Ladies Sing to Protest Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker

[largraf]

Ha ha, you guys are defeated. Sore losers. You're gonna have to take a pay cut like the rest of us. Don't like it. We'll, just thank Obama for driving the states broke. Obama's already laughing at you, his 'sheeple.'

[yakyakyak69]

Google: Rasmussen poll shows Walker winning standoff with unions, posted at 11:36 am on February 21, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 This is Wisconsin. As I said before, since you seem to want to post this all over, our polls have shown Wisconsites lean much more heavily in favor of our rights.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

Lady, you don't even know the difference between rights & privaledges. Give it a rest already. Go take another pill or something.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 I beg to differ.

How is negotiating your work conditions a privilege?

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 You beg a LOT, don't you?

You have the right to LIFE (even before birth), LIBERTY to keep what you earn and live how you please, and the freedom to PERSUE HAPPINESS (not guranteed attainment or the freedom to steal it from others.)

Work is NOT a right! You MUST qualify and then do your job. That means that work is a priviledge and the privilege of neotiating compensation goes along with your INDIVIDUAL qualifications, work ethic and desire to do the job & KEEP doing it.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 No one's begging, and again as I've said many times I've never been in a union. I'm helping out my neighbors and my community, because I want a better city, state, and country.

I said that negotiating your work conditions is a right. If I pursue happiness at work I will negotiate to get what I need to be happy upon hiring and for any extensions. If I can't get what I need I may leave if I can afford to. We don't want our good teachers going to states where they have their rights.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

Negotiating your work conditions is NOT a right. Accepting or rejecting the job is a right because slavery is against the law and you can "persue happiness" somewhere else if you don't like the job.

Would it be OK to negotiate smoking in a gun powder factory if that made enough of you collectivist workers happy? HELL NO, because stupidity is a CHOICE, not a right.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Negotiating is a right, it's called freedom of speech.

You would have the right to negotiate smoking in a gun powder factory. It doesn't mean you would get what you want.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 You HAD your freedom of speech when you voted.

YOU LOST, now you want EVERYONE ELSE'S Freedom of Speech.

And NO, you're not going to get what you want because YOUR STATE IS BANKRUPT!

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 I don't think that's what we call freedom of speech. When you get hired you have the freedom to speak your mind before accepting the position, and the business has the freedom to speak their mind. If you two don't agree after some time negotiating, someone walks away.

As I stated many times now, the state workers of Wisconsin have agreed to take the financial concessions the state needs to fix the budget. We won't go bankrupt protecting our rights, and that's a solid fact.

[yakyakyak69]

BTW, Wisconsin DID elect new representatives. Too bad the losers are hiding in some shady motel someplace instead of doing their jobs and taking the vote.

Then again, the illegal strikers are getting fraudlent "doctor's notes" because striking is a felony for public sector employees.

With progressive-socialist (marxists) like you, the ends justify the means... any means including lying, stealing, cheating whatever...

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Please stop spreading lies on this page. The legislators are doing their job by taking the correct time to deliberate on the omnibus bill which is hundreds of pages long and strips citizens of their rights. The protesters are not striking illegally as a local judge has already proclaimed.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

Lie: "Democrats are doing their job by taking the correct time to deliberate on the omnibus bill which is hundreds of pages long and strips citizens of their rights."

Truth: This should be debated on the floor!

Lie: "The protesters are not striking illegally."

Truth: Then why did they get "sick slips" from fake doctors?

RATS ON THE RUN..... RATS ON THE RUN.....

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 You're right it should be debated on the floor. However, the Republicans ended debate before they had even listened to the public who had signed up to testify. The bill was slipped through in a few days time.

If they got slips from their Drs it was to not lose pay as they were told by their union or district they would be docked pay without a slip.

I shouldn't have told you to stop spreading lies. Though I don't like it, I don't know that you know they are lies. So I'm sorry.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 The public debated when they elected their representatives. NOW their Democrat representative REFUSE to debate and vote on the floor and instead CHOOSE to hide in some shady motel out of state.

The bill was passed like the federal takeover of healthcare? Now THAT's tit-for-tat.

Their pay would be docked by not showing up for work with or without a note just like the private sector, right?

Correct, I don't tell lies... Progressives do enough of that for everyone.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 No one, or very few voted for union busting, and that has been shown in polls and will prove out in time. The Republicans refused and continue to refuse to debate as they have said now multiple times. The only thing that can be done is to stand up for the rights of Wisconsin workers, and those across US.

We all know the healthcare debate lasted at least a year, it was all over the TV.

The private sector generally doesn't require a note. I've never needed a note to call in sick.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 The republicans are NOT voting for "union busting".

Collective bargaining would STILL be allowed for wages.

Collective bargaining would NOT be allowed for benefits only!.

Personally, I think tenure is insain as it only protects bad teachers.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters agree more with the Republican governor 38% agree more with the unionized public employees, while 14% are undecided.

Union leeches are dying

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Correct, but you forgot other things like the ability to collectively bargain work conditions, number of hours, and other rights that we in Wisconsin fought for.

This is Wisconsin, not the entire nation. Our polls have been leaning much further the other way.

Remember to thank Wisconsin when it comes Friday, because we gave you and everyone else in the US the weekend, and if this bill passes there's nothing stopping Walker from making state workers work 7 days a week.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 I can do NONE of those things. I have to work when I can for as long as it takes to get the job done.

7 day work week? Are you slaves or just stupid? Hello... competition

There are FEDERAL laws against 7 day work weeks and ANY work over 40 hours gets extra pay by federal law and the state will hire MORE people rather than pay time & 1/2 for overtime. Lady, stop drinking the cool aid! You've had enough already... (sheesh)

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 You can set your own hours as we established before, but most people can't.

They can force overtime, that's not fun if you have a family to take care of or another job so you can pay the bills. Overtime is far cheaper than hiring new employees.

Look up the phrase ad hominem sometime.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 There you go again! What's with liberals thinking they know EVERYTHING so they what's best for others.

I'm a sales consultant & service rep. MUST service my clients WHERE they are and WHEN they call me 24/7/365. I do have the choice to tell the to screw themselves, but I will lose that client forever and my valuable reputation for doing what I say I will do like SHOW UP FOR WORK.

I'm straight commission! No salary, NO overtime, NO benefits, No collective extortion.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 You have the right and the option, if you live in Wisconsin to join a union. No one is forcing you to do the job you do or to be self-employed. What we're talking about here is that right being taken away for a large portion of the citizens of Wisconsin.

Governments didn't always recognize the right to unionize. People fought hard, gave their sweat, blood, and some of their lives to get this right for themselves and their children. What happens if you must take a gov. job?

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 said: "You have the right and the option, if you live in Wisconsin to join a union."

WOW! just WOW!

Lady, Wisconsin is a FORCED-UNIONISM state and NOT a Right-to-Work State!

Do you understand the difference? Are you lying, uninformed, stupid or just think everyone ELSE is stupid?

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 I understand the difference perfectly. Please, try to check your facts before you state them as such. You are not forced to join a union in Wisconsin, and not all places of employment have a union, and some have union and non-union workers. They only thing you may be forced to do is pay the union dues, but that's excusable since the worker benefits from the union's negotiating.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm wasting my time arguing with an idiot. Now i't time for dinner.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 These aren't "liberals" as you say. They are regular ever day working people. They are your school teachers, firefighters, street workers, snow plow drivers, etc. They make our lives tick.

[biggerturtle]

@PubliusNumber9 LAZY IGNORANT SCUM FUCK YOU ALL AND YOUR MOOCHER ATTITUDES WE DON?T NEED YOU

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

If you don't like the job... GET ANOTHER ONE! (entitlement whiner)

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Yes, but most people try negotiating first.

[yakyakyak69]

Since 2002:

For every $1-an-hour pay increase, public employees have gotten $1.17 in new benefits. Private workers have gotten just 58 cents in benefits for every $1 raise. The difference: Companies have ended most traditional pension plans and increased workers' share of health care costs. Government paid an average of $8,800 annually toward employee medical insurance. Private companies paid $4,100.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 At the same time union membership in the private sector has decreased and union membership in the public sector has increased. Looks to me like unions work for the worker.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 Yes, unions work for themselves and the hell with everyone else.

Why do they even call it public service? It should be called union mob enrichment.

[yakyakyak69]

Hitler, Mussolini & Lenin were labor leaders.

The "first thing" labor leaders do is outlaw competition.

Socialists get away with smearing their historical stink onto their opposition only because their teachers' labor unions lie to everyone's children for at least 12 years to maintain a state of historical illiteracy.

All manifestations of collectivism-socialism are toxic to humanity. Hitler exterminatd 6 million civilians in 10 years. Stalin starved 7 million in a single winter.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 One of the first things Hitler did was to abolish all of the unions in Germany. Now I won't try to insinuate that anyone today is anything like Hitler or any of the people you mention above, because they're not. Please try to keep this conversation on point. Thank you.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist German Worker's Party (NAZI). He was a Socialist and a Nationalist, but as a Nationalist he hated competiton from other collectivists like unions and Stalin.

Hitler used many of the methods of Stalin and Mussolini to build a totalitarian state in Germany. Yes, I know... facts suck and all but so does collectivism.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 I shouldn't need to respond, but it's a fact that when Hitler gained power he abolished all of the unions in May 1933.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

Yes Hitler DID outlaw unions in 1933. HOWEVER...

As a labor leader, Hitler didn't "bust" HIS labor union. His labor union becomes THE labor union.

The "first thing" labor leaders like Hitler, Mussolini & Lenin do once they take control of their host government is outlaw the competition, and not only regarding labor.

Again, your're reading more half-truth talking points from the unions.

(Half-truths are the blackest of lies because they can be partially defended.)

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 It's a fact I learned from a great teacher in high school, not from any union. Again, I've never been in a union. I don't know why we're still talking about Hitler. Who's in power and doing what?

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

The conservitives are in power trying to save the State from financial collapse.

The Democrats are hiding and not doing their job which is to cast votes.

The Unions are trying to bully & extort as much as they can for themselves.

The Fed is printing as fast as it can, but Congress has vowed not to give it to the States who are not strong enough to stand up to union extortion.

I'm arguing with a marxist.

That is what we are doing...

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Now I'm a Marxist? Anyway, if the Republicans cared as much about the state budget as I do they would have taken the money they asked the unions for. It's as simple as that. The money issue is settled, as it would have in normal negotiations. Everyone has come out to the Capitol with their family, friends and neighbors to stand up for the rights of all workers. Firefighters marching through the streets, who aren't even attacked by this bill, to stand with their fellow Wisconsonites.

[yakyakyak69]

Today, in 1848, Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels published the Communist Manifesto. In other news, unions goons today in Wisconsin continue to tilt against windmills. More than 150 years later, the left is just as unrealistic. Yeah, that’s fitting.

This is what socialism looks like.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Wow! Unfortunately, you're not as versed on your Wisconsin and union history as you are on socialism. If it weren't for unions standing up for all workers' rights we would still have 7-day work weeks and be paid in pennies. We already know what it's like to work without unions, and many people gave their sweat, blood and lives for the right to unionize. Maybe you would like to join a union to negotiate better benefits for yourself and your coworkers. You do have that right for now.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 I've never worked for another person. I have never had a company paid benefits. I have always worked for myself, depended on myself and I have never taken on dime of taxpayer money... ever!

Though charity is wonderful because it is voluntary, taxpayer redistribution is horrorible because it is force.

Force is theft & slavery. I am no man's slave and I will never FORCE another man to work for me. I am not a slave owner or trader. I refuse to use collective extortion!

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 I'm sure you have worked for other people. I'm self-employed, too, and have never been in a union. I know that even though I may be able to set my own hours and pay, the hours and pay are based off wages. Unions set wages for everyone else. By keeping their wages up, they keep everyone's wages from falling off a cliff.

Taxes aren't forced. We aren't forced to live here, but if we want to live here and benefit from the smart, motivated workforce we have to pay the taxes.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 So, when I say that I have ALWAYS worked for myself, you call me a liar! (typical liberal attack dog)

Unions do NOT set wages for everyone else because if REAL value is to be set, it will be set via competiton for workers and NOT via mob extortion. What's "falling off a cliff" is employment and the value of the US $Dollar which is being debased to pay for gov't bail-outs for mostly overpaid union jobs.

Federal taxes ARE forced, state taxes are more "vote with your feet".

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 I was not calling you a liar. Everyone works for someone. Even if you are self-employed you work for and are paid by someone. You're calling me a liberal?! Unions have been staunchly supported by conservatives for many decades. Unions are not a liberal or conservative issue, they're a moral issue.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 You sure "fly fast and loose" with facts...

Unionism is Collectivism is Marxism and THAT has NEVER been supported by REAL Constitutional Conservatives.... EVER! (today we call real conservatives "libertarians".

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 "You of organized labor and those who have gone before you in the union movement have helped make a unique contribution to the general welfare of the Republic–the development of the American philosophy of labor. This philosophy, if adopted globally, could bring about a world, prosperous, at peace, sharing the fruits of the earth with justice to all men." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

Unionism does NOT funcition properly in the public sector!

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Where is there any evidence of this?

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 Hello... live under a rock?

THE STATES ARE BANKRUPT

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 That is not the fault of our state workers who don't control the budget. It is the fault of our legislators in government.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 NO, state bankruptcy is directly the fault of those who "collectively bargain" (extortion) for themselves the contents of the state treasury AND the legislators in gov't who do NOT have the courage to say NO to the mob and break up the marxist union scum.

Walker is the first gov you've had in a VERY long time with the balls to do the right thing for WHOLE the State of MN.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Legislators are the ones with the power. That's why we must have the right to unionize, to stand up to the power of government. So that our individual voices can be heard. This may be a new flavor of tea, but it's still tea.

By the way, I live in and we're talking about Wisconsin, not MN.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 Collective is the OPPOSITE of individual.

It's REALLY easy for politicians to buy votes with OTHER people's money that was taken at threat of fine or imprisonment. This form of corruption is called "pandering".

Collectivism is ALWAYS thuggery even if it's in Moscow, NY or MN. How can the individual taxpayer stand up to the power of a gov't who is willing to overpay some to buy power from their collectivist block?

This is NOT tea, but it is VERY bitter...

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Firstly, no one is threatening anyone with fine or imprisonment. Second, it's really easy for politicians to get all the money they need from a few corporations. Third, union membership isn't much different from citizenship. Union members vote just like citizens. We don't all join together and become an evil monster. At least that's what our founders thought.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

Firstly, don't pay state extortion which is then redistrited to six-fixure gov't service workers and you WILL spend time in prison and you will have your property taken and sold so others can have free stuff.

Second, corporations LEAVE and take their jobs with them when they are over taxed and can't compete.

Third, Union Membership is a license to steal, then again so is welfare, socialist insecurity etc., so I have to concede this point...

A mob acts like a mob.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 (1) Gov. workers don't get paid well. Everyone knows that, which is why few people who can get paid well in the private sector get gov. jobs. That's why we have a teacher and nurse shortage, the very people that are being attacked by the budget repair bill.

(2) This is true, and why budgets and taxes are debated by the people elected to represent them.

(3) Who are the unions stealing from? Everything is negotiated. If the legislators give them too much, elect new ones.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

1) Gov't workers are VERY well paid when benefits are included. Gov't teachers get tenure, full pay & benefits at retirement, adjusted on some inflation index ALL on the taxpayers . We have a teacher shortage because tenure caused a glut so would-be teachers took other courses. Nurses face HIGH litigation insurance because liberals bow to the trial lawyers instead of reforming tort law.

2) Elected Democrats won't let a vote take place. (not democracy).

3) DONE!

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 (1) Yes, benefits may be great, but that barely outweighs the pay and everyone knows it. If anything, anyone complaining about the benefits is probably complaining because they have less without the voice of a union. One could cite many reasons for a shortage in teachers or nurses, but pay them like lawyers and see what happens.

(2) The Dems are standing up for human rights. Who says you and your coworkers can't negotiate together?

(3) Again, unions conceded on fiscal provisions.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

1) Another half truth (benefits are great) followed by a full lie (but that barely outweighs the pay) Shame on you!

2) The greedy Dems are bankrupting the State and what will happen to "human rights" where all services are ended?

3) Unions do NOT concede because everyone knows they will "collectively bargain" back everything PLUS MORE once the pressure is off. NOT THIS TIME!

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 (1) Where are your facts? We all know gov. jobs suck.

(2) This is absolutely not true. The unions have said they will sacrifice the money the state needs. They won't however sacrifice their rights.

(3) Then elect new legislators. This is very simple.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

A full-time government worker receives benefits worth an average of $27,830 per year. A private worker's benefits are worth $16,598.

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Where are these statistics from? Are they for Wisconsin workers? Do you think someone with a bachelors degree (a teacher) should be making $27,830 per year when college alone costs anywhere around $10,000 per year? The average private workers benefits includes those of your everyday McDonalds chef.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 MN axpayers currently contribute about 99% to public employee pensions, according to a report from Minnesota Public Radio. Walker merely wants them to pay 5.8%, which is still BELOW the national average.

And how about those pricey health care premiums? MN Public employees currently pay about 6%, while Walker’s proposal would increase it to 12%. But even after the increase, it’s still about HALF the national average, according to state government figures.

REAL facts!

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 This is not, nor has it ever been, about the money.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 really?!?!?!?! (ahem... B.S.!)

[PubliusNumber9]

@yakyakyak69 Um, yes. The unions have agreed to concede all of the fiscal provisions in the bill if collective bargaining is retained. Walker said no. It's absolutely clear it's not about the money.

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations." - FDRt, Aug. 16, 1937

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 If you REALLY work for yourself, you have profits or losses, not income and not wages!

One of us is lying.... (it's not me)

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

btw: Google: "State orders Detroit to close half its schools"

"(AP) DETROIT - State education officials have ordered the emergency financial manager for Detroit Public Schools to immediately implement a plan that balances the district's books by closing half its schools.

The Detroit News says the financial restructuring plan will increase high school class sizes to 60 students and consolidate operations."

Coming to a bankupt union NON-right to work State near you...

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9

Watch: "The Philosophy of Liberty" here on YouTube and learn that you do NOT have to be a serf!

[yakyakyak69]

@PubliusNumber9 Then again, I was wrong in one previous statement:

I AM a serf to redistribution for socialist "justice". It's justice to take what you have not earned from those who have earned it because you have the collective might? Justice? Really?

Redistribution makes SLAVES of the taxed, DEPENDANTS of the recipients and TYRANTS of the powerful.

Extortion is ALWAYS evil even when the collective socialist do it. Don't like the pay & benefits? FIND ANOTHER JOB!