Both Hubbard and Crowley are avowedly anti-psychiatry. "Official psychoanalysis is therefore committed to upholding a fraud... psychoanalysts have misinterpreted life, and announced the absurdity that every human being is essentially an anti-social, criminal, and insane animal" (8) (Crowley). Hubbard considered that psychiatry controlled most of society and was struggling to create their own 1984 world. (9)
i knew john was an actor and pilot and father and husband, but must have missed where he attended medical school, so just maybe they were acting on advice from there doctors, or how about the meds he was on were not working, the brain is very tricky, so dont any one of you act like you know, truth is the loved that boy.
Interestingly, Jett was on medication (which did not work). However, even if Jett had medication that worked, he could still have died: when his Depakote worked, he still had seizures every three weeks. By that rationale, there is no connection with Scientology. I think many people here just don't know what they are talking about.
Also, as 'PleasePonderThis' said: Christianity and the Islam are just as bad if they are taken litteraly (which very little do). I believe it's the same with CoS.
I think many people here are not saying that Jett's life would have been saved with medications (although having fewer seizures surely would have improved his chances of survival). We are, rather, saddened by the fact that he was not allowed to live a fuller life as a result of his parents intentionally misdiagnosing a chronic illness. While we can never be certain what exactly was wrong with Jett, I believe with proper mental health care he could have lived a better life while he was with us.
Yes, but there is no cure for autism, which would mean that if they treated his possible autism (is there any proof at all?), he still would have a seizure disorder.
They also don't treat seizure disorders such as epilepsy (see user ToryMagoo44 for more info), and while you are so right that there is no cure for autism, there are therapies which can help improve the overall quality of life.
As you said, autism therapies can help improve the overall quality of life, but this still would not take away the seizures... so even if Travolta treated his possible autism in the regular way, this would not have stopped his son from having seizures - my point here is that Jett's mental health was of no importance in this case.
As far as I know, they do treat seizure disorders: this is neurological and not psychological or psychiatric...
Once again I refer you to youtube user ToryMagoo44, or search for "Tory Magoo" or "Tory Christman" on google. You will find a firsthand account of a woman who was in Scientology for years who was told she could not continue Scientology practices while taking medication for seizures.
I heard those rumors too, although they don't make much sense. His mother actively campaigns against the entire psychiatric industry and tells other mothers not to treat their childrens mental illnesses, so fro the stand point of Scientology treating him for seizures (which are not considered a physical illness) would be a bit hypocritical. They also said they only tried it for a little while and then gave up treating the seizures altogether, instead of switching to other options.
I have a mentally ill stepson. The facial expression, movement, look of confusion, dark circles under his eyes, etc. are all very familiar to me. No one can tell me that Jett is not mentally ill. He is probably bi-polar if not worse. The Travoltas are guilty of child abuse by not availing their son to the help he clearly needed. Medications could have given him a chance at a much fuller life. Shame on them.
mcneal04 Autism is not a mental illness, its a neurological disorder, but mental illness such as depression can be a side effect. It's hard for me to judge them though, my son was not diagnosed correctly until he was age 22 w/ Asperger's Syndrome. Believe me, many times the so-called professionals are more confused and in the dark than the parents are. Parents cannot be held accountable for not having the wherewithal to know everything about every illness and disorder , especially the rare ones.
Sadly, autism is not a terribly rare disorder in this day and age, although it remains a very difficult one to diagnose. What angers me is the parents clinging to a diagnosis that can easily be disproven: Kawasaki's Syndrome. While Jett may have suffered from this as a child, it does not cause seizures after the initial infection, nor does it cause any of the myriad other symptoms seen in Jett Travolta, such as the hand movements, social maladjustment, and muteness.
bluewiggirl I have read that John & Joey Travolta (his brother) had several heated discussions about Jett's diagnosis (or misdiagnosis). Actually, it is a blessing in disguise that both John and Kelly were in denial together, it actually makes for a happier marriage thus a stabler lifestyle for the children. I know from personal experience that me & my hubby's denial sustained us for the first 19 years of my son's life, but son fell apart when he got out of high school, & so did our marriage.
Clearly this boy had some developmental problems...I'd like to hope that he was getting all the help and treatment that was available to him under current medicine but I know his parents are DEVOUT $cientologi$t$ so they probably just repeatedly subjected him to toxic doses of vitamins and dangerously long and hot saunas...if he had some form of cognitive damage that kind of nonsense could have even made it worse...Child and Family Services U.S. really should do an intensive investigation.
Well one of Travolta's neighbours whom has a child of his own suffering from Autism stated that Jett, the few times he was outside, showed all the classic signs of it.
Despite the denial, the Travoltas clearly love both their children, and they look very close-knit, going everywhere together. They are not "hiding" Jett, they took him to Paris, the Bahamas... young Jett was quite the jet-setter!
No matter if they loved him, most stuff point to his death having been caused by an epileptic attack, and if you didn't know, scientologists don't believe in 'epilepsy' nor treating it with medicine.
I feel sorry for Jett, I do however not feel sorry for the Travolta's and if anything it should be investigated if they actually are suitable parents.
espark1089 My understanding too is that Scientology has nothing against treatment of seizures, and that stopping Jett's meds was a decision between parents and doctors only. Unfortunately, medicine is an art, not a science.
This is actually not true. Tory Christman (user: ToryMagoo44 on youtube) was in Scientology for years, and she was told that she needed to stop taking her medication for seizures by Church officials.
bluewiggirl That is definitely wrong for any Church officials to do. It's too bad Scientology does not recognize Psychiatry, there are plenty of people who have chemical imbalances that are helped by medication , and that has nothing to do with neurological disorders like autism.
Scientology is no more absurd than Christianity or Islam. Have you actually read the Bible? It is a fairy tale filled with superstitious nonsense written by ignorant men. Just like the Koran. Look at your own absurd religion before you bash Scientology. Please show just a little bit of respect and leave the Travoltas alone at this horrible time in their lives.
Some of us don't criticize their belief in scientology but their lack of belief in modern medicine. It is no secret how Scientology views neurological disorders and it is no secret how the Travolta's felt about kids being "over" medicated.
By the way, the Bible is the number one selling book year after year after year. There must be a bunch of twisted souls out there that keep purchasing this piece of fiction, yes?
if is true that they give him medication do to the Scientology believes they should burn in hell both of them I would had sneak in the pill to my kid seizure can be control my friend takes 2 pills aday he hasnt had a seizure since he was 7 years when they found out he was autistic they thought he was mute but after the pill is he regular kid!
the scientology cover up begins. Mr. and Mrs. Travolta are members of an evil dangerous cult, scientology. They are told not even to take an aspirin. There son is just another victim of a cult that is being thrown out of Germany, France, Spain, and Australia. Wise up America this is not a religion, it is organized crime!
It would be a far better tribute to his life if they had the bravery to stand up to Scientology once & for all & say they were proud of their autistic son.
Such a truly sad loss & one that will strike other families until the day that someone says enough! There is no shame in disability, only in the 'church' whose teachings deny it.
Sad that such seemingly good people have rejected Jesus first and foremost. His parents would not be in Heaven were it them who had passed away but Jett IS now in Heaven. (That was hard to say b/c I have a son named Jett too)
why is rejecting jusus sad. and if heaven exists you dont have to beleave in jesus to go. were did the people go before Jesus and the religion existed?
Before God sent Jesus to die for our sins, the people on earth made sacrifices for Him. The people who chose not to give God their safrifices were not 'saved'. Jesus WAS the ultimate sacrifice though.
So heartbreaking. My five year old autistic son has very similiar facial expressions as Jett. The Travoltas have been brainwashed at the cost of this beautiful boy. God bless Jett he is now without judgement. R.I.P.
i agrea that most meds are unneeded and alot of problems can be cured with natural things. but how can inelegant people believe things like Scientology (and all religion) especially one that was invented be i scifi writer that did it for profit. it would be like Steven king making starting a church based on the shinning or something. but i guess its just a cool celebrity fad like adopting a brown kid.
Kelly preston is the most beautiful woman I'v ever seen
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Both Hubbard and Crowley are avowedly anti-psychiatry. "Official psychoanalysis is therefore committed to upholding a fraud... psychoanalysts have misinterpreted life, and announced the absurdity that every human being is essentially an anti-social, criminal, and insane animal" (8) (Crowley). Hubbard considered that psychiatry controlled most of society and was struggling to create their own 1984 world. (9)
KittyKatSpanker 2 years ago
XENU
herbalthaternation 2 years ago
Rest In Peace Jett.
noconfusion25 2 years ago 6
i knew john was an actor and pilot and father and husband, but must have missed where he attended medical school, so just maybe they were acting on advice from there doctors, or how about the meds he was on were not working, the brain is very tricky, so dont any one of you act like you know, truth is the loved that boy.
glsgreg 3 years ago
Interestingly, Jett was on medication (which did not work). However, even if Jett had medication that worked, he could still have died: when his Depakote worked, he still had seizures every three weeks. By that rationale, there is no connection with Scientology. I think many people here just don't know what they are talking about.
Also, as 'PleasePonderThis' said: Christianity and the Islam are just as bad if they are taken litteraly (which very little do). I believe it's the same with CoS.
Emmalala123 3 years ago
I think many people here are not saying that Jett's life would have been saved with medications (although having fewer seizures surely would have improved his chances of survival). We are, rather, saddened by the fact that he was not allowed to live a fuller life as a result of his parents intentionally misdiagnosing a chronic illness. While we can never be certain what exactly was wrong with Jett, I believe with proper mental health care he could have lived a better life while he was with us.
bluewiggirl 3 years ago
Bluewiggirl: Mental health care? Are you talking about the autism rumors? Jett didn't die of autism...
Emmalala123 2 years ago
Reports indicate that he died of a seizure, and seizure disorders are frequently linked to autism.
bluewiggirl 2 years ago
Yes, but there is no cure for autism, which would mean that if they treated his possible autism (is there any proof at all?), he still would have a seizure disorder.
Emmalala123 2 years ago
They also don't treat seizure disorders such as epilepsy (see user ToryMagoo44 for more info), and while you are so right that there is no cure for autism, there are therapies which can help improve the overall quality of life.
bluewiggirl 2 years ago
As you said, autism therapies can help improve the overall quality of life, but this still would not take away the seizures... so even if Travolta treated his possible autism in the regular way, this would not have stopped his son from having seizures - my point here is that Jett's mental health was of no importance in this case.
As far as I know, they do treat seizure disorders: this is neurological and not psychological or psychiatric...
Emmalala123 2 years ago
Once again I refer you to youtube user ToryMagoo44, or search for "Tory Magoo" or "Tory Christman" on google. You will find a firsthand account of a woman who was in Scientology for years who was told she could not continue Scientology practices while taking medication for seizures.
bluewiggirl 2 years ago
Sorry for not going to ToryMagoo44 before I responded the last time, I was in a hurry, but still should have looked before I replied.
I have actually heard rumors that Jett was on Depakote though, which is also an anti-seizure medication.
Emmalala123 2 years ago
I heard those rumors too, although they don't make much sense. His mother actively campaigns against the entire psychiatric industry and tells other mothers not to treat their childrens mental illnesses, so fro the stand point of Scientology treating him for seizures (which are not considered a physical illness) would be a bit hypocritical. They also said they only tried it for a little while and then gave up treating the seizures altogether, instead of switching to other options.
bluewiggirl 2 years ago
No proof he has seizures at all. No link of Kawasaki long term side effects and Seizures.
What if he didn't have seizures?
Why did he have a casket for the press to see when they really had him cremated? Why hide the cremation?
How can you not notice someone in the bathroom for over 11 hours?
TYfm4000 2 years ago
I have a mentally ill stepson. The facial expression, movement, look of confusion, dark circles under his eyes, etc. are all very familiar to me. No one can tell me that Jett is not mentally ill. He is probably bi-polar if not worse. The Travoltas are guilty of child abuse by not availing their son to the help he clearly needed. Medications could have given him a chance at a much fuller life. Shame on them.
mcneal04 3 years ago
mcneal04 Autism is not a mental illness, its a neurological disorder, but mental illness such as depression can be a side effect. It's hard for me to judge them though, my son was not diagnosed correctly until he was age 22 w/ Asperger's Syndrome. Believe me, many times the so-called professionals are more confused and in the dark than the parents are. Parents cannot be held accountable for not having the wherewithal to know everything about every illness and disorder , especially the rare ones.
Yankhadenough 3 years ago
Sadly, autism is not a terribly rare disorder in this day and age, although it remains a very difficult one to diagnose. What angers me is the parents clinging to a diagnosis that can easily be disproven: Kawasaki's Syndrome. While Jett may have suffered from this as a child, it does not cause seizures after the initial infection, nor does it cause any of the myriad other symptoms seen in Jett Travolta, such as the hand movements, social maladjustment, and muteness.
bluewiggirl 3 years ago
bluewiggirl I have read that John & Joey Travolta (his brother) had several heated discussions about Jett's diagnosis (or misdiagnosis). Actually, it is a blessing in disguise that both John and Kelly were in denial together, it actually makes for a happier marriage thus a stabler lifestyle for the children. I know from personal experience that me & my hubby's denial sustained us for the first 19 years of my son's life, but son fell apart when he got out of high school, & so did our marriage.
Yankhadenough 3 years ago
Clearly this boy had some developmental problems...I'd like to hope that he was getting all the help and treatment that was available to him under current medicine but I know his parents are DEVOUT $cientologi$t$ so they probably just repeatedly subjected him to toxic doses of vitamins and dangerously long and hot saunas...if he had some form of cognitive damage that kind of nonsense could have even made it worse...Child and Family Services U.S. really should do an intensive investigation.
armourdog 3 years ago
Well one of Travolta's neighbours whom has a child of his own suffering from Autism stated that Jett, the few times he was outside, showed all the classic signs of it.
Gargantou 3 years ago
Despite the denial, the Travoltas clearly love both their children, and they look very close-knit, going everywhere together. They are not "hiding" Jett, they took him to Paris, the Bahamas... young Jett was quite the jet-setter!
Yankhadenough 3 years ago
No matter if they loved him, most stuff point to his death having been caused by an epileptic attack, and if you didn't know, scientologists don't believe in 'epilepsy' nor treating it with medicine.
I feel sorry for Jett, I do however not feel sorry for the Travolta's and if anything it should be investigated if they actually are suitable parents.
Gargantou 3 years ago
As I understand it they believe on in treating seizures though... So I don't understand why he wasn't medicated...
espark1089 3 years ago
espark1089 My understanding too is that Scientology has nothing against treatment of seizures, and that stopping Jett's meds was a decision between parents and doctors only. Unfortunately, medicine is an art, not a science.
Yankhadenough 3 years ago
This is actually not true. Tory Christman (user: ToryMagoo44 on youtube) was in Scientology for years, and she was told that she needed to stop taking her medication for seizures by Church officials.
bluewiggirl 3 years ago
bluewiggirl That is definitely wrong for any Church officials to do. It's too bad Scientology does not recognize Psychiatry, there are plenty of people who have chemical imbalances that are helped by medication , and that has nothing to do with neurological disorders like autism.
Yankhadenough 3 years ago
Way to go, scientology... another precious life lost because of religious belief...
shanelizard 3 years ago
Scientology is no more absurd than Christianity or Islam. Have you actually read the Bible? It is a fairy tale filled with superstitious nonsense written by ignorant men. Just like the Koran. Look at your own absurd religion before you bash Scientology. Please show just a little bit of respect and leave the Travoltas alone at this horrible time in their lives.
PleasePonderThis 3 years ago
Some of us don't criticize their belief in scientology but their lack of belief in modern medicine. It is no secret how Scientology views neurological disorders and it is no secret how the Travolta's felt about kids being "over" medicated.
By the way, the Bible is the number one selling book year after year after year. There must be a bunch of twisted souls out there that keep purchasing this piece of fiction, yes?
clctah 3 years ago
anony I total agree with you
brlaranjo 3 years ago
if is true that they give him medication do to the Scientology believes they should burn in hell both of them I would had sneak in the pill to my kid seizure can be control my friend takes 2 pills aday he hasnt had a seizure since he was 7 years when they found out he was autistic they thought he was mute but after the pill is he regular kid!
Amnesiacmidnitetoker 3 years ago
jesus=trig palin
l.ron=jett travolta
bigfoot is the answer!
TimBierman10C 3 years ago
the scientology cover up begins. Mr. and Mrs. Travolta are members of an evil dangerous cult, scientology. They are told not even to take an aspirin. There son is just another victim of a cult that is being thrown out of Germany, France, Spain, and Australia. Wise up America this is not a religion, it is organized crime!
PEA1211 3 years ago 6
It would be a far better tribute to his life if they had the bravery to stand up to Scientology once & for all & say they were proud of their autistic son.
Such a truly sad loss & one that will strike other families until the day that someone says enough! There is no shame in disability, only in the 'church' whose teachings deny it.
Anonymiaow 3 years ago 12
Rest in peace Jett
CindyPDX 3 years ago 2
Kelly Preston still looks good.
PackedFunk 3 years ago
Is that his son that died? How many kids does he have? I really hope what I heard isn't true. I like John travolta.
diah4 3 years ago
no he only have 1 a girl called Ella, is son jett the big kid in the video is dead =/
teresaGT 3 years ago
Yes, that is his son Jett being held and guided. Together, John and Kelly had two children. The film was from Nov 2007 when in Paris.
CindyPDX 3 years ago
we are all with you john.. we feel the same as u do... RIP jett!
charlieking100 3 years ago
Sad that such seemingly good people have rejected Jesus first and foremost. His parents would not be in Heaven were it them who had passed away but Jett IS now in Heaven. (That was hard to say b/c I have a son named Jett too)
itsmelodie 3 years ago
why is rejecting jusus sad. and if heaven exists you dont have to beleave in jesus to go. were did the people go before Jesus and the religion existed?
timsperts 3 years ago
Before God sent Jesus to die for our sins, the people on earth made sacrifices for Him. The people who chose not to give God their safrifices were not 'saved'. Jesus WAS the ultimate sacrifice though.
itsmelodie 2 years ago
So heartbreaking. My five year old autistic son has very similiar facial expressions as Jett. The Travoltas have been brainwashed at the cost of this beautiful boy. God bless Jett he is now without judgement. R.I.P.
swanidol 3 years ago 12
RIP Jett! I feel so sad for them. Scientology needs to start making some changes. Because there are some cases where meds are needed.
vitamines just don't cut it. That is just one of many things that need to change. Because that poor kid didn't deserve to lose his life at all.
ISUPPORTANON 3 years ago 2
i agrea that most meds are unneeded and alot of problems can be cured with natural things. but how can inelegant people believe things like Scientology (and all religion) especially one that was invented be i scifi writer that did it for profit. it would be like Steven king making starting a church based on the shinning or something. but i guess its just a cool celebrity fad like adopting a brown kid.
timsperts 3 years ago
$cientology doesn't allow the use of anti-seizure medication...
ericcartman321 3 years ago
Rest in peace, Jeff Travolta! You'll be missed!
SuspendedSwish 3 years ago
R.I.P JEFF
kr13t3n 3 years ago
so sad :(
NJRipeStrawberry 3 years ago 2
This is so sad, he should have gotten the treatment he desperately needed.
phrenological 3 years ago 7
If he was autistic and the parents didn't do anything about it to help him through therapies, shame on them. They will be judged.
God called this angel Jett very soon.
martanavarrete 3 years ago 7
His faceial recognition seems kinda slow seen in this video.
jankinsanon 3 years ago
Looks like Jett had autism, why does a 16 year old need to hold hands with his dad. A normal 16 year old would be creeped the hell out.
jankinsanon 3 years ago 5
he looks weird no single smile always holdin hands like litle boy
jillsofi 3 years ago
Goodbye dear Jett.
AnonymousLies 3 years ago
R.I.P Jeff Travolta :( I feel so sad for them
mimilala89 3 years ago