@joecane6340 You've quoted Isaiah accurately. But what is the Hebrew word for evil, and what does it mean as compared to our modern-day English translation of it? I actually don't know, but it's worth researching.
@davidholman48 Supposedly it translates into several different words. The modern day translation chose the word that was least "evil" and put it in the verse. They are using "calamity" now.
fantastic explanation of evil, I have come to understand evil as a description of the free will actions that oppose or step outside of the character and nature of God. Evil is def. not an object that is summoned but a state of rebellion against God's will and nature.
@servant714 nice if that explanation worked for you, but wait... if god is almighty and there is this "evil" which is actually a lack of good, how does that go together?
why can't he fix that? why doesn't he want to fix that?
saying that evil is just the absence of good doesn't solve the problem. it just shifts it a few inches.
@schmui He did and does want to fix it. His answer was and is Jesus. Jesus is God the Son completely and a man completely- the hypostatic union. Jesus is God 100%. Jesus is man 100%. God the Son became a man because he needed to make up, or atone for the sins of humanity. No one who was simply a man or a woman could say, "Hey, I'll make up for the sins of humanity and it'll all be good." God therefore sent HIMSELF- a sign of His mercy- to the earth to make up for sin. Jesus dying on the cross
@schmui allowed for sins to be forgiven and humanity could once again be with God in heaven. Now this event wasn't a ticket to do whatever you want because it's all good since Jesus died for sin. You as an individual must take note of the fact that heaven is now achievable and strive for it. To be allowed to enter into heaven after doing any evil acts because Jesus came and opened heaven up would breech free will. God wants you to seek Him out yourself. The Catholic Church is the guide
@schmui created by Jesus, to help you achieve heaven. Whether or not you believe this schmui, this is the Catholic answer to your question. Thanks. Sorry if this reposts, it said that there was an error in posting so I tried a few times.
@scottishrunner14 sorry, but i read "created by Jesus" and had to laugh so hard. i know, if i'm wrong i'm pretty much fucked. well, not that much since i'm not a complete asshole and might have the glimpse of a chance to go to heaven.
well, but if YOU are wrong, you spent your life doing nothing but dedicating it to super-santaclause.
yeah but thanks for telling me all this stuff although i didn't read it. ...just too crazy and fucked up :)
@schmui Haha I guess "founded by" would have been a better way of phrasing it. And you are true: that either of us is wrong. I simply feel that, through history, testimonies, personal research, and logical thinking (which may seem crazy to an atheist!) that Jesus was not a liar. Thanks for the responce!
What about earthquakes and volcanoes? What about animals feed on other animals? Saying that God knows the unseen, he would have known that Man would suffer. I'm totally convinced that there's a creator. However, no one knows the reason behind the creation and the suffering! Evil does exist, it's a matter of fact. It doesn't have to do with our will as human. Watch a Lion Hunts Zebra on you tube and tell me where is the goodness in it!
@MsSeeker4ever The reason behind creation and suffering is that God does everything that brings Himself the most glory as he is the only one deserving praise. And neither is he cruel in letting suffering happen because he brings redemption for all but some reject that redemption that he offers freely. And evil exists, but only as the absence of good just as a pothole is the absence of road.
If it is impossible for God to do an evil act, then he shouldn't be called a "god". Not being able to create evil is a restriction. If God has restrictions, is he really a god?
Saying that God can never fail to do everything good is also illogical, because that would mean that nothing is definitely good or evil. If God were to say murder is wrong, as he does, then him saying murder is wrong would be a good thing. However, if he chooses to say murder is good, then that would also be a good thing as well, because God is apparently incapable of doing anything but good. So, there can be no true good or evil, because something evil can then become good.
@GoldenAxeArcade I'm afraid to say that there is a problem with your thinking. Good is not what God says is good but how God is. It is based on his character and not what he says is good. Otherwise what you are saying would be true.
Or would you rather be filled with the guilt and the hopeless, the frustrations, the angers, the jealousies, of the world's manufactured "god" faiths? Would you not consider that you and your brother are of The All, and that knowing this you should put aside all quarrel, learn well from the mistakes of mankind, turn your eyes to the celestial heavens and begin to dream as to how we, The All, may begin to till and prosper The All? Want to know of Heaven, of Truth? Try Youtube: Acker Bilk + Aria.
@MagenticAdam66 That's a long way to say "fight the power", with a hint of "good and evil are illusions". And your answer is pantheism with some hedonism. What caused the fall of MAN? Same thing, wanting to become God. But then that's what you're suggesting, that man is in a way god, with nothing but the sky above him. Now if we exist in "Light/Dark, Creation/Destruction, Life/Death", is this the right state of man? Well then "good" doesn't deserve it's own name, it's just an equal to evil.
@WarPig15 Take heed, WarPig: cogitations of mine mulled upon this webpage are not those of a person wishing to set-up a counter faith. By your wish, should I desist my free will, and gullibly accept the words of a manual printed by men in the world of men, which among many, many infactual declarations, also declares that biblical god promised to make one of the world's minority-most sects, the Israelites, "more numerous than the stars of heaven"? Perhaps he confused them with the Chinese?
@WarPig15 The mainstay of the bible is supposed prophecy. When such is examined closely, it is all rather vague ~ splatter the general area, rather than nail the target. For instance, today, Jews are preparing tabernacle items for the temple of Solomon rebuild, whilst Iran is definitely preparing for the Mahdi's return, as are Christians doing all they may, to prepare for the coming of Christ. In effect, all of these sects are actually manipulating current events to fulfill relevant prophecy.
@WarPig15 An example of "vague" biblical prophecy is the Revelations 200-million-man army. This was prophesised by a member of a sect which has maintained a history of conflict with many other peoples from day dot. All the "prophet" had to do, was to extrapolate populations increases forward many generations to "imagine" the possible resultant scenario. It should also be carefully noted that "biblical god" is to begin to destroy this vast army by slaughtering it's horses! A modern army indeed!
@WarPig15 Further upon this requirement that prophecy should be seen to "nail the target" rather than be so generalised as to "hit by splatter" ~ a curious event has occured in my life which, should you be polite enough to believe me upon it, illustrates that which is "perfect prophesy". In 1966, after my Mum won a motza on the Oz Melbourne Cup, at 10, I dreamt the name of the trainer, and the name of his horse which would go on to win the same Cup 45 years later! The trainer was the '66 winner!
@WarPig15 And lastly, a little more about that curious fulfilled dream of mine. The horse trainer was a man now called "The Cups King", Bart Cummings, having won 12 Melbourne Cups ~ Australia's premier horse race. In 1966, the year of my dream, he won with a horse called, strangely, "Gallilee". Some 45 years later, this decade (I can't nail the exact year off the top of my head), he again won with a horse foretold by me, appropriately named "Viewed"! Neat hey? Had anything similar?
When you realize the full extent of that great TRUTH you will also understand that all life/death, all creation/destruction, and all energies pertaining thereto are active and in place and relevent to any point in time. Why then, would you wish to kill another, or destory any life or matter unnecessarily? Are you not connected to The All, and is not all else also of The All. Are you not then your brother, and he also you? Are you not the tree, the sea? Wouldst thou continue to rape Mother Earth?
Here is great TRUTH: Each of us of the 7 billion of us is THE ONLY TRUELY KNOWN INDIVIDUAL TO THE EACH OF US! Stand alone upon a hill under a vast, clear night sky, and realize that thru the ONLY KNOWN VOID OF FACE IN THE WORLD ~ YOUR OWN, you connect to the cosmos, all nature, all life, all men, and become IN THE ALL, AND OF THE ALL! You shall also see that you exist within Light/Dark, Creation/Destruction, Life/Death. Why would you abbrogate this knowledge in favor of a paperback messiah?
Which are facets of the purported Satan's agenda? To become as a god, to usurp the True God; to destroy man & creation! How must such a being begin to institute himself as the "alternative, yet false, god"? Would he, for instance, be hanging invisibly about the doorways of pubs and brothels, or would it be more likely that he would be constituting for himself a great deceit ~ a deceit so well-crafted, that it shall deceive not only the very elect, but MOST OF MANKIND? Bibles, Qurans, anyone?
Which is the number one rule for successful campaign/warfare? DIVIDE & CONQUER! What is the end-purpose behind the multitude of world faiths? DIVIDE & CONQUER! How would you convince a majority percentage of mankind to utilize greed, environmental destruction upon his only-known available habitat, his vital and integral support system, HIS MOTHER EARTH, without regard for other life, including future-man generations? PROMISE OF A GOD-RENEWED HABITAT! What is Satan's purpose? DESTROY MAN & EARTH!
Why is it that the Truth of Cosmos may be readily seen by ANYONE (although mysteries will always exist) in physics, stars, planets, trees, earth, wind, water, ethers and fire, animal, tree and sea; whilst the bible is self-confessed deliberately arcane ~ subject only to "priestly" decipherments? Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, agnositic or orthodox, are considered each, "evil" by the others, and warring subgroups exist in all of the faiths ~ Oh, great and infallible planning, "biblical god"!
To abandon TRUTH is to abandon all worth of existence, not only of yourself, but of all other things, material or abstract. To not apply the test of TRUTH to the bible, before blithely swallowing it chapter and verse, is in effect an abandonment of TRUTH. Indeniable, indestructible and COMPLETE biblical truth? I've never once found it ~ tho it is obviously manufactured about SOME Truth. Ahh, but the most-stunningly-clever deceits are always red-herringed upon "useful" elements of Truth ~ yes?
TRUTH, once lighted, requires no testiment of itself, for Truth is impervious to manipulation, destruction, or twist ~ Truth is so intrinsically pure, that it is UNDOUBTABLE, INDESTRUCTIBLE. A talking snake, most subtil beast of the field, tempts man, and is stripped of legs to crawl eternally upon belly? Yet Satan ambles up to have a yarn and a bet with god to test Job? Apply the bloody obvious rules/natures of REAL TRUTH to that please, before you would have it shoved down my neck as "Truth".
For Germans knowledgeable of Hitler's real agenda, it was imperative to endorse a "spiritual" pact with him that endorsed "undesirables of mankind" to genocide. To go against this pact, would have led to your own bodily demise. To obtain your OWN messianic salvation, one must "spiritually endorse biblical ??Truth??" that most of your fellow mankind is worth less than shit, fit only for eternal spiritual burning ~ otherwise consign yourself also! What the fark is the difference here, hmmmm?
TRUE GOD MUST BE THE ALL, THE ONLY HARMONIC BALANCE of Light/Dark, Creation/Destruction ~ in essences "Good/Evil". To man, free will to devote his INDESTRUCTIBLE spiritual energy to the Light or the Dark ~ and The Cosmic All, has need of all energies, Light&Dark. Rewards/spiritual positions are commensurate with your choosing. Are "darkly vengeful" biblical god, & his "cuddly redemptive" son, but HALF THE WHOLE, masquerading FALSELY, as THE ALL? Does Satan peddle the Bible, or hang about pubs?
I've referred to this on other of your vids ~ god created the venus fly trap ~ a beautiful orchid employing "natural deceit" to ensare insects. Ditto stalking lions, ditto trap-door spiders . . . ditto, ditto, ditto, et el. Who created pain (abstract sensation caused by material nerval function)? Who created death & darkness ~ God or Satan? Who created sadness and woe? Bible god" "I shall bring great evil upon thee"; "I am a jealous, envious, god"; "I am The All ~ NOTHING exists without me!"
Complete gobbledegook, old mate! God is The All, and not even an abstraction, such as the hole in the doughnut, or for that matter evil, may exist without his auspices. What EXACTLY, is thought, buddy? Thought is an "abstract energy" born of a material brain, which in turn houses the abstract mind, which in turn combines with life energy, creating individual soul ~ the real you! As exists necessary voids (spaces) between words, there are necessary spaces & abstracts in THE ALL!
So, man created evil? That means man can create something god can't. Interesting. So we're able to create things god can't? That's awesome! He's NOT all powerful.
Morals only work when people agree on them. This is why it is important to use logic, because u would never reach a logical solution just by going off of 1 person's point of view.
Both evil and good are both concepts created by people.one could not exist without the other.therefore there could have never even been a point when everythin was good. The moment u have a donut u also have a donut hole. Fyi neither good nor evil are actually things. Everything is neutral until we decide what it is and it is not based on authority.
Alright folks, God did not create evil, darkness, and suffering, and pain. Because when comes the good things, comes the bad. For example, when like hits a rock, behind the rock will be shadow. If there is no shadow, what will be there?
So evil is a non existant hole in perfection? Then is perfection existant ? would there be such thing as light without the darkness? Can there be perfection without imperfection?
Evil does not exist and hate only exists because people believe in evil. Please stop calling and thinking of things that are bad as "evil". It doesn't exist. I really wish that this thought comes through to as many people as possible. I don't want to see more unnessesary hate and suffering in the world.
Evil is the knowledge that we can do things contrary to God's command and then doing it.The tree of knowledge of Good and Evil was created by God and put in the garden so that the serpent could tempt them with it.Adam's sin was part of God's plan or it would never have happened.,because in Heaven there will be no sin,no crying or sadness ect.and God could have made Earth the very same way if that was His plan.
so god created the physical part of man.but not the inner part of man.freewill was not gods' to give to man.what else did that dont exist as the physical didnt god creat or have to give.dreams bitch?emotions bitch?so god gets emotional but is not the maker of them?you're a dumbass!!!
@CarlosMarti123 I understand that concept, but think about it. If this God was all powerful, shouldn't he be able to make sure evil had never existed? Couldn't he have made it impossible for evil to occur? Free-will aside, had evil not have been an option, then it could not have had any impact. However, "Evil" is just a word people use to explain why bad things happen.
Besides, would you put a cookie jar on the floor and tell your children not to eat any or a cobra will bite them?
@BokuwaFdesu The problem is that free moral agents would not be able to perform moral actions out of choice if an alternative to that moral choice was not available. Since moral action is a choice, a free moral agent must choose that action over other alternatives.
@CarlosMarti123 So why does there need to be a "God" of some kind to create those alternatives? Couldn't it just be that no one is perfect, that sometimes there are just bad people who hurt others, that sometimes emotions over-ride rationality? When a man walks in on his wife cheating on him, he doesn't usually think it out logically. His emotions take over, ot evil. Maybe the wife cheated on him because of his work and she felt alone. There are no absolutes, only personal, subjective views.
If you do not have a foundation for objective moral judgement, then there is no manner in which you can justify condemning bad moral actions, since, according to your own view, these are purely subjective. In this case, a rapist, for instance, might say that your view and those of other people are just as subjective as his own, and thus cannot be judged as immoral after all.
@CarlosMarti123 Subjective in a personal sense, not in a social sense. We humans are a social creature. We do not have claws or fangs to defend ourselves. Without a social standing, one is an outcast, weird, strange, evil. One must fit to the group. Besides this, if one hurts another, it is not productive to society. Th group does not benifit in such actions. If anyone had freedom to kill, then we would not have a productive society. Please watch "The Evolution of Morality" by LeagueofReasonTV.
@BokuwaFdesu It has the same result. You cannot say you will do something just because the rest of society wants it. Look at Nazi Germany, for instance. Their "social values" were very disagreeable, don't you think? You cannot justify a choice as being objectively moral simply because of societal influences, only subjectively. There is no fundamental difference between "personal" and "social" subjectivity.
@CarlosMarti123 The entirety of Germany did not even know of the Nazi activities until half-way through the war and besides, how does one make killing justified? We say "THEM" and "THEY". "They are evil. Not human. Sick freaks. Corrupt Monsters!." The US does it all the time. EVERY country does it. One tribe sees the other as an opposing force that is "Out to get you". You see small tribes doing this all the time. There is NO global morality. Only individual communities, however small or large.
@BokuwaFdesu If there is no objective morality, what gives you the right to judge criminals? Thieves? Murderers? Rapists? You can't judge them, they're just "a product of their own mind"
@CarlosMarti123 We get the right to judge them because we created Ethics, based on individual morals, gathered up under a community. It is bad to commit any of those crimes because it is a detrement to society as a whole. There is nothing "divine" about wanting your group of people, citizens, to be out of harms way. Evolution has made it to where things that are productive to us a whole are morally good. Killing members of the same tribe is BAD because there are less people for birthing/hunting.
@BokuwaFdesu "Evolution has made it to where things that are productive to us a whole are morally good. Killing members of the same tribe is BAD because there are less people for birthing/hunting."
You cannot base morality on the evolution of our species. If so, then how can emerged groups and ideologies like the Nazis be condemned as immoral? You cannot say something is immoral just because of social or psychological development. Are serial killers correct in their morality?
@CarlosMarti123 That makes no sense. Have you done any research into morality at all? How can I not base morality on evolution? Do you see ants murdering eachother? They are social creatures, as are penguins, piranhas, and bees. The only reasons we kill are because we get jealous or angry.
How about you review some of the morals the Bible tells you to follow? Stoning women who aren't virgins, forcing the woman you've raped to marry you, stoning people who work on the Sabbath. Sounds fun.
@BokuwaFdesu Actually, those are from the Old Testament Law, not the New Covenant :) It seems it's you who's not educated at all.
The reason I state we cannot base morality simply on our moral inclinations is because that entails no objective moral values at all. Evolution has made men have the appetite to lust for women and, if they could get away with it, theoretically men should rape a woman if they ever found one alone or helpless. Is that the morality based on evolution you advocate?
@CarlosMarti123 "1 Corinthians 10:10 says that mumbling or murmering should get you killed. Luke 1 1:20, God struck a man dumb because he didn't believe. Mark 4 4: 11-12, Jesus intentionally speaks in confusing terms because he wants anyone who doesn't believe at face value will go to Hell. Malachi 4 4:3 says that "Just" will burn the "Wicked" and walk on their ashes! Jesus defends the law where parents must kill disobedient children in Matthew 15:4!
@CarlosMarti123 You're correct,morals never came from a convention of men,there are objective morals in spite of the laws of men.Hitler would have never been evil to some of these amoral liberals,because they don't believe evil exists,they think that we should live in a world where everyone does their own thing just as long as they don't hurt someone else,but if someone does hurt some one else they can't judge them,their problem is most the world is not a bunch of flower children.
lol look at you all, fighting and fussing about what you dont have the slightest idea about. God is beyond anything we could imagine lets just leave it at that and praise him and hope to see him very soon.
God himself said that He created evil in Isaiah 45:7. Without evil we would not know goodness. Without unrighteousness we would not know righteousness. Without hate we would not know love... etc.
1 You miss understand the charecter of God.. What kind of God would he be if he took away choice in the hope that there would be no evil in the world. If he did this then God would be accused of being a dictator. Man would be no better than a puppet on a string. If choice was taken away from us, why would we love a God that does not permit free thought as well as action. It is because of Gods love for man that we have the choice to think good or evil , the choice do good or evil.
@MrMaxTruth 2. God does not want us to love Him not out of forced coersion but out of free choice, from a true understanding of His devine charecter. Only free choice can do this. The laws you have mentioned that bind the Universe together were created by God himself. Therfore God as creator of those laws is NOT bound by them. A potter creates a bowl out of clay. He has designed its purpose and intent. To hold water or not. And if the potter wants , he can change its purpose.God is the same.
Darkness is not a thing -it is the absence of light, Open a door to an unlit room and it is the light in the lit room that penetrates the darkness of the unlit room. Evil is the same.It is by choice that we determin to do an evil thing. That evil then becomes a reality as a consequence of our choice.
That was the most ridiculous rationalization I have ever heard. people wake up ! God Is the creator of ALL things! And yes Evil is a thing not a doughnut hole lol! In the Garden of Eden God made the tree of Good and Evil! However you are warned what happens to you if you partake in Evil.., Without pain you woulnt know joy, without darkness you woulnt know light! Its soooooo simple to understand! Thats why Isaiah 45:7 uses this analogy. And verse 8 goes on to say this is RIGHTEOUS!
@sixfoursoul1 God does not create evil. You claim he created the tree of good and evil as proof for your hypothasis. If you are going to quote the Bible please quote correctly. The Bible says "The tree of knowledge of good and evil." Gen 2.9 The tree was not evil but possed the knowledge of evil. This is somthing quite different.. Jesus Christ had a knowledge of evil but he was not evil. God has a knowledge of evil but he is not evil. The analogy of a donught is correct.
@sixfoursoul1 God does not create evil. You claim he created the tree of good and evil as proof for your hypothasis. If you are going to quote the Bible please quote correctly. The Bible says "The tree of knowledge of good and evil." Gen 2.9 The tree was not evil but possed the knowledge of evil. This is somthing quite different.. Jesus Christ had a knowledge of evil but he was not evil. God has a knowledge of evil but he is not evil. The analogy of a donught is correct.
Ps, an all-powerful, all knowing, perfect being WOULD NEVER/COULD NEVER CREATE A BEING SUCH AS SATAN THAT WOULD HAVE THE SEED OF IMPERFECTION...AND EVEN IF HE DID, being 'all powerful' he could INSTANTLY change satan back to an all good being permanently..if not he is NOT all powerful..
@vincent4500 All CAPS ISN'T MAKING YOUR POINT ANYMORE NOTICEABLE. Its only distracting and immature really. You have your opinions and we have ours. Its a simple agree to disagree "thing". Nothing to get anal about though.
rofl. I hate when Christians say stuff like this. This is so fucking stupid...Oh my god. God created everything out of nothingness. He created good and evil, even if evil is the "absence of good" (which I believe is also dumb...How come good can't be the absence of evil?.....Where is this even stated in the Bible?) God is obviously evil...Christians try to make him look benevolent by saying he didn't create evil, but what do you call throwing someone into Hell FOREVER for a finite sin?
God created everything in Genesis first book of the Bible all was good God said so. He allowed humans to have freedom and free will, man choose to disobey God and thus God allowed or permitted evil, He could have made all humans to be like robots and do everything right and good,but that is not love and freedom, he gave us all the ability to choose, good or evil,love or hate, right or wrong, one day God will eradicate all evil, see Revelation 21:4 last book of the Bible God's Word.
@mcd2323apologist your argument is DEEPLY FLAWED...the classic' (lol)christian argument is that WE NEED EVIL TO ALLOW FREEWILL? yes?...well get this, that means that as Greg above says elsewhere 'there CANNOT BE FREEWILL & NO EVIL IN THIS UNIVERSE'...well GENESIS itself contradicts that, because in GENESIS ADAM AND EVE WERE PERFECTLY HAPPY IN A PARADISE, WITH NO EVIL YET THEY HAD FREEWILL...if they didn't they couldnt have chosen for Satan, right? So IT WAS ONLY GOD LETTING SATAN IN TO EDEN..
@mcd2323apologist ..THAT SCREWED EVERYTHING UP..he showed he was all powerful by creating a universe with both freewill and NO EVIL...Adam and EVe enjoyed it, they were not robots...they only knew evil and CHOSE WITH THEIR PRE-EXISTING FREEWILL for it when GOD ALLOWED SATAN INTO EDEN..an all seeing and powerful God allowed an inferior creature into Eden to make the fall...when before he had a perfect paradise with NO EVIL yet freewill too...hook, line, and sinker..!
Here's my thing. If "with God ANYTHING is possible," why then couldn't He create a world where we could have free will and be safe from evil entirely? What is the purpose of having billions of souls go through eternal pain and unspeakable suffering if in the end God will cast Satan and his legion of demons into hell for the rest of time anyway? This just does not seem like a loving God. It seems as if God is just getting off on all the drama if the whole scenario is true.
That's not the point. Christians claim that God is beyond our imagination. He created the universe. He can do ANYTHING for us because he loved us. All of us. If that were true then why couldn't he create a world where everyone is satisfied including Him?
@vannerrr You ask why didnt God create a perfect world where everyone is satisfied. He did. The garden of eden. Man had everything he could possibly want. The problem is that God also gave us free choice. The choice not to be satisfied. This is a good thing. It can spur us on to invention. But it can also be a bad thing. You know and I know that not everything in this world we may desire is good for us. Unless restraint is inacted it can lead us to negative consequenses , to sin. - Peace.
@MrMaxTruth If God cannot create a perfect world and coexistently have man with freewill/choice then he is NOT all powerful...if God is bound by the laws of the Universe to have to have evil to have freewill...then he is not the master/creator of the UNiverse but subject to its laws...hence not all powerful
If evil wasn't some "thing," wouldn't it be a lot easier to be continuously good? I think his view contradicts spiritual warfare. Evil is clearly a force, a pull, a temptation, a power. It's not just nothingness. I think to characterize it in simple and innocent terms is misleading. I'm not sure how to reconcile evil with the fact that nothing is possible without God. I think God permits evil (what He is not) to let us love Him freely. But did He 'create' evil? I don't know.
Absurd ! God created the knowledge of evil that is not a empty donuts hole. Evil Knowledge is an attribute man is powerless to handle with knowledge of good so he became a moral people.God created evil and called it good knowing redemption would be the result with greater revelation of His Nature that would excel morality in Virtue
@CalltheHogs By defintion if God created everything, it stands to reason that God created Evil, or the idea of evil or the capability of people doing evil. Everything we are, everything we will be, and everything were ever going to be is cause of god by god. God had to have thought evil enalble to instill some idea in lucipher to rebell and than spread evil. If he didnt than lucipher would have continued to do whatever God instilled and made him to do. Its not silly
@CalltheHogs 'God is beyond mans understanding'..well YOU CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND HIM THROUGH AN IMPERFECT, CONTRADICTORY AND INCOHERENT BOOK SOME OF WHICH IS 4000 YRS OLD....if God is beyond mans understanding how can you claim that you do??? and this idea of an adult correcting children...well WHICH RESPONSIBLE ADULT WOULD ALLOW AN EVIL CHILD ABUSING/MURDERING MONSTER IN WITH HIS KIDS WHILST HE ACTS THE ABSENT FATHER ...letting this monster destroy & screw up his children????answer me!
"They" have a cloaking device thats why we cant see them. They talk to me telepathically. They don't share their technology with us because we are not ready for it etc.
"They" only want me to do good. They decide what is good and I obey because their word is good. All those people had to die because they represented evil. What I did was good because those people chose evil and I was doing good by killing them. etc.
No you cant talk to them.. only I can talk to them.
dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html * I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) * Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV) * Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 So apparently, if the bible is correct, God did in fact create evil.
@danielkyleh God is not the direct cause of evil. The context you are referring to is talking about calamities. God would create the circumstances in would allow such things to occur. It is impossible for God to create ontological create evil. For example, when we harden our heart and rebel against God, God would allow us to do that for the greater things. It's just like when someone drink and drink and drink and in the end he will come back and confess his sins. All things work for good.
Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would think that they were still back in medieval England. Use of this translation is problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern English, which doesn't necessarily mean the same things today as when it was translated over 400 years ago. In addition, the KJV was produced using a limited number of medieval manuscripts that did not represent the earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts.
the problem here is that God is the donut hole. He isn't a thing, some anthropomorphic "thing" that looks a lot like us with our stupid passions. He doesn't have a being, no body or conscience in any way shape or form like the ones we have have. He doesn't come down to earth in the form of Jesus, some meek and mild man. "He" isn't a man, some parody of our earthly fathers.
He didn't create evil or goodness. Those are both conceptual "things". Funny how Christian apologetics work.
Jehovah himself said that he created evil. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:6-7. The arrogance of modern evangelicals is stupefying. They would seek to define God in spite of the "I Am's" own words. I'm waiting for the talk on how God is a Republican and a capitalist.
@Cthulu54 The actual interpretation is that the Lord brings evil or calamity upon the wicked. It is in reference to Isaiah 31:2 "The Lord will rise against the house of evildoers and against those who work iniquity. Create is a poor interpretation to the word select or dispatch, to bring or make. He will punish the evil in this world. Yes He created this calamity because it comes from Him. Your using this passage as God being the originator of sin. He allowed it not originated it.
@woelfl22 I'm sorry, but I'm not following. The text clearly says that the Lord creates evil. I assume you take the creation account in Genesis literally but you seem to be engaging in a lot of semantical gymnastics in regards to this passage. With all due respect this is typical of Christian fundamentalism.
@woelfl22 Upon re-reading my comments, I was a little taken aback by my harsh and condescending tone. Your own comments were respectful and matter of fact and I should have kept mine that way as well. Though sticking to my guns in terms of biblical interpretation I wanted to apologize for any vitriol. You were kind enough to take me seriously and respond to my earlier comments and I thank you for that.
The christian god does not ask to be worshipped - he demands it. The penalty for not worshipping him (no matter how good you were) is eternal pain and suffering in the lake of fire. Of course, you might live 1 or 100 years, you might hear the message 1 or 100 times. It doesn't matter because if you don't drop to your knees and weep for forgiveness you're screwed. With so much at stake god won't even personally show up to talk to you. All you get is an ancient book. lol
i think your getting confused here, i never said satan dident have a free will. i said angels dont have free will, but satan(a.k.a iblees) is not an angel, he is the species referred to in the Quran as 'jinn'
they like humans also have a free will and will be judged for their actions.
If God is so perfect and never fails to do good, why is it that evil exists. Even if we assume that evil is just the absence of good. Didn't God make the rules? Why didn't He make it so that there is no absence of good or that the absence of good wouldn't create evil. Then evil wouldn't exit.
Either God did create evil, which would be in contradiction to his supposed nature, or He is not cabable of creating good without evil, which would mean that He isn't all-powerful.
Yes God has created all the laws, and one of these laws is that humans have been given the gift of free will.
Angels have been created without a free will, and have been created to do good only. But us humans, we have been given a choice, a free will to do what we want, but at the same time, we have been warned that our actions will be accounted for one day and we must strive to stay in the rightous path of God and steer away from evil.
You got all wrong. God created hell for the Satan and his fellower. You will be send to hell unless you want to.
Any will forgive all sin if you repent of your wrongdoing and turn away from it. Only the sin of denying Holy Ghost is Unforgiven. I'm not sure why but that what it said in the scripture.
Because everyone wants to go to hell?That is patently ridiculous. You must mean that people won't fall and worship a guy who is threatening to beat the crap out of them, right? And since I won't fall and praise him because he is immoral (no honest person can deny this) this means I want to be tortured for all eternity? You've got a screw loose upstairs. If God is so merciful why won't he just destroy me since I just said I don't want to go to hell? God is an ass.
Are you really going to argue that atheists have no morals? God's rules are nonsense - how to enslave people, how to rape people, not eating pork (bacon is delicious), spending an entire day just worshipping him (God is a megalomaniac). Nearly half of the 10 commandments are about pleasing God. What about God accepting a human sacrifice? I'm not talking about Jesus either. Got had virgins sacrificed. He also had Jephthah kill his own daughter as a sacrifice in exchange for military victory.
God punishes all humankind with misery, crying, pain, suffering, slavery, rape, loss, boredom, lonelyness, anger, hate, frustration, etc - and then the possibility of an eternity in hell. Why? Because some guy named Adam ate a piece of fruit. Overaction on God's part - I think so. God's plan centers on blood and death - but why? He could come up with any plan he wanted to. Does his plan seem moral to you?
You can't push someone into a pool and then place conditions on throwing them a life preserver and expect to be considered good. Why is faith considered virtue? Isn't faith one of the most evil concepts conceivable because it retards human growth and leads to many atrocities? Isn't playing peek-a-boo with your creation evil? Isn't creating a being (Satan) who you know would cause terrible problems with the rest of your creation evil? Isn't demanding love and worship at the point of a gun evil
God himself said he created evil - read the bible. Blood atonement and scape goating are evil. Animal sacrifice is evil. Vicarious redemption is evil. Knowing that many humans will experience tremendous suffering on earth and then be cast to hell for even worse suffering because they refused to believe something (aren't acts more important than words) when the person may have been a caring and friendly person is evil. God is a sick mafia boss. Continued -
God is good? Is he talking about how God endorses slavery? Or maybe how he gives guidelines or directions on raping women? Maybe God's goodness can be demonstrated in one of his many homicidal rages? Surely, God demonstrates his goodness in his creation of hell? Do tectonic plates which cause earthquakes prove God's love? God loves us but the earth only produces enough food for part of its people, part of the time? Is ebola, HIV, the plague- all reflections of God's love?
Yeah, It's the same ol' evil is the absense of God nonsense. Yet, God said he created evil in Isaiah chpt 45. Christians hate that verse. But more importantly - God commits many acts any sane person would call "evil". I'm more moral than God, you are more moral than God, and most people are more moral than God.
Read the bible. Moses had to calm God down so he wouldn't go on a homicidal rampage. God himself is evil. He even said he was the author of evil. Besides, human free will doesn't explain completely all the suffering on earth. People don't cause earthquakes. People didn't create many of the diseases on the earth. You can't standby a car wreck, refuse to help, and be considered good. No sane person would build a torture chamber in their basement and put their children there.
Why is God the righteous one? Because he is more powerful? Does might make right? Just because God is powerful it doesn't necessarily make him good. God may very well be evil. However, it is more likely that GOD IS IMAGINARY. God said in Isaiah chpt 45 that he created evil. What if Satan is evil. Didn't God create Satan? Can't God get rid of Satan? I'm outspoken because I believe religion is bad. It corrupts minds. It stifles scientific progress. It divides humanity. Why don't you get this?
The interviewee is overly demonstrative, which is the first red flag. The doughnut hole argument is laughable, equivalent to a Jedi mind trick--it only works on the weak-minded.
Take, for example, a sin such as robbing a bank. It is not like a doughnut hole. It is a THING. You have to take action to make it happen--get a gun, a bag for the money, and then drive to the bank.
No wonder Christians are always falling prey to con artists who steal their money in investment scams.
Your trying to draw conclusions that aren't even there. EVIL is not a thing. Robbery is an action, not a thing. So, I think you've failed to make your point. And even if robbery were a THING, it still doesn't clarify the point your trying to make.
instead of creating a world where God knew Adam and Eve were going to sin, and cause evil to exist, why didn't God create a world where they weren't going to sin?
That is absurd. That degree of suffering in the world could only come from an entity that relishes in it. Or are you trying to say that poor old God is somehow stuck in the system he designed? Satan is the scapegoat. God could and should fix his mess. He has the power but refuses to. This is immoral. If someone had cancer I would heal them. No begging needed. This is because I'm a good person. God lets little babies starve and expects to be hailed as good?
mmh, well, that wouldn't be logical. And i think a lot of things in scripture are really outdated. Of course im not sure wich scripture are you referring to
The point i was trying to make here, is that i think the very definition of evil is still a little arbitrary, im not saying it isnt necessary to label something evil or not. its just that it complicates things when its not fully understood I dont think its that black and white.
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Oops...
joecane6340 1 week ago
@joecane6340 You've quoted Isaiah accurately. But what is the Hebrew word for evil, and what does it mean as compared to our modern-day English translation of it? I actually don't know, but it's worth researching.
davidholman48 6 days ago
@davidholman48 Supposedly it translates into several different words. The modern day translation chose the word that was least "evil" and put it in the verse. They are using "calamity" now.
joecane6340 6 days ago
this makes no sense what so ever
AmandaBrave25 1 month ago
Cause of evil
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ThePero20111 2 months ago
fantastic explanation of evil, I have come to understand evil as a description of the free will actions that oppose or step outside of the character and nature of God. Evil is def. not an object that is summoned but a state of rebellion against God's will and nature.
servant714 2 months ago
@servant714 nice if that explanation worked for you, but wait... if god is almighty and there is this "evil" which is actually a lack of good, how does that go together?
why can't he fix that? why doesn't he want to fix that?
saying that evil is just the absence of good doesn't solve the problem. it just shifts it a few inches.
schmui 2 weeks ago
@schmui He did and does want to fix it. His answer was and is Jesus. Jesus is God the Son completely and a man completely- the hypostatic union. Jesus is God 100%. Jesus is man 100%. God the Son became a man because he needed to make up, or atone for the sins of humanity. No one who was simply a man or a woman could say, "Hey, I'll make up for the sins of humanity and it'll all be good." God therefore sent HIMSELF- a sign of His mercy- to the earth to make up for sin. Jesus dying on the cross
scottishrunner14 2 weeks ago
@schmui allowed for sins to be forgiven and humanity could once again be with God in heaven. Now this event wasn't a ticket to do whatever you want because it's all good since Jesus died for sin. You as an individual must take note of the fact that heaven is now achievable and strive for it. To be allowed to enter into heaven after doing any evil acts because Jesus came and opened heaven up would breech free will. God wants you to seek Him out yourself. The Catholic Church is the guide
scottishrunner14 2 weeks ago
@schmui created by Jesus to help you achieve heaven. Whether or not you believe this schmui, this is the Catholic answer to your question. Thanks
scottishrunner14 2 weeks ago
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@schmui created by Jesus to help you achieve heaven. Whether or not you believe this schmui, this is the Catholic answer to your question. Thanks
scottishrunner14 2 weeks ago
@schmui created by Jesus, to help you achieve heaven. Whether or not you believe this schmui, this is the Catholic answer to your question. Thanks. Sorry if this reposts, it said that there was an error in posting so I tried a few times.
scottishrunner14 2 weeks ago
@scottishrunner14 sorry, but i read "created by Jesus" and had to laugh so hard. i know, if i'm wrong i'm pretty much fucked. well, not that much since i'm not a complete asshole and might have the glimpse of a chance to go to heaven.
well, but if YOU are wrong, you spent your life doing nothing but dedicating it to super-santaclause.
yeah but thanks for telling me all this stuff although i didn't read it. ...just too crazy and fucked up :)
schmui 2 weeks ago
@schmui Haha I guess "founded by" would have been a better way of phrasing it. And you are true: that either of us is wrong. I simply feel that, through history, testimonies, personal research, and logical thinking (which may seem crazy to an atheist!) that Jesus was not a liar. Thanks for the responce!
scottishrunner14 1 week ago
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scottishrunner14 1 week ago
Wow. That was a completely brilliant side-step of all logic.
Did I miss the part in school where a noun describes a thing?
I guess entropy isn't a thing either.
Oh, and if god created everything, then yes, he is responsible for that as well because it couldn't exist otherwise.
The big fail was the ludicrous statement that god cant fail.
"It's gods' will."
Then why do you pray?
ananominity 3 months ago
What about earthquakes and volcanoes? What about animals feed on other animals? Saying that God knows the unseen, he would have known that Man would suffer. I'm totally convinced that there's a creator. However, no one knows the reason behind the creation and the suffering! Evil does exist, it's a matter of fact. It doesn't have to do with our will as human. Watch a Lion Hunts Zebra on you tube and tell me where is the goodness in it!
MsSeeker4ever 4 months ago
@MsSeeker4ever The reason behind creation and suffering is that God does everything that brings Himself the most glory as he is the only one deserving praise. And neither is he cruel in letting suffering happen because he brings redemption for all but some reject that redemption that he offers freely. And evil exists, but only as the absence of good just as a pothole is the absence of road.
Naebofcso 3 months ago
If it is impossible for God to do an evil act, then he shouldn't be called a "god". Not being able to create evil is a restriction. If God has restrictions, is he really a god?
GoldenAxeArcade 4 months ago
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Saying that God can never fail to do everything good is also illogical, because that would mean that nothing is definitely good or evil. If God were to say murder is wrong, as he does, then him saying murder is wrong would be a good thing. However, if he chooses to say murder is good, then that would also be a good thing as well, because God is apparently incapable of doing anything but good. So, there can be no true good or evil, because something evil can then become good.
GoldenAxeArcade 4 months ago
@GoldenAxeArcade I'm afraid to say that there is a problem with your thinking. Good is not what God says is good but how God is. It is based on his character and not what he says is good. Otherwise what you are saying would be true.
Naebofcso 3 months ago
so does that mean evil doesn't exist? hmm...
pigsfood27 4 months ago
Or would you rather be filled with the guilt and the hopeless, the frustrations, the angers, the jealousies, of the world's manufactured "god" faiths? Would you not consider that you and your brother are of The All, and that knowing this you should put aside all quarrel, learn well from the mistakes of mankind, turn your eyes to the celestial heavens and begin to dream as to how we, The All, may begin to till and prosper The All? Want to know of Heaven, of Truth? Try Youtube: Acker Bilk + Aria.
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
@MagenticAdam66 That's a long way to say "fight the power", with a hint of "good and evil are illusions". And your answer is pantheism with some hedonism. What caused the fall of MAN? Same thing, wanting to become God. But then that's what you're suggesting, that man is in a way god, with nothing but the sky above him. Now if we exist in "Light/Dark, Creation/Destruction, Life/Death", is this the right state of man? Well then "good" doesn't deserve it's own name, it's just an equal to evil.
WarPig15 5 months ago
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@WarPig15 Take heed, WarPig: cogitations of mine mulled upon this webpage are not those of a person wishing to set-up a counter faith. By your wish, should I desist my free will, and gullibly accept the words of a manual printed by men in the world of men, which among many, many infactual declarations, also declares that biblical god promised to make one of the world's minority-most sects, the Israelites, "more numerous than the stars of heaven"? Perhaps he confused them with the Chinese?
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
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@WarPig15 The mainstay of the bible is supposed prophecy. When such is examined closely, it is all rather vague ~ splatter the general area, rather than nail the target. For instance, today, Jews are preparing tabernacle items for the temple of Solomon rebuild, whilst Iran is definitely preparing for the Mahdi's return, as are Christians doing all they may, to prepare for the coming of Christ. In effect, all of these sects are actually manipulating current events to fulfill relevant prophecy.
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
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@WarPig15 An example of "vague" biblical prophecy is the Revelations 200-million-man army. This was prophesised by a member of a sect which has maintained a history of conflict with many other peoples from day dot. All the "prophet" had to do, was to extrapolate populations increases forward many generations to "imagine" the possible resultant scenario. It should also be carefully noted that "biblical god" is to begin to destroy this vast army by slaughtering it's horses! A modern army indeed!
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
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@WarPig15 Further upon this requirement that prophecy should be seen to "nail the target" rather than be so generalised as to "hit by splatter" ~ a curious event has occured in my life which, should you be polite enough to believe me upon it, illustrates that which is "perfect prophesy". In 1966, after my Mum won a motza on the Oz Melbourne Cup, at 10, I dreamt the name of the trainer, and the name of his horse which would go on to win the same Cup 45 years later! The trainer was the '66 winner!
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
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@WarPig15 And lastly, a little more about that curious fulfilled dream of mine. The horse trainer was a man now called "The Cups King", Bart Cummings, having won 12 Melbourne Cups ~ Australia's premier horse race. In 1966, the year of my dream, he won with a horse called, strangely, "Gallilee". Some 45 years later, this decade (I can't nail the exact year off the top of my head), he again won with a horse foretold by me, appropriately named "Viewed"! Neat hey? Had anything similar?
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
When you realize the full extent of that great TRUTH you will also understand that all life/death, all creation/destruction, and all energies pertaining thereto are active and in place and relevent to any point in time. Why then, would you wish to kill another, or destory any life or matter unnecessarily? Are you not connected to The All, and is not all else also of The All. Are you not then your brother, and he also you? Are you not the tree, the sea? Wouldst thou continue to rape Mother Earth?
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
Here is great TRUTH: Each of us of the 7 billion of us is THE ONLY TRUELY KNOWN INDIVIDUAL TO THE EACH OF US! Stand alone upon a hill under a vast, clear night sky, and realize that thru the ONLY KNOWN VOID OF FACE IN THE WORLD ~ YOUR OWN, you connect to the cosmos, all nature, all life, all men, and become IN THE ALL, AND OF THE ALL! You shall also see that you exist within Light/Dark, Creation/Destruction, Life/Death. Why would you abbrogate this knowledge in favor of a paperback messiah?
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
Which are facets of the purported Satan's agenda? To become as a god, to usurp the True God; to destroy man & creation! How must such a being begin to institute himself as the "alternative, yet false, god"? Would he, for instance, be hanging invisibly about the doorways of pubs and brothels, or would it be more likely that he would be constituting for himself a great deceit ~ a deceit so well-crafted, that it shall deceive not only the very elect, but MOST OF MANKIND? Bibles, Qurans, anyone?
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
Which is the number one rule for successful campaign/warfare? DIVIDE & CONQUER! What is the end-purpose behind the multitude of world faiths? DIVIDE & CONQUER! How would you convince a majority percentage of mankind to utilize greed, environmental destruction upon his only-known available habitat, his vital and integral support system, HIS MOTHER EARTH, without regard for other life, including future-man generations? PROMISE OF A GOD-RENEWED HABITAT! What is Satan's purpose? DESTROY MAN & EARTH!
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
Why is it that the Truth of Cosmos may be readily seen by ANYONE (although mysteries will always exist) in physics, stars, planets, trees, earth, wind, water, ethers and fire, animal, tree and sea; whilst the bible is self-confessed deliberately arcane ~ subject only to "priestly" decipherments? Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, agnositic or orthodox, are considered each, "evil" by the others, and warring subgroups exist in all of the faiths ~ Oh, great and infallible planning, "biblical god"!
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
To abandon TRUTH is to abandon all worth of existence, not only of yourself, but of all other things, material or abstract. To not apply the test of TRUTH to the bible, before blithely swallowing it chapter and verse, is in effect an abandonment of TRUTH. Indeniable, indestructible and COMPLETE biblical truth? I've never once found it ~ tho it is obviously manufactured about SOME Truth. Ahh, but the most-stunningly-clever deceits are always red-herringed upon "useful" elements of Truth ~ yes?
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
TRUTH, once lighted, requires no testiment of itself, for Truth is impervious to manipulation, destruction, or twist ~ Truth is so intrinsically pure, that it is UNDOUBTABLE, INDESTRUCTIBLE. A talking snake, most subtil beast of the field, tempts man, and is stripped of legs to crawl eternally upon belly? Yet Satan ambles up to have a yarn and a bet with god to test Job? Apply the bloody obvious rules/natures of REAL TRUTH to that please, before you would have it shoved down my neck as "Truth".
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
For Germans knowledgeable of Hitler's real agenda, it was imperative to endorse a "spiritual" pact with him that endorsed "undesirables of mankind" to genocide. To go against this pact, would have led to your own bodily demise. To obtain your OWN messianic salvation, one must "spiritually endorse biblical ??Truth??" that most of your fellow mankind is worth less than shit, fit only for eternal spiritual burning ~ otherwise consign yourself also! What the fark is the difference here, hmmmm?
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
TRUE GOD MUST BE THE ALL, THE ONLY HARMONIC BALANCE of Light/Dark, Creation/Destruction ~ in essences "Good/Evil". To man, free will to devote his INDESTRUCTIBLE spiritual energy to the Light or the Dark ~ and The Cosmic All, has need of all energies, Light&Dark. Rewards/spiritual positions are commensurate with your choosing. Are "darkly vengeful" biblical god, & his "cuddly redemptive" son, but HALF THE WHOLE, masquerading FALSELY, as THE ALL? Does Satan peddle the Bible, or hang about pubs?
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
I've referred to this on other of your vids ~ god created the venus fly trap ~ a beautiful orchid employing "natural deceit" to ensare insects. Ditto stalking lions, ditto trap-door spiders . . . ditto, ditto, ditto, et el. Who created pain (abstract sensation caused by material nerval function)? Who created death & darkness ~ God or Satan? Who created sadness and woe? Bible god" "I shall bring great evil upon thee"; "I am a jealous, envious, god"; "I am The All ~ NOTHING exists without me!"
MagenticAdam66 5 months ago
Complete gobbledegook, old mate! God is The All, and not even an abstraction, such as the hole in the doughnut, or for that matter evil, may exist without his auspices. What EXACTLY, is thought, buddy? Thought is an "abstract energy" born of a material brain, which in turn houses the abstract mind, which in turn combines with life energy, creating individual soul ~ the real you! As exists necessary voids (spaces) between words, there are necessary spaces & abstracts in THE ALL!
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Requiemxtoxinnocence 5 months ago
So, if God is absolutely 'good' and could only create and be in the presence of 'good'. How is their evil?
alZiiHardstylez 5 months ago
So, man created evil? That means man can create something god can't. Interesting. So we're able to create things god can't? That's awesome! He's NOT all powerful.
derhammerman 5 months ago
Morals only work when people agree on them. This is why it is important to use logic, because u would never reach a logical solution just by going off of 1 person's point of view.
reggieharris20 6 months ago
Both evil and good are both concepts created by people.one could not exist without the other.therefore there could have never even been a point when everythin was good. The moment u have a donut u also have a donut hole. Fyi neither good nor evil are actually things. Everything is neutral until we decide what it is and it is not based on authority.
reggieharris20 6 months ago
Alright folks, God did not create evil, darkness, and suffering, and pain. Because when comes the good things, comes the bad. For example, when like hits a rock, behind the rock will be shadow. If there is no shadow, what will be there?
NickEppo 7 months ago
So evil is a non existant hole in perfection? Then is perfection existant ? would there be such thing as light without the darkness? Can there be perfection without imperfection?
McGigger 7 months ago
well thanks i was having trouble with that
sambaTV1 7 months ago
Evil does not exist and hate only exists because people believe in evil. Please stop calling and thinking of things that are bad as "evil". It doesn't exist. I really wish that this thought comes through to as many people as possible. I don't want to see more unnessesary hate and suffering in the world.
mamikodis 7 months ago
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God himself said he create evil
joey4245 8 months ago
So goodness is a thing and evil is not...... sorry buddy you're just beating around the bush speaking a bunch of nonsense in circles
wisconacho 8 months ago
Evil is the knowledge that we can do things contrary to God's command and then doing it.The tree of knowledge of Good and Evil was created by God and put in the garden so that the serpent could tempt them with it.Adam's sin was part of God's plan or it would never have happened.,because in Heaven there will be no sin,no crying or sadness ect.and God could have made Earth the very same way if that was His plan.
CBALLEN 9 months ago
so god created the physical part of man.but not the inner part of man.freewill was not gods' to give to man.what else did that dont exist as the physical didnt god creat or have to give.dreams bitch?emotions bitch?so god gets emotional but is not the maker of them?you're a dumbass!!!
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youneekk 9 months ago
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Sugabear1976 9 months ago
So human free-will is more powerful than God's ability to keep the universe in this "perfect Goodness"? I didn't know God was so weak.
BokuwaFdesu 10 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu Why do you say it's more powerful?
God willingly gave humans free will. That doesn't mean he could not take that free will away.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 I understand that concept, but think about it. If this God was all powerful, shouldn't he be able to make sure evil had never existed? Couldn't he have made it impossible for evil to occur? Free-will aside, had evil not have been an option, then it could not have had any impact. However, "Evil" is just a word people use to explain why bad things happen.
Besides, would you put a cookie jar on the floor and tell your children not to eat any or a cobra will bite them?
BokuwaFdesu 10 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu The problem is that free moral agents would not be able to perform moral actions out of choice if an alternative to that moral choice was not available. Since moral action is a choice, a free moral agent must choose that action over other alternatives.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 So why does there need to be a "God" of some kind to create those alternatives? Couldn't it just be that no one is perfect, that sometimes there are just bad people who hurt others, that sometimes emotions over-ride rationality? When a man walks in on his wife cheating on him, he doesn't usually think it out logically. His emotions take over, ot evil. Maybe the wife cheated on him because of his work and she felt alone. There are no absolutes, only personal, subjective views.
BokuwaFdesu 10 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu Is that a personal, subjective view?
If you do not have a foundation for objective moral judgement, then there is no manner in which you can justify condemning bad moral actions, since, according to your own view, these are purely subjective. In this case, a rapist, for instance, might say that your view and those of other people are just as subjective as his own, and thus cannot be judged as immoral after all.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Subjective in a personal sense, not in a social sense. We humans are a social creature. We do not have claws or fangs to defend ourselves. Without a social standing, one is an outcast, weird, strange, evil. One must fit to the group. Besides this, if one hurts another, it is not productive to society. Th group does not benifit in such actions. If anyone had freedom to kill, then we would not have a productive society. Please watch "The Evolution of Morality" by LeagueofReasonTV.
BokuwaFdesu 10 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu It has the same result. You cannot say you will do something just because the rest of society wants it. Look at Nazi Germany, for instance. Their "social values" were very disagreeable, don't you think? You cannot justify a choice as being objectively moral simply because of societal influences, only subjectively. There is no fundamental difference between "personal" and "social" subjectivity.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 The entirety of Germany did not even know of the Nazi activities until half-way through the war and besides, how does one make killing justified? We say "THEM" and "THEY". "They are evil. Not human. Sick freaks. Corrupt Monsters!." The US does it all the time. EVERY country does it. One tribe sees the other as an opposing force that is "Out to get you". You see small tribes doing this all the time. There is NO global morality. Only individual communities, however small or large.
BokuwaFdesu 10 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu If there is no objective morality, what gives you the right to judge criminals? Thieves? Murderers? Rapists? You can't judge them, they're just "a product of their own mind"
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 We get the right to judge them because we created Ethics, based on individual morals, gathered up under a community. It is bad to commit any of those crimes because it is a detrement to society as a whole. There is nothing "divine" about wanting your group of people, citizens, to be out of harms way. Evolution has made it to where things that are productive to us a whole are morally good. Killing members of the same tribe is BAD because there are less people for birthing/hunting.
BokuwaFdesu 10 months ago
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@BokuwaFdesu "We get the right to judge them because we created Ethics, based on individual morals, gathered up under a community."
You have not answered the question at all, it's basically circular reasoning. It's moral because we think it's moral? That's just subjectivity.
"It is bad to commit any of those crimes because it is a detrement to society as a whole."
Again, this is just begging the question.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu "Evolution has made it to where things that are productive to us a whole are morally good. Killing members of the same tribe is BAD because there are less people for birthing/hunting."
You cannot base morality on the evolution of our species. If so, then how can emerged groups and ideologies like the Nazis be condemned as immoral? You cannot say something is immoral just because of social or psychological development. Are serial killers correct in their morality?
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 That makes no sense. Have you done any research into morality at all? How can I not base morality on evolution? Do you see ants murdering eachother? They are social creatures, as are penguins, piranhas, and bees. The only reasons we kill are because we get jealous or angry.
How about you review some of the morals the Bible tells you to follow? Stoning women who aren't virgins, forcing the woman you've raped to marry you, stoning people who work on the Sabbath. Sounds fun.
BokuwaFdesu 10 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu Actually, those are from the Old Testament Law, not the New Covenant :) It seems it's you who's not educated at all.
The reason I state we cannot base morality simply on our moral inclinations is because that entails no objective moral values at all. Evolution has made men have the appetite to lust for women and, if they could get away with it, theoretically men should rape a woman if they ever found one alone or helpless. Is that the morality based on evolution you advocate?
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 "1 Corinthians 10:10 says that mumbling or murmering should get you killed. Luke 1 1:20, God struck a man dumb because he didn't believe. Mark 4 4: 11-12, Jesus intentionally speaks in confusing terms because he wants anyone who doesn't believe at face value will go to Hell. Malachi 4 4:3 says that "Just" will burn the "Wicked" and walk on their ashes! Jesus defends the law where parents must kill disobedient children in Matthew 15:4!
Does this sound Moral or just?
BokuwaFdesu 10 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu Check your messages. Sorry for that, it was too long to post here with a 500-character limit.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 You're correct,morals never came from a convention of men,there are objective morals in spite of the laws of men.Hitler would have never been evil to some of these amoral liberals,because they don't believe evil exists,they think that we should live in a world where everyone does their own thing just as long as they don't hurt someone else,but if someone does hurt some one else they can't judge them,their problem is most the world is not a bunch of flower children.
CBALLEN 9 months ago
lol look at you all, fighting and fussing about what you dont have the slightest idea about. God is beyond anything we could imagine lets just leave it at that and praise him and hope to see him very soon.
carlawon 10 months ago
God created everything and he is good and evil, just people don't have the brain to see that.
latingal525 11 months ago
God himself said that He created evil in Isaiah 45:7. Without evil we would not know goodness. Without unrighteousness we would not know righteousness. Without hate we would not know love... etc.
ObeyHisWord 11 months ago
1 You miss understand the charecter of God.. What kind of God would he be if he took away choice in the hope that there would be no evil in the world. If he did this then God would be accused of being a dictator. Man would be no better than a puppet on a string. If choice was taken away from us, why would we love a God that does not permit free thought as well as action. It is because of Gods love for man that we have the choice to think good or evil , the choice do good or evil.
MrMaxTruth 1 year ago
@MrMaxTruth 2. God does not want us to love Him not out of forced coersion but out of free choice, from a true understanding of His devine charecter. Only free choice can do this. The laws you have mentioned that bind the Universe together were created by God himself. Therfore God as creator of those laws is NOT bound by them. A potter creates a bowl out of clay. He has designed its purpose and intent. To hold water or not. And if the potter wants , he can change its purpose.God is the same.
MrMaxTruth 1 year ago
Darkness is not a thing -it is the absence of light, Open a door to an unlit room and it is the light in the lit room that penetrates the darkness of the unlit room. Evil is the same.It is by choice that we determin to do an evil thing. That evil then becomes a reality as a consequence of our choice.
MrMaxTruth 1 year ago
Bro, besides who made this guy a expert on Gods thoughts?
sixfoursoul1 1 year ago
That was the most ridiculous rationalization I have ever heard. people wake up ! God Is the creator of ALL things! And yes Evil is a thing not a doughnut hole lol! In the Garden of Eden God made the tree of Good and Evil! However you are warned what happens to you if you partake in Evil.., Without pain you woulnt know joy, without darkness you woulnt know light! Its soooooo simple to understand! Thats why Isaiah 45:7 uses this analogy. And verse 8 goes on to say this is RIGHTEOUS!
sixfoursoul1 1 year ago
@sixfoursoul1 God does not create evil. You claim he created the tree of good and evil as proof for your hypothasis. If you are going to quote the Bible please quote correctly. The Bible says "The tree of knowledge of good and evil." Gen 2.9 The tree was not evil but possed the knowledge of evil. This is somthing quite different.. Jesus Christ had a knowledge of evil but he was not evil. God has a knowledge of evil but he is not evil. The analogy of a donught is correct.
MrMaxTruth 1 year ago
@sixfoursoul1 God does not create evil. You claim he created the tree of good and evil as proof for your hypothasis. If you are going to quote the Bible please quote correctly. The Bible says "The tree of knowledge of good and evil." Gen 2.9 The tree was not evil but possed the knowledge of evil. This is somthing quite different.. Jesus Christ had a knowledge of evil but he was not evil. God has a knowledge of evil but he is not evil. The analogy of a donught is correct.
MrMaxTruth 1 year ago
Ps, an all-powerful, all knowing, perfect being WOULD NEVER/COULD NEVER CREATE A BEING SUCH AS SATAN THAT WOULD HAVE THE SEED OF IMPERFECTION...AND EVEN IF HE DID, being 'all powerful' he could INSTANTLY change satan back to an all good being permanently..if not he is NOT all powerful..
vincent4500 1 year ago
@vincent4500 All CAPS ISN'T MAKING YOUR POINT ANYMORE NOTICEABLE. Its only distracting and immature really. You have your opinions and we have ours. Its a simple agree to disagree "thing". Nothing to get anal about though.
glues1 1 year ago
rofl. I hate when Christians say stuff like this. This is so fucking stupid...Oh my god. God created everything out of nothingness. He created good and evil, even if evil is the "absence of good" (which I believe is also dumb...How come good can't be the absence of evil?.....Where is this even stated in the Bible?) God is obviously evil...Christians try to make him look benevolent by saying he didn't create evil, but what do you call throwing someone into Hell FOREVER for a finite sin?
Likety 1 year ago
@Likety ever thought that god and the devil are actually one in the same and he creates us for his entertainment? so much suffering in this world..
vincent4500 1 year ago
God created everything in Genesis first book of the Bible all was good God said so. He allowed humans to have freedom and free will, man choose to disobey God and thus God allowed or permitted evil, He could have made all humans to be like robots and do everything right and good,but that is not love and freedom, he gave us all the ability to choose, good or evil,love or hate, right or wrong, one day God will eradicate all evil, see Revelation 21:4 last book of the Bible God's Word.
mcd2323apologist 1 year ago
@mcd2323apologist your argument is DEEPLY FLAWED...the classic' (lol)christian argument is that WE NEED EVIL TO ALLOW FREEWILL? yes?...well get this, that means that as Greg above says elsewhere 'there CANNOT BE FREEWILL & NO EVIL IN THIS UNIVERSE'...well GENESIS itself contradicts that, because in GENESIS ADAM AND EVE WERE PERFECTLY HAPPY IN A PARADISE, WITH NO EVIL YET THEY HAD FREEWILL...if they didn't they couldnt have chosen for Satan, right? So IT WAS ONLY GOD LETTING SATAN IN TO EDEN..
vincent4500 1 year ago
@mcd2323apologist ..THAT SCREWED EVERYTHING UP..he showed he was all powerful by creating a universe with both freewill and NO EVIL...Adam and EVe enjoyed it, they were not robots...they only knew evil and CHOSE WITH THEIR PRE-EXISTING FREEWILL for it when GOD ALLOWED SATAN INTO EDEN..an all seeing and powerful God allowed an inferior creature into Eden to make the fall...when before he had a perfect paradise with NO EVIL yet freewill too...hook, line, and sinker..!
vincent4500 1 year ago
@mcd2323apologist such a God sounds like he is acting in vanity...and that sounds more like the devil than an all loving God...
vincent4500 1 year ago
@mcd2323apologist
Here's my thing. If "with God ANYTHING is possible," why then couldn't He create a world where we could have free will and be safe from evil entirely? What is the purpose of having billions of souls go through eternal pain and unspeakable suffering if in the end God will cast Satan and his legion of demons into hell for the rest of time anyway? This just does not seem like a loving God. It seems as if God is just getting off on all the drama if the whole scenario is true.
vannerrr 1 year ago
@vannerrr How do you know hot without cold? How do you know good without evil?
whitadow 1 year ago
@whitadow
That's not the point. Christians claim that God is beyond our imagination. He created the universe. He can do ANYTHING for us because he loved us. All of us. If that were true then why couldn't he create a world where everyone is satisfied including Him?
vannerrr 1 year ago
@vannerrr You ask why didnt God create a perfect world where everyone is satisfied. He did. The garden of eden. Man had everything he could possibly want. The problem is that God also gave us free choice. The choice not to be satisfied. This is a good thing. It can spur us on to invention. But it can also be a bad thing. You know and I know that not everything in this world we may desire is good for us. Unless restraint is inacted it can lead us to negative consequenses , to sin. - Peace.
MrMaxTruth 1 year ago
@MrMaxTruth If God cannot create a perfect world and coexistently have man with freewill/choice then he is NOT all powerful...if God is bound by the laws of the Universe to have to have evil to have freewill...then he is not the master/creator of the UNiverse but subject to its laws...hence not all powerful
vincent4500 1 year ago
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@vincent4500 "If God cannot create a perfect world and coexistently have man with freewill/choice then he is NOT all powerful"
*Sigh* You atheists.
You might want to see this video, "Omnipotence: An Introduction"
/watch?v=_y40rKv8DzU
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
If evil wasn't some "thing," wouldn't it be a lot easier to be continuously good? I think his view contradicts spiritual warfare. Evil is clearly a force, a pull, a temptation, a power. It's not just nothingness. I think to characterize it in simple and innocent terms is misleading. I'm not sure how to reconcile evil with the fact that nothing is possible without God. I think God permits evil (what He is not) to let us love Him freely. But did He 'create' evil? I don't know.
johnnylovesfootball 1 year ago
Absurd ! God created the knowledge of evil that is not a empty donuts hole. Evil Knowledge is an attribute man is powerless to handle with knowledge of good so he became a moral people.God created evil and called it good knowing redemption would be the result with greater revelation of His Nature that would excel morality in Virtue
polopowers1 1 year ago
WTF ? God is Evil himself !!!
maatonne 1 year ago
You all are talking about God and evil. God did not create evil. That is silly. God is beyond man's understanding of perfection and good.
Evil as referenced to in Isiah 45:7 is talking about forming or giving pain. Sort of like in John 2:15.
Any parent worth their salt will correct where and when their children are out of line.
CalltheHogs 1 year ago
@CalltheHogs By defintion if God created everything, it stands to reason that God created Evil, or the idea of evil or the capability of people doing evil. Everything we are, everything we will be, and everything were ever going to be is cause of god by god. God had to have thought evil enalble to instill some idea in lucipher to rebell and than spread evil. If he didnt than lucipher would have continued to do whatever God instilled and made him to do. Its not silly
glues1 1 year ago
@glues1 see above, my comments, Genesis ITSELF contradicts this stupid apologetic argument that evil is necessary for freewill!
vincent4500 1 year ago
@CalltheHogs
CalltheHogs 1 year ago
@CalltheHogs
CalltheHogs 1 year ago
@CalltheHogs 'God is beyond mans understanding'..well YOU CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND HIM THROUGH AN IMPERFECT, CONTRADICTORY AND INCOHERENT BOOK SOME OF WHICH IS 4000 YRS OLD....if God is beyond mans understanding how can you claim that you do??? and this idea of an adult correcting children...well WHICH RESPONSIBLE ADULT WOULD ALLOW AN EVIL CHILD ABUSING/MURDERING MONSTER IN WITH HIS KIDS WHILST HE ACTS THE ABSENT FATHER ...letting this monster destroy & screw up his children????answer me!
vincent4500 1 year ago
Paranoid schizophrenia.
"They" have a cloaking device thats why we cant see them. They talk to me telepathically. They don't share their technology with us because we are not ready for it etc.
"They" only want me to do good. They decide what is good and I obey because their word is good. All those people had to die because they represented evil. What I did was good because those people chose evil and I was doing good by killing them. etc.
No you cant talk to them.. only I can talk to them.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
@phalluses you're basic assumptions that God exists and that the Bible is right ruin your argument
frozenreflection 1 year ago
listen 2 this big none answer. WTF is he talking about?
MrHead1972 1 year ago
0:00-0:12 is scientology lol
baconstory 1 year ago
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dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html * I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) * Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV) * Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)
kamikazee100 1 year ago
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 So apparently, if the bible is correct, God did in fact create evil.
danielkyleh 1 year ago
@danielkyleh God is not the direct cause of evil. The context you are referring to is talking about calamities. God would create the circumstances in would allow such things to occur. It is impossible for God to create ontological create evil. For example, when we harden our heart and rebel against God, God would allow us to do that for the greater things. It's just like when someone drink and drink and drink and in the end he will come back and confess his sins. All things work for good.
djcreation24 1 year ago
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God did not create Evil, God is Evil.
TheKiemaster 1 year ago
all the religous freaks are attemping to explain thing to justify their belief
saigondj 1 year ago
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@saigondj All the people who can't speak English are responding to videos on YouTube.
MasterWok7 1 year ago
evil is a label term. evil is natural as a male lion eats his cubs to prevent future domination. Since thee s no evil there is no God
saigondj 1 year ago
As darkness is the absence of light so evil is the byproduct of freewill. Evil is only in existence as a result of freewill.
MrMaxTruth 1 year ago
@MrMaxTruth Evil wouldnt be a "byproduct" of free will if God didnt make it to be.....
glues1 1 year ago
Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would think that they were still back in medieval England. Use of this translation is problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern English, which doesn't necessarily mean the same things today as when it was translated over 400 years ago. In addition, the KJV was produced using a limited number of medieval manuscripts that did not represent the earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts.
wserrano59 1 year ago
the problem here is that God is the donut hole. He isn't a thing, some anthropomorphic "thing" that looks a lot like us with our stupid passions. He doesn't have a being, no body or conscience in any way shape or form like the ones we have have. He doesn't come down to earth in the form of Jesus, some meek and mild man. "He" isn't a man, some parody of our earthly fathers.
He didn't create evil or goodness. Those are both conceptual "things". Funny how Christian apologetics work.
AznBoyBlushes 1 year ago
Jehovah himself said that he created evil. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:6-7. The arrogance of modern evangelicals is stupefying. They would seek to define God in spite of the "I Am's" own words. I'm waiting for the talk on how God is a Republican and a capitalist.
Cthulu54 1 year ago
@Cthulu54 The actual interpretation is that the Lord brings evil or calamity upon the wicked. It is in reference to Isaiah 31:2 "The Lord will rise against the house of evildoers and against those who work iniquity. Create is a poor interpretation to the word select or dispatch, to bring or make. He will punish the evil in this world. Yes He created this calamity because it comes from Him. Your using this passage as God being the originator of sin. He allowed it not originated it.
woelfl22 1 year ago
@woelfl22 I'm sorry, but I'm not following. The text clearly says that the Lord creates evil. I assume you take the creation account in Genesis literally but you seem to be engaging in a lot of semantical gymnastics in regards to this passage. With all due respect this is typical of Christian fundamentalism.
Cthulu54 1 year ago
@woelfl22 Upon re-reading my comments, I was a little taken aback by my harsh and condescending tone. Your own comments were respectful and matter of fact and I should have kept mine that way as well. Though sticking to my guns in terms of biblical interpretation I wanted to apologize for any vitriol. You were kind enough to take me seriously and respond to my earlier comments and I thank you for that.
Cthulu54 1 year ago
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LOL, chances are there is no god.
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The christian god does not ask to be worshipped - he demands it. The penalty for not worshipping him (no matter how good you were) is eternal pain and suffering in the lake of fire. Of course, you might live 1 or 100 years, you might hear the message 1 or 100 times. It doesn't matter because if you don't drop to your knees and weep for forgiveness you're screwed. With so much at stake god won't even personally show up to talk to you. All you get is an ancient book. lol
caposton 2 years ago
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i think your getting confused here, i never said satan dident have a free will. i said angels dont have free will, but satan(a.k.a iblees) is not an angel, he is the species referred to in the Quran as 'jinn'
they like humans also have a free will and will be judged for their actions.
mkhairulla 2 years ago
@mkhairulla Lucifer was an angel
strawberrrys 2 years ago
@mkhairulla
LOL, islam is just the inbred child of judaism and christianity.
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good - things that benifit
evil - things that detriment
these are all subjective
holymoose69 2 years ago
all the mental gymnastics in the world could not excuse gods irresponsibility. how do you not hold the creator responsible for the creation?
excuses, excuses...
cappadinoceo 2 years ago
@cappadinoceo
also he defeats his own arguement off the gate!
ive eaten plenty donut holes
FAIL
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
If God is so perfect and never fails to do good, why is it that evil exists. Even if we assume that evil is just the absence of good. Didn't God make the rules? Why didn't He make it so that there is no absence of good or that the absence of good wouldn't create evil. Then evil wouldn't exit.
Either God did create evil, which would be in contradiction to his supposed nature, or He is not cabable of creating good without evil, which would mean that He isn't all-powerful.
Schweinehirte 2 years ago
Yes God has created all the laws, and one of these laws is that humans have been given the gift of free will.
Angels have been created without a free will, and have been created to do good only. But us humans, we have been given a choice, a free will to do what we want, but at the same time, we have been warned that our actions will be accounted for one day and we must strive to stay in the rightous path of God and steer away from evil.
hope this explains things a little
mkhairulla 2 years ago
You got all wrong. God created hell for the Satan and his fellower. You will be send to hell unless you want to.
Any will forgive all sin if you repent of your wrongdoing and turn away from it. Only the sin of denying Holy Ghost is Unforgiven. I'm not sure why but that what it said in the scripture.
kempowarrior 2 years ago
Because everyone wants to go to hell?That is patently ridiculous. You must mean that people won't fall and worship a guy who is threatening to beat the crap out of them, right? And since I won't fall and praise him because he is immoral (no honest person can deny this) this means I want to be tortured for all eternity? You've got a screw loose upstairs. If God is so merciful why won't he just destroy me since I just said I don't want to go to hell? God is an ass.
caposton 2 years ago
Have you watch the news lately and see what America has become?
Sex is every where, teen dressing like a hooker, and there no common courtesy in the street like they use to be.
What happen helping those who are less fortunate, sharing, and caring?
Where ever you go, there has to rule, imagine if there were no rules, than the world would be in chaos.
Anyone can do anything, like buying foods without paying, run a stop sign or red light, get the point?
kempowarrior 2 years ago
Are you really going to argue that atheists have no morals? God's rules are nonsense - how to enslave people, how to rape people, not eating pork (bacon is delicious), spending an entire day just worshipping him (God is a megalomaniac). Nearly half of the 10 commandments are about pleasing God. What about God accepting a human sacrifice? I'm not talking about Jesus either. Got had virgins sacrificed. He also had Jephthah kill his own daughter as a sacrifice in exchange for military victory.
caposton 2 years ago
@caposton no one said you had to do it buddy I love God he loves me were tight you can join the party if ya want I'm havin' fun anyways
strawberrrys 2 years ago
God punishes all humankind with misery, crying, pain, suffering, slavery, rape, loss, boredom, lonelyness, anger, hate, frustration, etc - and then the possibility of an eternity in hell. Why? Because some guy named Adam ate a piece of fruit. Overaction on God's part - I think so. God's plan centers on blood and death - but why? He could come up with any plan he wanted to. Does his plan seem moral to you?
caposton 2 years ago
You can't push someone into a pool and then place conditions on throwing them a life preserver and expect to be considered good. Why is faith considered virtue? Isn't faith one of the most evil concepts conceivable because it retards human growth and leads to many atrocities? Isn't playing peek-a-boo with your creation evil? Isn't creating a being (Satan) who you know would cause terrible problems with the rest of your creation evil? Isn't demanding love and worship at the point of a gun evil
caposton 2 years ago
God himself said he created evil - read the bible. Blood atonement and scape goating are evil. Animal sacrifice is evil. Vicarious redemption is evil. Knowing that many humans will experience tremendous suffering on earth and then be cast to hell for even worse suffering because they refused to believe something (aren't acts more important than words) when the person may have been a caring and friendly person is evil. God is a sick mafia boss. Continued -
caposton 2 years ago
God is good? Is he talking about how God endorses slavery? Or maybe how he gives guidelines or directions on raping women? Maybe God's goodness can be demonstrated in one of his many homicidal rages? Surely, God demonstrates his goodness in his creation of hell? Do tectonic plates which cause earthquakes prove God's love? God loves us but the earth only produces enough food for part of its people, part of the time? Is ebola, HIV, the plague- all reflections of God's love?
caposton 2 years ago
this is the worst arguement i have heard it sound good because he sounds so convieneing but thinking about it is gibberish
alwaythink 2 years ago
Yeah, It's the same ol' evil is the absense of God nonsense. Yet, God said he created evil in Isaiah chpt 45. Christians hate that verse. But more importantly - God commits many acts any sane person would call "evil". I'm more moral than God, you are more moral than God, and most people are more moral than God.
caposton 2 years ago
is their a basis for morals or does it matter. It does not seem safe to the world to follow gods basis of moral
alwaythink 2 years ago
This guy sound like retard. Ever heard of a thing call Free agency?
Stop blaming your mistake or the lack to control yourself in committing sin and than blame on God for your mistake.
kempowarrior 2 years ago
Read the bible. Moses had to calm God down so he wouldn't go on a homicidal rampage. God himself is evil. He even said he was the author of evil. Besides, human free will doesn't explain completely all the suffering on earth. People don't cause earthquakes. People didn't create many of the diseases on the earth. You can't standby a car wreck, refuse to help, and be considered good. No sane person would build a torture chamber in their basement and put their children there.
caposton 2 years ago
Where in the Bible and whatever verse, chapter and page did it said God is evil?
You got to be kidding right? In the Bible it said God is the author of all Righteous and Satan which is a fallen angel is the author of all evil.
Please read the Bible and before making yourself sound like you just speaking without anything to prove.
kempowarrior 2 years ago
Why is God the righteous one? Because he is more powerful? Does might make right? Just because God is powerful it doesn't necessarily make him good. God may very well be evil. However, it is more likely that GOD IS IMAGINARY. God said in Isaiah chpt 45 that he created evil. What if Satan is evil. Didn't God create Satan? Can't God get rid of Satan? I'm outspoken because I believe religion is bad. It corrupts minds. It stifles scientific progress. It divides humanity. Why don't you get this?
caposton 2 years ago
The interviewee is overly demonstrative, which is the first red flag. The doughnut hole argument is laughable, equivalent to a Jedi mind trick--it only works on the weak-minded.
Take, for example, a sin such as robbing a bank. It is not like a doughnut hole. It is a THING. You have to take action to make it happen--get a gun, a bag for the money, and then drive to the bank.
No wonder Christians are always falling prey to con artists who steal their money in investment scams.
ReligiousZombie 2 years ago
Your trying to draw conclusions that aren't even there. EVIL is not a thing. Robbery is an action, not a thing. So, I think you've failed to make your point. And even if robbery were a THING, it still doesn't clarify the point your trying to make.
grindcm 2 years ago
instead of creating a world where God knew Adam and Eve were going to sin, and cause evil to exist, why didn't God create a world where they weren't going to sin?
Aphex217Twin 2 years ago 2
Than were just going to like Robot if it were like that. How do know the joy of being warm if we do not know cold.
Because God said he is the only that is perfect.
kempowarrior 2 years ago
That is absurd. That degree of suffering in the world could only come from an entity that relishes in it. Or are you trying to say that poor old God is somehow stuck in the system he designed? Satan is the scapegoat. God could and should fix his mess. He has the power but refuses to. This is immoral. If someone had cancer I would heal them. No begging needed. This is because I'm a good person. God lets little babies starve and expects to be hailed as good?
caposton 2 years ago
you may also want to check out bitsandpeace the problem of evil
singsangvideo 2 years ago
For the word "evil" in your rantings, insert the word "love".
pecklepops 2 years ago
mmh, well, that wouldn't be logical. And i think a lot of things in scripture are really outdated. Of course im not sure wich scripture are you referring to
Diabolojr 2 years ago
The point i was trying to make here, is that i think the very definition of evil is still a little arbitrary, im not saying it isnt necessary to label something evil or not. its just that it complicates things when its not fully understood I dont think its that black and white.
Diabolojr 2 years ago