If the TKD knew how to keep his range which was near impossible, he would of done more damage... Then again for a black belt tkd guy his kicks are pretty sad.
see all the taekwon-do haters, why dont u go try a real TKD class as in ITF style and lets see what u think then. this is not a good example of ITF TKD.
You see this fight?It;s 6 minutes 21 sec that TKD guy was hitting the karate guy in the stomach and the karate guy wasnt feeling anything fact is that when you do karate you get an iron body.The tkd guy was in like a slow death he couldnt do anything if there was a karate fighter more aggresive this TKD guy would have been KO earlier ;).OSU
@reybatistafan I then have to say the same thing. If the tkd user was faster and used proper tkd, the karate guy would be ko'ed too. I mean, I have yellow belt in tkd (white then yellow). But this guy is even slower then me. And that he has a black belt is beyond me. In my tkd group, there is a guy who has a red belt but still kicks harder, faster and have better control on his feet then this guy. And iron body? A kick to the kidney would still ko you out. No matter how hard you are.
@Southpaw4warrior How many 'if' does TKD need ? hahaha. All you have to do is to prove YOUR MYTH, all blackbelt TKD guys in a wider court grow up to SUPERMAN.
@Hawaii0407 I agree on what you´re saying. It´s hard 2 believe that tkd works in a real street fight considering what you have seen on the differents vids. I admit that almost all of these tkd guys sucked. But that doesn´t mean I will let comments that are disrespecting tkd go by. I have not trained martial arts 4 long. But I have tested a lot of differents types. I have sparred against many different style types as well. Both with there rules and non. The one I liked the most where MT and TKD.
@Hawaii0407 And one more thing. I want to prove to you that tkd works in real life. So I´m going to buy a good camera to make my own vids. I will write to you when I do.
Ps. Don´t believe I´m some hardcore tkd fan. I like tkd, it was the first martial art I trained. But, my philosophy is the one in mma: Create a style fitting you. Everything works. But that doesn´t mean it works for you.
@Southpaw4warrior You mean Self-defence ? Just run, don't fight. You are misunderstanding a goal. MA for an ordinary person is to educate and build people mentally, spiritually, and physically. not for the match.
We are waiting your fight with K-1 fighter. But its far from real life.
@Southpaw4warrior I didnt speak for sensitive points....And its still the fighter not the style but believe me if this guy was not a kyokoshin karateka and he was a shotokan karateka he would have KO this guy cause in shotokan you learn to punch to the face too...But still avarage karateka > avarage TKD guy....
@reybatistafan A really good tkd user doesn't have to worry about things like getting punched in the face. Bcuz I myself love to throw punches, more then kicks. But when I fight a friend of my who practises tkd, I rarely hit him with one of my punches. He keep me at a distant with kicks. And all I can do is block, I can't attack. That would mean exposing myself to his kicks. If you are able to get close or grab a leg and then quickly throw them to the ground, they are toasted. But if not...
@Hawaii0407 Let me tell you about a story that happened to my biggest mentor when it comes down on martial art. He went to Thailand to try on real MA. He sparred against them. They blocked his kicks like nothing. So he taught "screw this shit" and started to kick tkd kicks instead. Which are a lot faster then MA and Karate kicks. If they blocked his first kick he just kicked with his other leg b4 they could react. Let me tell you that even the trainers got impressed.
@Southpaw4warrior I was bored your imaginations. Just no damage. If you were such strong TKD fighter, you could be TKD Champ and K1 Champ. But wait, I remember your post 'I have yellow belt in tkd (white then yellow)'. I can't trust you at all LOL.
I'll tell you AGAIN, all TKD propaganda movies are just fighting TKD vs TKD, and NEVER show the weak points of TKD fighting with MA.
@Hawaii0407 Dude firstly, belt colour in my eyes are bullshit. It tells you nothing about the other one. Secondly, I did say my style is not tkd, I'm a mma fighter. That's also the reason why I only have yellow. I've trained several martial arts. Cuz I believe that every martial art have something useful. And tkd has it flaws, but so does boxing. And combined you will have the best kicks and best punches. And if noticed, I've never spoke about my tkd.
@Hawaii0407 And one more thing. I didn't say that tkd is good bcuz of these vids. I'm talking of my one experience as a fighter. Did you actually believe I'm saying this bcuz of what I've seen not learned. Ppl who make assumption like that are idiots. Once again, I've trained several different martial arts. And now during this summer I've sparred several guys with different styles. Some tkd and some mt. I will never say one style is the best. Bcuz that's bullshit. It depends on YOU as a fighter.
@Hawaii0407 If you don't believe me. I don't care. My stories isn't made so I'll look cooler or smarter. Cuz the fact's. I get my ass whooped a lot. But it´s when they whoop my ass I can truly understand whom can punch the hardest or fastest. Bcuz you can never compare how good a guy is if you don't know how strong his opponent is. And the thing's, I know myself. But please tell me your experience and I can tell you mine. If you've beat a lot of tkd users, and that's your reason. Fine with me.
@Southpaw4warrior MMA? I remember we are talking TKD vs Karate. Why you have to change the story to a gun-shooter? hahaha, Anyhow, your imagination have nothing to do with this footage.
Ppl don't mind whether you are good at shooting guns or not, with your TKD yellowbelt. But we can't believe your fairytale, yellowbelts can use TKD arts better than TKD-Champ. In short, everyone believe NOT the imagination of yellowbelt BUT the footages of blackbelt/TKD-Champ.
@Hawaii0407 Dude. I never told you that I´m a good tkd fighter. But, I have seen and tasted real tkd. These guys on these footage may have black. But I have seen blue and red belts kicking much harder and faster then these guys. That's why I know that some of the things you're saying sound good. But it doesn't add up. Like, mt block with elbow and knee together, a good block. but a good tkd fighter chance foot mid air and kick you on the other side of your block.
@Hawaii0407 And what you're saying about yellowbelts can be better then black in a fight can be true too. And that's why I said ranking in belt is b-shit. But even you have said it know. There are some guy in "yellow" whom are better then this guy in tkd. Now, imagine him continue his training till he is black. Don't you believe he's gonna be a much better tkd fighter then this one? And now imagine he's out there somewhere... Just bcuz it's not filmed doesn't mean these guys doesn't exist.
@Hawaii0407 And the thing. I've seen the different between blue and blue belt myself. When I stared tkd. There were this 2 guy with blue belts. One of them I hated, bcuz he never fought nice when sparring. And one I was afraid of. And the one I hated, I didn't even had yellow when kicking his butt with pure tkd. But the other guy, I can't imagine myself be at his level even if I trained tkd for 6 year. So belts are bullshit. And once again, please tell me what experience YOU've.
@Southpaw4warrior Don't talk your imaginations. You are the frog in the well. You don't have a bravery/courage to see specific weak points of TKD. In addition, I never talk my imagination like you, nor cut off rare scene as propaganda movie.
@Hawaii0407 Ok. You want weak points? if you're able to grab the leg of a tkd user and quickly throw him to the ground or are able to get close, he's toasted. But every martial art has it weak and strong points. And so does karate. All I wanted to tell you is that it's up to the fighter, not the art. And propaganda movies. I have only shown you 2 of them. And that was bcuz you was always showing anti-tkd movies. Up till then I talked about experience. Which you clearly don't have. Noob!
@Hawaii0407 I didn't say it was propaganda. Those footages are true too. But the thing's that you watch these movies and make the conclusion that tkd suck. And that's a shame considering these tkd guys lose bcuz they're trying to fight like AN all arounder. And of course they're gonna lose a punch fight to a boxer or karateka. If these guys just had the trust and confident in tkd. They would use tkd properly, and then maybe won. But now they didn't. Bcuz noobs like you say it sucks.
@Southpaw4warrior Yes but when you are practicing karate-do you learn how to spar fast and strong so you won't even understand how a punch is landed to your solar plexus, face etc...
@reybatistafan Actually, a half year back I tested karate. And the trainer hit my solar plexus so hard during sparring I dropped my breath. But then I had only practised martial art for 2 years. And he was the only one who was able to beat the living crap out of me. Not the guys who had practised karate for 5 to 7 years. But real tkd is even faster then karate. Trust me, I have sparred against tkd, mt, karate, mma and boxing user. Both with rules and don't. And mt and tkd is the hardest.
@Southpaw4warrior Well then you gone to an mc dojo if you really find a good karate dojo then you'll understand what HARD means...See lyoto machida..he has a karate background he has beaten a lot of TDK guys for fun...Well in tkd sometimes im bored to see little kids with black belts that can even raise their foot to kick..
@reybatistafan Do you know which martial art that have been most ridiculed for doing the worst kicks? Karate. In every clud I have trained they looked down on karates way of performing kicks. Do you know what a curved back are called in almost every martial art their is? Karate back. And the reason is that every one said that karate user get such a back when they don't stretch and throw kicks without agility. It compensate that lack of it. Karate isn't "HARD", it's just stiff. Fucking meathead!
@Southpaw4warrior Well you dumn keybord warrior go say that to lyoto machida...karate is one of the hardest martial arts because you took some TKD lessons and u gone to an bad dojo that doesnt mean that karate is bad go fight a real karate fighter and you will get knocked out in less than 5 sec.Then you will see what agile kick means...
@reybatistafan 1) I've tested karate in 3 different clubs. Not "one". 2) I've never said I was good. A karate guy with black belt have whooped my ass as well a tkd guy with red. And frankly, I felt more pain with the tkd guy. 3) that vid. He kicked high, but that isn't the same thing as agility. It was like I said. That kick made him compensate something else. 4) I don't want to rip on karate. For me, every style works. The thing I wanted to tell you is that it depends on the person.
@reybatistafan One more thing. If you're mad bcuz I ripped on karate, I'll tell you that you've no right to. You're the one starting to say karate was best. Indirectly you insulted every martial art out there. karate, as all martial art have pros and cons. You said there are better karate guys out there than the one in this vid. I said the same thing about tkd. Plus everything you've said to me goes to you. Test real tkd, fight real tkd users. Once again. All styles are good. It's up to youself.
@Southpaw4warrior Man are you retarted?You are just turning your words back...omg and i didnt say karate is the best..one of the first things i wrote is ITS STILL THE ARTIST NOT THE ART but you were still saying a real TKD fighter is better blablabla all the time...and i told you just because you are taking TKD doesnt mean you can say its better than other martial arts..
@reybatistafan It´s you who're a hypocrite. You may had said that "it's the artist not the art". But at the same time you said things like, "KARATE gives you an iron body". And what, other martial arts don't? "If he were shotokan and not kyokoshin karateka... But still avarage karateka > avarage TKD guy..." Your words. If those words doesn't mean that karate is "better"... OMG you're a dumbass. And I have never said tkd is better, I even gave cons on it. Like grabbing and getting close.
@reybatistafan Plus. I only ripped on karate so you would realise that every martial art has its cons and pros. And when training martial art you have to find your own style. Sometimes you're lucky and the martial art you're training fits YOU perfectly. And my style isn't tkd. It's more like boxing with mt blocks. When you said that commentary about "if the karate guy was better". I wanted you to know it can go either way... The same goes about the tkd guy.
@Southpaw4warrior Look as bruce lee said and i agree that there should be no style of fighting the only thing you should probably say its im a martial artist not a karateka or a TKD guy or i dont know what.
@reybatistafan I never did say I was a tkd fighter. But if you were mistaking me 4 it when I said I practised it I apologise. I understand that you thought I said tkd is "best" bcuz, lets face it. Everyone are saying that their martial art is best. But hear me out when I'm telling you that I've trained and tested several martial arts. That's why I know everything works. But that doesn't mean it works 4 you. That's why you've to create a style 4 yourself. Mixed or not mixed. It's up to you.
@reybatistafan But know that we both agree that it´s up to the fighter not the style and our fight only started bcuz of misunderstandings. I believe we now can shake hands and say sorry bcuz we both have been doucebags. Sorry pal. I thought you were saying that karate is the best martial art and the rest sucks. Both trust me, karate has it good sides and bad sides as the rest. Like, one time I sparred against a 65 year old karateka. Let me just say I don't want to fight him again 4 awhile...
@reybatistafan Even tough I have not so many years of experience. I still have tested a lot of differents martial arts. Almost all the guys I have sparred against have been taller, stronger, older, heavier and had a lot more experience. All these guys have beaten the living crap out of me. That is why I believe I know what works and don't. Tkd have helped me a lot when sparring against these guys. And at the same time not. Bcuz these guys hit harder if you are able to hit them.
the kyokushin one is the man with NO gloves , look to his uniform ;) but they still fight like sissies :s... some guys in my dojo do better than this ( for the karaté )
@Sevv921 you may have misunderstood me. It seems like that 20th fighter is a stronger link in that style, and shouldn't be counted. You can't say the style is great because one guy from the style always wins while all the others lose.
I'm saying you need to take the weakest link from each of those styles and fit them together.
Now if you did understand me then your hypothetical question doesn't make sense to me.
The worst practitioner of every single style can't beat anyone... I mean if he is really the worst then he has to be really bad then he can't fight at all...
Every single style has weak points, but only the bests practitioners can tell you the weak points of their styles.
Anyway, there's a style for everybody and you can always mix styles. The best practitioners have experience in more than one style...
I think everyone has it backwards. You say its the practitioner not the style, and turn to the styles greatest fighter.
I think a styles effectiveness is not determined by the best practitioner, but by the worst practitioner. A styles strengths truly show when focusing on the weakest link.
@CentredOne what who would be consider the "worst practitioner"? someone who doesn't practice the style correctly? someone who supposely studys the style for a couple of years but doesn't practice it? or someone who just started learning the style for a couple of weeks?
the Taekwondo rules in there day to day training and torney rules i think makes there body weaker ... exelent style but low resistant too a Kyokushin fighter
The karate guy is not the one with gloves~~ The red ribbon hanging there is for the judge the give score to white or red side. The guy with gloves's uniform has a black collar which is Taekwondo's black belt uniform
no mater what it is said about the two arts in this case is practiced as a sprot with rules and restrictions it may make you stronger than the average person with no training but not a martial artist that has persied combat efectivness outside the ring
@rufusbone Likely because you'll only fight pure style confrontations on amateur levels. Professional fighters wouldn't soon get into a match under different rules without familiarising themselves with the style.
Low level matches ussually mark themselves because they're a bit messy. Both fighters are not highly trained, so they won't keep their perfect form under pressure. Neither do they wear protection, so it really hurts for beginners.
Excuse me but im a red belt in WTF TKD and this 'black belt' is a disgrace a joke even. at my level of skill i am dead certain i could kick the spit out of this karate reject. my Master is Master Sungjin Cho 5th Dan black belt in TKD not to mention 3rd Dan in Kumdo and 3rd Dan in Judo, he also trained the south korean military for 12.5 years his TKD training is as pure as it comes i would openly accept a challenge from any karate fighter any day to prove it!!!
@rufusbone oh he has tried, but uh, i know my abilities well enough to know what i can do. if my PC werent such a crappy old dinosaur i would upload some videos of me pulling off some pretty amazing martial arts stunts.
@otoha0309 haha cool.. yea i had some good footage of my hapkido demos, gradings and some tkd tournaments from when i was younger on an old video that got chewed.. sux.. wish i had a computer back then..
people can argue for ever about which techniques are the best but really the reason why kyokushin often wins these things could be more easily attributed to the intensity of training than the style of fighting.
that is why the tkd guy looks so worn out by about half way while the kyo fighter doesnt seem to break a sweat
Tae Kwon Do is more strike counter-strike than defense - and - counter-strike which some fighters dont quite use defense. But they get their kicks correct almost 90%. So this means its easy enough for Kyokushin guys to exploit that 10% lapse easily.
Sure they TKD guys have the amoury of kicks but what do they have to show in defense. Very rare i see strikes being blocked by TKD fighters.
Kyokushin Karate is NOT about being aggressive. Its about going beyond your limits. Its about training and conditioning yourself to be able to withstand your opponents hits so you'll be physically and mentally stronger.
Its about a lot of stuff. I just cant think of it all right now lol.
In sparring, the harder you hit your opponent, the harder they will hit you. So you do have to control yourself.
eehhhmm, anyone notice the stance, they are both kyokushin, taekwondo always hands down, and horse stance sideways, so all of you who think this is kyokushin vs taekwondo your are fools(you canwear gloves if you ahve injury or somthing like that)
@ChronosNAME0600 hey dude... don't they change stances when they're fighting ppl from other styles... also... taekwondo guy's robe was sewn down the front with black collar linings... while the karate guy's wearing a gi that you have to tie up, so as far as the uniforms go... kyokushin v. taekwondo would be pretty accurate
@ChronosNAME0600 The taekwondo Guy has his hands up because this fight is under Kyokushin rules, NOT taekwondo rules. I should know, i practice Kyokushin :p
So please don't say that we're fools, 'Cause you're the only one making yourself look like the fool here. Osu.
ok for people who doesnt understand taekwondo taekwondo is a sport and its not about fighting and one of vid a taekwondo master pwned a karate master right on the head he was ko for good
The TKD-Kyokushin fights always end the same way. The taekwondo fighter gets in some good shots early on but loses in the end to the fighter better conditioned for this kind of fight. I have great respect for taekwondo, but you're not going to beat a kyokushin man at his own game.
ok stop saying tae kwon do is bad seriously never doubt any type of martial arts NEVER martial arts is bout respect and self control as well as keeping focused tae kwon dow is not bad its the instructer that teaches his or her students what im taught is tae kwon dow kemp jui jitsu kickboxing tai chi and krav maga
in karate they train you to take hits and absorb. over here begining of each class you get punched and kicked 100 times and after. the style is confusing to opponents, it is hard to tell what kind of kick or punch they will do
In competitions taekwondo following kyoksuhin rules, taekwondo following karate rules, taekwondo following others rules................ NOT karate, kyoksuhin, others following taekwondo rules in competition...... If they follow taekwondo sparring rules kyoksuhin, karate, other fighters will be knocked down by taekwondo fighter.....................................
In competitions taekwondo following kyoksuhin rules, taekwondo following karate rules, taekwondo following others rules................ NOT karate, kyoksuhin, others following taekwondo rules in competition...... If they follow taekwondo sparring rules kyoksuhin, karate, other fighters will be knocked down by taekwondo fighter.....................................
Using the ball of your foot is the traditional foot shape for breaking/power/damage etc. In TKD you will always use the top of your foot in sparring so that you do not injure your opponent. Is this the same in Karate sparring?
I think the fundemental difference is that this was a Karate match where very powerful techniques are prefered over scoring points. This is a good test for strength but its no wonder the TKD fighter loses because his usual matches are not toughness tests.
TKD is based on kicks, it lacks punches, a no matter how fast you can strike with leg, you can always strike faster with fist, wich means, combine TKD with some other MA
@MarcstonX7q traditional TKD has open and closed hands, kicks, elbows, knees, headbutts, throws, ect. Also tradition and ITF are known to used far more hand techniques then u see in olympic style. Olympic style doesnt use hands at all, but ITF is at least 50% hands, and traditional is more like 70% hands.
@ikcjjtt Don't know, but traditional TKD reminds me too much of Hapkido, I see little diffrence,and ITF looks too showstyle, I'm not saying TKD is bad, I'm training Ninjitsu for over 10 years and BJJ for 4, and now I'm looking into TKD
@MarcstonX7q by the sounds of it, you might not like TKD unless your looking to get into it for the sporting side. TKD really is about showboating but its the rules that promote that, extra points for air techniques etc, some competition even award more points for scoring more complex techniques.
NO one art is better than another..its the practitioner Duh!
Check out Paul Doumbia Swedish ITF Tae Kwon Do Champion beat a KK fighter. Check out Stephen Tapilatu...its the fighter. BUT i will say that the KK conditioning programme is one of the best there is, so there IS a lot to be said for the way a practitioner trains. There are plenty of TKD fighters who realise this and cross train. Besides that....I've personally got no time for fighting systems that compete without head punches.
@MrEllaitch There is a reason kyokushin has no head punches, Its not healthy... the brain is the most important part of your body and damaging it, is just stupid, even for the sake of the sport.
what the hell? this dude isn't sparring like a WTF fighter? he's mainly punching, since when did WTF fighters punch mostly? his kicks are horrible he doesn't bring his leg up then snap out like WTF teaches and isn't in the WTF sparring side stance?
hey guys, this kyokushin fighter doesn't look affected by every single hit from the taekwondo fighter right?? actually, he is hurt. but every single hit from his opponent is determining him to move forward and forgetting the damages. in the other hand, every time the taekwondo fighter hit. his fighting spirit is decreasing when he saw his opponent is not damaged.
@ZEN824 i see that now. I've always seen Karate fighters to drive forward no matter what, where TKD is always more evasive (not that its a bad thing, different tactic). But not showing the damage... that is definately a tactic I will be thinking about now. Thanks for that
@magnificationman but when a kyokushin practitioner that usually force to move forward but suddenly move backward without your force, don't get into that one. it's completely a trick but a good tactic... this tactic works best with wheel kick and spin kick to the head... here's a tip for you, you should do more defense than offense. because if you offense more, you are likely forgot to block any devastating attack. it's not just defense but more defense. with this you can focus more power in..
i admit that kyokushin karate is better than taekwondo nowadays because nowadays most school taekwondo train their student by sport like and not how most other martial art do. they doewsn't know how to train their student to fight. they train their student to be an athlete. and not most teaches the deep core of taekwondo.....
Let me tell you all people that say ''It's not the style that matters it's the practitioner''
That is bullshit!
The practitioner's skills will depend on his training.If he trains like shit he'll not be good.If someone learns more things than another he has a lot more chances to become better.And just compare it to a sport like hokey.The hokey player that is coached by a bad coach will not be as good as the one who has a great coach.
WTF TKD V Kyokushin is a no brainer. KKarate will take TKD apart at close range every time with body punches. The WTF guy wasn't utilising his strengths i.e. his legs. what a mug. Who cares whose style is better than whose? its usually ONLY ever tested within a rules based framework anyway.
Practice the basics. that's what'll save your life. the rest is white noise. But as i'm here ITF TKD is a more rounded style of TKD than WTF and as for Kyokushin, i couldn't compete without using my fists.
None of them are using TKD of either WTF or ITF. Besides, never judge a martial art by whats allowed in its typical sparring, only the street fight can tell and usually the better conditioned fighter wins.
The problem is that in a TKD tournament the goal is to mostly land a lot of strike points. So lots of TKD people go into a fight with a thinking they can win by throwing a completely non-strategic flurry when really they're just wasting energy. However, there are a few "combat" TKD places that teach their students to legitimately strategize their fights and pick apart their opponents. This is not the case for WTF TKD though.
Well said. I've trained in WTF Taekwondo, and I've moved on to Muay Thai. Sparring in WTF Taekwondo now seems rather tame. Plus we were never taught about dealing with people that come in close.
yes, wtf tkd does teach u to deal with a person that is trying to come close to u. u gotta move back and keep on kicking. and sure tkd is out matched by a lot of martial arts, just because it uses the leg. plus the rules of this match leaves tkd at a disadvantage, because it's the karate rule. now wat would the result be if it was a tkd rule? it's obvious tkd would win. plus it doesn't matter about the art it's about the person who uses it that really determines the outcome of a fight.
I think what ends up happening is that Tae Kwon Do is all about range. If you play by their game then they'll beat the shit out of you. But TKD has a well know weakness against close in fighters...so when they put it against any martial art that can fight in close they end up getting spanked.
TKD needs to learn more close in fighting techniques if they want to be able to swing with the other styles
@pzb1937 actually it depends how the fighter reacts...and a tae kwon do fighter can knockout with one kick like the tornado kick/jumping turning roundhouse kick!!! search it here on youtube TORNADO KICK!!! I am actually a taekwondo fighter but second to the lowest rank (low yellow)
@pzb1937 actually it depends how the fighter reacts...and a tae kwon do fighter can knockout with one kick like the tornado kick/jumping turning roundhouse kick!!! search it here on youtube TORNADO KICK!!!
Tae Kwon Do was a martial arts developed after Japan invaded korean. They couldn't practice their normal arts so they forced karate to the Koreans. The Koreans in defiance put some of their arts into karate. It comes from an older Korean art that uses a lot of kicks. That one is different from Tae Kwon Do. The other one, which is lost to time and only done somewhat in ceremonies, was used in their ancient military.
Tae Kwon Do became impractical because of the mixture in the two.
@VagabonNinja TKD didnt become impracticle because of its mix of foreign martial arts. It became impracticle because it was turn into a sport. Back in the 40s, 50s, and early 60s, TKD was defined as the way of HANDs and FEET. This included, headbutts, elbows, knees, throws, open and closed hands, kicks, weapons defence, cross training in Hapkido,self defense, ect. It was done under full contact with no padding. up until the late 70s, every sparring matched ended with someone in the hospital.
@VagabonNinja What changed it was the rules they put in place. starting out with no contact sparring, no hits to the face (kicks were ok), punches to the body, and kicks to the body.
It went from vale tudo (groin shots, eye gouges, leg kicks, throws, head butts, knees, elbows, ect)
to kickboxing with no punching. In the 80s it just got worse. Now they didnt even use continous sparring, they used point sparing. no what little cardio they got was gone. By the 90s and 2000s olympic sparring-
@VagabonNinja Not just TKD either, but karate and kung fu as well. I mean just talk to people who did karate in the 1950s, the 60s,70s, and so forth.Modern kung fu is just a dance now. Litterally, people doing dances and acting like animals. Kung fu was of the "one hit one kill" philosophy that inspired karate. now both arts are "no hits or way to many hits and no kills or Knockouts". This is what happens when u turn stuff into a sport. I mean, no hits to the face? really?
@VagabonNinja and what really baffels me is that people will actually pit these arts against each other and try to see which one is better. Often times the guy fighting under foreign rules loses, and people have the odassity to claim this and that about the style that won or lost. And go on and on about practicality and street fights and shit. Im like, u fight under a system that doesnt even allow hits to the face. If u cant handle a punch to the face, what makes u think either of these fighters
@VagabonNinja -would survive a street attack of usually multiple people doing nothing but punching to the face. Its like i stepped into the Twilight zone. Its the pot calling the kettle black on this practicality issue. U dont learn how to fight on the street in a ring, particularly one with silly rules.
I think the real reason is because when the martial arts were developed, people didn't really know how to fight. The fist wasn't really used right when the media wasn't showing action movies or ring fights. So martial arts essentially gave people a more fit body and more agile with some moves to use. These moves worked on people who didn't know how to fight. Nowadays, people know some rudementary skill at least and martial arts doesn't work as well as it did.
@VagabonNinja people fight the same way they do today as they did 10,000 years ago. U only have two arms and two legs. Fighting styles dont vary that much. Action movies and watching ring fights dont teach people how to fight. People with no real training have the same skill today as they did 10,000 yrs ago. Martial arts is just an idea. punching somebody in the face works just as well as it did 10,000 yrs ago as.The problem is fewer people are learning how to punch in the face.
I disagree with that. I remember seeing some fights. There were no forms and the close fist wasn't used according to boxing techniques. It was either grasping and trying to wrestle or slamming with the side of the fist.
It is the popularity of boxing that people began really using the boxing stance and fist. In nature, this isn't a natural stance for fighting. Untrained fighting is going in like tigers and wrestling or flailing.
-taekwondo, wtf?? =))
ctiberiu89 1 day ago
the two guys sucks!!!
Karma42347017 6 days ago
taekwondo is like fastest lightnning this tkd kid good but not high profile
tkdwarrior027 1 month ago
I fell asleep before reaching half of the clip. :(
peposo7 2 months ago
Callese es mejor el TKD!!
JorgeVenegasVEVO 3 months ago
If the TKD knew how to keep his range which was near impossible, he would of done more damage... Then again for a black belt tkd guy his kicks are pretty sad.
Infernalcx 3 months ago
We have stepping backward skill before learning MA.
Hawaii0407 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 what non martial artists call running away.
peposo7 2 months ago
taekowndo is the best !
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Hawaii0407 4 months ago
see all the taekwon-do haters, why dont u go try a real TKD class as in ITF style and lets see what u think then. this is not a good example of ITF TKD.
djmarkyno1 5 months ago
The gays fight I've ever seen! !!!!!!
los1739 5 months ago
You see this fight?It;s 6 minutes 21 sec that TKD guy was hitting the karate guy in the stomach and the karate guy wasnt feeling anything fact is that when you do karate you get an iron body.The tkd guy was in like a slow death he couldnt do anything if there was a karate fighter more aggresive this TKD guy would have been KO earlier ;).OSU
reybatistafan 5 months ago
@reybatistafan I then have to say the same thing. If the tkd user was faster and used proper tkd, the karate guy would be ko'ed too. I mean, I have yellow belt in tkd (white then yellow). But this guy is even slower then me. And that he has a black belt is beyond me. In my tkd group, there is a guy who has a red belt but still kicks harder, faster and have better control on his feet then this guy. And iron body? A kick to the kidney would still ko you out. No matter how hard you are.
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior How many 'if' does TKD need ? hahaha. All you have to do is to prove YOUR MYTH, all blackbelt TKD guys in a wider court grow up to SUPERMAN.
Hawaii0407 5 months ago
@Hawaii0407 I agree on what you´re saying. It´s hard 2 believe that tkd works in a real street fight considering what you have seen on the differents vids. I admit that almost all of these tkd guys sucked. But that doesn´t mean I will let comments that are disrespecting tkd go by. I have not trained martial arts 4 long. But I have tested a lot of differents types. I have sparred against many different style types as well. Both with there rules and non. The one I liked the most where MT and TKD.
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Hawaii0407 And one more thing. I want to prove to you that tkd works in real life. So I´m going to buy a good camera to make my own vids. I will write to you when I do.
Ps. Don´t believe I´m some hardcore tkd fan. I like tkd, it was the first martial art I trained. But, my philosophy is the one in mma: Create a style fitting you. Everything works. But that doesn´t mean it works for you.
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior You mean Self-defence ? Just run, don't fight. You are misunderstanding a goal. MA for an ordinary person is to educate and build people mentally, spiritually, and physically. not for the match.
We are waiting your fight with K-1 fighter. But its far from real life.
Hawaii0407 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior I didnt speak for sensitive points....And its still the fighter not the style but believe me if this guy was not a kyokoshin karateka and he was a shotokan karateka he would have KO this guy cause in shotokan you learn to punch to the face too...But still avarage karateka > avarage TKD guy....
reybatistafan 5 months ago
@reybatistafan A really good tkd user doesn't have to worry about things like getting punched in the face. Bcuz I myself love to throw punches, more then kicks. But when I fight a friend of my who practises tkd, I rarely hit him with one of my punches. He keep me at a distant with kicks. And all I can do is block, I can't attack. That would mean exposing myself to his kicks. If you are able to get close or grab a leg and then quickly throw them to the ground, they are toasted. But if not...
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior 'A really good tkd user' is just your dream. We are sure you don't know MA at all. Go Karate gym ASAP.
TKD couldn't keep knee away ( watch?v=6o_Rt-UWjoI )
Winner=punch, Andy Hug vs Pierre Guenette the ITF-Champ ( watch?v=w5dSSyRUb3g )
Winner=punch, Beginner K-1 Fighter vs TKD Champ ( watch?v=EvAF6vQQYGg )
Hawaii0407 5 months ago
@Hawaii0407 Let me tell you about a story that happened to my biggest mentor when it comes down on martial art. He went to Thailand to try on real MA. He sparred against them. They blocked his kicks like nothing. So he taught "screw this shit" and started to kick tkd kicks instead. Which are a lot faster then MA and Karate kicks. If they blocked his first kick he just kicked with his other leg b4 they could react. Let me tell you that even the trainers got impressed.
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior I was bored your imaginations. Just no damage. If you were such strong TKD fighter, you could be TKD Champ and K1 Champ. But wait, I remember your post 'I have yellow belt in tkd (white then yellow)'. I can't trust you at all LOL.
I'll tell you AGAIN, all TKD propaganda movies are just fighting TKD vs TKD, and NEVER show the weak points of TKD fighting with MA.
Hawaii0407 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 Dude firstly, belt colour in my eyes are bullshit. It tells you nothing about the other one. Secondly, I did say my style is not tkd, I'm a mma fighter. That's also the reason why I only have yellow. I've trained several martial arts. Cuz I believe that every martial art have something useful. And tkd has it flaws, but so does boxing. And combined you will have the best kicks and best punches. And if noticed, I've never spoke about my tkd.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 And one more thing. I didn't say that tkd is good bcuz of these vids. I'm talking of my one experience as a fighter. Did you actually believe I'm saying this bcuz of what I've seen not learned. Ppl who make assumption like that are idiots. Once again, I've trained several different martial arts. And now during this summer I've sparred several guys with different styles. Some tkd and some mt. I will never say one style is the best. Bcuz that's bullshit. It depends on YOU as a fighter.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Even TKD Champ is bullshit for you. No one can't believe your story.
Hawaii0407 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 If you don't believe me. I don't care. My stories isn't made so I'll look cooler or smarter. Cuz the fact's. I get my ass whooped a lot. But it´s when they whoop my ass I can truly understand whom can punch the hardest or fastest. Bcuz you can never compare how good a guy is if you don't know how strong his opponent is. And the thing's, I know myself. But please tell me your experience and I can tell you mine. If you've beat a lot of tkd users, and that's your reason. Fine with me.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior MMA? I remember we are talking TKD vs Karate. Why you have to change the story to a gun-shooter? hahaha, Anyhow, your imagination have nothing to do with this footage.
Ppl don't mind whether you are good at shooting guns or not, with your TKD yellowbelt. But we can't believe your fairytale, yellowbelts can use TKD arts better than TKD-Champ. In short, everyone believe NOT the imagination of yellowbelt BUT the footages of blackbelt/TKD-Champ.
You are too late, beyond saving.
Hawaii0407 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 Dude. I never told you that I´m a good tkd fighter. But, I have seen and tasted real tkd. These guys on these footage may have black. But I have seen blue and red belts kicking much harder and faster then these guys. That's why I know that some of the things you're saying sound good. But it doesn't add up. Like, mt block with elbow and knee together, a good block. but a good tkd fighter chance foot mid air and kick you on the other side of your block.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 And what you're saying about yellowbelts can be better then black in a fight can be true too. And that's why I said ranking in belt is b-shit. But even you have said it know. There are some guy in "yellow" whom are better then this guy in tkd. Now, imagine him continue his training till he is black. Don't you believe he's gonna be a much better tkd fighter then this one? And now imagine he's out there somewhere... Just bcuz it's not filmed doesn't mean these guys doesn't exist.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 And the thing. I've seen the different between blue and blue belt myself. When I stared tkd. There were this 2 guy with blue belts. One of them I hated, bcuz he never fought nice when sparring. And one I was afraid of. And the one I hated, I didn't even had yellow when kicking his butt with pure tkd. But the other guy, I can't imagine myself be at his level even if I trained tkd for 6 year. So belts are bullshit. And once again, please tell me what experience YOU've.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Don't talk your imaginations. You are the frog in the well. You don't have a bravery/courage to see specific weak points of TKD. In addition, I never talk my imagination like you, nor cut off rare scene as propaganda movie.
Hawaii0407 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 Ok. You want weak points? if you're able to grab the leg of a tkd user and quickly throw him to the ground or are able to get close, he's toasted. But every martial art has it weak and strong points. And so does karate. All I wanted to tell you is that it's up to the fighter, not the art. And propaganda movies. I have only shown you 2 of them. And that was bcuz you was always showing anti-tkd movies. Up till then I talked about experience. Which you clearly don't have. Noob!
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior I have never heard K1 footages are propaganda movies. Do you have mental illness?
Hawaii0407 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 I didn't say it was propaganda. Those footages are true too. But the thing's that you watch these movies and make the conclusion that tkd suck. And that's a shame considering these tkd guys lose bcuz they're trying to fight like AN all arounder. And of course they're gonna lose a punch fight to a boxer or karateka. If these guys just had the trust and confident in tkd. They would use tkd properly, and then maybe won. But now they didn't. Bcuz noobs like you say it sucks.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
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@Southpaw4warrior Don't mislead. I said shit not TKD champ but TKD STYLE. I said shit not TKD champ but yellowbelted you or your imagination.
Hawaii0407 4 months ago
@Hawaii0407 And watch these clips. (watch?v=B3S91YOLP90&feature=related) (watch?v=JlNlrjmaCps) Perfect executed tkd kicks. Basics too.
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Sorry, I meant my "own" experience. Not "one".
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior watch?v=v0n2-mZoU40 this isnt agile for you right??just because you are taking tkd doesnt mean you can desgrase other martial arts
reybatistafan 4 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Yes but when you are practicing karate-do you learn how to spar fast and strong so you won't even understand how a punch is landed to your solar plexus, face etc...
reybatistafan 5 months ago
@reybatistafan Actually, a half year back I tested karate. And the trainer hit my solar plexus so hard during sparring I dropped my breath. But then I had only practised martial art for 2 years. And he was the only one who was able to beat the living crap out of me. Not the guys who had practised karate for 5 to 7 years. But real tkd is even faster then karate. Trust me, I have sparred against tkd, mt, karate, mma and boxing user. Both with rules and don't. And mt and tkd is the hardest.
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Well then you gone to an mc dojo if you really find a good karate dojo then you'll understand what HARD means...See lyoto machida..he has a karate background he has beaten a lot of TDK guys for fun...Well in tkd sometimes im bored to see little kids with black belts that can even raise their foot to kick..
reybatistafan 5 months ago
@reybatistafan Do you know which martial art that have been most ridiculed for doing the worst kicks? Karate. In every clud I have trained they looked down on karates way of performing kicks. Do you know what a curved back are called in almost every martial art their is? Karate back. And the reason is that every one said that karate user get such a back when they don't stretch and throw kicks without agility. It compensate that lack of it. Karate isn't "HARD", it's just stiff. Fucking meathead!
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Well you dumn keybord warrior go say that to lyoto machida...karate is one of the hardest martial arts because you took some TKD lessons and u gone to an bad dojo that doesnt mean that karate is bad go fight a real karate fighter and you will get knocked out in less than 5 sec.Then you will see what agile kick means...
reybatistafan 4 months ago
@reybatistafan 1) I've tested karate in 3 different clubs. Not "one". 2) I've never said I was good. A karate guy with black belt have whooped my ass as well a tkd guy with red. And frankly, I felt more pain with the tkd guy. 3) that vid. He kicked high, but that isn't the same thing as agility. It was like I said. That kick made him compensate something else. 4) I don't want to rip on karate. For me, every style works. The thing I wanted to tell you is that it depends on the person.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@reybatistafan One more thing. If you're mad bcuz I ripped on karate, I'll tell you that you've no right to. You're the one starting to say karate was best. Indirectly you insulted every martial art out there. karate, as all martial art have pros and cons. You said there are better karate guys out there than the one in this vid. I said the same thing about tkd. Plus everything you've said to me goes to you. Test real tkd, fight real tkd users. Once again. All styles are good. It's up to youself.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Man are you retarted?You are just turning your words back...omg and i didnt say karate is the best..one of the first things i wrote is ITS STILL THE ARTIST NOT THE ART but you were still saying a real TKD fighter is better blablabla all the time...and i told you just because you are taking TKD doesnt mean you can say its better than other martial arts..
reybatistafan 4 months ago
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@reybatistafan It´s you who're a hypocrite. You may had said that "it's the artist not the art". But at the same time you said things like, "KARATE gives you an iron body". And what, other martial arts don't? "If he were shotokan and not kyokoshin karateka... But still avarage karateka > avarage TKD guy..." Your words. If those words doesn't mean that karate is "better"... OMG you're a dumbass. And I have never said tkd is better, I even gave cons on it. Like grabbing and getting close.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@reybatistafan Plus. I only ripped on karate so you would realise that every martial art has its cons and pros. And when training martial art you have to find your own style. Sometimes you're lucky and the martial art you're training fits YOU perfectly. And my style isn't tkd. It's more like boxing with mt blocks. When you said that commentary about "if the karate guy was better". I wanted you to know it can go either way... The same goes about the tkd guy.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Look as bruce lee said and i agree that there should be no style of fighting the only thing you should probably say its im a martial artist not a karateka or a TKD guy or i dont know what.
reybatistafan 4 months ago
@reybatistafan I never did say I was a tkd fighter. But if you were mistaking me 4 it when I said I practised it I apologise. I understand that you thought I said tkd is "best" bcuz, lets face it. Everyone are saying that their martial art is best. But hear me out when I'm telling you that I've trained and tested several martial arts. That's why I know everything works. But that doesn't mean it works 4 you. That's why you've to create a style 4 yourself. Mixed or not mixed. It's up to you.
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@reybatistafan But know that we both agree that it´s up to the fighter not the style and our fight only started bcuz of misunderstandings. I believe we now can shake hands and say sorry bcuz we both have been doucebags. Sorry pal. I thought you were saying that karate is the best martial art and the rest sucks. Both trust me, karate has it good sides and bad sides as the rest. Like, one time I sparred against a 65 year old karateka. Let me just say I don't want to fight him again 4 awhile...
Southpaw4warrior 4 months ago
@reybatistafan Even tough I have not so many years of experience. I still have tested a lot of differents martial arts. Almost all the guys I have sparred against have been taller, stronger, older, heavier and had a lot more experience. All these guys have beaten the living crap out of me. That is why I believe I know what works and don't. Tkd have helped me a lot when sparring against these guys. And at the same time not. Bcuz these guys hit harder if you are able to hit them.
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
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tkd is always running away like pussies
TKDsuckass 6 months ago
the kyokushin one is the man with NO gloves , look to his uniform ;) but they still fight like sissies :s... some guys in my dojo do better than this ( for the karaté )
Fonzy62210 6 months ago
@Fonzy62210 I agree, same 4 me. (On the behalf of Sundsvall Taekwondo)
Southpaw4warrior 5 months ago
@Southpaw4warrior Patrick Smith forgot groves resulting... Karateka broke his fist. TKD loss again. ( watch?v=wgb0yJe2v4s )
Hawaii0407 5 months ago
Just don't know why i feel like they are fighting like sissies :(
tanbro05 7 months ago
@Sevv921 you may have misunderstood me. It seems like that 20th fighter is a stronger link in that style, and shouldn't be counted. You can't say the style is great because one guy from the style always wins while all the others lose.
I'm saying you need to take the weakest link from each of those styles and fit them together.
Now if you did understand me then your hypothetical question doesn't make sense to me.
CentredOne 7 months ago
@CentredOne
The worst practitioner of every single style can't beat anyone... I mean if he is really the worst then he has to be really bad then he can't fight at all...
Every single style has weak points, but only the bests practitioners can tell you the weak points of their styles.
Anyway, there's a style for everybody and you can always mix styles. The best practitioners have experience in more than one style...
PwnedFromDiNSIDE 7 months ago
man...both of this guys have no speed, no power....
Gin520 9 months ago
Thigh kicks beat head kick attempts!
FastGroinKick 9 months ago
the kyokushin guy, is he real black belt?....
yingzhanshi5 9 months ago
the kyokushin guy, is he real black belt?....
yingzhanshi5 9 months ago
I think everyone has it backwards. You say its the practitioner not the style, and turn to the styles greatest fighter.
I think a styles effectiveness is not determined by the best practitioner, but by the worst practitioner. A styles strengths truly show when focusing on the weakest link.
CentredOne 10 months ago
@CentredOne what who would be consider the "worst practitioner"? someone who doesn't practice the style correctly? someone who supposely studys the style for a couple of years but doesn't practice it? or someone who just started learning the style for a couple of weeks?
private11229 9 months ago
@private11229 I'd say all the above maybe except for "B"
CentredOne 9 months ago
When I saw the title I was like "What the fuck is what the fuck karate?"
qwertyuiop298 10 months ago
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小支那 無能 香港 兒 ㅋㅋ.
hpcube 11 months ago
the Taekwondo rules in there day to day training and torney rules i think makes there body weaker ... exelent style but low resistant too a Kyokushin fighter
VagabundoX 11 months ago
guessing this is in hong kong. Cause i hear cantonese
RC885 1 year ago
Why is it that every video I watch the taekwondo guy is wearing gloves and the other guy isnt
warrlic2 1 year ago
@warrlic2 Because taekwondo doesn't teach proper conditioning of the hand so they must wear gloves to prevent damaged knuckles
SuperBluepurple 11 months ago
@SuperBluepurple that depends on the style ITF rules it teaches both hands and feet WTF (seen above doesnt)
warrlic2 11 months ago
@warrlic2 The karate guy is the one with the gloves. =p. Look at the red ribbon hanging from his belt.
TheColosseum09 6 months ago
@TheColosseum09
The karate guy is not the one with gloves~~ The red ribbon hanging there is for the judge the give score to white or red side. The guy with gloves's uniform has a black collar which is Taekwondo's black belt uniform
kurtleung 6 months ago
@kurtleung Yeah, I'm aware. My bad.
TheColosseum09 6 months ago
no mater what it is said about the two arts in this case is practiced as a sprot with rules and restrictions it may make you stronger than the average person with no training but not a martial artist that has persied combat efectivness outside the ring
baterosinalma 1 year ago
Nivel muito baixo dos dois competidores...
pergentinojr 1 year ago
why are tkd fighters in tkd v karate or muat thai fights on youtube always so crap.. don't any decent fighters film their fights....
rufusbone 1 year ago
@rufusbone Likely because you'll only fight pure style confrontations on amateur levels. Professional fighters wouldn't soon get into a match under different rules without familiarising themselves with the style.
Low level matches ussually mark themselves because they're a bit messy. Both fighters are not highly trained, so they won't keep their perfect form under pressure. Neither do they wear protection, so it really hurts for beginners.
Blahb27 1 year ago
WHAT THE FUCK WHIT 2 GUYS black belt :-))) white was best ..make tdx to leaf
TheRcezarr 1 year ago
Excuse me but im a red belt in WTF TKD and this 'black belt' is a disgrace a joke even. at my level of skill i am dead certain i could kick the spit out of this karate reject. my Master is Master Sungjin Cho 5th Dan black belt in TKD not to mention 3rd Dan in Kumdo and 3rd Dan in Judo, he also trained the south korean military for 12.5 years his TKD training is as pure as it comes i would openly accept a challenge from any karate fighter any day to prove it!!!
otoha0309 1 year ago
@otoha0309 I guess your master didn't teach you about modesty and humility then...
rufusbone 1 year ago
@rufusbone oh he has tried, but uh, i know my abilities well enough to know what i can do. if my PC werent such a crappy old dinosaur i would upload some videos of me pulling off some pretty amazing martial arts stunts.
otoha0309 1 year ago
@otoha0309 haha cool.. yea i had some good footage of my hapkido demos, gradings and some tkd tournaments from when i was younger on an old video that got chewed.. sux.. wish i had a computer back then..
rufusbone 1 year ago
TKD born to lose ?
oOGreatLordOo 1 year ago
people can argue for ever about which techniques are the best but really the reason why kyokushin often wins these things could be more easily attributed to the intensity of training than the style of fighting.
that is why the tkd guy looks so worn out by about half way while the kyo fighter doesnt seem to break a sweat
EndOfTheOuroboros 1 year ago
Tae Kwon Do is more strike counter-strike than defense - and - counter-strike which some fighters dont quite use defense. But they get their kicks correct almost 90%. So this means its easy enough for Kyokushin guys to exploit that 10% lapse easily.
Sure they TKD guys have the amoury of kicks but what do they have to show in defense. Very rare i see strikes being blocked by TKD fighters.
lakc24 1 year ago
que penca ese karateca me da verguanza
99matias98 1 year ago
im a tae kwon do practitioner but ya.. i gotta say it depends on the fighter.. and
i gotta say tae kwon do lacks the use of fists. i been to couple tae kwon do gyms
but they all train their legs more than their fists. and kyokushin to me kinda seems
like a lil kick boxing (japanese style)
minrulz 1 year ago
the tae kwon do ka were a courageous fighter too, but the best win
gwennblei 1 year ago
上段への蹴りが出せなくなってしまった段階でテコンドーの負けが決まってしまった。最初に入った膝外からの下段回し、そのあと内側からも入ってしまい、左足が効いちゃって中盤以降持ち味が出せない状態。グローブ無しの正拳突きをテコンドーの人が我慢するのはムリ。
dai2shonanmaru 1 year ago
TKD are dancers compared to KKK.
God Bless The Great Great Master OYAMO For the strongest form of empty hand combat.
fyerguardian 1 year ago
To be fair, the guy in the video practice WTF taekondo whcih is..........sign......
Some ITF guys really got some real stuff
I am a kyokushin practioner myself
oscar11737 1 year ago
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I disagree.
I've learned TKD and Kyokushin Karate.
Kyokushin Karate is NOT about being aggressive. Its about going beyond your limits. Its about training and conditioning yourself to be able to withstand your opponents hits so you'll be physically and mentally stronger.
Its about a lot of stuff. I just cant think of it all right now lol.
In sparring, the harder you hit your opponent, the harder they will hit you. So you do have to control yourself.
razorify 1 year ago
blah blah blah..blah blah blah blah. holyshit!! why do I have such bad grammar?? blah blah blah blah
CRISMIN00 1 year ago
tae kwon do is a brutal art tho its have been changed into a SPORT aiming for POINTS that gives that make u weak in combat
xingxhifiqi 1 year ago
The TKD guy was actually a bit lucky since Kyokushin forbids head punches when bare knuckled for safety reasons.
wutduuwnt 1 year ago
Kyokushin karate wins again .... im proude to be a kyokushin fighter,,, OSU.
ROCKY111EX 1 year ago
Maybe those yellow gardening gloves aren't giving him the strength he was looking for?!?
joshimawashi 1 year ago
I love how the Kyokushin guy just stands there and takes the TKD guys obviously weak-ass punches.
UndeadPyro 1 year ago
this tkd guy is not aggressive at all..he's gay may-be
khairuleven 1 year ago
eehhhmm, anyone notice the stance, they are both kyokushin, taekwondo always hands down, and horse stance sideways, so all of you who think this is kyokushin vs taekwondo your are fools(you canwear gloves if you ahve injury or somthing like that)
ChronosNAME0600 1 year ago
@ChronosNAME0600 hey dude... don't they change stances when they're fighting ppl from other styles... also... taekwondo guy's robe was sewn down the front with black collar linings... while the karate guy's wearing a gi that you have to tie up, so as far as the uniforms go... kyokushin v. taekwondo would be pretty accurate
h2so4jazz 1 year ago
@ChronosNAME0600 The taekwondo Guy has his hands up because this fight is under Kyokushin rules, NOT taekwondo rules. I should know, i practice Kyokushin :p
So please don't say that we're fools, 'Cause you're the only one making yourself look like the fool here. Osu.
AlexSteakSauce 1 year ago
ok for people who doesnt understand taekwondo taekwondo is a sport and its not about fighting and one of vid a taekwondo master pwned a karate master right on the head he was ko for good
onu424 1 year ago
The TKD-Kyokushin fights always end the same way. The taekwondo fighter gets in some good shots early on but loses in the end to the fighter better conditioned for this kind of fight. I have great respect for taekwondo, but you're not going to beat a kyokushin man at his own game.
storyacoustic 1 year ago
ok stop saying tae kwon do is bad seriously never doubt any type of martial arts NEVER martial arts is bout respect and self control as well as keeping focused tae kwon dow is not bad its the instructer that teaches his or her students what im taught is tae kwon dow kemp jui jitsu kickboxing tai chi and krav maga
legacy221 1 year ago
in karate they train you to take hits and absorb. over here begining of each class you get punched and kicked 100 times and after. the style is confusing to opponents, it is hard to tell what kind of kick or punch they will do
sub7viet 1 year ago
Tae Kwon Don't...
StayGold42 1 year ago
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In competitions taekwondo following kyoksuhin rules, taekwondo following karate rules, taekwondo following others rules................ NOT karate, kyoksuhin, others following taekwondo rules in competition...... If they follow taekwondo sparring rules kyoksuhin, karate, other fighters will be knocked down by taekwondo fighter.....................................
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In competitions taekwondo following kyoksuhin rules, taekwondo following karate rules, taekwondo following others rules................ NOT karate, kyoksuhin, others following taekwondo rules in competition...... If they follow taekwondo sparring rules kyoksuhin, karate, other fighters will be knocked down by taekwondo fighter.....................................
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praveen9908600 1 year ago
Using the ball of your foot is the traditional foot shape for breaking/power/damage etc. In TKD you will always use the top of your foot in sparring so that you do not injure your opponent. Is this the same in Karate sparring?
I think the fundemental difference is that this was a Karate match where very powerful techniques are prefered over scoring points. This is a good test for strength but its no wonder the TKD fighter loses because his usual matches are not toughness tests.
magnificationman 1 year ago
TKD is based on kicks, it lacks punches, a no matter how fast you can strike with leg, you can always strike faster with fist, wich means, combine TKD with some other MA
MarcstonX7q 1 year ago
@MarcstonX7q traditional TKD has open and closed hands, kicks, elbows, knees, headbutts, throws, ect. Also tradition and ITF are known to used far more hand techniques then u see in olympic style. Olympic style doesnt use hands at all, but ITF is at least 50% hands, and traditional is more like 70% hands.
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
@ikcjjtt Don't know, but traditional TKD reminds me too much of Hapkido, I see little diffrence,and ITF looks too showstyle, I'm not saying TKD is bad, I'm training Ninjitsu for over 10 years and BJJ for 4, and now I'm looking into TKD
MarcstonX7q 1 year ago
@MarcstonX7q by the sounds of it, you might not like TKD unless your looking to get into it for the sporting side. TKD really is about showboating but its the rules that promote that, extra points for air techniques etc, some competition even award more points for scoring more complex techniques.
magnificationman 1 year ago
NO one art is better than another..its the practitioner Duh!
Check out Paul Doumbia Swedish ITF Tae Kwon Do Champion beat a KK fighter. Check out Stephen Tapilatu...its the fighter. BUT i will say that the KK conditioning programme is one of the best there is, so there IS a lot to be said for the way a practitioner trains. There are plenty of TKD fighters who realise this and cross train. Besides that....I've personally got no time for fighting systems that compete without head punches.
MrEllaitch 1 year ago 9
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jx820 1 year ago
@MrEllaitch wow way to contradict your self
SuperBluepurple 11 months ago
@MrEllaitch There is a reason kyokushin has no head punches, Its not healthy... the brain is the most important part of your body and damaging it, is just stupid, even for the sake of the sport.
dhaVJ 9 months ago
what the hell? this dude isn't sparring like a WTF fighter? he's mainly punching, since when did WTF fighters punch mostly? his kicks are horrible he doesn't bring his leg up then snap out like WTF teaches and isn't in the WTF sparring side stance?
muggythegreat 1 year ago
hey guys, this kyokushin fighter doesn't look affected by every single hit from the taekwondo fighter right?? actually, he is hurt. but every single hit from his opponent is determining him to move forward and forgetting the damages. in the other hand, every time the taekwondo fighter hit. his fighting spirit is decreasing when he saw his opponent is not damaged.
ZEN824 1 year ago
@ZEN824 i see that now. I've always seen Karate fighters to drive forward no matter what, where TKD is always more evasive (not that its a bad thing, different tactic). But not showing the damage... that is definately a tactic I will be thinking about now. Thanks for that
magnificationman 1 year ago
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@magnificationman but when a kyokushin practitioner that usually force to move forward but suddenly move backward without your force, don't get into that one. it's completely a trick but a good tactic... this tactic works best with wheel kick and spin kick to the head... here's a tip for you, you should do more defense than offense. because if you offense more, you are likely forgot to block any devastating attack. it's not just defense but more defense. with this you can focus more power in..
ZEN824 1 year ago
i admit that kyokushin karate is better than taekwondo nowadays because nowadays most school taekwondo train their student by sport like and not how most other martial art do. they doewsn't know how to train their student to fight. they train their student to be an athlete. and not most teaches the deep core of taekwondo.....
ZEN824 1 year ago
Taekwondo is dead
it is now olimpic shit
No3225 1 year ago
@No3225 i will make sure that taekwondo is not dead for the sake of taekwondo!!!!
ZEN824 1 year ago
karate kicks are slower but it is powerful
snhboys 1 year ago
what the fuck no
JoGenJG 1 year ago
is the karateka black belt? he doesnt even fight like that, i think he is fighting like a 5-6kyu, for any karate style.
darkxellos 1 year ago
Karatae has the short range advantage, TKD has the long range advantage. So we should all do what Bruce lee did, learn as much as possible.
ReubenAStern 1 year ago
lol TKD guy needs gloves, and Kyokushin guy doesnt.
ifrit1780 1 year ago 2
elbow,knee,low kick and punch is the most stable unarmed tech.stable in nature so theres space to think in a fight.
khairuleven 1 year ago 2
kyokushin rules - osu
manian96 1 year ago 19
@manian96 nice karate joke heard from a sensai of Ishin-Ryu, Tae Kwon Do = Take My Doe. Sorry, poor taste? lol
demboys18 1 year ago
@manian96 kyokushin doesnt rule at alll!!!!!!! its just that the white is taekwondo and black is karate
onu424 1 year ago
OK
Let me tell you all people that say ''It's not the style that matters it's the practitioner''
That is bullshit!
The practitioner's skills will depend on his training.If he trains like shit he'll not be good.If someone learns more things than another he has a lot more chances to become better.And just compare it to a sport like hokey.The hokey player that is coached by a bad coach will not be as good as the one who has a great coach.
I hope some of you will understand my point.
Caca51m 1 year ago 3
yeah but almost every taekwondo practioner is crappy
Kyofighter93 1 year ago 3
WTF TKD V Kyokushin is a no brainer. KKarate will take TKD apart at close range every time with body punches. The WTF guy wasn't utilising his strengths i.e. his legs. what a mug. Who cares whose style is better than whose? its usually ONLY ever tested within a rules based framework anyway.
Practice the basics. that's what'll save your life. the rest is white noise. But as i'm here ITF TKD is a more rounded style of TKD than WTF and as for Kyokushin, i couldn't compete without using my fists.
MrEllaitch 2 years ago 2
aguante tkd itf papá!!
kbxeneize 2 years ago
lol! wtf taekwondo XD
badz21st 2 years ago
None of them are using TKD of either WTF or ITF. Besides, never judge a martial art by whats allowed in its typical sparring, only the street fight can tell and usually the better conditioned fighter wins.
wiggalama 2 years ago
WTF taekwondo is going to be so sportiv(is a olimpik sport)
here they are doing kyokushin fight not taekwondo fight.... try to thing what will hapen if they do taekwondo fight???
im black belt kickboxing..
tiger10121986 2 years ago
holyshit!! why allways taekwondo lose??
karate--->ko taekwondo
Muay thai---> ko taekwondo
chinese kung fu---> ko taekwondo taekwondo CAN'T AGAINST shit !!
what's wrong with taekwondo?? Mr. korea?? :D
pzb1937 2 years ago 25
The problem is that in a TKD tournament the goal is to mostly land a lot of strike points. So lots of TKD people go into a fight with a thinking they can win by throwing a completely non-strategic flurry when really they're just wasting energy. However, there are a few "combat" TKD places that teach their students to legitimately strategize their fights and pick apart their opponents. This is not the case for WTF TKD though.
jeffdoeskungfu 2 years ago
Well said. I've trained in WTF Taekwondo, and I've moved on to Muay Thai. Sparring in WTF Taekwondo now seems rather tame. Plus we were never taught about dealing with people that come in close.
twitchykun 2 years ago
yes, wtf tkd does teach u to deal with a person that is trying to come close to u. u gotta move back and keep on kicking. and sure tkd is out matched by a lot of martial arts, just because it uses the leg. plus the rules of this match leaves tkd at a disadvantage, because it's the karate rule. now wat would the result be if it was a tkd rule? it's obvious tkd would win. plus it doesn't matter about the art it's about the person who uses it that really determines the outcome of a fight.
tkmemberz 2 years ago
@pzb1937 cause people now a days trian mostly in the sport version thats why oringal ver. is more deadly
tapoutcampion111 1 year ago
@pzb1937
It has nothing to do with the fighting style. You can only judge the fighter.
WolffKiller 1 year ago 5
@pzb1937
taekwado is not practical in a street fight. Kyokushin is.
jakuthu 1 year ago
@pzb1937 agreee
hwangsutran 1 year ago
@pzb1937
I think what ends up happening is that Tae Kwon Do is all about range. If you play by their game then they'll beat the shit out of you. But TKD has a well know weakness against close in fighters...so when they put it against any martial art that can fight in close they end up getting spanked.
TKD needs to learn more close in fighting techniques if they want to be able to swing with the other styles
Greenacres88 1 year ago
@pzb1937 taekwon do lose cause lacks techniques in very close combat
shinalk 1 year ago
@shinalk they dont wear gloves so its easy to tell which one is which
onu424 1 year ago
@pzb1937 it wasent taekwondo who lost taekwon do has white on the uniform i can tell and im from taekwon do
onu424 1 year ago
@pzb1937 i m a karateka but taekwondo doesn't allways loose sometimes in mma or K1 they have some good fighters
gwennblei 1 year ago
@pzb1937 it's WTF TKD, that's why. the only good TKD is the one from korea and some other places around the world (rare)
RacoonBurglar 1 year ago
@pzb1937 actually it depends how the fighter reacts...and a tae kwon do fighter can knockout with one kick like the tornado kick/jumping turning roundhouse kick!!! search it here on youtube TORNADO KICK!!! I am actually a taekwondo fighter but second to the lowest rank (low yellow)
MrRalphaztigable 1 year ago
@pzb1937 actually it depends how the fighter reacts...and a tae kwon do fighter can knockout with one kick like the tornado kick/jumping turning roundhouse kick!!! search it here on youtube TORNADO KICK!!!
MrRalphaztigable 1 year ago
@pzb1937
Tae Kwon Do was a martial arts developed after Japan invaded korean. They couldn't practice their normal arts so they forced karate to the Koreans. The Koreans in defiance put some of their arts into karate. It comes from an older Korean art that uses a lot of kicks. That one is different from Tae Kwon Do. The other one, which is lost to time and only done somewhat in ceremonies, was used in their ancient military.
Tae Kwon Do became impractical because of the mixture in the two.
VagabonNinja 1 year ago
@VagabonNinja TKD didnt become impracticle because of its mix of foreign martial arts. It became impracticle because it was turn into a sport. Back in the 40s, 50s, and early 60s, TKD was defined as the way of HANDs and FEET. This included, headbutts, elbows, knees, throws, open and closed hands, kicks, weapons defence, cross training in Hapkido,self defense, ect. It was done under full contact with no padding. up until the late 70s, every sparring matched ended with someone in the hospital.
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
@VagabonNinja What changed it was the rules they put in place. starting out with no contact sparring, no hits to the face (kicks were ok), punches to the body, and kicks to the body.
It went from vale tudo (groin shots, eye gouges, leg kicks, throws, head butts, knees, elbows, ect)
to kickboxing with no punching. In the 80s it just got worse. Now they didnt even use continous sparring, they used point sparing. no what little cardio they got was gone. By the 90s and 2000s olympic sparring-
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
@ikcjjtt
I don't know about all of that but if it is true then they definitely turned TKD into a useless martial art.
VagabonNinja 1 year ago
@VagabonNinja Not just TKD either, but karate and kung fu as well. I mean just talk to people who did karate in the 1950s, the 60s,70s, and so forth.Modern kung fu is just a dance now. Litterally, people doing dances and acting like animals. Kung fu was of the "one hit one kill" philosophy that inspired karate. now both arts are "no hits or way to many hits and no kills or Knockouts". This is what happens when u turn stuff into a sport. I mean, no hits to the face? really?
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
@VagabonNinja and what really baffels me is that people will actually pit these arts against each other and try to see which one is better. Often times the guy fighting under foreign rules loses, and people have the odassity to claim this and that about the style that won or lost. And go on and on about practicality and street fights and shit. Im like, u fight under a system that doesnt even allow hits to the face. If u cant handle a punch to the face, what makes u think either of these fighters
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
@VagabonNinja -would survive a street attack of usually multiple people doing nothing but punching to the face. Its like i stepped into the Twilight zone. Its the pot calling the kettle black on this practicality issue. U dont learn how to fight on the street in a ring, particularly one with silly rules.
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
@ikcjjtt
I think the real reason is because when the martial arts were developed, people didn't really know how to fight. The fist wasn't really used right when the media wasn't showing action movies or ring fights. So martial arts essentially gave people a more fit body and more agile with some moves to use. These moves worked on people who didn't know how to fight. Nowadays, people know some rudementary skill at least and martial arts doesn't work as well as it did.
VagabonNinja 1 year ago
@VagabonNinja people fight the same way they do today as they did 10,000 years ago. U only have two arms and two legs. Fighting styles dont vary that much. Action movies and watching ring fights dont teach people how to fight. People with no real training have the same skill today as they did 10,000 yrs ago. Martial arts is just an idea. punching somebody in the face works just as well as it did 10,000 yrs ago as.The problem is fewer people are learning how to punch in the face.
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
@ikcjjtt
I disagree with that. I remember seeing some fights. There were no forms and the close fist wasn't used according to boxing techniques. It was either grasping and trying to wrestle or slamming with the side of the fist.
It is the popularity of boxing that people began really using the boxing stance and fist. In nature, this isn't a natural stance for fighting. Untrained fighting is going in like tigers and wrestling or flailing.