Life, the Universe and Everything - The Story of God - BBC

[mrlogicalman1]

the bible says nothing about universe expanding, quasars, blackholes ect all it says is earth is flat , has 4corners and is 6000yrs old. whod ever believe this piece of shit as from a divine being , god. christianity is just another human worship religion , that also approves of a human worship. that magically lets criminals 2000yrs go to heaven. while it says babies go to hell since it says ALL HAVE SINNED. no wonder aliens ignore us. cos of human worship and statue worship

[mralanv]

I want God to be real. I don't want to believe we are alone, we can't be. But why is there such lack of evidence? that frustrates me.

[turbobrain999]

Even though, hinduism is reached, still the depth is not revealed. Eventually, all the gods are praised as one god through "Purusha Sukta". Eventhough 300,000,000+ gods are named, but all are worshiped as one. Only problem is that, instead of "Nothing" idols being used to represent different faces of "The One".

[mdogden]

I wasn't suggesting that science is a religion, or to be worshiped. But science DOES require faith until you carry out the experiments yourself, you BELIEVE what the scientist says is true. Generally, it makes more sense to BELIEVE what scientists conclude, but they disagree plenty. Scientists are human and make mistakes. How many times has the universe "changed" when learned something new? None of us have all the answers, so I think poking fun of people of faith is immature and short sighted.

[2eelShmeal]

@mdogden I read your previous post and I agree with it. I don't know why some didn't get it. But yes, faith is required in science too. I think that my fellow atheists are terrified of the words faith and belief. We all have a bit of both. Its not the faith nor the believing THEMSELVES that are of concern, it's WHAT the faith or belief is.

In science faith&belief are different. They are justified by previous experiment. We have REASON to believe. In religion we believe what we WANT to be true.

[mdogden]

@2eelShmeal I agree mostly....People of religious faith can have REASONs to believe, if they have seen the power of faith helping someone, healing someone, etc..(The power of faith and better outcomes in surgery/chemo has been noted in legit journals...difficult to measure, but I think we will find there is something to it.) ..AND people of religious faith don't necessarily believe what they want...as in, an angry god, or judgment day, etc....it's what they are taught.

[2eelShmeal]

@mdogden Thanks. I agree that positive thinking can have actual physical benefits. I also agree that prayer can help an individual heal. I think that OTHER people can pray all they want and nothing will happen, it has to be the person themself who believes they will recover. (The knowledge that others are praying for you can help but w/o it, it's useless.)

You can heal from meditation and pure thoughts too. If prayer works, why does it mean that there is a God? Couldn't it just be our brain?

[2eelShmeal]

@mdogden Also, one thing I noticed about prayer: It seems to work no matter what God is prayed to in what religion. All of them seem to claim it works. Now we know all these religions can't be right... So how is it that prayer works in religions we know HAVE to be false by sheer odds? There's nothing supernatural that's why.

While the religions and Gods differ, one thing is the common denominator... People all have the same brains, the same wiring, the same human magical thinking. You do too.

[mdogden]

@2eelShmeal Supernatural is a word for things outside our understanding. That aside...you touched on the heart of the matter...faith. There is no faith healing amongst atheists. Clearly the power may be nothing more than in my head...but wouldn't I rather have it? (And you can't prove it is any more than the reverse.) If the plane is going down in flames....you're not going to ask God for help? BS! Different religions can be different facets of the same stone. I have my doubts

[2eelShmeal]

@mdogden I think prayer can have it's benefits but it's limited. I mean,lol you wouldn't pray over a broken arm... It just takes time and that's it. But in illnesses that are less defined prayer is said to work.

I would go as far as to say that even if prayer DID heal that broken arm, I don't think I could necessarily jump and say it must've been a God. It could be some other mysterious thing we don't know.

Honestly, I'd have to see God directly to believe at this point. (I was a born-again)

[mdogden]

@2eelShmeal I have my doubts, just like any sinner. And even if the bible is nothing but paper, that doesn't mean there is no God. This is an interesting discussion. You seem a decent person. I have an ongoing argument about life on other planets with a buddy of mine. I don't think we will find any..at least not in our solar system. Thoughts?

[2eelShmeal]

@mdogden Outer space? That's REALLY up my alley.

Certainly, we will not find any intelligent life elsewhere in our solar system, but perhaps some microbial life ... Titan??

But of this I have no doubt, (a matter of faith you could say =) The universe is just far too unimaginably big for us to be the only ones out there questioning our own existence.

There are 100B galaxies (that's just what we can see). Our milky way is but one of those yet it contains apx 200B solar systems. [200,000 MILLION]

[mdogden]

@2eelShmeal It's too big for us to be the only ones IF the universe is as you expect it to be. I agree, actually, but there is also time to consider....maybe there was other life that flourished a billion years ago before their sun went supernova...or a billion years from now....would it still matter?

[2eelShmeal]

@mdogden Our galaxy alone is big enough that there should be other civilizations right in our own Milky Way.

To your question: Would WHAT matter?... to WHOM? It's all relative. After our sun goes red giant, if mankind does not find another rock to settle, he's toast. Literally.

Picture if you will, 7 billion yrs from now, some ship with travelers from a distant star goes through what USED to be our solar sys. All that would remain of earth is a charred rock, no sign it ever had life. History.

[mdogden]

@2eelShmeal Milky Way, fine, but when? Like all of us, I am trying to apply meaning to existence. We are the observers...we affect the universe by our very observation...if we are it...that means something...if we are one among many, that means something else.

If there is life out there, and we never discover it...what does it matter? Einstein said, you behave as if nothing is a miracle, or everything. Different meaning.

[2eelShmeal]

@mdogden There is no meaning or purpose for life in the universe as far as I can tell. There seems to be no goal, no job to do, no mission. Lots of people died before me, what does their life mean now? It doesn't matter. Why?

Because it mattered to THEM... THEN. That's what's important. What does it mean to you now, not in the grand scheme, because in the BIG picture, we have no meaning.

If we are to have a feeling of purpose we must make it for ourselves. I love that. Life is what you make it

[2manysecrets2]

@2eelShmeal

Excellent and spot on... very well said..

I may only add, continue to find something worth believing in to you. never lose your sense of wonder. Education is the key.

Seek knowledge and always be curious. It will bring genuine peace and understanding of "god", yourself, your existence.

Don't be afraid to peel the union until you find your peace, that reason and motive to continue pushing the boulder up the mountain (ala Camus)

Ciao

[2eelShmeal]

@2manysecrets2 Thank you, thank you.... (politely tips hat and bows)

I DO appreciate the occasional positive post. Thanks. That's the spirit.

[mdogden]

it's funny to see people speak to others as if they have all the answers. If all the answers were put before you you would be struck dumb with awe. Stop acting like you are SO MUCH loftier than someone who has a faith (even in science) that is different from yours. I doubt any of us have it just right. Enjoy the mystery. Be grateful for your little life.

[ColdByrdz]

@mdogden It's not the point to have faith in science. Science is not about faith. That is what distinguishes science from a religion; you cannot worship science. Acting as if someone were so much better, being ignorant and oblivious of being so is what I cannot understand about people. I respect people's faith, everyone should, but I don't want to have belief of another person inflicting so much influence on my life...

[papwalker99]

@mdogden I'm sure I understand your position. You can't be saying science claims to have all the answers. Why spend billions on LHC if we are sure? Science is about finding truth. We spend money every day to find answers, if we were certain we could just spend the money on boat and go fishing.

We are certain that insulin helps diabetes symptoms. Praying seems not to work. Many scientitsts worked hard on insulin. Is diabetes a punishment from god and you should accept his will and die???

[TheChromespy]

Good video, but I had to dislike, just cause..

[papwalker99]

@TheChromespy Gave you thumbs down. Same reason.

[lmos26]

whew, there really is no limit to what people can be convinced into believing.

[asswaxer100]

@AtheistsAreSkeptics The worst part of this video was about zoroastrianism... there is no one monotheistic god, for that would be a 'tyrant god.' It seems that there is evidence for reincarnation and, at least logical evidence for the existence of an infinite substratum, the Hindu 'Brahman'.

[AtheistToothFairy]

Bless this farm....so that it may provide the god believer with a BRAIN

[ViciousBeats16]

@AtheistToothFairy bless is he who believes in Allah, the orignator, creator of all things, from a lowly drop of fluid did you come from, ALAs your a grown adult, with intellect, but those who reject the one who created them, are deaf, dumb, and blind. they will not see even if they were shown the miracle of Musa pbuh.

[AtheistToothFairy]

@ViciousBeats16

Look, your Allah is as FAKE as all the rest of the posited gods that man has created throughout history.

If your Allah is real, then get him to show me a miracle and we'll talk further

[ViciousBeats16]

@AtheistToothFairy look at yourself, then get back to me. thats your miracle, study thyself. How did such a creature come to being from SPERM?

sometimes i just gotta be blunt lol.

[AtheistToothFairy]

@ViciousBeats16:"look at yourself, then get back to me. thats your miracle"

I see no reason to presume that because we are a product of natural occurances that this is somehow a 'miracle'.

Study biology and evolution, and it's clear that we came about by natural means and not from some god speaking us into existence.

[ViciousBeats16]

@AtheistToothFairy it would be very rare that a miracle would happen at the hands of an ordinary person, like myself, i am no prophet or messenger. I believe in Allah, and follow his messengers. abide by Shariah the Law of Allah, and thus i have sufficient evidences and proofs, that lead me to Faith in what i believe is the Truth. This evolution you speak of, i have studied it, and it still leads one to think, we have no purpose or reason on earth. we have certain yrs to live. for what?

[AtheistToothFairy]

@ViciousBeats16:"This evolution you speak of, i have studied it, and it still leads one to think, we have no purpose or reason on earth. we have certain yrs to live. for what"

The universe isn't here to provide you with some grand purpose in life.

That is UP TO YOU to do.

Oddly enough, it's this desire to have a ultimate purpose that helps to drive the engine of all the god beliefs humans have formed.

Just because you don't like reality, doesn't mean you can wish it away, m'kay

[ViciousBeats16]

@AtheistToothFairy so we live, to go to work, to do whatever and achieve these earthly goals? is that your claim, my job in existing is to do what we humans do, and die? hmm sounds pathetic to me

[AtheistToothFairy]

@ViciousBeats16:"so we live, to go to work, to do whatever and achieve these earthly goals? is that your claim"

Until some objective evidence comes along that demonstrates that we have some 'higher' purpose, then yes, this life is all you can be assured of.

To ASSume otherwise, is to be a fool

[AtheistsAreSkeptics]

@ViciousBeats16

@AtheistToothFairy

"look at yourself, then get back to me. thats your miracle"

Our DNA can be arranged in so many ways that you can have ALMOST INFINITE sets of arrangement of human genomes.

Thats why everytime I take a look at my conscious self, I always think about those almost infinite numbers of other people that wasnt so lucky enough to be born at all..

There is no miracle in our existence, we are here only by CHANCE.. and nothing more.

[ViciousBeats16]

@AtheistsAreSkeptics right we are here by chance, gotta be the saddest predicament to be in. smh

[COEXISTential]

@ViciousBeats16 Explain how the description of the growth of the foetus in Qur'an is a) wrong, and b) a virtually exact copy of Galen of Pergamon's work from late in the 2nd Century AD. Did the creator and originator of all things not make thorough notes or something?

Those who reject the scientifically verifiable and demonstrably correct in order to preserve faith-based anachronisms are not using their god-(or Allah)-given brains.