it doesn't fit because the shell length is determined by its length after being shot, as you can see the federal 2 3/4 which seems shorter has a crimp which when fired expands to an exact 2 3/4, when you fire the fiocchi it doesn't have a star crimp like the federal, just a small lip to hold the payload in, it is already nearly 2 3/4 and wont fold out after firing.
the shell length {2 3/4} is the max AOL once fired aka unrolled. European shotgun ammo is typically longer, and roll crimped vs star crimped is longer yet. As im sure you are figuring out, thats why box fed shotguns are a bit troublesome to feed {and never really en vogue}
@futuresolider96 That is probably because of some state law you have, I never faxed anything for ammo online, and several others I know who have ordered have have not had to do that.
hey paul, can you chamber a single round in the saiga like can be done in the remington 870 ? if so maybe you could at least fire some through it one at a time.
Too bad about the Saiga mag, I was already excited.
I can't wait for the shooting vid, I saw a shot show vid on these and have been waiting for someone to buy some. Thanks for shelling out the cash for us to see how good they are.
@humans4targets2 do you have a beretta 92fs cause ive been watching your videos and i haven't seen a beretta firearm in your collectione if you do can you do a review on it?
lol ok seems it took you that long to do it, its ok for you to keep the hand finger thing lol But no more finger thing as the hand finger thing looks much better
h4t good thing you have a plan "b", but that stinks you couldn't put them through the siega, that would of been awsome. I hope one day we can see the converted shotgun in action-peace-
As a side note...these would be a good home defense "warning shot". I think seeing a fireball fly at you out of a shotgun from across the yard followed by getting peppered by #8 shot would be quite a nice "Maybe you should leave".
your Saiga should chamber a 3" shell and work fine with the tracers, but not with the 20 and 30 rd drum mags. You can buy straight mags that hold 5, 10 and maybe even 15 that will chamber a 2 3/4", 3", and anything in between.
Sounds like a good ol' TCPO oxidation reaction, those can be very bright indeed. But yeah its essentially a glow stick composition. The expiration is prob. due to the degradation of the Hydrogen Peroxide used to start the reaction, it breaks down faster than the other chemicals.
Very cool, never seen them before. Surpised at the length difference when they say 2-3/4", looks alot closer to 3". Looking forward to the shooting video. Take care and have a good day.
lucky. Living in hawaii, you'd have to pay proabably about 30 - 50 bucks just to get next day shipping........which i guess wouldn't be a problem seeing as how we can't order ammo online anyways rofl.
@humans4targets2 what hes saying is the purple shell is actually 2 3/4 long and the other shell when it opens after being shot expands to 2 3/4....... its like a 2x4 kinda its not real a 2x4 its a 1 3/4x 3 3/4...........the shells are originally 2.5 or somewhere around their and expand and uncrimp when shot,,,,,hope this helps and check out my page/!
@humans4targets2 ok,what i mean is the cartrage is smaller when unfired and when you fire it it expands out to 2 3/4.if you look inside the barrel chamber you'll see where the round sits,there is a gap in front of the round to allow the expandsion of the casing/aka when it (unfolds).the tracer round you have will expand no longer than 2 3/4,however it starts off bigger than standard lenth and thats why it won't fit in your mags.i have heard the saiga shotguns also take 3 inch shells,get that mag
@humans4targets2 I think that the Fiocchi will not open up because the shell is not folded over like a normal round. When fired it will stay the same lenth.
They seem quite a novelty - I really cannot see where someone would use one given the typically short range of shot gun shooting? Will be interesting to see the results of firing.
@jamezyboy11 Here are the shooting video's that I have up.. Desert Eagle .50, glock 20, glock 27, glock 23, .500 magnum, HK USP, AR-15, Kimber 1911, glock 17, HK PSP and more, but I can't remember what guns....
it doesn't fit because the shell length is determined by its length after being shot, as you can see the federal 2 3/4 which seems shorter has a crimp which when fired expands to an exact 2 3/4, when you fire the fiocchi it doesn't have a star crimp like the federal, just a small lip to hold the payload in, it is already nearly 2 3/4 and wont fold out after firing.
hart2pownnoobz 1 week ago
jade is is sister
scousemousebill 1 week ago
at 5:17 the cops are after your ass
bmxman9384 3 weeks ago
Your Saiga 12 will take a 3" in your stock 5 round mag.
thegbpackers284 1 month ago
12 guage phospherous thats sick
watchmen60 1 month ago
@watchmen60 wrong! it clearly states that it is cyalume -.-
lsb3340 1 month ago
link to saiga test?
shoopwhoopX 1 month ago
they are discontinued :(
ms3bani 1 month ago
Using a military knife to cut open a cardboard box.......Like a BOSS!!
LordOfTheTombs 1 month ago 3
hey have you ordered tracers from them in the last month? they dont offer them anymore
justinRkeaton 1 month ago
@justinRkeaton I have heard they dont make them anymore, why I do not know, shame because they were fun
humans4targets2 1 month ago
@humans4targets2 yea Bummer
justinRkeaton 1 month ago
for some reason i can not find them on bulkammo.com they arent on any of the 12 gauge ammo pages. did they stop selling them?
trophyhunter147 1 month ago
ballcamo.com ok why not jk its bulkammo.com
dagunna3 2 months ago
i was guna say that looks like a 3 inch mag lol
bigmanfromflorida96 2 months ago
cut one open.
bbbiiii123 3 months ago
they dont sell this no more i guess....i looked online...they dont even have shotgun shells by fiocchi...
TheBrowningmaxus8833 3 months ago
Januay, Febuay, Masch, Apil
VicariousReality7 3 months ago
@VicariousReality7 lol
humans4targets2 3 months ago
i went to the website and i dont see an option for 12 gauge tracer rounds
PolishedTurd4Life 4 months ago
There's an expiration date?
spookypunky 4 months ago
I only see it availiable in 100 round count how were you able to order 30?
Madison1911R1 6 months ago
@Madison1911R1 bulkammo.com you can get as low as ten
humans4targets2 6 months ago
shot the fuckin thing
TSwagzZ 6 months ago
the shell length {2 3/4} is the max AOL once fired aka unrolled. European shotgun ammo is typically longer, and roll crimped vs star crimped is longer yet. As im sure you are figuring out, thats why box fed shotguns are a bit troublesome to feed {and never really en vogue}
Duckyistrippin 6 months ago
i tried ordering from bulk ammo .com but i have to fax my foid card and that to much hassle
futuresolider96 9 months ago
@futuresolider96 That is probably because of some state law you have, I never faxed anything for ammo online, and several others I know who have ordered have have not had to do that.
humans4targets2 9 months ago
@futuresolider96 its cuz youre from illinois and you suck.
jewbo321 2 months ago
@jewbo321 yeah fuck you bro i dont live here by choice
futuresolider96 2 months ago
@futuresolider96 im glad you understand that wisconsin is better.
jewbo321 2 months ago
so its like a glowwstick in a shotgun shell?
tfoshohoe 9 months ago
@tfoshohoe yes
tractorman96 7 months ago
looks like some good july 4 ammo
xle5363 9 months ago
where u buy this gun
MegaSplash1000 9 months ago
I tag everyone who sees this comment to make a video response to my zombie apocalypse video.
saj12100 9 months ago
hey paul, can you chamber a single round in the saiga like can be done in the remington 870 ? if so maybe you could at least fire some through it one at a time.
SIG226Y 9 months ago
Too bad about the Saiga mag, I was already excited.
I can't wait for the shooting vid, I saw a shot show vid on these and have been waiting for someone to buy some. Thanks for shelling out the cash for us to see how good they are.
Take care
1AbominAble1 9 months ago
I bought some ammo from bulkammo.com. There shipping is almost scary fast.
Saltycrabs 9 months ago
We want a video of you shooting these outdoors in both day and night!
Supermassively 9 months ago
@humans4targets2 He's saying they won't last a week because you'll shoot them all in less than a week. :)
Supermassively 9 months ago
@Supermassively Yeah I see it now, I am slow today lololol
humans4targets2 9 months ago
@humans4targets2 No worries. I'm sure there is a Starbuck's on the way to your range!
TheGunfighter45acp 9 months ago
@Supermassively Yep! A 'shotgun bike cam' might be fun!
TheGunfighter45acp 9 months ago
i don't get it. why do you need a tracer in a shotgun?
llib90630 9 months ago
@llib90630 If you have ever shop trap or skeey you would know
humans4targets2 9 months ago 3
@How much per box i'm 15 and me and my dad do N.S.C.A. competitions and I would like to know where my shots are going on the shaun dells.
TheAk47Enthusiast 9 months ago
@TheAk47Enthusiast I saw them online for about 26 for a box of 10
humans4targets2 9 months ago
@humans4targets2 do you have a beretta 92fs cause ive been watching your videos and i haven't seen a beretta firearm in your collectione if you do can you do a review on it?
abb23637 9 months ago
So 30 people shoulder to shoulder firing at the same time right???? Or double barrel at the same time. Gonna be sweet!
mattvanhugenstein 9 months ago
LOL. I liked the "Use by Oct 2012" stickers. As if these bad boys will last longer than a week or so!
TheGunfighter45acp 9 months ago
1 DISLIKE... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
DeniZg200 9 months ago
@shootcentermass I think mine took 7 or 8 weeks, if you call like I did the dude will tell you when it will be shipped. Worth the wait buddy!
humans4targets2 9 months ago
i need lots of ammo. dam Paul you can literally light up and intruders dick with that ammo! i want them! i want them! i want them!! lol
theARMORYchannel 9 months ago
@theARMORYchannel lol Bill wants some 12 gauge shells that squirt creme out of the end LOLOL
humans4targets2 9 months ago
That shotgun makes me sick because I want one grrrrrrrrrr What is one of them running in price?
pshaw61 9 months ago
Are you in a place that you can't shoot?? I would enjoy some actual shooting vids!!
roaming1978 9 months ago
@roaming1978 I have several shooting video's up
humans4targets2 9 months ago
sweet, PAUL!
MR500BULLIT 9 months ago
The finger thing looked a bit better in this one, It was more of a hand thing than a finger thing
lololololol
pronster1 9 months ago
@pronster1 YES it only took me ten takes! lol
humans4targets2 9 months ago
@humans4targets2
lol ok seems it took you that long to do it, its ok for you to keep the hand finger thing lol But no more finger thing as the hand finger thing looks much better
lolololol
pronster1 9 months ago
Nice man. I can't wait to see you shoot them.
TheCoroncachannel 9 months ago
wow nice, i wont some
TheGoodOlBoyzChannel 9 months ago
Min 10:00= (fEE-O-kEE)
nutnpretty 9 months ago
where did you buy your saiga from?
xBADxB4NDITOx 9 months ago
@xBADxB4NDITOx They have to be converted to look like that after they are shipped over, I bought it from a private owner who converted it.
humans4targets2 9 months ago
Solution: Saiga 12s shoot 3" shells as well, just get a Russian american armory factory mag, if you want to use those shells to sight the gun in.
byroniverson 9 months ago
@byroniverson Cool, I will have to pick some up
humans4targets2 9 months ago
@byroniverson saiga 12s do shoot 3in shells too but r u sure the red ones were 2 3/4? they looked like 2in? tracers looked like 2 3/4
b311brian 9 months ago
h4t good thing you have a plan "b", but that stinks you couldn't put them through the siega, that would of been awsome. I hope one day we can see the converted shotgun in action-peace-
thefamcnaj 9 months ago
What shotgun is that ?
buzzsah 9 months ago
do these cause fires like rifle tracer rounds can?
goalieslayer 9 months ago
The whole time I had the feeling it won't fit. I don't know why. I don't own a shotgun :)
Did you contact Bulkammo or Fiocchi and and told them about the problem?
mafiajimmy 9 months ago
cool vid. Paul. You are going to be a busy man once things dry out.lol Take care bro.
hk45shooter 9 months ago
As a side note...these would be a good home defense "warning shot". I think seeing a fireball fly at you out of a shotgun from across the yard followed by getting peppered by #8 shot would be quite a nice "Maybe you should leave".
ambalanceman62 9 months ago
your Saiga should chamber a 3" shell and work fine with the tracers, but not with the 20 and 30 rd drum mags. You can buy straight mags that hold 5, 10 and maybe even 15 that will chamber a 2 3/4", 3", and anything in between.
ambalanceman62 9 months ago
every 4th of july from here on out is going to be awesome.
rickthegunslinger 9 months ago
does it cost you extra to get it shipped that fast?
j0enasser 9 months ago
man where have you been? i haven't heard from you lately. great video i've read up on these rounds i can't wait to see those shooting vids.
MatrixOne976 9 months ago
your going to make a video of you shooting this? That be really cool!
meshi114 9 months ago
get you some glow in the dark clay pigeons an shoot skeet in the dark - thad be awsome
IAMMeBeing 9 months ago
Sounds like a good ol' TCPO oxidation reaction, those can be very bright indeed. But yeah its essentially a glow stick composition. The expiration is prob. due to the degradation of the Hydrogen Peroxide used to start the reaction, it breaks down faster than the other chemicals.
Kalash239 9 months ago
it's a glow stick
from what i saw from the dude's video
kurlis 9 months ago
Very cool, never seen them before. Surpised at the length difference when they say 2-3/4", looks alot closer to 3". Looking forward to the shooting video. Take care and have a good day.
ewtoutdoors 9 months ago
for the tracer rounds it is $175 for 100 rounds just so everyone nows
stryker091 9 months ago
lol did you have to sell your car to buy those 3 boxes?
jimothy183 9 months ago
theres a shot show vid somewhere the guy cracks the thing with his teeth and it lights up bright
condition145 9 months ago
lucky. Living in hawaii, you'd have to pay proabably about 30 - 50 bucks just to get next day shipping........which i guess wouldn't be a problem seeing as how we can't order ammo online anyways rofl.
808Arsenal 9 months ago
@808Arsenal because ammo cant be shipped by air.
SNIPERSTEVE420 9 months ago
@SNIPERSTEVE420 well...duh.
808Arsenal 9 months ago
To be more clear,it is when the round is fired it opens up to 2 3/4 lenth inside the barrel.
slowtaknow 9 months ago 2
@slowtaknow Open it would be longer, that makes no sense to me,
humans4targets2 9 months ago
@humans4targets2 what hes saying is the purple shell is actually 2 3/4 long and the other shell when it opens after being shot expands to 2 3/4....... its like a 2x4 kinda its not real a 2x4 its a 1 3/4x 3 3/4...........the shells are originally 2.5 or somewhere around their and expand and uncrimp when shot,,,,,hope this helps and check out my page/!
rey1933 9 months ago
@humans4targets2 I't might be just me but they may have miss-labeled the shells or something because that shells looks like it's 3" long not 2 3/4.
lepricon211 9 months ago
@humans4targets2 ok,what i mean is the cartrage is smaller when unfired and when you fire it it expands out to 2 3/4.if you look inside the barrel chamber you'll see where the round sits,there is a gap in front of the round to allow the expandsion of the casing/aka when it (unfolds).the tracer round you have will expand no longer than 2 3/4,however it starts off bigger than standard lenth and thats why it won't fit in your mags.i have heard the saiga shotguns also take 3 inch shells,get that mag
slowtaknow 9 months ago
@humans4targets2 I think that the Fiocchi will not open up because the shell is not folded over like a normal round. When fired it will stay the same lenth.
jdunk2145 9 months ago
@slowtaknow ya a 2 3/4 inch shell is acutaly like 2 1/2 inch and the shell becomes 2 3/4 after it is fired
famous9783 9 months ago
It's the full open shell lenth I think.
slowtaknow 9 months ago
"use by Oct 2012" damn, can't use them to fuck over the riders of the apocalypse then..
BJINDACLUB 9 months ago
upload you shooting them.
ChazOneZeroSeven 9 months ago
i wonder what makes them "expire"
DIXIECONFEDERATEDAWG 9 months ago
★★★★★
MadBadVoodo 9 months ago
If these are incendiary, are they legal in California?
chr1s510 9 months ago
@chr1s510 Cali sucks with their nanny state gov.
hawkermustang 9 months ago
@hawkermustang that dosnt help.
chr1s510 9 months ago
They seem quite a novelty - I really cannot see where someone would use one given the typically short range of shot gun shooting? Will be interesting to see the results of firing.
bitpri05 9 months ago
Those rounds look 3 inches to me. See if you can find some Surefire mags for your Saiga. Most of the drums only take 2 3/4.
interloperblues 9 months ago
@interloperblues na, it's says on the box it's 2 3/4 inch :)
CaptainsneakyMk5 9 months ago
Before I even watch just let me say, for "special" 12 gauge rounds, I'd like to pick up some of those flashbang and/ or CONFETTI shotgun rounds! :D
Speedogg138 9 months ago
Can't you just drop them in the chamber of the saiga to sight it in?
bubba102893 9 months ago
oooo 3/4 ounce shot aint bad at all. i think standard 20 gauge is 7/8 ounce
SupremeAmerican 9 months ago
They expire right before the next fake apocalypse
SupremeAmerican 9 months ago 42
Very cool, I will have to check them out.
robbie574 9 months ago
Plan B looks SEXY!!
malofa99 9 months ago
h4t i don't think Ive ever seen you shoot before
jamezyboy11 9 months ago 9
@jamezyboy11 Here are the shooting video's that I have up.. Desert Eagle .50, glock 20, glock 27, glock 23, .500 magnum, HK USP, AR-15, Kimber 1911, glock 17, HK PSP and more, but I can't remember what guns....
humans4targets2 9 months ago 16
@humans4targets2 ok thanks I'm checking them out right now
jamezyboy11 9 months ago
@humans4targets2 waiting for the socom shooting video :P
808Arsenal 9 months ago
E. P. I. C!
malofa99 9 months ago
very nice
dajuan1104 9 months ago
I have bought from them several times...good service.
conductorcammon 9 months ago
demo vid please
imachku 9 months ago
tracers for a shotgun? isnt that called dragons breath?
williepie 9 months ago
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i3oringdayz 9 months ago
@williepie negative, thats incendiary rounds
these are like small glow sticks or "chem lights" as the military calls them
MasterVashTheStampde 9 months ago
HEY KITTTTTTYYYYYYYYYY
cokeman2423 9 months ago
Those are badass man. I might have to pick me up some of those. Thanks for the video!
TacticoolGUY 9 months ago