Locke/Walt reunion - The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham

[trashinoobz]

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[megaheyy12]

what the hell language is that at the bottom?

[leonheartgaming]

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[TheOasisMusic]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL­LLLLLLTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!

[kappelmeister123]

the end of this scene was great.. ben looks great in that suit

[tomtom108]

The writing could have been so much better here, the Jack/John scene is a lot better

[mikeaprice09]

@tomtom108 is it just me or did walt become NOTHING.. the writers although they did amazing writing , they made it so that walt was spencial and then season 6 comes and goes and he isn't special at all

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 The New Man In Charge on the DVD invovles Walt.

[mikeaprice09]

@MultiFeral yea but it doesn't explain anything.. in fact i wrote this comment once i had seen the new man in charge.. it doesn't say ANYTHING about how Walt is special.

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 It explains why though, he's meant to take over after Hurley. Same way the Numbers kept following Hurley around all the time it was meant to be him eventually. Same with Walt he tied to the island.

[mikeaprice09]

@MultiFeral it doesnt explain anything.. we could say kate was special, or jack or ANY one who was on the island.. and walt who was 'special' all along goes back to it.. just like everyone did in season 5 but they arent special.

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 Hurley and Walt are the ones special because their meant to protect the island for life.

[mikeaprice09]

@MultiFeral hurley was never referred to as special EVER.. only Walt was in the entire 6 season (and locke once) and yet hurley is new leader of the island.. walt was specifically chosen to be special and yet he is going back to the island to protect it.. so what? jack and hurley protected it and they werent special..

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 Locke made his own specialnes because he told Richard to shadow him as a newborn in 1954. Ben wanted to be special but he just fel for MIB's cons most of his life. Jack was specially chosen by jacob like the other 6 and he was the one built up to kill Smokey. He wasn't directly labelled as special but that doesn't mean he wasn't. Same with Hurley, it's not a coiencidence that Jacob and the dead people onlty came to Hurley.

[mikeaprice09]

@MultiFeral yea but this conversation is about walt.. i am a HUGE fan of lost and have all seasons on dvd and watched them probably 10 times each (i no i am obssesed) but in season 1 walt was referred to as special and he was no more special than anyone! And the new man in charge was a terrible attempt to make people think he was special when really it was just a quick few minutes made up to answer some questions which die hard lost fans wanted answered!

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 Thats what I'm trying to say Walt's s[ecialness was becaue he's meanty to protect the island one day, same way jacob came only to Hurley except when it came time to pass on the job. The New man In Charge was to show this and not just to leave him drifting in civilization forever. I get that ur a fan haven't had this long a Youtube convo in a while ,now I got two at once!

[mikeaprice09]

@MultiFeral yea i no exactly what the makers of lost intended the new man inn charge to be but it was a terrible attempt to explain how he was special! I dont care at all that this happened i am just saying they did poor on that and had no idea from season 1 why he was special! yea lol i have not had a long convo in a while too :)

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 Well part of what I think happened in Season 1 is they din't know if the show was going to last Season 2 on most of Walt questions was him just randiomly popping up and I have a theroy it was MIB wanna hear?

[mikeaprice09]

@MultiFeral yea they were only planning on doing a first season and infact there are several hints at them all being dead and in an interview they said they were planning on the island not being real and everyone died but then because people wanted more they continued and decided against that idea! Yea ok what is the theory?

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 Walt randomly appearing on the island was MIB. I don't think they actually said he was limited to dead people. Walt first came to Shannon and his appearence lead to the death of Shannon. This ruined the happiest part of Sayid's life, and was why he didn't belive "Henry" about burying his wife cause he didn't have details. He started to hate Ben, then focussed again on geeting off the island to Nadia. Nadia dies and he become's Ben's killer hating Ben ever more. He shoots continued

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 kid Ben in 1977. And is then shot by Roger, this causes him to need to go into the black water where he was brought back and infected. It was MIB's scam to get a killer and strongest fighter on his side all along, by promising him he can ave Shannon back. Same why he came to Claire as Christian. Only 2 people every character liked was her and Hurley. continued

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 He had Hurley show Ben and locke the cabin where MIB pretended to be jacob that let just Locke hear him, planting Ben's jealousy of Locke and hated of Jacob when he turned the wheel. Ben then killed Locke and Jacob for MIB. MIB took Claire beuase it unbalanced the candidates, they would have fought Smokey more easily and sooner if their friend and doting the doting mother wasn't so attached to him. The Sickness continued...

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 happens when you have an open wound and Smokey can get in you and darken your soul first putting you in a dream -like trance so you don't think claerly, (Claire in cabin) Her head wound in Seson 4 from the house explosion Sawyer pulled carried her from and Sayid's 1977 gun shot wound. It makes murder easier and you want to do it to people around you. That's why Danielle killed those guys because of teir new behaviour. I'm guesing the all had open small nicks from the ship sinking.

[mikeaprice09]

@MultiFeral Thats one long theory hahaha,, yes possibly its all true but they didn't say it was and they didn't say it wasnt so to be honest i think its just up to the viewer to decide how they think it happened! Thats a good idea though so possibly it was what they meant ..

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 I got the Rousseau, dream trance and open wound bits from the Offical Lost Encyclpedia book. It was written by a 2 peope with background in TV, and has a few screw ups like the year of the Purge and when Danielle, came but thy said everything in it was approved by Damon, Carlton and Gregg Nations. Dmon and Carlton have a forword in it so I take all the new little tidbits to be true. It has lots more like Quaitine, Perrie Chang, who killed the Ajaira etc.

[mikeaprice09]

@MultiFeral oh right cool.. whats your fave seasons of lost? and fave episodes! i have a fave season and a fave episode but lost is too good to be too specific.

[MultiFeral]

@mikeaprice09 Ok this is spooky but no lie, last 2 times I go to reply to u, it's been 8 minutes since you talked!

[TheCheweeRevolutions]

one the episode where michael first goes to meet walt before they were on the island walts step dad says that bad things happen when walts around. did they ever really explain that?

[DennisEDM1]

@TheCheweeRevolutions i hear they will in the lost complete collection i think

theyll explain things that werent explain, but i hate how walt wasnt in lost anymnore

[TheCheweeRevolutions]

walt looks about 16 but if he was 10 at the end of season 2 he must be like 13?

[SecretPrincess96]

can some one plzz msg me what season this is in, i havent seen it plxxzzz!

[ole941]

@SecretPrincess96 season 5

[rosydonut]

Lots of people from the wire are in lost.

[iRHAPEzombiies]

I wonder if Walt came back to the island what he'd do to MIB? Locke was a role model for Walt I think he'd do something to get payback if her could.

[tvrulesnation]

@alskdorivndhfkhyeer

I know many others aren't questioning into this, i posted it on Lostpedia nonetheless to no replies in the theory section, chances are they won't answer how Walt is ''special'' & we will have to assume he is like Desmond in some way + guess with the knowledge we have of the island etc.

I'll admit they boloxed up Walts storyline & answers but spose everything can't go right in a show like LOST

[iRHAPEzombiies]

@tvrulesnation

I've gotten alot of spoilers that they wont explain Walts specialness.

[Meeriio]

Love the actor who plays Abbadon

[Pikabolch3]

I didn't like this episode. This dialogue is so uninspired. Walt seems so dry, cold and unemotional. He is not even interested in what has happened.

[musiclover954]

i dont get it im still on season 2 after walt got kidnapped do they find him?

[AleezaChocolat]

. . . Why don't you just watch the rest of the series to find out? XD

[HalidirX]

Will walt be in season 6 ?

[MultiFeral]

@HalidirX I heard their trying to CGI him younger, so he may be in the flash-sideways.

[HalidirX]

@MultiFeral thats cool thx dude

[tvrulesnation]

SPOILERS***************

walt says ''i had a dream about you, you were in a suit & there were people all around you, they wanted to hurt you john''

sounds VERY like LA x (season 6 first episode) where Fake Locke comes out of the statue & they all point guns at him, he hits Richard & says ''i'm very disappointed in all of you''

+ walks by Locke who is dead on the beach IN A SUIT.

or am i reading too much into this?

+ they never explained how Walt could throw knives+kill birds randomly

[MultiFeral]

@tvrulesnation I thought that was from when Ben killed Caesar. I first heard they might explain what makes him special, but might not actually need him. More recently I heard they are trying to CGI him younger, so he'll likley be in the flash-sideways of Season 6 where the plane doesn't crash. Oh, and Michael will be in the "2nd half" of Season 6 around the same time as Libby, whose mysteries will be answered.

[tvrulesnation]

MULTI

hmm whos caesar? (do you mean jacob? who ben killed)

yeah i heard that too, supposedly he's meant to be a bad actor, personally i don't think he is great in this 2 mins but i don't think he is bad either.

he portrays a typical teen with a strained father relationship pretty well.

he HAS to be re-united with Vincent though thats a scene begging to be a tearjerker

[MultiFeral]

@tvrulesnation No, Caesar was on flight 316, search on here Ben kills Caesar and you'll see.

[ExplosiveNixon]

Most likely not but the producers did say they want to bring closure to that story. Perhaps they'll find a way to finish that storyline without having to bring him back.

[akfak0retlaw]

This never made any sense. How does Walt explain both cover ups? The first one when the found the fake wreck and the second one with the Oceanic 6. His family and people around him know he was on that plane. Who's keeping them quiet? And does his step dad in Australia ever find out that he's alive?

[Har19]

@akfak0retlaw He only had to explain it to his grandmother. No one in the US (any of his friends for example) would've known he was on the plane, only Brian Porter, his step-dad--and he wanted nothing to do with Walt. Remember Walt was raised in Australia, it's likely no one knew he ended up the States.

[akfak0retlaw]

Yes, but when Oceanic is doing the report of all the people that died on the plane, unless Walt changes his identity they'll find out he's still alive when the settle the law suits with all the families. And did they ever explain the first wreckage that they said had everyone's body on board with the Oceanic six's story?

[MultiFeral]

@akfak0retlaw They don't have to sue if they don't want, and if anybody did, it would be his step-dad, grandma wasn't in his life until after the crash. And it's not to big a streach to ay they miscountd the wreckage or couldn't get to the whole plane and assued they were dead.

[JimboGrinbo]

Let's talk about Walt's dream.

"You was on the island in the costume, and there are people all around. They want to hurt you"

He come back at the island. But costume is himself used by Guy with the Black Clothes in the beggining talking with Jacob. I think in season 6 people that "want to hurt you John" is our Oceanic 6. Hope they WILL hurt him

[jexe7]

I just wanna what's the name of the music of this scene it sounds like life and death but different??

[LostSeriesMKD]

It's "Locke'd Out Again" from the season 1 OST. ;)

[illnino04]

whoa whoa!! been awhile since I have seen this episode..but...when walt mentions to locke about his dream (he was wearing a suit and ppl wanted to hurt him), wasnt john dead and the body found on the cargo hold, not sure if it is, where they found him and then but his body in a box?

[kappelmeister123]

@illnino04 yes exactly!

[AmericatheGreat08]

Walt's dream came true

[dkim68]

It's funny how Walt as a little kid in Season 1 was a better actor at a younger age than he is now.

[hprdg284]

I saw Walt's actor in a microwave pizza commercial (or something like that) at three in the morning one night.

I was like, "you have got to be kidding me"

[shotdownumber]

yeah lol

[jusmart]

I think he acts the same, it was just more impressive when he was ten :)

[dharmaluvsu]

Yeah, sad but true.

[kevaldinio]

how can you say that? he had little over 2 miniutes screen time? how can you say weather he is a good actor or not within 2 miniutes?

[ForrestGump716]

Isn't Helen Locke's "Phone friend" from season 1, episode, Walkabout?

[LostSeriesMKD]

Yep, that's right.

[spacerocker]

No it's not. That woman was a phone talk/sex talk worker who John was able to call Helen because he paid. He talked to her over the phone for quite a while, 8 months if I remember. This was after Locke had broken his back, lost his hair, and long after the real Helen had left John.

[henryb93]

really? did the producers state that or something? that makes a lot of sense

[lucius1976]

@ForrestGump716

I dont think so. I think they were two different kinds of Helen. One was the Phone friend, the other he met personally.

[GEALT09]

ugh i hate ben

[YummyMeredith]

i can't understand a thing

[LostSeriesMKD]

Why not?