Yes on 8 folks: you STILL haven't shown me how stripping away the right to marry protects your free speech or religious freedom. Read the law. It specifically says that no church will be required to marry gays or change it's beliefs. Are you happy now? Are you happy that you lied to a lot of people last month?
Ew. This is disgusting an offensive. They sure did get it right. Thats what I've always know the definition of freedom to be: taking away someone else's rights. YEA YOU! Your religious beliefs that so vehemently preach LOVE, just did an excellent job of projecting hate... for something you won't even try to understand... because your religious text books say it's wrong. I can't wait for this to be repealed. It will be. JUST YOU WAIT!
We do preach love. We also preach order. We live in an "anything goes" society that, without protecting the fundamentals, will cause EVERYTHING to go. I'm sure the time will come when I will no longer be among the majority. But don't blame me for where society ends up. I tried to keep it together.
I love how you deleted my other comment that stated that I had both a mother and a father... a father who spent little time with me, and a mother who liked to drink, and I would rather have two moms or two dads that loved and cared for me than what I had.
The only comments I've deleted were ones using vulgar or obscene language. Occasionally someone tries to rid a comment by flagging it as spam. As I catch those, I clear them of the flag. Your opinion is forcefully against mine, but as far as I know I've kept them posted.
It must have been challenging to stand up for Prop 8 in the SF area. Good for you. It's sad that freedom of speech and religion, both constitutional rights, are being labeled as bigotry.
When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
Oh snap, I almost bought it for a second...something about those smiling faces, that 80's style inspirational music, and the flagrant use of the word 'freedom' on the signage. Never has bigotry looked so expansive.
"... our past cases at the same time uniformly establish that initiative measures adopted by the electorate are subject to the same constitutional limitations that apply to statutes adopted by the Legislature, and our courts have not hesitated to invalidate measures enacted through the initiative process when they run afoul of constitutional guarantees provided by either the federal or California Constitution."
so what did you accomplish? gay couples can still adopt children, or have invitro fertilization...heterosexual couples can still divorce, and a child can be raised by a single parent...and even during the months that gay marriage was allowed, no on stopped "traditional" marriages from occuring...so the only thing that changed is gays cant get married...why didnt you tell the truth...you hate the gay
Before she died, Corretta Scott King stated her opposition to any constitutional amendments regarding gay marriage.
Martin Luther King's trusted adviser, Bayard Rustin, was openly gay and worked hard for the civil rights of all Americans. He was tapped to organize the Montgomery Bus Boycott and the 1963 March on Washington.
Gays worked hard for African Americans to have civil rights. It's time for a little gratitude.
They arent forcing anything on you, you are forcing your belief on the gays! If it would limit the freedom of churches, then why does the Episcopal church say prop 8 is bad? Because they realize that you trying to take away their right and trying to force it on them is wrong, and god loves all of his children, and adam and eve were never married, they were an example of creation. Not marriage. I think that say yes on 8 proves that your a bigot and you cant stand to see people happy who aredifrnt
I imagine having one set of guardians/parents regardless of who they are to be better than a child getting bounced around the foster system. I don't doubt the sincerity and love of gay and lesbian couples towards raising children. That doesn't change what the ideal is that society should maintain. The BEST situation possible is a father and mother- man and woman. Each brings a unique aspect to raising children that any other combo can't make up for.
With a divorce rate of nearly 40% in this country, this so called "ideal" of yours, Bezelith, seems pretty lofty. Ask any child of divorced parents how "ideal" there situation was is. The passing of Proposition 8 is the last whimper of the religious right's institution of bigotry and encroachment on individual liberties. I'd relish the sense of victory now, if I were you, because I'm confident it will prove fleeting.
For those posting, both for and against, you may want to consider the fact that in order for your argument to be taken seriously in real life you may want to eliminate any demeaning reference to the opposing view. Not too professional and not effective in the least if you are truly concerned with sharing different points of view.
you are so dumb, kids just need a loving home kids grow with out a mother or father and they turn out fine, along with two mothers and two fathers. And prop eight isnt about religious freedom, you already have that! You kids wont learn about gay marriage in schools, the state doesnt require it, it is up to the school! And god loves all of his children gay straight! Plus the Episcopal church is against prop 8. I am straight and i say no on 8. You bigot.
It's about religious freedom, because if the government pushes a redefinition of marriage, it will make what is legally marriage at odds with many religious views of marriage. And if you think the gay elite will stand by and allow us to continue to preach against it after it's made legal, think again. They will demand our freedom of speech and freedom of religion to be curtailed, just so they have what they want.
well then we need to have two definitions of marriage. one only done through the church with no legal rights, purely symbolic. and something different provided by the government that entails all the rights.
we're not taking away YOUR rights. you are taking away OURS.
when will you people realize that your "biblcal tradition" of marriage is only half a century old? Abraham BOUGHT and SOLD his wives with impunity. Jacob BOUGHT his two cousins and then BOUGHT some more women to get more pussy. What about solomon's 1000 wives? This 6000 year old tradition stick is just a joke.
The nature of your handle "jonthebaptist666" suggests a blatant disdain for anything religious.. at least of a Christian nature. If you want to look at the Bible, go back to Adam and Eve. They are the first marriage, some 6000+ years ago. And contrary to some beliefs, I believe they were equal partners in that marriage, setting an example for the rest of us.
There you go back to the bible. Haven't you heard of something called separation of church and state? Yes I detest almost all religions, but that doesn't change the fact that you, as an american, should not be voting to impose your religious views onto the rest of society. Two gay men uniting their federal taxes hurt you in no way, so stop worrying about them.
Over 11,000 gay couples have married since June 15, 2008. Please ask yourself these questions! Has your child or grandchild come home from school and said that they learned about gay marriage? Was your child taught about alcoholism and drug addition and decided to become a drug addict or alcoholic? No, they haven't. Ask yourself how this has affected your life! It hasn't! Stop the fear advertising! America is tired of it! Hate and intolerance ARE NOT family values! Vote NO ON 8
Someone marked the above No on 8 comment as spam, which was wrong. I've cleared it again. I'm not afraid of opinions different than my own.
Alcoholism and drug addiction are taught, and they are acknowledged as bad things in school. If they were to be taught as good things (as gay marriage will be), then I would take a stand against it as well. Our children need a solid moral foundation.
how is being gay the equivalent of alocohaulism? GBLT life is about discovering yourself. I don't know how you people twist it into some sort of perverted desire to just piss off your god?
And even if you do believe that there is something morally wrong with homosexuality, your morality doesn't belong in the constitution.
If Gay people would say they are Gay because they WANT to be, I would be happy. But when gay people look for excuses for there lifestyle, like I was born this way or I did not have a choice to be gay I will support YES on 8
Why are you straight? Are you straight becuase you dad told you to be? did you start getting attracted to the other sex because you heard a sermon and relized you needed start to get sexually aroused by the opposite sex? Did you marry your spouse because your pator ordered you too?
or did you just start to feel the effects of hormones come about 12 years old? You know your sexuality was not the same as picking out which cereal to buy, why do you think other people's sexuality is any different?
Same sex attraction is a real issue. Gay people do not choose to have same-sex tendencies, they simply have them. Like me and you have tendencies to spend too much money or be intimate with more than one woman. Point being, we all have urges to do what is wrong that aren't our choice. What is important is what we do with those urges.
Ordained by God is Holy Matrimony - not marriage. Marriage is a Civil Law. Even if you get married in a church you have to get a state license for it. If you don't want get married by a minister you can still get married by Elvis in Vegas.
There are some christians who believe you shouldn't get a marriage license - your marriage should only be recorded in the family bible -- of course then you wouldn't get all those tax benefits either.
It is about protecting that which is ordained of God.
Just because we have urges to do something does not make it right. Pedaphiles have "natural" urges to do what they do. So do drug addicts, adulturers, serial killers, etc.
By no means am I trying to equate gays with those others, I am just saying we all have natural urges to do things that aren't right it God's sight.
Lets not try and validate behavior that isn't right.
Our legal system was never based on the bible, it was based on John Locke's social contract. That means if something does not hurt others, it is not legislated against. Two gay men uniting their taxes and drinking champagne in tuxes do not hurt anyone else, so you don't get to stop them. Whereas, idiot, pedophiles DO HURT others. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE! GAYS =/= MURDERERS< THEIFS< SERIAL KILLERS!!!
And for the record, the reason crime is against the law is because of secular philosophy, not because they happen to be condenmed by some ancient book that supports slavery and requires death for picking up sticks on the wrong day.
The Bible is an old record of God's dealings with His children in Jerusalem. Period.
And my examples were extreme because they prove a point. I believe there are plenty of things that are wrong that we as a society approve. Sexual sin of any type is wrong, whether it is two men or a man and a woman etc. We punish 21 year old men for having consentual premarital relations with 17 year old girls. Why? Because it hurts some one?
I simply vote for what I believe to be right in God's sight.
Again, I have not said anything about the Bible. How God dealt with His children then and how He deals with His children now are not exactly the same. I do not know why exactly, perhaps it is because we have different struggles, challenges, situations, etc.
That being said, have you heard of the New Testament? It too is part of the Bible. You might read it, it's pretty good.
The Bible is not the only way God communicates His will to His children, however.
A standard has to be set, an ideal upheld. Marriage is already in trouble because society doesn't put the value in it it truly deserves. Promoting genderless marriage will only make things worse, not better.
Frankly, I would love to see more effort to save marriages rather than encourage divorce. I would love to encourage abstinence to prevent the difficult challenge of being an unwed mother. And infertile and elderly couples still can play a role in raising children. They do all the time.
Yes on 8 folks: you STILL haven't shown me how stripping away the right to marry protects your free speech or religious freedom. Read the law. It specifically says that no church will be required to marry gays or change it's beliefs. Are you happy now? Are you happy that you lied to a lot of people last month?
chrisehogan 3 years ago
um no it didnt
MrBloc7 2 years ago
Ew. This is disgusting an offensive. They sure did get it right. Thats what I've always know the definition of freedom to be: taking away someone else's rights. YEA YOU! Your religious beliefs that so vehemently preach LOVE, just did an excellent job of projecting hate... for something you won't even try to understand... because your religious text books say it's wrong. I can't wait for this to be repealed. It will be. JUST YOU WAIT!
marcied 3 years ago
We do preach love. We also preach order. We live in an "anything goes" society that, without protecting the fundamentals, will cause EVERYTHING to go. I'm sure the time will come when I will no longer be among the majority. But don't blame me for where society ends up. I tried to keep it together.
Bezelith 3 years ago
I love how you deleted my other comment that stated that I had both a mother and a father... a father who spent little time with me, and a mother who liked to drink, and I would rather have two moms or two dads that loved and cared for me than what I had.
marcied 3 years ago
The only comments I've deleted were ones using vulgar or obscene language. Occasionally someone tries to rid a comment by flagging it as spam. As I catch those, I clear them of the flag. Your opinion is forcefully against mine, but as far as I know I've kept them posted.
Bezelith 3 years ago
It must have been challenging to stand up for Prop 8 in the SF area. Good for you. It's sad that freedom of speech and religion, both constitutional rights, are being labeled as bigotry.
amberdahn 3 years ago
WTF?
testing88534 3 years ago
tjparsell 3 years ago
Oh snap, I almost bought it for a second...something about those smiling faces, that 80's style inspirational music, and the flagrant use of the word 'freedom' on the signage. Never has bigotry looked so expansive.
simonostra 3 years ago
"... our past cases at the same time uniformly establish that initiative measures adopted by the electorate are subject to the same constitutional limitations that apply to statutes adopted by the Legislature, and our courts have not hesitated to invalidate measures enacted through the initiative process when they run afoul of constitutional guarantees provided by either the federal or California Constitution."
- From the CA Supreme Court.
It ain't over yet!!
Djbearrob 3 years ago
so what did you accomplish? gay couples can still adopt children, or have invitro fertilization...heterosexual couples can still divorce, and a child can be raised by a single parent...and even during the months that gay marriage was allowed, no on stopped "traditional" marriages from occuring...so the only thing that changed is gays cant get married...why didnt you tell the truth...you hate the gay
lionsgateblows 3 years ago 2
Before she died, Corretta Scott King stated her opposition to any constitutional amendments regarding gay marriage.
Martin Luther King's trusted adviser, Bayard Rustin, was openly gay and worked hard for the civil rights of all Americans. He was tapped to organize the Montgomery Bus Boycott and the 1963 March on Washington.
Gays worked hard for African Americans to have civil rights. It's time for a little gratitude.
rextrek 3 years ago
Viva Prop 8!!
act464 3 years ago
using my language in conjunction with that statement offends me.
electrotrash 3 years ago
They arent forcing anything on you, you are forcing your belief on the gays! If it would limit the freedom of churches, then why does the Episcopal church say prop 8 is bad? Because they realize that you trying to take away their right and trying to force it on them is wrong, and god loves all of his children, and adam and eve were never married, they were an example of creation. Not marriage. I think that say yes on 8 proves that your a bigot and you cant stand to see people happy who aredifrnt
Ichliebegermany 3 years ago
Children deserve being loved by parents regardless of gender.
vioIentneko 3 years ago 2
I imagine having one set of guardians/parents regardless of who they are to be better than a child getting bounced around the foster system. I don't doubt the sincerity and love of gay and lesbian couples towards raising children. That doesn't change what the ideal is that society should maintain. The BEST situation possible is a father and mother- man and woman. Each brings a unique aspect to raising children that any other combo can't make up for.
Bezelith 3 years ago
you are aware that our new president was raised mostly by a single parent and his grandparents
epic fail
you lose
you just hate the gay
lionsgateblows 3 years ago
With a divorce rate of nearly 40% in this country, this so called "ideal" of yours, Bezelith, seems pretty lofty. Ask any child of divorced parents how "ideal" there situation was is. The passing of Proposition 8 is the last whimper of the religious right's institution of bigotry and encroachment on individual liberties. I'd relish the sense of victory now, if I were you, because I'm confident it will prove fleeting.
Dedalus0 3 years ago 2
For those posting, both for and against, you may want to consider the fact that in order for your argument to be taken seriously in real life you may want to eliminate any demeaning reference to the opposing view. Not too professional and not effective in the least if you are truly concerned with sharing different points of view.
Food for thought.
drohrer77 3 years ago 3
you are so dumb, kids just need a loving home kids grow with out a mother or father and they turn out fine, along with two mothers and two fathers. And prop eight isnt about religious freedom, you already have that! You kids wont learn about gay marriage in schools, the state doesnt require it, it is up to the school! And god loves all of his children gay straight! Plus the Episcopal church is against prop 8. I am straight and i say no on 8. You bigot.
Ichliebegermany 3 years ago
It's about religious freedom, because if the government pushes a redefinition of marriage, it will make what is legally marriage at odds with many religious views of marriage. And if you think the gay elite will stand by and allow us to continue to preach against it after it's made legal, think again. They will demand our freedom of speech and freedom of religion to be curtailed, just so they have what they want.
Bezelith 3 years ago
well then we need to have two definitions of marriage. one only done through the church with no legal rights, purely symbolic. and something different provided by the government that entails all the rights.
we're not taking away YOUR rights. you are taking away OURS.
electrotrash 3 years ago 4
when will you people realize that your "biblcal tradition" of marriage is only half a century old? Abraham BOUGHT and SOLD his wives with impunity. Jacob BOUGHT his two cousins and then BOUGHT some more women to get more pussy. What about solomon's 1000 wives? This 6000 year old tradition stick is just a joke.
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
The nature of your handle "jonthebaptist666" suggests a blatant disdain for anything religious.. at least of a Christian nature. If you want to look at the Bible, go back to Adam and Eve. They are the first marriage, some 6000+ years ago. And contrary to some beliefs, I believe they were equal partners in that marriage, setting an example for the rest of us.
Bezelith 3 years ago
There you go back to the bible. Haven't you heard of something called separation of church and state? Yes I detest almost all religions, but that doesn't change the fact that you, as an american, should not be voting to impose your religious views onto the rest of society. Two gay men uniting their federal taxes hurt you in no way, so stop worrying about them.
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
Great video...thanks for doing your part to get the word out.
Huntington Beach and Orange County hears you load and clear...we stand and support you!
YES ON 8
YouShouldVoteYesOn8 3 years ago
Over 11,000 gay couples have married since June 15, 2008. Please ask yourself these questions! Has your child or grandchild come home from school and said that they learned about gay marriage? Was your child taught about alcoholism and drug addition and decided to become a drug addict or alcoholic? No, they haven't. Ask yourself how this has affected your life! It hasn't! Stop the fear advertising! America is tired of it! Hate and intolerance ARE NOT family values! Vote NO ON 8
peaceispatriotic7 3 years ago
Someone marked the above No on 8 comment as spam, which was wrong. I've cleared it again. I'm not afraid of opinions different than my own.
Alcoholism and drug addiction are taught, and they are acknowledged as bad things in school. If they were to be taught as good things (as gay marriage will be), then I would take a stand against it as well. Our children need a solid moral foundation.
Yes on 8!
Bezelith 3 years ago
how is being gay the equivalent of alocohaulism? GBLT life is about discovering yourself. I don't know how you people twist it into some sort of perverted desire to just piss off your god?
And even if you do believe that there is something morally wrong with homosexuality, your morality doesn't belong in the constitution.
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
Yes because Alcoholism and drug addiction is just like homosexuality isn't it?
tfeems 3 years ago
Probably in the most conservative city of the Bay Area
Abashi76 3 years ago 2
yes on 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lastwindow 3 years ago
So when did you decided you wanted to be straight?
CaseyGoodDog 3 years ago
If Gay people would say they are Gay because they WANT to be, I would be happy. But when gay people look for excuses for there lifestyle, like I was born this way or I did not have a choice to be gay I will support YES on 8
Greg78X 3 years ago
Why are you straight? Are you straight becuase you dad told you to be? did you start getting attracted to the other sex because you heard a sermon and relized you needed start to get sexually aroused by the opposite sex? Did you marry your spouse because your pator ordered you too?
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
or did you just start to feel the effects of hormones come about 12 years old? You know your sexuality was not the same as picking out which cereal to buy, why do you think other people's sexuality is any different?
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
Same sex attraction is a real issue. Gay people do not choose to have same-sex tendencies, they simply have them. Like me and you have tendencies to spend too much money or be intimate with more than one woman. Point being, we all have urges to do what is wrong that aren't our choice. What is important is what we do with those urges.
drohrer77 3 years ago 3
Ordained by God is Holy Matrimony - not marriage. Marriage is a Civil Law. Even if you get married in a church you have to get a state license for it. If you don't want get married by a minister you can still get married by Elvis in Vegas.
There are some christians who believe you shouldn't get a marriage license - your marriage should only be recorded in the family bible -- of course then you wouldn't get all those tax benefits either.
CaseyGoodDog 3 years ago
Proposition 8 is not about hate!
It is about protecting that which is ordained of God.
Just because we have urges to do something does not make it right. Pedaphiles have "natural" urges to do what they do. So do drug addicts, adulturers, serial killers, etc.
By no means am I trying to equate gays with those others, I am just saying we all have natural urges to do things that aren't right it God's sight.
Lets not try and validate behavior that isn't right.
drohrer77 3 years ago 2
Our legal system was never based on the bible, it was based on John Locke's social contract. That means if something does not hurt others, it is not legislated against. Two gay men uniting their taxes and drinking champagne in tuxes do not hurt anyone else, so you don't get to stop them. Whereas, idiot, pedophiles DO HURT others. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE! GAYS =/= MURDERERS< THEIFS< SERIAL KILLERS!!!
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
And for the record, the reason crime is against the law is because of secular philosophy, not because they happen to be condenmed by some ancient book that supports slavery and requires death for picking up sticks on the wrong day.
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
The Bible is an old record of God's dealings with His children in Jerusalem. Period.
And my examples were extreme because they prove a point. I believe there are plenty of things that are wrong that we as a society approve. Sexual sin of any type is wrong, whether it is two men or a man and a woman etc. We punish 21 year old men for having consentual premarital relations with 17 year old girls. Why? Because it hurts some one?
I simply vote for what I believe to be right in God's sight.
drohrer77 3 years ago
then lets vote slavery in. God says its al right as long as the slave gets a chance every 7 years to say whether he wants to stick around or not.
You bible is not a valid document to base our constitution upon.
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
Again, I have not said anything about the Bible. How God dealt with His children then and how He deals with His children now are not exactly the same. I do not know why exactly, perhaps it is because we have different struggles, challenges, situations, etc.
That being said, have you heard of the New Testament? It too is part of the Bible. You might read it, it's pretty good.
The Bible is not the only way God communicates His will to His children, however.
drohrer77 3 years ago
I support equal treatment and protection under the law. I will be voting NO on proposition 8.
SpeedyBruin 3 years ago
Great video, keep up the good work :)
Smartguy5680 3 years ago 3
If you truly believe in the argument about children deserving a mother AND a father, then next election I expect to see a like video regarding:
Ban Divorce
Ban Marriage for infertile and elderly couples
Crimninalize unwed mothers
Which of your rights do you want other people to vote on next time?
CaseyGoodDog 3 years ago
A standard has to be set, an ideal upheld. Marriage is already in trouble because society doesn't put the value in it it truly deserves. Promoting genderless marriage will only make things worse, not better.
Frankly, I would love to see more effort to save marriages rather than encourage divorce. I would love to encourage abstinence to prevent the difficult challenge of being an unwed mother. And infertile and elderly couples still can play a role in raising children. They do all the time.
Bezelith 3 years ago
did you guys post all those yes on 8 signs while no one was looking? very sneaky!
vote no!
mrlovespread2006 3 years ago
LOL, sorry, they're all legit. That's the point. :) And there's hundreds more.
Bezelith 3 years ago