Leaving religion was hard for me because my experience had been so positive. It took seeing the hardship of others in religion to shake me out of my Polyanna view.
Congrats on improving your reaction toward non-heterosexuals!
Are you trying to teach us something you seem to be going the long way around things trying to prove your intellect. As you said you have no expertise in this field.I respect your view and I expect the same in return. Tell me something I don't know and I may watch more of your stuff. Tell it from your own heart not some useless books we can read them ourself. Just a thought from my heart.
@mrscooter711 I am not an expert in counseling, however psychology is a field I have studied to death on my own. I could easily be an academic on it. If you think books are useless I pity you. Books are life and the backbone of our thinking regardless of your faith. This part of the series 32-25 is specifically for people who are trying to overcome their fear of hell because they were raised by extremists who implanted the irrational fear as children.
@anubis2814 Thank you my friend this is the response I was hoping for, now you are on my planet. I hope you have taken something away from this very short conversation. We are not all well educated talk honestly and from the heart and I may believe you.
@anubis2814 I am understanding things a bit better these day's. Sorry for my comment , I don't even remember making it I must have been a bit cranky Sorry again :O)
@mrscooter711 Cognitive dissenence textbook. You are entitled to your own opinions. You are entitled to your own mechanisms. You are not, however, and I am sorry, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts. Anything out of your heart is opinion. If you don't like it, then don't believe it. Anything out of factual observations is not up for debate. Like it or not, you have to accept it is true.
@devex12345 Thank you I have learnt a lot in 3 week's I have learnt I should shut up if I don't really understand or just ask questions .Thank's again :O)
Ah! I see you followed up on my recommendation for the Dawkins / Jill Myton interview. Great. That's quite an informative insight into the perils of childhood indoctrination and the emotional scars it leave on kids. I didn't get the religious abuse but my father was a bit of a tyrant with physical discipline. He used to say "I believe in applied psychology - applied liberally to the backside", so of course I have anger management issues and have to control vengeful impulses (even as a pacifist).
I have to say that marijuana is most definately not a gateway drug, that is an excuse for keeping it illegal. The violence associated with drug use is because its illegal. Just like human trafficking is an issue becuase prostitution is illegal. I know your argument is on the psychological views of behavior and not of drug use, but that is why the issue of legality needs to be exposed as a thought/behavior system. And no, I don't and never have smoked pot.
@ymalmsteen887 There are genetic factors that that effect behaviours. Aggressiveness, fear responses, even basic temperament traits such as extroverts and introverts have a genetic factor. While the genetic factor doesn't necessarily determine the outcome it certainly effects it. Even food preferences have a genetic factor involved.
We aren't genetic automatons but genetics effect everything about us. Emotions are based in the physical body.
@ymalmsteen87 Genetics play an important part with personality as well. Genetics determine the development of the brain, perhaps developing some areas in one person more than those in another. Think if the genes telling the body to develop the frontal lobe of the brain weren't present...that person would have no control over themselves. Your personality really is just the aggregate of several genetic traits interacting with their environment.
You're wrong positive reinforcement is the adding of a stimuli spanking is a positive reinforcement you are adding a stimulant pain, negative reinforcement is the taking away of stimuli as in taking away something pleasurable like a privilege or even the removal of pain so get your psychology terms right before you make another video
@nycwiseguy91 According to my 2009 psychology textbook, positive reinforcement is defined as: the reinforcement of a response by the addition of experiencing of pleasurable stimuli.
@ymalmsteen887 That might well be the result of growing up playing a role dictated, however unconsciously, by your father. How did your mother and siblings respond to the environment?
This is complex stuff and there are lots of individual variants. I've spent my life rooting out and learning to control aspects of myself that were learned from my sadly dysfunctional parents.
Also, there are genetic factors that are hard to guess at. Tendencies that jump generations, etc.
@GrudgyDiablo Yeah you're right, cause selling your child to advertisements is nothing to get worried about. I'm sure next we'll be encouraging them to sell their daughters into prostitution so they can get their meth for the day. I love your logic :P
@anubis28145:40 The conclusion that the system is not credible regarding marijuana is a rational one however, regardless of whether you smoke it. So the idea that the substance itself acts as some kind of a "gateway" is erroneous. The irrational law is acting towards damaging and discrediting the system, not the substance. One danger of any clearly irrational law is just that. Each law should stand on its merits anyways, not needing to appeal to being part of the overall concept of "the law".
@anzwertree Interestingly enough, according to a book I was reading I believe was called "Sex the users manual" 50% of Britain has a spanking fetish mainly because it was so widely used as punishment in schools.
Nice vid. I prefer positive reinforcement, myself. I find it to be more effective in general for children and adults. Negative reinforcement, for the most part, on myself has only resulted in me resenting the one(s) who apply it. As for children doing negative things to try to get attention, that really doesn't bother me too much. I think instead of necessarily punishing the child for such incidences it would be better to teach the child more positive ways of asking for it.
"Negative reinforcement, for the most part, on myself has only resulted in me resenting the one(s) who apply it"
- hmm? last time i checked negative reinforcement involved the removal of a negative stimuli (a form of passive reward), as opposed to punishment which involves the addition of a negative stimuli
@anubis2814 That's still fucked up beyond words. How can that be legal to put any sort of drawings over your child without them being old enough to understand what they're doing. I can't believe how genetically fucked up in the head humans have become. There is no way that mother had that child with love, no loving mother would ever use their child as a living advertisement billboard. Probably got the cash from the advertisements and set him up for adoption just for the money. Disgusting.
@MaskedBlazer7 What the hell do you think facepainting is? That's considered a very fun thing for kids. I'm sure if this wasn't photo shopped this baby didn't give a crap either way. Beating up a homeless person hurt someone art does not.
@anubis2814 How the fuck can you compare face painting to advertising body painting? With face painting the child understands what's going on, that he's going to resemble his favorite animal.... it's not like he's advertising for the whole tiger species or something. Face painting is about fun, clearly advertisement body painting is *for the parents* about greed. It's not about the baby caring or not, it's the damn backround meaning to it which is fucked up.
@anubis2814 I think you need to pick up a religion and join the heard of mindless idiots who can't say anything without sounding like a moronic, sexually frustrated... ahem... douche bag. I hope you don't have children, I really do. I cannot imagine the torture a child would have with a father who has the point of view that you do.
Especially one who uses the middle school "sand in the vagina/butt" comeback. Grow up.
Oh, and nice job avoiding the subject after I put you in a dead end.
@MaskedBlazer7 If this child had actually been used for advertising it most certainly have been horrific. My Gf pointed out non- wrinkles that should be wrinkles showing it to be a photoshop. That fact that you are so over-sensitive that you are horrified that someone is making an art piece, to point out the awfulness of advertising (by pushing the idea to extreme in a fictional setting). Means you have issues with subtleties and satire. I and these people are extremely anti-advertising.
@anubis2814 I'm also sure that baby's don't know to care about being molested, because they don't understand it or know what the meaning behind it is. What you said pretty much told me that as long as the baby doesn't know or understand to "give a crap" then it doesn't matter. Please try to rephrase that.
Your videos are great. You are awesome for taking the time to do this. It means a lot to those of us waking up and not having the time to do all the research required to logically connect all of the dots.
The idea that Marijuana is a gateway drug has been discredited over and over and over, though I do agree that the fact that it is illegal does breakdown the barrier of being afraid of illegal things.
I will have to look at the South Park episode. I never had a need the yelling as in the vid. I have always Tried to use the quote: "Do as I do" instead of "do as I say" This makes me have to walk the line as well.
I look at him as version 1.2 of me. I want to get as much good info as possible to him.
Yes, the pack leader thing is a good analogy also. I was only discussing the negative reinforcement. I have placed much more of the positive as I see him as "mini me" and want the best for him.
@pumpstations Yes, I see you look upon your son as naturally as can be, which I believe is a good sign of a good intending parent. I'm thinking of version 1.2 and "mini me" :)
@Schneboll LOL It was the best analogy I had, I also would look at him as the next link in the chain of the circle of life. How is that? I love him dearly and would step in front of a bus without hesitation, to save him.
5:38 Valid that perhaps buying illegal drugs such as pot (though pot is suppose to be less harmful than even cigarettes), and thus committing the act of doing something illegal, may or may not desensitize you to breaking the law again and try other illegal drugs.
But I have to ask; do you honestly believe people respect that law that much?
Theft, battery assault, murder etc, people in general avoid for good reasons. But getting high on a substance, I think is not in the same category.
I tried being shouty and angry once, but because I've never really had shouty angriness in my home, I sucked at it and the other person laughed, then I laughed and said, "Sorry."
So yea, you learn from these things, good or bad, whatever it is, your brain is a sponge when you're young.
I totally agree with most. However, I do think some spanking is probably good. A quick attention getter as you mention. Later in childhood though i think other methods are better."god" knows I earned the ones I got. My son though got only a "handful" LOL He was a very good child and had almost no punishment at all ever.
Btw. he also helped "among other things" lead me to atheism. It was very tough to give up and took several years to fully realize and organize my new thoughts on life.
@pumpstations You spanked your son, and think it's good? Seems like unnecessary violence when all your son wanted and/or needed was some attention, no?
@Schneboll As I said a quick attention getter. I by no means actually hurt him, and as you have stated he wanted attention and he got it. I see it as "the hand on the hot stove". sometimes attention needs to be had right here, right now and a time out does not always do that. We later had a relationship where I could break him with just a look. Which also carried the negative impact for me of breaking my heart as well.
I am not endorsing abuse by any stretch of imagination.
@pumpstations Sounds like you got a sort of a "Cesar Millan" effect with the look part, but not quite all the way or lasting? Personally I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone got it right in their South Park episode entitled "Tsst". I guess as a parent you need to dominate sometimes.
After all we humans are pack animals right, and often most of us respond positive to a hierarchical relationship to peers.
@Schneboll Every other ape has that sort of social structure, at least that I've ever heard of. I'm not sure marmosets do. But then, marmoset there'd be days like this.
Cats rule
MisterTutor2010 2 months ago
I love what you have to say in this video.
Leaving religion was hard for me because my experience had been so positive. It took seeing the hardship of others in religion to shake me out of my Polyanna view.
Congrats on improving your reaction toward non-heterosexuals!
ReligiousFiction 10 months ago
if you sit for long periods of time with your knees crossed, do you get vicarious veins?
ReligionlessFAITH 11 months ago
@mrscooter711
Lol troll harder
TheFacelessHeathen 11 months ago
Are you trying to teach us something you seem to be going the long way around things trying to prove your intellect. As you said you have no expertise in this field.I respect your view and I expect the same in return. Tell me something I don't know and I may watch more of your stuff. Tell it from your own heart not some useless books we can read them ourself. Just a thought from my heart.
mrscooter711 11 months ago
@mrscooter711 I am not an expert in counseling, however psychology is a field I have studied to death on my own. I could easily be an academic on it. If you think books are useless I pity you. Books are life and the backbone of our thinking regardless of your faith. This part of the series 32-25 is specifically for people who are trying to overcome their fear of hell because they were raised by extremists who implanted the irrational fear as children.
anubis2814 11 months ago 4
@anubis2814 Thank you my friend this is the response I was hoping for, now you are on my planet. I hope you have taken something away from this very short conversation. We are not all well educated talk honestly and from the heart and I may believe you.
mrscooter711 11 months ago
@anubis2814 I am understanding things a bit better these day's. Sorry for my comment , I don't even remember making it I must have been a bit cranky Sorry again :O)
mrscooter711 10 months ago
@mrscooter711 Cognitive dissenence textbook. You are entitled to your own opinions. You are entitled to your own mechanisms. You are not, however, and I am sorry, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts. Anything out of your heart is opinion. If you don't like it, then don't believe it. Anything out of factual observations is not up for debate. Like it or not, you have to accept it is true.
devex12345 10 months ago
@devex12345 Thank you I have learnt a lot in 3 week's I have learnt I should shut up if I don't really understand or just ask questions .Thank's again :O)
mrscooter711 10 months ago
Where do you come up with this crap?
Kris246zl 11 months ago
"not being a psychologist, I wouldn't want to give any bad advice" -- so, if you were a psychologist, you would want to give some bad advice?
Sorry, sometimes I just can't resist.
Great video, man. I enjoy your material, keep up the good work!
Godlesspanther 11 months ago
Ah! I see you followed up on my recommendation for the Dawkins / Jill Myton interview. Great. That's quite an informative insight into the perils of childhood indoctrination and the emotional scars it leave on kids. I didn't get the religious abuse but my father was a bit of a tyrant with physical discipline. He used to say "I believe in applied psychology - applied liberally to the backside", so of course I have anger management issues and have to control vengeful impulses (even as a pacifist).
skepticoz 11 months ago
I have to say that marijuana is most definately not a gateway drug, that is an excuse for keeping it illegal. The violence associated with drug use is because its illegal. Just like human trafficking is an issue becuase prostitution is illegal. I know your argument is on the psychological views of behavior and not of drug use, but that is why the issue of legality needs to be exposed as a thought/behavior system. And no, I don't and never have smoked pot.
savageecho 11 months ago
@ymalmsteen887 There are genetic factors that that effect behaviours. Aggressiveness, fear responses, even basic temperament traits such as extroverts and introverts have a genetic factor. While the genetic factor doesn't necessarily determine the outcome it certainly effects it. Even food preferences have a genetic factor involved.
We aren't genetic automatons but genetics effect everything about us. Emotions are based in the physical body.
macnutz 11 months ago
@ymalmsteen87 Genetics play an important part with personality as well. Genetics determine the development of the brain, perhaps developing some areas in one person more than those in another. Think if the genes telling the body to develop the frontal lobe of the brain weren't present...that person would have no control over themselves. Your personality really is just the aggregate of several genetic traits interacting with their environment.
fatkat444 11 months ago
yeah... if bread were illegal, bread would be a gateway drug....
if marijuana was legal, it wouldn't be a gateway drug anymore.
i know you're not arguing about drugs here, but clearly there's something wrong with the gateway argument.
De4sher 11 months ago 12
@De4sher ...No, it is simply as you put it.
devex12345 10 months ago
this video is bullshit
Treefrogs2 11 months ago
@Treefrogs2 lol, what?
PainefulMass 11 months ago
I partially disagree with you. The way I see it, fundamentalist churches use both a combination of positive and negative reinforcement.
ShadowPa1adin 11 months ago 3
@ShadowPa1adin I would have to agree
anubis2814 11 months ago 3
You're wrong positive reinforcement is the adding of a stimuli spanking is a positive reinforcement you are adding a stimulant pain, negative reinforcement is the taking away of stimuli as in taking away something pleasurable like a privilege or even the removal of pain so get your psychology terms right before you make another video
nycwiseguy91 11 months ago
@nycwiseguy91 According to my 2009 psychology textbook, positive reinforcement is defined as: the reinforcement of a response by the addition of experiencing of pleasurable stimuli.
anubis2814 11 months ago 5
@anubis2814 Perhaps nycwiseguy considers a hard spanking pleasurable?
milkman5547 11 months ago
@nycwiseguy91 Perhaps learn to produce a coherent comment before commenting on another video.
fatkat444 11 months ago
@ymalmsteen887 That might well be the result of growing up playing a role dictated, however unconsciously, by your father. How did your mother and siblings respond to the environment?
This is complex stuff and there are lots of individual variants. I've spent my life rooting out and learning to control aspects of myself that were learned from my sadly dysfunctional parents.
Also, there are genetic factors that are hard to guess at. Tendencies that jump generations, etc.
macnutz 11 months ago
@GrudgyDiablo Yeah you're right, cause selling your child to advertisements is nothing to get worried about. I'm sure next we'll be encouraging them to sell their daughters into prostitution so they can get their meth for the day. I love your logic :P
MaskedBlazer7 11 months ago
Good stuff.
TheZombieAtheist 11 months ago
@anubis2814 5:40 The conclusion that the system is not credible regarding marijuana is a rational one however, regardless of whether you smoke it. So the idea that the substance itself acts as some kind of a "gateway" is erroneous. The irrational law is acting towards damaging and discrediting the system, not the substance. One danger of any clearly irrational law is just that. Each law should stand on its merits anyways, not needing to appeal to being part of the overall concept of "the law".
Dem212 11 months ago
Some people like spankings. Haven't you ever seen Exist to Eden?
anzwertree 11 months ago
@anzwertree Interestingly enough, according to a book I was reading I believe was called "Sex the users manual" 50% of Britain has a spanking fetish mainly because it was so widely used as punishment in schools.
anubis2814 11 months ago
Nice vid. I prefer positive reinforcement, myself. I find it to be more effective in general for children and adults. Negative reinforcement, for the most part, on myself has only resulted in me resenting the one(s) who apply it. As for children doing negative things to try to get attention, that really doesn't bother me too much. I think instead of necessarily punishing the child for such incidences it would be better to teach the child more positive ways of asking for it.
Jaybird196 11 months ago
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@Jaybird196
"Negative reinforcement, for the most part, on myself has only resulted in me resenting the one(s) who apply it"
- hmm? last time i checked negative reinforcement involved the removal of a negative stimuli (a form of passive reward), as opposed to punishment which involves the addition of a negative stimuli
types10000 2 months ago
im so glad that i had nothing but bad experiences in church as a child.
RaabBlog 11 months ago
watch?v=20Jcrk6jGfo
tiagom135 11 months ago
7:52
That wasn't real was it?
MaskedBlazer7 11 months ago
@MaskedBlazer7 I'm sure its henna, not permanent.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 That's still fucked up beyond words. How can that be legal to put any sort of drawings over your child without them being old enough to understand what they're doing. I can't believe how genetically fucked up in the head humans have become. There is no way that mother had that child with love, no loving mother would ever use their child as a living advertisement billboard. Probably got the cash from the advertisements and set him up for adoption just for the money. Disgusting.
MaskedBlazer7 11 months ago
@MaskedBlazer7 Um no this is a piece of art meant to point out the dangers of advertising.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 So they painted a bunch of advertisements on a child to show the dangers of advertisements? How... ironic?
That's like teaching the dangers of beating up homeless people by beating up homeless people and showing what happens :P
MaskedBlazer7 11 months ago
@MaskedBlazer7 What the hell do you think facepainting is? That's considered a very fun thing for kids. I'm sure if this wasn't photo shopped this baby didn't give a crap either way. Beating up a homeless person hurt someone art does not.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 How the fuck can you compare face painting to advertising body painting? With face painting the child understands what's going on, that he's going to resemble his favorite animal.... it's not like he's advertising for the whole tiger species or something. Face painting is about fun, clearly advertisement body painting is *for the parents* about greed. It's not about the baby caring or not, it's the damn backround meaning to it which is fucked up.
MaskedBlazer7 11 months ago
@MaskedBlazer7 I think you need to get the sand out of your butt, just sayin
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 I think you need to pick up a religion and join the heard of mindless idiots who can't say anything without sounding like a moronic, sexually frustrated... ahem... douche bag. I hope you don't have children, I really do. I cannot imagine the torture a child would have with a father who has the point of view that you do.
Especially one who uses the middle school "sand in the vagina/butt" comeback. Grow up.
Oh, and nice job avoiding the subject after I put you in a dead end.
/blocked
MaskedBlazer7 11 months ago
@MaskedBlazer7 If this child had actually been used for advertising it most certainly have been horrific. My Gf pointed out non- wrinkles that should be wrinkles showing it to be a photoshop. That fact that you are so over-sensitive that you are horrified that someone is making an art piece, to point out the awfulness of advertising (by pushing the idea to extreme in a fictional setting). Means you have issues with subtleties and satire. I and these people are extremely anti-advertising.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 I'm also sure that baby's don't know to care about being molested, because they don't understand it or know what the meaning behind it is. What you said pretty much told me that as long as the baby doesn't know or understand to "give a crap" then it doesn't matter. Please try to rephrase that.
MaskedBlazer7 11 months ago
@anubis2814 I'm pretty sure it's Photoshopped.
TheZombieAtheist 11 months ago
@MaskedBlazer7 , Looks like Photoshop to me.
Sekiryou2 11 months ago
Nice work.
socrates856 11 months ago
Your videos are great. You are awesome for taking the time to do this. It means a lot to those of us waking up and not having the time to do all the research required to logically connect all of the dots.
knightd00b 11 months ago
The idea that Marijuana is a gateway drug has been discredited over and over and over, though I do agree that the fact that it is illegal does breakdown the barrier of being afraid of illegal things.
christo930 11 months ago
I will have to look at the South Park episode. I never had a need the yelling as in the vid. I have always Tried to use the quote: "Do as I do" instead of "do as I say" This makes me have to walk the line as well.
I look at him as version 1.2 of me. I want to get as much good info as possible to him.
Yes, the pack leader thing is a good analogy also. I was only discussing the negative reinforcement. I have placed much more of the positive as I see him as "mini me" and want the best for him.
pumpstations 11 months ago
@pumpstations Yes, I see you look upon your son as naturally as can be, which I believe is a good sign of a good intending parent. I'm thinking of version 1.2 and "mini me" :)
Schneboll 11 months ago
@Schneboll LOL It was the best analogy I had, I also would look at him as the next link in the chain of the circle of life. How is that? I love him dearly and would step in front of a bus without hesitation, to save him.
pumpstations 11 months ago
5:38 Valid that perhaps buying illegal drugs such as pot (though pot is suppose to be less harmful than even cigarettes), and thus committing the act of doing something illegal, may or may not desensitize you to breaking the law again and try other illegal drugs.
But I have to ask; do you honestly believe people respect that law that much?
Theft, battery assault, murder etc, people in general avoid for good reasons. But getting high on a substance, I think is not in the same category.
Schneboll 11 months ago
I tried being shouty and angry once, but because I've never really had shouty angriness in my home, I sucked at it and the other person laughed, then I laughed and said, "Sorry."
So yea, you learn from these things, good or bad, whatever it is, your brain is a sponge when you're young.
CuriousMoth 11 months ago
I totally agree with most. However, I do think some spanking is probably good. A quick attention getter as you mention. Later in childhood though i think other methods are better."god" knows I earned the ones I got. My son though got only a "handful" LOL He was a very good child and had almost no punishment at all ever.
Btw. he also helped "among other things" lead me to atheism. It was very tough to give up and took several years to fully realize and organize my new thoughts on life.
pumpstations 11 months ago
@pumpstations You spanked your son, and think it's good? Seems like unnecessary violence when all your son wanted and/or needed was some attention, no?
Schneboll 11 months ago
@Schneboll As I said a quick attention getter. I by no means actually hurt him, and as you have stated he wanted attention and he got it. I see it as "the hand on the hot stove". sometimes attention needs to be had right here, right now and a time out does not always do that. We later had a relationship where I could break him with just a look. Which also carried the negative impact for me of breaking my heart as well.
I am not endorsing abuse by any stretch of imagination.
pumpstations 11 months ago
@pumpstations Sounds like you got a sort of a "Cesar Millan" effect with the look part, but not quite all the way or lasting? Personally I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone got it right in their South Park episode entitled "Tsst". I guess as a parent you need to dominate sometimes.
After all we humans are pack animals right, and often most of us respond positive to a hierarchical relationship to peers.
Schneboll 11 months ago
@Schneboll Every other ape has that sort of social structure, at least that I've ever heard of. I'm not sure marmosets do. But then, marmoset there'd be days like this.
GoblinXXX 11 months ago 2
@Schneboll Sorry, reply is above.
pumpstations 11 months ago