A very common question, but doesn't address the specs of the 50-50 Box.
Sure, the box purrs at 10 Amps; all day long. But the rate of gas production is a function of a whole other set of variables:
-cell design (many variables here)
-grade of water (impurity level)
-use of electrolyte/coil?
- wind direction (kidding)
The point is that it's not a particular parameter of the box's specs that determines whether your rig will produce gas efficiently. It's the box's control. : ]
Now if you could build me something that will maintain a voltage of 14 and not exceed 15 amps and be slaved to control temp then I'll buy one. Similar to the VMU.
Well... the VMU is digital. This is analog, so one controlling the other isn't such an easy deal.
I'm also getting the impression, based on your voltage spec, that you have vehicular application in mind. If so, then cooling isn't an issue - ambient air whipping past should be more than enough.
Finally, using the gating part of the box's circuitry is the answer to controlling the amperage. One can easily cut the power by, say, as much as 50% using only one knob. Excellent control over amps.
And voltage will be a factor of whatever you're supplying to the box. If your batteries/alternator don't dip, then neither will the voltage in your cell. And water doesn't know the diff between 12 and 14 volts, really.
As far as slaving goes, it's pretty easy to hook yourself up a temperature trip that will turn off the system until temp drops enough. But I think that's a little extreme for something as low power level as this.
I see you dumping power in to the cell. My under standing is that meyers only used 2-3 amps tuned it and then stepped up the voltage. he then adjusted a veriable coil to increase output.
You have a keen eye. Quite right that I'm not using a coil in the demonstration.
Your understanding is almost correct. Meyer made claims in his patent work of using the second coil as the thing to do the tuning with - changing the inductive value which in turn affects the net resonant frequency in the entire circuit. Voltage is already stepped up when doing the tuning, as inductance is the last variable in the circuit.
Here are the first two reasons why I don't use a coil in the demo video:
I want to show that the box will handle easily the amount of power that one might want to run through it as a part of one's own design (that it can be used for larger resonant circuits). With no coil in the circuit, resistance plummets, allowing tons more amps to flow, given the same WFC specs.
Secondly, I build much larger coils, in a different form factor than the one Meyer shows in his .pdf's. Not something that I want to show off in a public demo. But I do consult on it. : ]
Ohhhh.... I think you're asking for an efficiency figure there...
millilitres per minute per watt?
Although I show a Stone-7 electrode in the video, I only show it to indicate the rough magnitude of power level that the box can easily handle. I actually didn't use a coil for that shot; just wanted to show that it's possible to safely pump tons of amps through it. Sorry if it seems like I might be trying to pull something sneaky there.
I didn't see a price anywhere on your website; what do they go for?
This may also sound a little insensitive, but I've done a lot of research in prototyping HHO fuel cell design and have no interest in the dry cell layout.
Even you point out a few of the design flaws (to do with leaks and short circuits) in your video on how to put one together.
So I don't think swapping one of those is in our future.
If you have other stuff that could be traded instead, email me.
We're talkin' 'bout resonance in general, here, and design considerations that have to do with pulse control.
Perhaps, down the road some, I may indeed give you a figure regarding how much I can get from something like a standard Meyer pipe or even a Stone-7 setup done in resonance; but, this week, I'm addressing post production of the footage I shot for HHOforVolts's question about the use of a bifilar coil and what resonance looks like.
Well... these days, there are people who pay money for that kind of information, since there are so many variables involved.
One particular variable that I noticed in your videos has to do with the resistive/inductive values of your coil, relative to the capacitive value of your cell (in operation), and how much heat you're generating.
I'm thinkin' that the geometric formulae used in coil construction should help you tighten up your magnitudes across the circuit.
I also liked your idea of probing using a capacitor in series to your soundcard; I'm gonna whip one of those up right away and test it.
In response to your request, if all goes well in the next while, I will get up to putting a little something together which shows what resonance looks like on the scope, using my new box and a bifilar coil.
what is LPM with 10Amp?
shoaibmunir 1 year ago
Hi Shebby,
A very common question, but doesn't address the specs of the 50-50 Box.
Sure, the box purrs at 10 Amps; all day long. But the rate of gas production is a function of a whole other set of variables:
-cell design (many variables here)
-grade of water (impurity level)
-use of electrolyte/coil?
- wind direction (kidding)
The point is that it's not a particular parameter of the box's specs that determines whether your rig will produce gas efficiently. It's the box's control. : ]
ManOfStone604 1 year ago
hi
thanks for your answer i agree with you but i just want to know what is your cell production in LPM? with the rate of 10 Amp.
best regards,
shebby
shoaibmunir 1 year ago
Now if you could build me something that will maintain a voltage of 14 and not exceed 15 amps and be slaved to control temp then I'll buy one. Similar to the VMU.
caboflyguy 2 years ago
Well... the VMU is digital. This is analog, so one controlling the other isn't such an easy deal.
I'm also getting the impression, based on your voltage spec, that you have vehicular application in mind. If so, then cooling isn't an issue - ambient air whipping past should be more than enough.
Finally, using the gating part of the box's circuitry is the answer to controlling the amperage. One can easily cut the power by, say, as much as 50% using only one knob. Excellent control over amps.
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
And voltage will be a factor of whatever you're supplying to the box. If your batteries/alternator don't dip, then neither will the voltage in your cell. And water doesn't know the diff between 12 and 14 volts, really.
As far as slaving goes, it's pretty easy to hook yourself up a temperature trip that will turn off the system until temp drops enough. But I think that's a little extreme for something as low power level as this.
Shall I build you one then?
PM me to finalize specs and price.
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
I see you dumping power in to the cell. My under standing is that meyers only used 2-3 amps tuned it and then stepped up the voltage. he then adjusted a veriable coil to increase output.
lick4lust 2 years ago
You have a keen eye. Quite right that I'm not using a coil in the demonstration.
Your understanding is almost correct. Meyer made claims in his patent work of using the second coil as the thing to do the tuning with - changing the inductive value which in turn affects the net resonant frequency in the entire circuit. Voltage is already stepped up when doing the tuning, as inductance is the last variable in the circuit.
Here are the first two reasons why I don't use a coil in the demo video:
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
I want to show that the box will handle easily the amount of power that one might want to run through it as a part of one's own design (that it can be used for larger resonant circuits). With no coil in the circuit, resistance plummets, allowing tons more amps to flow, given the same WFC specs.
Secondly, I build much larger coils, in a different form factor than the one Meyer shows in his .pdf's. Not something that I want to show off in a public demo. But I do consult on it. : ]
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
So... would you like me to build you one?
Feel more than free to PM me.
Much thanks (for your observation and question),
Stone
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
exiting stuff!
got mmw's?
hhotechnology 2 years ago
Why thank you.
Shall I build one for you, then. : ]
Uhh... got what?
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
Ohhhh.... I think you're asking for an efficiency figure there...
millilitres per minute per watt?
Although I show a Stone-7 electrode in the video, I only show it to indicate the rough magnitude of power level that the box can easily handle. I actually didn't use a coil for that shot; just wanted to show that it's possible to safely pump tons of amps through it. Sorry if it seems like I might be trying to pull something sneaky there.
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
yes yes, it looks like a cool box you are building, thing is does it improve effiniancy? i might be interested to swap for one of my dry cells....
cheers
hhotechnology 2 years ago
The box's raison d'etre, simply put, is to increase the power going to the cell without spending more at the front end of the circuit.
That's what resonance is all about, my man. : ]
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
I didn't see a price anywhere on your website; what do they go for?
This may also sound a little insensitive, but I've done a lot of research in prototyping HHO fuel cell design and have no interest in the dry cell layout.
Even you point out a few of the design flaws (to do with leaks and short circuits) in your video on how to put one together.
So I don't think swapping one of those is in our future.
If you have other stuff that could be traded instead, email me.
Or just order one. : ]
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
We're talkin' 'bout resonance in general, here, and design considerations that have to do with pulse control.
Perhaps, down the road some, I may indeed give you a figure regarding how much I can get from something like a standard Meyer pipe or even a Stone-7 setup done in resonance; but, this week, I'm addressing post production of the footage I shot for HHOforVolts's question about the use of a bifilar coil and what resonance looks like.
It's all about the box, baby. : ]
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
In your next video, can you show how to find the resonance point of the cell?
hhoforvolts 2 years ago
Well... these days, there are people who pay money for that kind of information, since there are so many variables involved.
One particular variable that I noticed in your videos has to do with the resistive/inductive values of your coil, relative to the capacitive value of your cell (in operation), and how much heat you're generating.
I'm thinkin' that the geometric formulae used in coil construction should help you tighten up your magnitudes across the circuit.
ManOfStone604 2 years ago
I also liked your idea of probing using a capacitor in series to your soundcard; I'm gonna whip one of those up right away and test it.
In response to your request, if all goes well in the next while, I will get up to putting a little something together which shows what resonance looks like on the scope, using my new box and a bifilar coil.
And thanks for the bitchin' rating. : ]
ManOfStone604 2 years ago