(PART 2/4) - The Venus Project :: A Resource Based Economy : The Transition Begins

[pommyrooter]

Utopia in English means No-where.

[MaximilianPs]

this is what happen to me every time >.<'

[greenecosurvivors]

evil white bitch!!!

[TheDarkFenix]

The dialogue at the beginning could well be the discussion between someone of today and a time traveler from the future.

There's a point when a RBE concept becomes so evident, i can't see a person defendind the current system in any other way than a primitive monkey.

Yes, we are still evolving!

[Play671]

By the way, life is not fair, but we do have it just for us, but they were happier, and that's bluff people who want to live in society of the insane. Are used to living in a society of vices, and because of that many pay dearly and not paying what they should pay. How to change if they want to go to ignore something that can change lives? think carefully.

And fuck all politics democracy, Dictatorship, communism etc. They are policies of the past than it is now in our era.

[gifteconomy12]

Competition forces people to be abusive, unfair, selfish! Competition breeds greed! MOST RECENT STUDIES PROOVE: human nature is ALTRUIST - man becames greedy through the system!

We could bring the change immediately - WORKING ONLY FOR FREE IN THE IMMAGE OF WIKIPEDA and claiming ALL FOR FREE - LAND, SPACE, MINERALS... = our real BIRTHRIGHTS

Life is a GIFT - everything on this planet could/should be just A GIFT! it's in our hands - no jesus, no guru, no money... WE HAVE TO STAND UO AND BUILD

[MrSammo1]

Money is nothing more than a human abstraction. The best way to convince people is to point this out.

[AfroBotSays]

@MrSammo1 my parents cant seem to grasp the idea =\

they think it's bartering.. even when i stress that bartering would lead back to the monetary system

[MrSammo1]

@AfroBotSays A great short video for them to watch is called Alan Watts - Money.

This will help them understand how the system is rigged. It's very easy to understand.

[TVPchallenge]

Excellent dialogue. Thanks for uploading =)

[maapaa2010]

@filmbeau.. i find it very intresting, you say that your previous experiences in life has no indication of your actions or how you think, how ever nothing if fruther from the truth.. what you think and how you perceive things is 90% from the experiences in your life/ enviroment... for you to feel so sceptical against such a ideal most likely came from your past enviroment even present im not trying to cause insult just be realistic and scienctific..

[filmbeau]

RBEs are a sham. They are not the way forward. They are another method of centralized control.  The VP and TZM are just ways for you to consent to your own and your children's continued and perpetual enslavement.

[WarInsideYourHead]

@filmbeau Nice argument? haha

[filmbeau]

@WarInsideYourHead Yes. Yes, I know.

[questionsleadtotruth]

@filmbeau Look up a YouTube video called "Preschool Children Microchipped" I think that's what your actually referring to when you say "children's continued and perpetual enslavement".

The Venus Project and Zeitgeist Movement are working to make sure this isn't the reality for our children and yet it's already happening...

[filmbeau]

@questionsleadtotruth I am aware of these things, but I see no effort beyond lipservice by TVP or TZM to do anything about it, so your statement to the contrary is bogus.

[Play671]

I agree! Stupid wars, the follies of the dictators of the past. We must continue to live with this kind of idiotic policy? No, the venus project can live in peace and live with others without fear without crime and without drugs, among many others. I'm tired of wars and religion, this is not the kind of life I want, still did not know JAQUESFRESCO had a youtube channel, now on my channel.

[danz177]

@filmbeau Enslavement to whom, for what end and with that means?

[willywillyization]

@filmbeau tHIS bitch is exactly the problem with the world...she's selfish, self centered and a scum bag ...gee exactly the byproduct of our fu...ed up system! We need to leave people with that mentality alone to suffer and stay lost until they vanquish

[Keim4ever]

@willywillyization yeah she sounds like someone who would make an arguement against the Venus Project on youtube.

[warobsessive]

@filmbeau can you prove it? and don't ragequit like everyone else who made stuff like that up.

[filmbeau]

@warobsessive yes I can. Read the Zeitgeist Manual for Activists chapter 3. THINK about what is being said. That is my proof.

[warobsessive]

@filmbeau "part" 3 or "chapter" 3?

[filmbeau]

@warobsessive Sorry...Part 3

[warobsessive]

@filmbeau I'm sorry nut I don't see what you see. All they talk about there is freeing humans from labor with automation. Personally I feel the world is broken today, don't you? You can clearly see the world is falling apart. No one has proposed a better plan than an RBE. Today we are more enslaved than we could have ever been because the corporations control our lives my manipulating our paychecks.

[filmbeau]

@warobsessive read it again. That is what the Communists promised. Centralized control to ensure fair distribution. It won't work for any but the technocrats who control the computers that decide who gets what. Why can't you see past your own utopian ideals? This life isn't supposed to be perfect. I don't advocate sticking with what we got but I wouldn't put my hopes in this stuff. I am done arguing about it though. The arguments tend to be redundant for me. Many ape the party line

[Keitaro2011]

@filmbeau Dude... The entire point of the Venus project is that it's NOT centralized.

[avatarelite]

@filmbeau please educate yourself before posting a comment like that. VP will not control people. There will be no government! A computer distributes and tracks resources. It doesn't control man.

[filmbeau]

@avatarelite It is you who is uneducated. Who do you think controls the computers? Other computers? No. In the VP/ZM literature, it says an unelected, unaccountable group of anonymous "Scientists and Technicians" do that job. Who are they? That is not your concern for they know better than you. It's a sham, and so is any notion of an RBE. Don't be fooled.

[filmbeau]

Even the counter=point person was presented as an elitist greedy selfish scumbag. Surely you don't consider all of us who disagree with you as greedy, elitist, selfish scumbags...do you?

Is that all you guys do?  Make videos that appeal to the self righteous natures of people who already agree with you? That might make all of you feel good, but it won't attract others to your causxe.

[questionsleadtotruth]

@filmbeau I am genuinely sorry for whatever has happened in your life to make you so doubtful of what the possibilities could be. Your comment is filled with transference. For it is the greedy, elitist, selfish scumbags (your description,not mine) who are in a daily fight to appeal to the global population with their MTV stations, Reality Shows, Celebritism, and the dumbing down of our young people instead of enlightening them through science and technology. There is a lot of repairing to do.

[filmbeau]

@questionsleadtotruth Give ma a break, dude. Don't try that crap on me. Whatever happened in my life didn't turn me into a condescending armchair psychiatrist like it is doing to you, so let me express my pity for the poor state of YOUR life.

[questionsleadtotruth]

@filmbeau Your pity is wasted, for all you have done in validated my comment even more.

[filmbeau]

@questionsleadtotruth back at ya, Doctor.

Your movie was full of this. Instead any actual substantive arguments to allay the concerns of the naysayer woman, your protagonist attacked the background and the assumed belief system of the of the woman. Then you made her out to be a rich and self centered elitist. You have no arguments, so you insult. Pathetic.

[questionsleadtotruth]

@filmbeau The goal with this video was to show that when someone has made up their mind that they are against something it doesn't matter what you say to that person, they will continually rebuttal any statements, no matter how logical, with more emotionally charged and self justificating comments. When people do not want to change it is incredibly difficult to open their minds to new possibilities. Based on the comments I am receiving for this video, I'd say the goal was accomplished.

[filmbeau]

@questionsleadtotruth this response makes very little sense. Why make avideo about how it's pointless to try and talk to people and change their point of view? I would say that your claim that people have emotional and self-justifying responses to things is a cop out. You have no real arguments for RBEs, TZM, and TVP, so you resort to insulting your opposition I have yet to hear a real argument in favor of RBEs as proposed by the TZM Activist Orientation Manual from anybody anywhere.

[Anonymousg64]

@filmbeau I've yet seen any response by anyone that we should keep our current direction. It's illogical to think a RBE is not the way, we must move on past the old way of exchange and move into a system intelligently designed to be sustainable and favor all people and not just a select few. And also eliminate state power, making it impossible for anyone to attempt to control the system. We have the technology, so why continue with this collapsing system?

[willywillyization]

@questionsleadtotruth YOUR RIGHT...SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T AND WON'T GET IT....THEY WANT TO STAY ASLEEP.....NOTHING IS WRONG...YEEHAAA, NOTHING IS WRONG, RIGHT (?!!!)

[filmbeau]

Wow, that was seriously uninformative and dismissive of any real concerns as if they were based on brainwashing and indoctrination or greed. Don't you have any real arguments for why this is a good thing? There is no actual substance to anything discussed in this video. it is merely a way to dodge the questions.

[questionsleadtotruth]

@filmbeau #1. I am putting together a video that is simply real statistical data without any plot or discussions by the characters. I just have to find a way to still make it interesting or else it'll be incredibly boring. But don't worry it's on the way....

#2. In the 'more info' section of the videos I state that these are introductory videos for people who are not familiar with an RBE. It is impossible to fit everything I want to get across in 10 minutes. I am trying my best.

[MsHolylove]

Great video!!! <3

[FactualSolutions]

Awesome vid pal - you have pointed out all those "concerns" people use to mention about a RBE - great work.

:)

FS

[thebigseahorse]

Money solves nothing, it only creates greed, war, and famine, it WILL be "great minds coming together" that will save us all... and save us from ourselves.

Namaste!

[thebigseahorse]

Great work my friend, plain and simple!

Namaste!

[lspmd2]

I try to think of TZM as sort of an 'upgrade' to my conditioning and TVP as NOT brainwashing, more like 'washing my brain'

Keep the Faith little brothers & sisters & 'keep moving forward'. A line from "Meet the Robinsons" (a kids film i watched w/t grandkids. Check it out, we can end up like 'Boller Hat Guy' world or 'Louis' world :)

Love to all - Mamma D

PS - another great video!! Look how creative all u guys are!!! Also added to my favs.

[nutopiansg]

another concept is called "gross natioinal product "economy.a combo of the ideas being discussed here. The definition of "Capitalism" is not what the general population thinks it is,we do not live in a capitalist society,this is a word that is thrown around carelessly. the person who constructs a factory and fills it with production gear is a capitalist.after that managment and labour are involved in creating and supplying goods for CONSUMERS to keep the current civilization operating

[lightsout9999]

I just put it into my favorites. Great work.

[meesterJos]

Brilliant video! Says it all!!

[arzoyan]

of Capitalism no matter whether its Corporate dominated or State dictated .We need to create a Majority Democratic movement of no Leaders no Followers UNITY for a WORLD OF COOPERATION FOR OUR COMMON NEEDS AND WELL BEING in harmony within and without. A moneyless, classless, stateless communities of humanity expressing multitude of creative energies in freedom of BEING.

We have all the means for a world of plenty in harmony. Capitalism is organised suffering.

yOURS in UNITY arzoyan

[arzoyan]

Capitalism is the historic evolution of PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of ALIENATION, EXPLOITATION and SUFFERING of humanity in a modality of COMMODITY PRODUCTION FOR PROFIT . A politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM of artificial scarcity and manipulation, perpetuating the conditions of servitude and bondage of the WORKING CLASS in the interest of the OWNING/RULING CLASS. The WAGE SLAVERY OF IMMENSE HUMANITY in a monetary web of control,exploitation and deception is the template of the Tyranny=

[ChrisPMadden]

Slick and wise. The last 2 statements sums up the 2 sides very well, but the whole conversation is educational and useful! These answers given by Techno Brandy are ones that should be internalized by all those who intend to continue dialog and debate about a RBE. Kudos!

[mobius1234]

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