis Theological Seminary in Georgia, and his family were all devout Orthodox Christians, which was also one of the systems used in the control of the population of the USSR, borrowing from the credulity intrinsically woven into society, that their former Tsars were not only God's representatives on earth, but in fact a living God themselves. Was sceptical atheism really the problem with Soviet style socialism? or was it the greed of the fallible masters?
RonnieJamesable 10 months ago
Hitler was a Roman Catholic, and this Bill O'Reilly is a retard.
Aphywel 10 months ago
Yeah....Hitler was not an atheist. Read Mein Kampf. I'll quote just one direct part, on page 65 "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
RiahRosee 1 year ago 2
uhh.......Wasn't there that one thing that the catholics did when they killed a bunch of people...THE CRUSADES! What about the serial killers that killed "IN THE NAME OF GOD!"
MrFuckfaceable99 1 year ago
O'reilly forgets about all the religious extremists that go around killing in the name of god; he is a complete bag of wind who has an agenda to promote... religious conservatism.. nothing else! My opinion is that religion is not needed in order for someone to have a moral foundation, if they are taught properly that being a moral person is to the benefit of society and hence to them as well... religion works on the boogie man principle where if you aren't good..monsters will come for you later.
Shad0wfiendXIII 1 year ago
bill o'rielly has NO absolutely no idea what he is talking about. letting his personal beliefs get in the way of rationality might make for good ratings with his dim-witted viewers, but he's damaging the progress of the human race. fuck him.
aguteempasil 1 year ago
What about Bundy? I mean, it takes some balls to kill someone face to face and then have sex with their dead body.. having your loyal subjects annihilate them for you --while also a horrific crime -- doesn't take nearly as much balls.
viiiccckkkiiii 1 year ago
Hitler was a Catholic, he believed that he was basically the next coming of christ. Insane S.O.B.
TKDCats312 2 years ago
Hitler was not confirmed atheist , he was raised catholic and never gave up his belief. You can check out some of his speeches where he always use much talk about god. His whole idea was that he was given the assignment from god, to remove the jews from earths surface. Just look at the german soldiers beltbuckles saying "Got mit uns" meaning, god is with us.
Ackebooa 2 years ago 28
ill top it off with this-"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery...."-hitler
IamAsi94 2 years ago
"The religion fabricated by Paul of Tarsus, which was later called Christianity, is nothing but the Communism of to-day. "
When Hitler criticized Christianity, he appears to have meant Pauline Christianity. He repeated this several times. He spoke very admiringly of Jesus, who he saw as an anti-Semitic crusader.
ctvwr 2 years ago 2
I do concede that it is probably not possible to simply cast him as Christian. But it is equally impossible to claim he was not religious. He still mentions God, and claims to be doing God's work repeatedly.
ctvwr 2 years ago 2
george carlin talks about god repeatedly and hes not religous-this conversation just got stupid-just do your reasearch and then we can talk cause you are insanely in denial-and this isnt important-why are we debating this
IamAsi94 2 years ago
George Carlin does not claim to be in the service of God. That is a really shitty comparison.
I conceded your main point. Don't get testy.
ctvwr 2 years ago
main point-my point is doesnt matter what belief you have-if its irrational and you have power things arent going to be good-ive gaven you qoutes of hitler saying he is sickened by christianity-and both him and george carlin have said shitty stuff about the traditional beliefs-im not comparing them-i love george-fuck hitler-hitler has said that killing jews and nazism is gods work-i guess thats religous?-but thats not what i had in mind-i just dont want to keep talking when your in strong denial
IamAsi94 2 years ago
Punctuation please. That shit is difficult to read.
I'm in denial of what? I conceded your main point, asshat.
ctvwr 2 years ago
its not a big deal of hitler wasnt religous-i just gave you like five qoutes of hitler saying how negative he thought of christianity-he spoke of god in the name of nazism-your telling me he wasnt christian-or catholic and you keep telling me well if hes not catholic then hes christian at the least-then you say well if hes not christian he is at least religous-if your refering to religous as nazism then we agree
IamAsi94 2 years ago
Are you even reading my posts?
I dropped the Christian bit long ago. It is debatable. After surveying some of his writing myself, including the sources of your quotes, I have concluded that you can pretty much find evidence of anything you want. He seemed to say all kinds of shit. However, he was certainly a theist. That is what I mean by religious. He believed in some sort of being called god, at the very least.
ctvwr 2 years ago
its debateable if hitlers christian?-i dont know what else to tell you-ive gavin you so much proof and still a no-we both agree that he believed in a higher power-but he thought god wanted people to be nazis-it comes down to this hitler had irrational beliefs and fucked up a lot of people for no reason-he was religous by thinking he was doing gods work-we agree on that-is this coming to an end-your the only person ive came in contact with that debated hitler being a christian
IamAsi94 2 years ago
That is likely because you haven't discussed it for long. It is a very common area of contention, and the relation between Hitler and the Catholic church, as well as the indisputable Christian platform in Nazism have always been areas of discussion. AND YOU STILL HAVE NO PUNCTUATION!
A few quotes which can be countered by other quotes is not proof. I have concluded that any theological position may find support in Hitler's words. As I said, he seems to have written and said all sorts of shit.
ctvwr 2 years ago
well can you give me proof that he was a christian so i could see where your coming from-and the punctuation is staying give it a rest
IamAsi94 2 years ago
I can't really prove he was a Christian conclusively. Are you reading my posts at all? Anyway, he SAID it a lot, but he also said other shit. He said all kinds of contradictory shit, so it's hard to tell. The Nazi party did include Christianity into it's doctrine, and made moves to establish a state sponsored German church.
Example:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter."
Munich on 12 April 1922
ctvwr 2 years ago
Also, you get thumbs down for not using FUCKING PUNCTUATION! It makes my fucking BRAIN HURT! I told you about that shit. A fucking hyphen is NOT a period! ASSHAT!
ctvwr 2 years ago
and if your not convinced-"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity...."-hitler
IamAsi94 2 years ago
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."-hitler
IamAsi94 2 years ago
To say that people can't have moral without having faith in the bible and god is offending and a disgrace.
But they also reveals themselvs don't you think? By saying "hey, without my religion I would have no moral at all, I would go around robbing raping and killing..."
LOLLYPOPPE 2 years ago
most people are like oh hitler wasnt religious-that leaves them thinking bad guy guess that means religion is good-for one hitler didnt personally eliminate people himself-he had a lot of foot soilders most of whom were confirmed christains-and they pushed people into the ovens-people shouldnt get hung up on the word religion-the bottom line is if people think or act rational or not-nazism was a religion based on fictional purposes-anything that is irrational and in charge doesnt end up good.
IamAsi94 2 years ago
Hitler was Catholic, and Catholicism was part of Nazi ideology.
ctvwr 2 years ago
catholicism is not the ideology for nazism-hitler was raised catholic but did not practice catholicism-he turned it into nazism
IamAsi94 2 years ago
Whatever. Point is, he was religious, and he adhered to some version of Christianity. He spoke of Jesus and God in speeches, in his writings, in interviews, and his personal views have related in writing by close friends of his. He was a Christian, at the very least.
ctvwr 2 years ago
so what is it is he catholic or christian?-he was not religous that was the point-"We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and Holy Water,
The Church can go hang for all we care,
The Swastika brings salvation on Earth."-hitler-is that what you meant?-and why is this important
IamAsi94 2 years ago
Catholics ARE Christians. And um, no. He specifically opposed turning Nazism into a religion, though many other Nazis supported a German mysticism based around the party. He was a Christian. He stated it emphatically on many occasions.
ctvwr 2 years ago
if catholics are christians than how is he a christian at the least?-nazism to me is religion without gods-your racist(a belief)and you show obedience to a leader-so in a way nazism is a religion-or at least in my opinion-this is in line with the view of the 'German Christians' of Christ as a 'warrior'-This is completely out of step with Christian teachings-Hitler and his movement proclaimed that 'might is right'-I don't see any case for regarding him as having espoused Christian beliefs.
IamAsi94 2 years ago
*facepalm*
Even if he was not a Catholic, he was at LEAST some kind of Christian. It doesn't fucking matter whether he followed your interpretation of what Christianity is, most Christians don't follow each other's interpretation either. Christians have been playing this no true scotsman games for centuries. He said he was a Christian. Often. He based his whole world-view around his religious convictions. He was a Christian.
ctvwr 2 years ago
well what is your interpretation of christianity
IamAsi94 2 years ago
It doesn't matter.
ctvwr 2 years ago
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... "-hitler
IamAsi94 2 years ago
Bill O'reilly is a complete moron and has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.
Religion is a plague on this earth.
ReggieWinsor 2 years ago 42
The worst part is... It can't be cured!
rawwqq 2 years ago 4
But it can be cut out with an axe
Sqirril 2 years ago
hahaha INDEED
ibreakkidslegs 2 years ago
I think I love you.
JJGMTS 2 years ago
Cognitive Dissonance at it's best.
Sloth7d 2 years ago 6
Well put, good sir. You have referenced a concept that needs to be better understood by more people so that they can use it to examine their own thought processes. Thank you for bringing it up and applying it so well here.
Pseudobadger 2 years ago
People like Bill O'faggot is exactly why
us non religious folk don't respect religion.
Kavard 3 years ago
Hitler was a theist in his practices and his speech, he was a part of a cult. Bill is lying his ass off to appeal to his viewers and he knows it. I can name a hundred famous Christian & theist murderers & those who actually were influenced by their Christianity & theism, & I can name a bunch of famous heros & good people who were Atheist or Agnostic.
kiwisunshine5233 3 years ago 2
woah ur quote is 3 months old .... but FYI .... Hitler's speeches went both ways..... sometimes he said he was Christian.... sometimes he bashed Christianity.... ppl debate over what he rly was
underdog92z 3 years ago
Hitler is NOTHING compared to the God of the Old Testament.
Freakshow985 3 years ago 2
True
xXAkridXx 3 years ago
Bill forgot his God has killed more then any one person -ever-
Freakshow985 3 years ago 3
Yes, and there is one chart, wich i would like to show, if i remeber where i saw it. Anyway, that chart shows how much people were killed by god and how much by devil in old testament. Devil is faaaar behind from god. Very far...
ricardas83 3 years ago 3
Life is too short and I am too old, to waste my time explaining my perception of Bell O'Reilly.
Since you appear to have the time, maybe you can explain why you think I'm wrong.
PowerAndPerception 3 years ago
Can I just say, Boards of Canada rocks ^^
megamarsvin 3 years ago
O'Reilly himself is immoral.
PowerAndPerception 3 years ago 2
"PowerAndPerception", how is O'Reilly immoral? Can you explain this opinion of yours, please?
cadborasaurus 3 years ago
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Hitler was NOT a Christian. He may have been Catholic or whatever, but that does NOT make you a Christian. Going to church or being a member of a church does not make you a Christian by no means. It is obvious that Hitler was not saved. People always go around saying Hitler was a Christian when it is obvious he wasn't. He didn't live by hardley any of the Ten Commandments, and though we are NOT saved by works, our works do SHOW that we are saved to others.
cadborasaurus 3 years ago
That is your view.
xXAkridXx 3 years ago
"xXAkridXx", it's not just my view, it is the Holy Word of God's view. In case, you don't know of that term, let me put it into simpler language, it is the Bible's view.
cadborasaurus 3 years ago
No it's your view. The very definition of Catholic is "whole body of Christians". They differ in opinion as to what it means to be a christian, but it's subjective. In any case it doesn't matter all religions are bull shit anyway. Personally I was raised a baptist and I would have agreed with you then, only as an atheist do I see that these religions are just strains of the same virus.
xXAkridXx 3 years ago
"xXAkridXx", I didn't say I was Catholic. There are some views in Catholicism that I don't believe are right. I am Southern Baptist, and I don't believe anything but the Holy Word of God.
cadborasaurus 3 years ago
I never said you were Catholic. I simply said that Catholics are a type of christian.
xXAkridXx 3 years ago
so you don't listen to the bible right?
KittenSponge 3 years ago 2
Nobody of us lives after the ten commandments! That is what I think!
Bundesnetzagent 3 years ago
How was he inconsistent on them? I didn't see it?
cadborasaurus 3 years ago
In the first interview, he said the 4 people were bad because of the morals their religion gave, which he argued was atheism. (Although we know Hitler was Christian.)
In the 2nd one, he said it relies on the individual to shape the morals, not the religion.
Pawn2King4 3 years ago
No Worries Mitchies....Some people are dim when it comes to logical thought and discerning between contradictive statements. Anyway, you can't present facts, or different points of view to a believer, even if the evidence shows their book to be incorrect and full of contradictions.
Sorthious 3 years ago
So atheists lack morals and religious nuts sometimes lack morals. Weird. Basically only people O'Reilly likes have morals.
CircleLimit4 3 years ago 3
this video is stupid, those aren't conflicting comments, he just links mass murderers to atheism and says they didn't have any morality, and he also says individuals practicing religion may or may not have a sense of morality
alanaldasucks 3 years ago
C'mon now, dig a little deeper. Find the conflict in his thought process. I know you can do it.
themitchies 3 years ago
yes, i can think he said all sorts of shit if i think, maybe he's a reptilian and he is spouting reptlian ideas, maybe you should dig deeper and open your eyes and wake up.
alanaldasucks 3 years ago
david icke is right
themitchies 3 years ago
no he isn't
alanaldasucks 3 years ago
alanaldasucks
In the first clip, he says atheism made Stalin etc. immoral, basically saying atheists don't have morals.
In the second clip, he says morals are individual, not group determined like he said in the first clip.
atheism wins
mad27 3 years ago
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in the first clip he says those guys are atheists and have no morals, in the second clip he says that morals depend on the individual. there is no contradiction. he says there are bad atheists and bad religious people. its not a contradiction.
alanaldasucks 3 years ago
But he superimposes lack of morals on all atheists. He says "You are atheist, therefore you have no morals." and he uses Stalin etc. as examples.
In the second clip, he goes to the individual level. Religiosity is good, therefore something else, something individually determined, must make the person immoral.
The contradiction is that the same thing, immorality, can be both group-determined and individually determined depending on what the group is.
mad27 3 years ago 2
Bill 1: Religions give morals to people.
Bill 2: People give morals to religion.
Saerain 3 years ago 2
he didn't confirm either of them actually.
alanaldasucks 3 years ago
Bill is an insufferable dick. Can anyone deny that? Even supporters? I thought not.
eatbolt 4 years ago
What is with the Tu quoque argument?
facilisdescenus 4 years ago
WIN
TheReasonWhyGuy 4 years ago
Depends what day you tune him in. Those of weak conviction...Stein, O Reilly...pandering whores...never are predictable.
bigbaytzem 4 years ago
On Bill's supposed self-contradiction:
Clip 1--Bill: 'moral foundation' requires religion—i.e. a faith in the 'spiritual' foundations of moral law. Clip 2—Harris: Religion is bad 'repository' for ethical intuitions (EI). A secular, non-religious worldview can use EI. Religion+EI=Bad.
Bill's reply: 'depends on the person.' Blame religious perversion on theologians and practitioners but not religion. Religion+EI=Good. There's no self-contradition. The two issues are sufficiently distinct.
knocked44 4 years ago
But there is a contradiction.
Bill is saying that Stalin and Pol Pot are evil because of their ideology. He believes atheism has been a bane to human civilization. He deliberately is pointing out that it is because of their atheism that they are bad people. When Harris shoots the same argument back, saying religion makes people bad, Bill says it depends on the person. If that is the case, then it wouldn't matter that Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists, it should just depend on who they are.
themitchies 4 years ago
1. Bill says religion is necessary for being good but it is not sufficient. You can be bad and religious, 'depends on the person.' 2. Bill thinks you cannot be a good if you're an atheist. Atheism is not necessary for being bad (remember bad religious people), but it is sufficient ('there ain't no good athiests!').
I think you're reading Bill to have implied atheism is necessary for evil, which means "only athiests can be evil."
knocked44 4 years ago
But it still boils down to a very basic premise: People do things because of who they are, not because of the idealogy they subscribe to.
And Bill contradicted that premise when he said, "I will point to the worst mass murderers in history. All atheists."
The fact that they're atheists isn't supposed to make any difference according to Bill.
themitchies 4 years ago
Bill thinks religion is a ticket to a good, moral life. But just because you got the ticket doesn't mean you're going to use it for what its meant to be used for. You could tear it up, or eat the ticket. Its up to the ticket holder. But, if you're non-relgious, you don't have a ticket, so you dont have a shot at the good life anyway and you can't live it up with all the religious people who use their ticket correctly.
I'm not saying I agree with Bill. I just don't he's self-contradictory.
knocked44 4 years ago
um, atheism isn't a religion dude... it's the lack of one, believing in nothing spiritual basically.
davidesle 4 years ago
Billy is not a very smart guy.
jonrp05 4 years ago 2
You guys are confusing evidence with theory- in clip one he is merely giving evidence for his opinion or theory he is not proving it- in the seconed part he says that it is the individual that is at fault not the religion- In the first part he is countering Dawkin's claim that religion is evil- in the seconed part he is defending religion- Bill likes religion- this is not a startling fact!
frost122585 4 years ago
If he says a persons actions are simply a result of who they are and not what belief system they follow, then he is making a hypocritical claim that Stalin was an atheist and murdered large amounts of people. According to Bill, the fact that Stalin was an atheist shouldn't matter, yet he says it does.
themitchies 4 years ago
And he wasn't a Spock baby who Stein thinks all are murderers as nobody abused them. The man is a moron.
bigbaytzem 4 years ago
if a person claims to talk to god we call him a nut. if that person has one hundred followers, we call it a cult. if eventually the number reaches millions, we can it a religion. but it all starts with a nut.
jnycnuk 4 years ago
another thing... I agree with Dawkins that Atheists in history who have done horrible things were not driven by atheism. Religious people do things in the name of God. Atheists are viewed by people of faith as "bad" people because without God's laws they are evil but I know quite a few of them and they're mostly good-hearted, caring, intellectual type people.
discoprotection 4 years ago
He is obviously not religious if you ask me...regardless if he says he is or not. This is a guy who asks people to come on his show knowing where they stand on issues and then acts surprised when they state them and then puts words in people's mouths with his strange way of questioning. Oh and occasionally just says "shut up" or cuts the mic.I think he's arrogant, rude and very non-professional
discoprotection 4 years ago
I will say this, it seems to me that O'Reilly treated both men respectfully. If he is a boob, may he is paid to act like one. Or maybe he's paid to act the "sensible, docile" version of Rush Limbaugh.
I don't know, the world is a strange place.
opinionhead444 4 years ago
These interviews take place on different dates, it's possible that Bill could've simply, changed his mind on what he said in the earlier interview with Dawkins, hardly worth noting.
lanz0r4tehwin 4 years ago
You're correct, but when debating an issue it is important to retain consistency. I have that suspicious hunch that Bill would be inconsistent again if these two topics were to come up. That's why I ask, "which is it?"
themitchies 4 years ago
Bill O'reilly pisses me off.
Zombies100 4 years ago 4
Expecting consistency from Bill O'Reilly is like expecting journalistic integrity from Roger Ailes.
...or from Bill O'Reilly, for that matter.
professor2442 4 years ago 7
stupid ass
GunslingerX1 4 years ago
Its called doublethink, a common characteristics of religion (i.e. old testament wrathful god vs. new testament loving, forgiving god). You can justify anything based on a dualistic moral code, but in this instance it is just a person who believes in religion not wanting to be on the 'wrong end' of the argument.
RationalLiberty 4 years ago 3
Wow, Bill's a hypocrite... big surprise there.
MyTwarya 4 years ago
first HOORAH!
Breado2 4 years ago
everyone is inconsistent. We all do this sort of thing from time to time. However, Bill O'riley is consistant boob.
Flintknappingtips 4 years ago
"However, Bill O'riley is consistant boob. "
Absolutly.
Hitler wasn't an atheist.
ThatOneQuestion 4 years ago
Truly. If Hitler had been able to take Europe and rule it, he would made himself the new Holy Roman Emporer, King of the Catholics and partner to the Pope.
professor2442 4 years ago
Is there anything more intellectually vacuous then arguing whether Einstein or Hitler were religious?
EGarrett01 4 years ago