Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Philippi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Rom10-13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
And when the Book from Allah came to them, which confirms the Book in their possession - and before that they used to seek victory through the medium of this very Prophet ( Muhammad Peace and Blessings be upon Him) over the disbelievers; so when the one whom they fully recognised came to them, they turned disbelievers - therefore Allah’s curse is upon the disbelievers. [Quran 2:89]
@allavi231 U quoted, Matt12:38 "Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him,"Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."
39 He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.."
Who are, "A wicked and adulterous generation.." that Jesus is talking abt? This is the term Jesus used for the unbelievers/Pharisees, with harden hearts, who question the ressurection. Familar?
@allavi231 Jesus' is also indicating that to the non-believers who reject the ressurection there will be only one sign, the sign of Jonah.. but to the believers after His resurrection, He appeared to them, and as He has said after His death He will send the Holy Spirit, and as a sign of that the discliples spoke in tongues. Believers receive the Holy Spirit
You still have not answered my questions about discrepancies in the record to the various events between the Bible and ur book!
And remember when Eisa the son of Maryam said, “O Descendants of Israel! Indeed I am Allah’s Noble Messenger towards you, confirming the Book Torah which was before me, and heralding glad tidings of the Noble Messenger who will come after me – his name is Ahmed (the Praised One)”; so when Ahmed came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is an obvious magic.” [Surah Saff 61:6]
@allavi231 muhammed said that the Torah and Injeel was sent by God, but beside the major theological differences which muslims say has christians "corrupted" it, there are other differences which I asked previously and no respond, and this record of Jonah there are quite a few major differences in how the event is recorded! So, the Book of Jonah was recorded before the koran version... who 'screwed' up the record? and How can we have two versions from supposedly from the same God?
Muslims use John 13 to say the HE in this verse is{ Muhammad } not the holy spirit.
You say GOD sent Muhammad The HE in John 13.
Do you not realize JESUS is the one speaking here and the one that is sending the Spirit of truth.
Jesus speaking .. 7=Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jesus is GOD and the HE in John is the holy spirit.
9=Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Awwww Latifa look at you! and we are so proud of you as well, Allah has guided you to Islam, to the path of truth, that's your fate and every one have to accept it!!
@AliAlrabti Muhammed allowed killing innocent people who's only offense was to criticize him. He had two poets killed, a man and a woman whose words offended Muhammed.
Tell me if the thief entered the house carrying a weapon tell me how to defend yourself?
If you complete reading the verse says that if you find that it was rape your land or you tries to kill you the last option is to kill him to self defense
@AliAlrabti A true believer would trust God to defend him. If he is killed by the intruder then it is the will of God for him to die. Jesus taught radical trust in God. He taught that we should not use violence to oppose evil but that our only weapons should be prayer, love and faith. Many Christians therfore do not participate in war or carry weapons. Jesus also taught that we should give to the thief what possessions he asks of us.
@christianjihadi then why are u helping Israel who kills hundreds of INNOCENT people every day,, with toys??no with real weapons, is there any mercy in that,, i love Esau (Jesus) but you are not following hes words,,and what about Pakistan 15000 INNOCENT people in an explosion,if you are looking for Usama bin laden just kill him not INNOCENT people,and there is more and more my friend, if you say that they are peacemakers i say they are invaders,may god help all the ppl who need help
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Prophet Muhammad said:"Whoever says: there is no god but Allah enters Paradise."
This is an universel salvation.Later if a believer (Muslim) commits a sin,he asks for forgiveness with sincerety. Here he has hope and is afraid of Allah's wrath,which stops him from indulging in D forbidden things.This is how he is made to lead a clean life. But Christians believe in D Murder of Jesus as their salvation & have no fear for sins, hence continue life with or without sins. Since they are already saved.
@allavi231 Muhammed was an ignorant man who never studied the Bible or the Christian faith. What he says in the Quran cannot be trusted. Neither what Muslims say can be trusted. Christians are motivated by love to not commit sins and not by fear. Muslims are motivated by fear, for Islam is a religion of ignorance, fear and hate. Christianity is a religion of truth, faith, hope and love. Christians do more charitable works than Muslims. Their religion is far better than Islam.
@christianjihadi If one studies a Bible then one realizes that Jesus never claimed to be God or God like. Trinity is a false concept of the church. Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
john 10:29 My Father, who hath given [them] unto me, is greater than all. ( This is what a Muslim calls ALLAHU AKBER )
You do not cross a red signal Bcoz you are afraid of police / ticket, don't you?
@allavi231 u unashamedly say, "If one studies a Bible.." and yet u intimate with ignorance that christians will live a sinful lifestyle..since they know that they are saved, It is so far from the truth and prooves u did not read the Bible as that is not what our Lord teaches.
Jesus lived a perfect life as an example, and that is the lifestyle we believers know to follow for our continued path to salvation. We will fall But Jesus is always there to pick us up with Love not with wrath.
"The Afghan President Hamid Karzai has ordered the release of a woman who was jailed for adultery AFTER being raped -- but she now faces having to marry her attacker, officials said"
SAD..
It is mindboggling, how muslims bury their head in the sand after reading such atrocity and declaring islam is fair ! How do u say that islam is peaceful when muslims are in revolt in Thailand, China, Philippines, and mayhem in their own backyard, middle east....and a problem in Europe!
@57epiphany They are following ur Bible. Have a look at ur book.
(If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married & rapes her and they are discovered,He shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives) Deut 22:18-19
The poor girl, after she been raped, she must marry the rapist and stay with him till he dies. Who is the lunatic who believes that this is from God !!
@57epiphany Oops I gave U the wrong reference.The verses I was talking about are these:
"If a man is caught in the act of RAPING a young woman who is not engaged,he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.Then he must MARRY the young woman because he violated her,& he will NEVER be allowed to DIVORCE her"(Deuteronomy22:28-29 NLT)
The American sponsored Afghan government is just following the Bible.Who is the lunatic that believes this is divine ha??
@57epiphany "Christian Rev RAPE DAUGHTER-THE ROTTEN FRUIT OF CHRISTIANITY
A Pentecostal minister convicted of repeatedly raping HIS daughter has been sentenced to 17-50 years in prison.Darrell Bell,50,as a sexual predator,has been ruled a sexually-oriented offender.His daughter Dawn Bell,asked to be publicly identified as she helped prosecute her father.She said her abuse began at age 10 and continued until she was18" It is quite arrogant on chriSATAN's part to point figers at others
@PeacefulOnly U ask us for answers and we answers u but when we ask you questions u dont answer and latter claim, Oh, I did not see it can u repeat it... what a liar.I decided to answers some of ur twisted interpretations just to proof ur deceit which is taught in islam to lie for ur cause!
Old testament shows man's impossiblity to attain salvation through the commandments, Christ Jesus has FULLFILLED all the commandments, but islam is going backwards, to bring back what Christ has removed!
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law,or the Prophets:I am not come to destroy but to FULFIL.......Whosoever will BREAK ONE least of these commandments & shall teach men so shall be called LAST in the kingdom of heaven"Matt5:17-20
This is confirmed in Luke16:17:
"It is easier for heaven & earth to pass,than one tittle of the law to fail"
Jesus never abolished the LAW.It was the anti christ Paul who did that.Muslims are on the right path & U are WRONG.
Are these learned scholars LYING or U as an ignorant person is speaking the truth ? How do U expect me to believe the Bible is still perfect after reading this news article ?
@PeacefulOnly Muslims have a very pathetic response when we ask so where is these "elusive" Twaraat amd Injel that their god sent? maybe we christian burnt it .. like the early koran !
The death of Moses was recorded and the book completed by succussor Prophet by divine authority, but obvioulsy you will not want to know that!
All your twisting of the Bible verses, we christians have responded many times over
@57epiphany In 325 AD. Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea and BURNED THE ORIGINAL GOSPELS! Then They invented their Own version of the New Testament which Christians still use today. THE DOCTRINE OF TRINITY WAS ESTABLISHED, They ADDED THE FOLLOWING:
1. The Trinity,
2. The divine Sonship of Jesus (pbuh),
3. The original sin, and
4. The death of "the Son of God" on the cross in atonement for the original sin of Adam.
@57epiphany LoLoL hahaha Are U really serious ??? U are asking me to check out the articles written by the buffoons of answering Islam. ROFL !!! Check out answering-christianity(DOT)com. ALL the articles of the buffoons have been refuted at this site. Infact answering-christianity has even put a testimonial of this on their main page. Visit this site,U might actually learn something. The jokes of anweringIslam can easily be rebutted by even kids. It's pathetic on ur side to believe such lies.
@PeacefulOnly U have started name calling in your post... as such I too will label the clowns and preverts at answering-christians as 1 dimensional minded whose only thought is How can God Have a Son, because your perverted mind only think that God needs to have sex for that to happen... you guys are carnal in your thoughts...eveyrthing is about is sex, 72 virgins in paradise!!! LOL
Limiting the capablility of God!
So limited is your mind... there is no progress in your system!
when ive read the bible ive felt that it wasnt god speaking but when ive read the quran it was like im god speaking to me, and there is millions of profs that the quran has never been changed
@malek689 The Quran was revised by Caliph Uthman, who burned all other differing versions of the Quran except his own. The Arabic Quran of today should really be called "Caliph Uthman's Revised Version of the Quran". Check out YouTube video, "The Original Burn the Quran Day" to understand how the Quran has been corrupted.
@malek689 The Quran is only Muhammed speaking to you. He mistook his own ego for the voice of Allah, that is why he spoke the satanic verses. The Quran is filled with hundreds of satanic verses.
@christianjihadi please do not talk about the prophet Mohammed may peace be upon him this way.i dont want to offend your religion then i wont be a real Muslim im going to say that the prophet mohammed dosnt know how to write or to read and theres proof from his companions ali bin abi taleb pass it to abu bakr al sideek and he pass it to all the companions of mohammed until today.
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@TheAbahaziz Islam is the world fastest growing mental illness. It is a mental illness that turns peaceful people into Islamic terrrorists willing to kill for the sake of Allah.
@christianjihadi islam forbids terrorists and killing innocent people in islam and in all over the world, islam is a peaceful religion and does not want any harm in Christianity and Jew and all other religion
@christianjihadi allah dosnt allow killing innocents he tells us to kill who try to kill the prophet and to wage war against allah and spread mischief on earth it dosnt say kill with out any reason,theres is no place in heaven for those who kill with out any reason
How many Muslims does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None, because Muslims are not allowed to screw in lightbulbs. They aren't even allowed to screw at all, unless it's their wife, in their own bed, and who the fuck would want a Muslim wife anyways?
@icxbxy Yes, even in moderate malaysia, they are intolerant toward conversion, example the case of Lina Joy, and most recently, they held a rally to protest against christian preachings.... Why are muslims so insecure? If your faith is the truth then it should withstand the scrutiny of the Free world!
Can I go into saudi arabia and preach the Gospel without the fear of death or imprisonment?
@57epiphany you just only look for bad and good, all of this altitude neither muslim nor christian are bad. if we are truly searching for the right path we don't need to look for the mistakes of the other and criticized them. instead its up to us weather we are agree for certain belief.
@57epiphany my opinion to your suggestion is how we can truly know and find the truth if our belief is truly from God if we do not compare our belief to other religion? I hope that all the users of Youtube have the same intention with me. to share that my belief is truly from God and I feel that you too. by the way can you show me how is salvation base on your belief and books?
@MarrenDeen Comparing religion is ok, but when you start calling names like the Bible is a "porn magazine" surely that is nasty and unproductive, if u look at my post I did not critize this lady who converted, because I believe in freedom of choice, but I got involved in this site when ur fellow muslim "peacefulonly" called the Bible porn, That is nasty.
We Christians call our God, Father and we say "God Is Love". We have a Father child relationship, His Love and purpose is clear.
@57epiphany Yes you are right! I agree with you. the very best and most important to all is to respect each other. because its up to a person choice. which you believe is true. actually i never read the whole bible. i only watch some youtube debate, post and listen to some christian lecture and bible exposition in my country. i notice some slight difference between each sect. and each one claiming to be from God.
@MarrenDeen Salvation, Here is the words of our Lord Jesus Christ : John 3:16
" For God so Loved the world that He gave His only begotten son That whoever Believes in Him shall not perish but Have everlasting Life".
Now that is 100% salvation for beleivers of the messiah Lord Jesus Christ.
Believers of Jesus Christ will read and learn His teachings which will result in right living, man will always sin But with Jesus as ur focus u will do less of it and avoid it.
@57epiphany but why John 3:16 is taken out of the Revise Standard Version of the Bible because they (Bible Scholars) learned that this John 3:16 is not in the original version of the bible? pls answer
@MarrenDeen Hi, The RSV, does have that verse, this version is written in simple modern day english. The core believe in christianity is found in this verse, if you take it out THEN christanity is just like any other religions, buddhism,hindusim, islam, Which is what man must do to earn god's favour,salvation, with christianity it is what God has done for man's salvation. Others challenge that believe. Bible say God Is Love, This is Powerful! So detractors say Bible is not original, corrupt.
@MarrenDeen Looks like u have agn moved away from the idea of just sticking to ur own book to expound on the virtues of ur book. As far as I am concerned there is just 1 thing to decide, which of the 2 systems can guarantee 100% salvation and I can boldly say That I have 100% salvation because of what Jesus Christ has done, who is my guarantee. There over 2 billion christians, and such these so called 32 "Christian scholars" have not made any dent on our believe, we are lead by Holy Spirit.
@57epiphany ( I WILL TELL YOU THE BIBLE IS FROGERY ) . Only the ones with a "BRAIN" will ask the Question . Why there are so many Versions of the Bibles and they differ in their verses : . Roman Catholic 73 book . . Protestants 66 book .. . Ethiopian 40+ book . Orthodox 84 books . Luke 17:36 is missing from the RSV ..WHY!! . John 5:3 KJV is not in the RSV / NIV /GOD'S Word Translation /Good News .WHY!! . I can go on & on. . May be its about time u question ur self (is the Bible God's word)
@PeacefulOnly All versions of the Bible teach the same essential truth from God. There may be some differences in minor points but are the same in the most important truths. The Gospel is the same in all Bible versions. Luke 17:36 is not the overall message of the Gospel. The overall message opf the Bible is to believe in Jesus' the Messiah and son of God, who died for our sins and rose from the dead for our salvation. In this all versions of the Bible agree.
@christianjihadi *Its HERESY to equate God to creation as man *Trinity is man-made/has NO basis in Scripture *God is ONE [Exod20:3,Mrk12:29,Quran2:163] *God is NOT man/son [Num23:19] & NEVER seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or Universe "Let there BE.." [Gen ch1,2] *God does NOT need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are NOT born with original sin[Ezek18:20]*Salvation is: Surrender to God[ISLAM] & His MERCY.
Is any1 willing to surrender to GOD[Muslim]now and be saved?
@PeacefulOnly It is ignorance to say that God is unlike his creation. The Torah states that God created man in His image and likeness. Allah, the Holy Trinity is a divine mystery hidden in scripture. In the Torah, Genesis 18, it is written that God appeared to Abraham in the form of 3 men. In the Gospel, Jesus commanded His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is not created but the eternal Word of God which is with God from eternity, and is God; John 8:58.
@PeacefulOnly Num 23:19 states that God is not like men who tell lies. Jesus never told a lie but always spoke truth. God commands blood sacrifice in the Torah "for without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins". Jesus came to fullfill the Torah by becoming the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Salvation is found by surrendering to Jesus, Son of God & Saviour. He is the only path to God through which we can be saved. Islam is ignorance and a rejection of God's mercy in Christ..
@PeacefulOnly U are unshamed to continue to challenge me without answering my previous questions and preventing/restricting my reply in your website:
Here is another question for u " In the early days of islam did they burn some versions of koran and decided on one version? Where is the Hafsah codex? Did one of the main "memoriser" of the koran die before it was written? Hmmmm.... more questions!
The extra books in the Bible are non-canonised books in your language like a hadith....
@57epiphany I have answered all of ur questions & I do not have a web site so no way can I restrict any sort of reply. Sir William Muir, a renowned critic of Islam says this regarding The Quran:
"There is not a single book on earth that has remained in its pristine form as it were revealed some 12 centuries ago, (now 14 centuries) but the Koran."
All over the universe, you will find the same Quran with the same verses. Can U say the same for the bible? NO !!!
@PeacefulOnly The modern day Quran is not the original one invented by Muhammed but is revised versdion made by caliph Uthman. He destroyed all differing copies so that now there is only the revised version of Caliph Uthman that is only Arabic Quran is existence.
@PeacefulOnly The evidence found in the hadiths proves that the Quran has been corrupted. It is not the original one invented by Muhammed. Check out YouTube video "The Original Burn the Quran Day".
@christianjihadi I have sent U the response video & to 57epiphany as well.
No matter how much the lying chriSATAN missionaries bark, TRUTH(islam) prevails over FALSEHOOD(christianity).
Sir William Muir, a renowned critic of Islam on the Quran:
"There is not a single book on earth that has remained in its pristine form as it were revealed some 12 centuries ago, (now 14 centuries) but the Koran."
@PeacefulOnly Again I repeat, Did your koran say that the Twaraat and Injel is from God?
If it did why are you saying it is corrupted, I did not say false or fake I say u said corrupted, and the Bible just like koran says that God's words cannot be corrupted and will be protected!
U are contradicting with your god.... you are telling your god u dont know anything...
Did your prophet write the koran? So if it is corrupted, why did your farsighted god not completely reject the Bible as it was?
@57epiphany Yeah The Torah (& not the Old Testament) & the Injeel (gospel of Jesus) are from God. So show me the "Torah revealed to Moses" and "The gospel of Jesus" and I will certainly believe them. The Quran Confirms the Bible corruption. Read this :
QUR'AN:2: 79 "THEN WOE TO THOSE WHO WRITE THE BOOK WITH THEIR OWN HANDS, AND THEN SAY:"THIS IS FROM ALLAH," TO TRAFFIC WITH IT FOR MISERABLE PRICE!- WOE TO THEM FOR WHAT THEIR HANDS DO WRITE, AND FOR THE GAIN THEY MAKE THEREBY "
@PeacefulOnly Quran 2:79 only refers to a party of of Medinan Jews(verse 75) who write the book with their own hands. It cannot be refering to all Jews and Christians of the then known world. It is an impossible thing for all Jews and Christians to conspire and alter their Bibles in the same way.
@PeacefulOnly Here is another question for u " In the early days of islam did they burn the original versions of the koran and decided on one version? Where is the Hafsah codex? Did many of the "memoriser/reciters" of the koran die in battle before it was written? Original condition??? Muslims are the first to burn their god's verses, what u think?
Muslims are unable to discuss salvation, hence they pervert the Bible verses.
@57epiphany The hadiths give ample evidence that the modern day Quran is not the original one invented by Muhammed. Caliph Uthman was the first to revise the Quran and burn other versions so that only his remained. Check out YouTube video "The Original Burn the Quran Day".
@christianjihadi I sent U the video response. You are a COWARD. You do not even have the guts to see a small 10 minutes video response. Well U prove how strong the grip of satan is on his brainwashed followers. In any case TRUTH(Islam) always prevails over FALSEHOOD(chriSATANity).
@PeacefulOnly U have such an inferority complex... that u will bring up obscure thoughts and outdated views....
U have no salvation and you know that.. as such it is satans plan to attack the system that provides 100% salvation...which through Christ Jesus the messiah. U clowns have no salvation and guess who is waiting for the you guys, with salivating mouth to devour you and with perverted eyes the deceiver himself satan!
It is always christians who bring up this topic salvation, we have IT.
. How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although they dont believe in Jesus ?
. Doesn't that contradict the claim in the Bible that only way to heaven is through Jesus ? .
. Man .. Give up the PAGAN religion and accept the truth .. the religion of total submission & surrender to the Creator not Creation .. Islam is the religion of Muhammed ,Jesus ,Moses all the way back to Adam peace be upon all of them. .
@PeacefulOnly The Gospel teaches that the Jewish people as a whole will eventually accept Jesus as their Messiah and Lord, and will be saved as a result. There is a Catholic prophecy that Muslims will also eventually accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, and also be saved. For now, Muslims only submit to Muhammed but not to God. If Muslims truly submitted to God they will become Christians. The Christian faith contains the fullness of Truth. Islam contains 10% truth, 90% falsehood.
@57epiphany Christians say that people go to Heaven ONLY THROUGH JESUS !! yet Paul says in 1 CORINTHIANS 7:8-16 that the unbelieving husband is acceptable to God because he is united with his wife and vice versa, and their pagan children are also acceptable to God. So people can go to heaven without believing in Jesus . How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although they don't believe in Jesus?
that contradicts u who say the only way to heaven is through Jesus?
@PeacefulOnly 1 Corinthians 7:8-16 teaches that the Christian faith of a wife can be a sanctifying influence on her unbelieveing husband. The faith of Christian parents can have a sanctifying influence of their unbelieving children. The influence of Christians'' faith can save others through their prayers & godly living so that unbelievrs will eventually be saved by accepting Christ as their Saviour & Lord. All Israel will eventually be saved when they accept Jesus as their Messiah and Lord.
@PeacefulOnly The Bible says " Dont cast pearls before swines"... they will not appreciate the beauty of the Bible verses, which is clearly exemplified by u, misquoting and providing ur own twisted interpretation.. unlike islam which says kill the kaffir or unbelievers, 1 CORINTHIANS 7:8-16 , says in essence to embrace the unbelieving spouse or children and the believing spouse's blessings will flow through to the family, it does not talk about salvation, and the unbelieving will be believers
@57epiphany Isaiah 45:17 "But Israel will be SAVED by the LORD with an EVERLASTING SALVATION; you will never be put to shame or disgraced, to ages everlasting."
An everlasting salvation was promised by the biblical god to Israel even before Jesus was born. How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is SAVED although they don't believe in Jesus ? !!!! * Doesn't that CONTRADICT the claim in the Bible that the ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN IS THROUGH JESUS !!!
@PeacefulOnly The book of Isaiah is Book Of Prophecy, in the old testament, Hence ,".. WILL BE saved...." when the Messiah comes and they believe in Him, Then they are saved..The time will come when all Israel will believe in the Messiah Lord Jesus.. just like any other non-believers, who when they believe are SAVED.. so "will be", is in the future..when the Lord comes...and their salvation is a certainty, when the Believer accepts Jesus died for their sin.
@57epiphany MATHEW26:28for this is my blood of the covenant,which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.SO JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS? Mathew19:16 Then someone came to him and said,‘Teacher,what good deed must I do to have eternal life?’ 17And he said to him, ‘Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ SALVATION SAYS JESUS IS TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS,EITHER HE IS LYING OR THE BOOK IS CORRUPT
@PeacefulOnly muslims dont use the full verses, Matt 19:16-22, Just like muslims, a rich man came to boast to Jesus that he has followed ALL the commandments, so Jesus said to him sell all ur possesions and follow Him, but alas the rich man could not part with his possesions, which means He treats possessions as god, and the 1st commandent is, " Thou shall have no other gods BUT Me". Hence he cannot have salvation because he cannot keep the commandments, Its shows we Need Jesus
"When the young man heard this,he went away sad,because he had great wealth"[Matt19:22]
Only a brainwashed chriSATAN will twist this simple verse to conclude that the man broke the 1st commandment. How low will U go?? Look @ urself & ur materialistic christian brethren. By ur inference, all of U now worship 4 gods. The trinity + ur posessions bcoz even U are not parting with them. If Jesus came to abolish the law,he could have said it in plain words.
@PeacefulOnly your quote "-Racism Jesus says to a Greek woman that it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dog.."
When u have time rethink what u wrote, maybe I will assist you, will you give your children's bread to feed your dog? (is muslim anti-dog?) Your retort has gone haywire, wild! For a start that is not what Jesus was illustrating.. but if I clarify, I will agn. be "presenting" a beautiful Bible story to an unappreciative, closed minded person.
@PeacefulOnly You like to quote the Bible and twist it to your "agenda", But me the Follower of the Bible response to you what we have learnt from OUR OWN book and you say I am Twisting.How screwed up are u? You have no self-worth, you come into my house and tell me to re-arrange my furniture, What? That is why, Jesus said that He will ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit in us, to continue His work in us. Hence our knowledge is christian God inspired unlike your interpretations!
U make a sweeping statement that christian worship money, which demostrates how much of ur head is in the sand, For the Tsunami in Indonesia my local church raised $1 mil in ONE Sunday! whenever there is a calamity or disaster in any parts of the world christian organisations gather resources to provide assistance and Our Father teaches how to give and How He would response to such a heart.
Stop arguing for argument sake, makes u look childish and trivial
@57epiphany ~Jesus in the Bible guaranteed Paradise to NON-TRINITARIANS:
. The man asked Jesus"Teacher,WHAT MUST I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?"
. "Love the LORD YOUR GOD with all your heart & with all your soul & with all your strength & with all your mind:and love your NEIGHBOR as your self.Do this & you will LIVE ."Luke 10:27-28
.Notice,that Jesus never spoke about any TRINITY-LIE Concept ,nor did he say , " Accept Jesus as a mediator between him & God to win Eternal life ~
"do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs."
what a bloody racist !! This explains why racism is so prevailing & thriving in the chriSATAN countries. The Islamic Jesus is pure & free from all the evil the filthy bible attributes to him.
@PeacefulOnly Matt 7:6 The picture here is of wild dogs and boars tearing their prey into pieces. This is a symbolic picture of those with very high negative views (Just Like u) toward the gospel. These people mock the gospel as indicated by trampling it under foot and even going further in tearing apart the gospel message itself.
PRINCIPLE: There is no need to present the gospel to those with negative views toward Jehovah/Yahweh.. so How did racism come into picture?
@57epiphany -Racism : Jesus says do not give what is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine / Matt 7:6
If some one disagrees with U or argues then he is a dog & a pig. No matter how U picture this command of Jesus, it is very offensive & racist. The Jesus as the bible potrays is very much a shady character. He even likened gentiles like U to dogs.
-Racism Jesus says to a Greek woman that it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs / Mark 7:28
@PeacefulOnly Initially, I was disturbed by ur replies, then I realise, "Hey, this person is ignorant, lacks knowledge cause the material he gathers his knowledge from does not teach or is limited in knowledge, and this person is drowning and he is grabbing a straw to survive...how futile!" In my response, it is already indicated it is a symbolic picture, but u choose to 'radicalise', the illustration. That is what islam produces 1 dimensional followers,no scope to think.
@allavi231 In my previous post I said, muslims have a 1 dimensional thought process, for u it connotes reproduction-sex, carnal thinking.Seems u limit ur god's capabilities! Can a person be both a father and son? God is spiritual and is as we know is capable of Anything, as such He can also manifest Himself. The Christian Father God, u know? A person has body, mind and spirit=1,The 3 nature of God is in PERFECT unity.Trinity question agn! and christians have answered it many times.
@57epiphany Your own rejected the trinity concept, the Jews.
Now you said it "manifest". Why not Ram among Hindu is a God. The God who manifested Himself as Jesus in Nazrath also had manifested Himself as Ram in India.
Do you acknowledge Ram as God, please give reason for your answer?
@allavi231 That is a new twist from you muslims, good one.. ram LOL.... Hey, better still u can find a verse in the Bible to show ram.. just like how u muslims show muhammed in the Bible.. comon go for it... surely u can find a verse! u guys are creative in finding verses to suite ur cause!
Ah.. u the same.. calling the Bible corrupted, yet u quote a corrupted book, it shows u have no self-esteem and morals, that is why u will vote for anything as u have no values!
@allavi231 Oh, by the way... both Jews and Christians have one thing in common they both reject islam!... so do u still vote for Jews, now? as per your previous post!
epiphany Hmm, Actually Jews or Christians, they both are the children of Israeel. They used to follow the Prophets in line. Suddenly, when Jesus the true Prophet of God came they rejected him & remained Jews. While the one who believed in him the wrong way (trinity) were called Christians. So, who's gonna come for rescue & speak the truth about Jesus?
@allavi231 Have pre-empted u, in my post asking u to show "ram" in the Bible.. but I suppose u are still searching. U say Bible has mistakes, yet u quote a Book that has errors, u have no intergrity or creditablity! Posted previously the "comforter" & "helper" is for the Holy Spirit. All the prophets in the Tawraat and Jesus are jews, and suddenly muhammmed a non jew comes along, HUH! Jesus quotes from the previous book, Did muhammed quote from the previous books? Looks dubious!
@57epiphany Of course Lord Ram is not in Bible then why go as far as India & China & preach about Jesus. If Jesus was the manifestation of God, Ram was incarnation of God.
And in last century Rajneesh Osho was God.
Since jews defamed the truth by blaming Mary & Jesus (Sanhedrin 106a:42) to one extreme, the christians to defend Jesus, made him God like, divine & went to other extreme. So God send a non-jew (Deuteronomy 18:18) to speak all the truth for what the J & C r fighting for centuries.
@allavi231 Why did u bring up an irrelevant arugement about another religion... that is how muslims argue.. when they find they are trappped they divert to another irrelevant area. What islam is unable to to do is "compete" or compare as apple to apple without claiming corruption of book. U are claiming that urs is the legitimate system based on the Abrahamic covennant... I am not debating with a hindu here! U think we are unable to compare u to other practises and systems?
@allavi231 Here u go again quoting Deut 18:18 now look at Deut 17:5...to understand the term "brethrens"? After that verse it continues to be Jew prophets... In my learning about the Bible my Father is not schizophrenia, for 100 yrs the prophets are jews and with no Bible reason, He changes to non-jew!
muhammed does not even quote from the previous Books to proof his legitimacy,
that is why jews and christians of that day immediately rejected him and from there starts the enemity :(
@57epiphany Majority of Jews (Jw) 1. Did not accept a Jw Jesus (Js) as a Prophet (Pt). 2. Rejected a Jw Js as a Son of God (SoG). 3. Insults a Jw Js & Mary (Sanhedrin 106a), till this date. Minority of Jw Christians (Cs) 1. Do not accept a Jw Js as a Pt. 2. Accepts a Jw Js to be SoG, Trinity, murder, salvation. 3. Loves a Jw Js. The
common thing among D Jws & Cs is they both deny a Jw Js as a Pt. Still u want a Jw Pt? Is a Jw nation still reliable & trustable, after this chaos? Matthew 21:43.
@allavi231 The Bible shows us jews confident of their relationship with God, to the point they are prideful and there is outward show of this religiousity, which u will find that muslims are also trying to imitate, outward show of piety! With that sort of pride, the first christians were jews, means some acceptance. And again they have "rebelled" against God's plan in their rejection of the Messiah Jesus, But the God of Israel is faithful, He will open their eyes in last days
@57epiphany Pride is drowning u. Swallow ur pride occasionally, its not fattening. If u r a non-jew christian then I may not continue conversation as Jesus was sent only to the Jews. Matt 15:24, Matt 10:6, Quran 3:49.
But if u r a Jew Christian then I better listen to what Jesus said to ur nation - An evil and adulterous generation Matt 12:39. So learning truth from a teacher, he/she had to be good, pious, trustful, learned etc.
@allavi231 I am non jewish christian, and from day one I know... God The Father had told the patriach of the "One God Faith"- Abraham, that he will be the father of many nations, "Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification" Rom.4:23-25
@allavi231 :) :) .. Engaging u, my faith which is already strongly rooted, has gotten so deep that it can NEVER be uprooted, tks. I said previously, that islam is trying to imitate Jewish traditions, ... The phrase "Peace be with you", has its root in Jewish tradition where they say, Shalom...islam is a very bad pirated copy of the Jewish and Christian Faith. I marvel at muslims, how u try to pass off that u are the originators of the "One God Faith".. when u have no prior records!
@57epiphany Who said Islam is a new religion of Muhammad, rather Muhammad is the final prophet of teaching monotheism. From Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ismaeel, Moses, Jesus & Muhammad. Don't you hold all these records then why you looking for an arabic record ???
@allavi231 Great... so u now accept our record is uncorruptedor not? Our record says, it was Issac that was sacrificed, the very start ur book is already disputing the facts so! ...and does not ur book say that apparently there is an "original version" with ur god and it is in arabic? We have the records... and I know what my record says.. But u are the one who are changing the records! Ur book say Jesus will return, Hey, again a prophet is coming, I thought muhammmed is the last, What?
@allavi231 Clearly, this forum shows that islam cannot stand on its own, because the Bible is still very much around. As such, muslims have to literally try to "destroy" the Bible by saying it is corrupt etc. The Bible being the True word of God is a huge obstacle to its legitimacy. Notice it is the muslims who mostly quote the Bible to proof their case which they twist to try and fit it to their system! As I said previously, Book for book, islam cannot stand up to the scrutiny.
@57epiphany When I say u got records, I mean tht which tally with Quran only.
Just think about this that Moses taught of One & only God and the later Prophets too so what happened to that message after Jesus came, is it the same ???
Of course not the later christians deviated from that message and associated the God with other two or in other words split God into three, thats where u all are wrong.
To correct the message again God send the final Prophet Muhammad with Quran.
@allavi231 Unfortunately, ur mind is 1 faceted.. its u who has perverted what Jesus Christ stand for because of ur 1 dimensional mind ... to put it a simple way... man is made of Body, soul and spirit... I person 3 parts... 1 God, 3 nature/parts... can a man be a father and a son?... if u choose to ignore what christians are saying then dont say our text is corrupted.. its u who has perverted the original record.. and Please dont come and tell me Trinity is not in the Bible, it is!
@allavi231 LOL.. Just amazed at ur arrogrance/ manners.. I have responded to ur previous misquotes from the Bible and I have questions which u have ignored and as it is the style of muslims when cornered, move to another topic.. John 2:19, "19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days. 20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?”
@allavi231 I am not sure u understand english, as I have said previouly, engaging u have shown me That the Bible is the Truth.
So, YES I am very confident about the Bible, because the Bible is written with details that the Father has provided so that we can have clear understanding of Him and His Will.
Hey, why dont u ask, why Jesus did not precisely prophecied the hr, min, sec.? U quote the Bible without understanding its style and traditions of the day. only muslims contradict
@allavi231 The koran acknowledges the Torah and Injeel, Let use a simple difference Who raised Moses, pharoah's daugther or pharoah's wife?The Bible say it was the daugther. Now, in this simple situation If there is difference, How come there is difference? since this is from God. My Point, the koran acknowledges the Bible BUT from the beginning the Jewish and Christian Faith Never acknowledge koran, as the Christian are not expecting another prophet and the Jews looking for a Messiah
@allavi231 Polite? U are demanding and shouting! This event of Jonah was recorded in the old Testament, Book of Jonah. Yes, Jonah died and there are lessons from this event, he died and was resurrected. Jonah 2:2 ".. Out of the belly of hell(sheol) cried I, and thou heardest my voice".. (sheol as in grave).. 5 "The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me around about, the weeds were wrapped about my head"... showing he drowned... (his body died)
@allavi231 First, u have not answered my questions and u are arguementative, so when a person dies, is he completely eradicated that there is nothing left, vanished or he has a soul? When drowning does it takes place instantly or is he in the water a little before he drowned? During that moment could he have reached out to God, knowing very well that His God is faithfull? As I said previously,u are 1 dimentional, that's why Jesus said he will send the Holy Spirit into us to help us.
@57epiphany It is an accepted fact in Christian commentaries on the book of Jonah in the Bible that Jonah was kept miraculously alive during the time that he was in the stomach of the fish in the sea. At no time throughout his ordeal did he die in the fish and so came ashore as much alive as he was when he was first thrown into the sea. If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold!
@allavi231 I am christian and that is not an accepted fact, and I showed u some verses He died..U asked me a question and I answered u based on my scripture, and here is a bonus, The meaning of the sign of Jonah.. The religious leaders of that time, even after Jesus showed them many miracles b4, He had just raised Lazurus after being dead for 4 days, and they agn asking for sign., this prophesy after 2000 yrs still applies, to the muslims! U only want to discredit the ressurrection.
@allavi231 With regard to time, ur 20th century view of time is not what took place 2000 yrs ago! The day starts a 6 pm in the evening, and their day even if partial is said as 1 day, And Bible record shows that they express, time by saying, eg., Moses fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, Job's friend sat with him for 7 days and 7 nights, Jonah in the fish for for 3 days and 3 nights.. and Jesus was betrayed on Thursday evening His sacrifice could be considered from that point on...
@allavi231 The Bible is written, not based on just a "couple" of verses to highlight an event or person like the koran.The Bible is filled with the coming of the Messiah-Jesus Christ, unlike ur koran where there are about only 4 chapters worth of material on the Greatest Prophet of all time, Jesus Christ. U want to challenge the validity of the Bible based on ur limited or lack of understanding of the practises and style of writing of Jews of that day. So when will u answer me?
@allavi231 There are many other parts of the koran which does not tally with the Bible like the Bible says it is Isacc that Abraham sacrificed but koran says no ismael, Bible says Jesus Christ was cruxcified but koran says no he wasnt etc.. and there many more.. hence it not only this isssue about the Trinity, so basically u see, muhammed created another system.. which he pirated from the Jewish and Christian faith. He was trying to reinvent the wheel! God prepared us for the Messiah
@57epiphany Js went a little further, & fell on his face, & prayed Matt 26:39 What is his prayer to D Lord? D verse continues: “...saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.”
A Muslim is one who has submitted to D will of Allah. Js subdues his wishes & submits himself to D will of Allah. In other words, Js declares his Islam, submission, at that moment. No witness for curifixion Mark 14:50: & they all forsook him, & fled.
@allavi231 U said no witness to the cruxification, lets try this John 19 25-27, " Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby.." And here, Matt 27:54-56, Luke 23:49, Mark 15:39, & others, U quote the verses using a few words to twist the outcome and everytime we christians correct u, u come with another adulteration, surely we are different
@57epiphany Narrated Abu Huraira Radiallahu anhu :Allah's Apostle Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said, "The Hour ( Doomsday ) will not be established until the son of Mary (Isa Alihi Salam) descends amongst you ( Muslims ) as a just ruler, he will break the cross...
@allavi231 U can narrate anything, Christianity without the Cross or Jesus becomes like any other religion... not new... Therefore the motive to destroy the Cross.. The very foundation of the Christian Salvation is the Cross... Whoever u claim will come to destroy the cross is Surely Not my Saviour Jesus Christ... I know this much, satan surely despises/hates the Cross because it saves soul! I asked u before, who makes up the trinity based on the koran? What do a Messiah do?
@allavi231 U quote Matt 26:39, so according to u, quote .. " Js subdues his wishes & submits himself to D will of Allah".
So tell us what is God's will there and what was Jesus's wish, what is this cup Jesus is talking about? (I know what my Bible says.)
Prior to this are u telling me Jesus lead a life which did not conform to the will of God? ur quote.."In other words, Js declares his Islam, submission, at that moment"..
Jesus is the Messiah.. What does a Messiah do? Why so special?
@57epiphany Moses atonement was not accepted as ppl were punished with plague. Exo 32:35. O people of the book! Indeed Our Messenger has come to u making clear to u most of what u hid of the Bk and forgiving much; Indeed, there has come to u a light and a clear Bk from God. Quran 5:15
And We sent after them in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, We gave him D Gospel in which was guidance & light, & verifying what was before it of Torah & a guidance & an admonition for those who guard. Qu 5:46
@allavi231 "Moses atonement was not accepted", Did Bible say it was accepted? The Bible records that he offerered & Jesus also has that characteristic...and the Light... Moses shone as light when he met God and Jesus shone On the Mt. of Transfiguration... a testament of meeting God & there are witnesses who saw the Glory of God shining on them. These are testaments that they are bringing God's convenant to people. So much of holes in the account of koran..no witnesses!
@allavi231 I have shown u in previous post the quotes u twisted and showed u the Bible respond to ur quotes and again u quote the Bible without looking at other verses!
I have the Old Testament to tell me all I want to know abt. the Father's plan for Salvation, Whatever u try to quote from the koran is pointless becos it is a twisted imitation of Tawrat and Injeel with less details eg. Abraham and Isaac, Is the Torah a jewish Holy Book? to ur Abraham, Noah question! Who is Trinity?
@57epiphany O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Quran 49:13
The Lord your God in One. Deu 6:4
There is none worthy of worship except Allah,? they used to show arrogance Quran 37:35
@allavi231 Here is quote from Lord Jesus Christ, John 14 25-26,
"25 These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you"...
How much has muhammed brought things in remembrance of Saviour Jesus Christ?
There is only about 4 chapters worth of material On Jesus Christ in the koran, do u think that is it?
@57epiphany For a sincere faithful intelligent believer four words are enough " Jesus not a God ". Since 2000 years after Jesus, no one sopke about him? Can you tell me who the "Holy Spirit" is? Or are we still waiting for it? Remember trinity concept is alien to all previous Prophets, like Noah, Abraham, Moses, even Jesus and the final Prophet Muhammad who came 600 years after Jesus, conforming about One & only God and Jesus was his Prophet.
@allavi231 Great, the usual muslim argument, make up stuff from the Bible to try to legitimise ur "system" and when we christians show u That Jesus is God and the Trinity, u say it is corrupted. U have not answered me, are u quoting a corrupted Book? Looks like u need the Bible, but christians dont need the koran... we have the original Truth.
Surely, u cannot see the Trinity in the Bible because it would destroy ur koran claims, ur imams will only show the verses twisted by them!
@57epiphany The (D) Bible is like a torn pieces of a map, to a treasure (salvation). D Cs has arranged it wrongly & made up Trinity. We Muslims (M) solved that puzzle & rearranged it to show u D truth. If I quote a verse from Quran & u believe it then u r a M but u don't so v have to take the reference of D Book u believe in. Though v knew its not in original form. D other religions were involved to prove that if u have a Son of God, y not others can had God Himself, in Ram, Rajneesh Osho etc?
@allavi231 When u first engaged me, I have already told you, the type of salvation that u are talking, is what generally all religions including the Old covenant of which islam is a pathetic imitation says, acknowledge the god, follow the laws, lead a clean life and according to u, sincerely ask for forgiveness,(is there any other way to ask for forgiveness?)Then MAYBE, u MIGHT, HOPEFULLY u have covered all the sins u made by confessing every sec., u MAY have salvation.. Nothing New!
@allavi231 There is a saying," Imitation is the best form of flattery",islam is surely imitating the Bible, with catastrophic result! When muslims say things like the Bible is "arranged wrongly",they are actually trying to cover up the Flaws in the koran, as is there order in the koran? When, a muslim say something negative abt. the Bible u look at their book and u see that Flaw clearly in their book. They know the koran made an error recognisng the Gospels, now they say not original
@57epiphany The very basic foundation of monotheism (taught by Jew Pts) is being destroyed by u & others Deu 5:7-9. Mark 12:29. Mathew 5:17-20. Quran 114:1-4. Q 3:64. Q 13:7. Deu 17:15 describes appointing of a worldly king by people & not Pt (G's appointed). "Like Moses". Was Js like Moses? I mean their birth, death, migration, were accepted by people as a pt? Were Noah, Abraham etc Jews? Is Prophethood a copyright of Jws Or have u patented it?
@allavi231 Was Jesus like Moses? beside being a jew, In Exodus 32:30-23, Moses offerered himself as atonement for the sins of the people... Jesus has described himself as shepherd...John 10:10-15 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have [it] more abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.."
Moses for a time was a shepherd, here is a symbolic similarity.
@allavi231 Why jewish lineage, they are the group of people where their lineage has been recorded from Adam that practised and applied the "One God Faith". That is why suddenly ur mumahmed turned up without any "pedigree" in relation to this one God practise as extremely out of character for the True One God. After Abraham is there a record of what his lineage was practising? I am sure u have a "clever" answer!
@57epiphany Thanks for D compliment. Abraham Ab had 2 sons, Galatians 4:22 Ismaeel il & Isaac Ic. Ab built Kaaba, the house of God & settled Il there. Arabs D decendent of il never went astray for a vry long time but just before Pt Muhammad whereas the decendents of Ic mislead so much so tht 100s of Pts were sent there. So again u r looking for a new way of salvation, right? Just like the Jews who within 40 days & nights made a golden calf, I mean sort of. Gal 3:8-9. Jeremiah 13. FYI Matt 5:17.
@allavi231 LOL it was not a compliment & as with everything else, u misread. Your answer is surely not clever at ALL! Already asked u where are ur records of that time? Ur twisted record comes 1000 yrs after the fact! The original record, Genesis, does not show that Abraham travelled to mecca to build a stone structure! Twisted becos the original record tell us it is Abraham and Isacc, & recorded close to the event, not 1000yrs later. Where is the record from Abraham to muhammed?
@allavi231 Again u twist, I am not looking for a new salvation... The New Salvation is HERE AND throughtout the Old Tetstament God has told us, He will send The Messiah and explained that process. Isnt there the messiah in ur book? Does it not explain what it does? I am amazed at ur BOLD statement that decendents of Ishmael "never went astray", How arrogrant! Based on which scripture, this assumption? Where is the record that they were "holy"! Man till the end of time, is imperfect!
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Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Philippi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Rom10-13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
believeonetime 20 hours ago
And when the Book from Allah came to them, which confirms the Book in their possession - and before that they used to seek victory through the medium of this very Prophet ( Muhammad Peace and Blessings be upon Him) over the disbelievers; so when the one whom they fully recognised came to them, they turned disbelievers - therefore Allah’s curse is upon the disbelievers. [Quran 2:89]
allavi231 2 days ago
@allavi231 U quoted, Matt12:38 "Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him,"Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."
39 He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.."
Who are, "A wicked and adulterous generation.." that Jesus is talking abt? This is the term Jesus used for the unbelievers/Pharisees, with harden hearts, who question the ressurection. Familar?
57epiphany 2 days ago
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@allavi231 Jesus' is also indicating that to the non-believers who reject the ressurection there will be only one sign, the sign of Jonah.. but to the believers after His resurrection, He appeared to them, and as He has said after His death He will send the Holy Spirit, and as a sign of that the discliples spoke in tongues. Believers receive the Holy Spirit
You still have not answered my questions about discrepancies in the record to the various events between the Bible and ur book!
57epiphany 2 days ago
And remember when Eisa the son of Maryam said, “O Descendants of Israel! Indeed I am Allah’s Noble Messenger towards you, confirming the Book Torah which was before me, and heralding glad tidings of the Noble Messenger who will come after me – his name is Ahmed (the Praised One)”; so when Ahmed came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is an obvious magic.” [Surah Saff 61:6]
allavi231 4 days ago
@allavi231 muhammed said that the Torah and Injeel was sent by God, but beside the major theological differences which muslims say has christians "corrupted" it, there are other differences which I asked previously and no respond, and this record of Jonah there are quite a few major differences in how the event is recorded! So, the Book of Jonah was recorded before the koran version... who 'screwed' up the record? and How can we have two versions from supposedly from the same God?
57epiphany 3 days ago
So God did not send Muhammad
believeonetime 1 week ago
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Muslims use John 13 to say the HE in this verse is{ Muhammad } not the holy spirit.
You say GOD sent Muhammad The HE in John 13.
Do you not realize JESUS is the one speaking here and the one that is sending the Spirit of truth.
Jesus speaking .. 7=Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jesus is GOD and the HE in John is the holy spirit.
believeonetime 1 week ago
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John 14 (King James Version).
9=Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
believeonetime 1 week ago
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If she tries to leave this evil cult what will happen to this poor deluded woman?
karezza6 3 weeks ago
congrats sis welcome to islam.....:)
AFGHAN21100 4 weeks ago
Awwww Latifa look at you! and we are so proud of you as well, Allah has guided you to Islam, to the path of truth, that's your fate and every one have to accept it!!
TheR7boosh 1 month ago
SO PROUD!! Sister<3
Barcafanatic1 1 month ago
@christianjihadi
how many god we have?
AliAlrabti 1 month ago
If you are looking in the Koran there is a verse says killing a Innocent person is forbidden.
@christianjihadi
AliAlrabti 1 month ago
@AliAlrabti Muhammed allowed killing innocent people who's only offense was to criticize him. He had two poets killed, a man and a woman whose words offended Muhammed.
christianjihadi 1 month ago
Islam is a religion of peace
Tell me if the thief entered the house carrying a weapon tell me how to defend yourself?
If you complete reading the verse says that if you find that it was rape your land or you tries to kill you the last option is to kill him to self defense
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AliAlrabti 1 month ago
@AliAlrabti A true believer would trust God to defend him. If he is killed by the intruder then it is the will of God for him to die. Jesus taught radical trust in God. He taught that we should not use violence to oppose evil but that our only weapons should be prayer, love and faith. Many Christians therfore do not participate in war or carry weapons. Jesus also taught that we should give to the thief what possessions he asks of us.
christianjihadi 1 month ago
@christianjihadi then why are u helping Israel who kills hundreds of INNOCENT people every day,, with toys??no with real weapons, is there any mercy in that,, i love Esau (Jesus) but you are not following hes words,,and what about Pakistan 15000 INNOCENT people in an explosion,if you are looking for Usama bin laden just kill him not INNOCENT people,and there is more and more my friend, if you say that they are peacemakers i say they are invaders,may god help all the ppl who need help
malek689 1 month ago
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McGowenFilms 1 month ago
Prophet Muhammad said:"Whoever says: there is no god but Allah enters Paradise."
This is an universel salvation.Later if a believer (Muslim) commits a sin,he asks for forgiveness with sincerety. Here he has hope and is afraid of Allah's wrath,which stops him from indulging in D forbidden things.This is how he is made to lead a clean life. But Christians believe in D Murder of Jesus as their salvation & have no fear for sins, hence continue life with or without sins. Since they are already saved.
allavi231 1 month ago in playlist From Islam to Christianity
@allavi231 Muhammed was an ignorant man who never studied the Bible or the Christian faith. What he says in the Quran cannot be trusted. Neither what Muslims say can be trusted. Christians are motivated by love to not commit sins and not by fear. Muslims are motivated by fear, for Islam is a religion of ignorance, fear and hate. Christianity is a religion of truth, faith, hope and love. Christians do more charitable works than Muslims. Their religion is far better than Islam.
christianjihadi 1 month ago
@christianjihadi If one studies a Bible then one realizes that Jesus never claimed to be God or God like. Trinity is a false concept of the church. Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
john 10:29 My Father, who hath given [them] unto me, is greater than all. ( This is what a Muslim calls ALLAHU AKBER )
You do not cross a red signal Bcoz you are afraid of police / ticket, don't you?
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 u unashamedly say, "If one studies a Bible.." and yet u intimate with ignorance that christians will live a sinful lifestyle..since they know that they are saved, It is so far from the truth and prooves u did not read the Bible as that is not what our Lord teaches.
Jesus lived a perfect life as an example, and that is the lifestyle we believers know to follow for our continued path to salvation. We will fall But Jesus is always there to pick us up with Love not with wrath.
57epiphany 1 month ago
Quoting news source :
"The Afghan President Hamid Karzai has ordered the release of a woman who was jailed for adultery AFTER being raped -- but she now faces having to marry her attacker, officials said"
SAD..
It is mindboggling, how muslims bury their head in the sand after reading such atrocity and declaring islam is fair ! How do u say that islam is peaceful when muslims are in revolt in Thailand, China, Philippines, and mayhem in their own backyard, middle east....and a problem in Europe!
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany They are following ur Bible. Have a look at ur book.
(If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married & rapes her and they are discovered,He shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives) Deut 22:18-19
The poor girl, after she been raped, she must marry the rapist and stay with him till he dies. Who is the lunatic who believes that this is from God !!
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly U used Deut.22:18-19, it is a not story abt a man raping a woman.... which is not what those verses are about, It is abt. a man lying
(just like u) that his wife is not a virgin and what the punishment is for the man in dishonoring the lady and her family...
Who is the lunatic, the Afganistan islamist, who accuses the raped lady of 'adultery'
she is agn. "raped by the system"! The Bible will make responsible the one who did the wrong not the wronged!
57epiphany 1 month ago
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@57epiphany Oops I gave U the wrong reference.The verses I was talking about are these:
"If a man is caught in the act of RAPING a young woman who is not engaged,he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.Then he must MARRY the young woman because he violated her,& he will NEVER be allowed to DIVORCE her"(Deuteronomy22:28-29 NLT)
The American sponsored Afghan government is just following the Bible.Who is the lunatic that believes this is divine ha??
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@57epiphany "Christian Rev RAPE DAUGHTER-THE ROTTEN FRUIT OF CHRISTIANITY
A Pentecostal minister convicted of repeatedly raping HIS daughter has been sentenced to 17-50 years in prison.Darrell Bell,50,as a sexual predator,has been ruled a sexually-oriented offender.His daughter Dawn Bell,asked to be publicly identified as she helped prosecute her father.She said her abuse began at age 10 and continued until she was18" It is quite arrogant on chriSATAN's part to point figers at others
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@57epiphany Christians Great Implementation of the bad stuff written in the Bible
--->1 in 4 Christian teen girls has an STD(Sexually Transmitted diseases)which also include AIDS
christianteens(DOT)about.com/b/2008/03/13/sex-study-reveals-1-in-4-teenage-girls-has-an-std.htm
--->95% of Americans had premarital sex according to a new study
foxnews(DOT)com/wires/2006Dec19/0,4670,PremaritalSex,00.html
SICK !! ChriSATANity destroys families & morals & with its satanic corruption.
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@57epiphany Plz answer this simple question for me.
Why are jewish & christian scholars TRYING TO CORRECT ERRORS IN THE BIBBLE if there are none ? Check this out :
msnbc(DOT)msn(DOT)com/id/44117239/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/scholars-seek-correct-mistakes-bible/
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly U ask us for answers and we answers u but when we ask you questions u dont answer and latter claim, Oh, I did not see it can u repeat it... what a liar.I decided to answers some of ur twisted interpretations just to proof ur deceit which is taught in islam to lie for ur cause!
Old testament shows man's impossiblity to attain salvation through the commandments, Christ Jesus has FULLFILLED all the commandments, but islam is going backwards, to bring back what Christ has removed!
57epiphany 1 month ago
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@57epiphany Jesus says...
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law,or the Prophets:I am not come to destroy but to FULFIL.......Whosoever will BREAK ONE least of these commandments & shall teach men so shall be called LAST in the kingdom of heaven"Matt5:17-20
This is confirmed in Luke16:17:
"It is easier for heaven & earth to pass,than one tittle of the law to fail"
Jesus never abolished the LAW.It was the anti christ Paul who did that.Muslims are on the right path & U are WRONG.
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@57epiphany I am ONLY asking ONE simple question, not 2 or 3 or many. Answer just this ONE question for me.
Why are the jewish & christian scholars TRYING TO CORRECT MISTAKES IN THE BIBBLE ? Check this out :
msnbc(DOT)msn(DOT)com/id/44117239/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/scholars-seek-correct-mistakes-bible/
Are these learned scholars LYING or U as an ignorant person is speaking the truth ? How do U expect me to believe the Bible is still perfect after reading this news article ?
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
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@PeacefulOnly Muslims have a very pathetic response when we ask so where is these "elusive" Twaraat amd Injel that their god sent? maybe we christian burnt it .. like the early koran !
The death of Moses was recorded and the book completed by succussor Prophet by divine authority, but obvioulsy you will not want to know that!
All your twisting of the Bible verses, we christians have responded many times over
Go to: answeringislam com
57epiphany 2 months ago
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@57epiphany In 325 AD. Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea and BURNED THE ORIGINAL GOSPELS! Then They invented their Own version of the New Testament which Christians still use today. THE DOCTRINE OF TRINITY WAS ESTABLISHED, They ADDED THE FOLLOWING:
1. The Trinity,
2. The divine Sonship of Jesus (pbuh),
3. The original sin, and
4. The death of "the Son of God" on the cross in atonement for the original sin of Adam.
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@57epiphany LoLoL hahaha Are U really serious ??? U are asking me to check out the articles written by the buffoons of answering Islam. ROFL !!! Check out answering-christianity(DOT)com. ALL the articles of the buffoons have been refuted at this site. Infact answering-christianity has even put a testimonial of this on their main page. Visit this site,U might actually learn something. The jokes of anweringIslam can easily be rebutted by even kids. It's pathetic on ur side to believe such lies.
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
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@PeacefulOnly U have started name calling in your post... as such I too will label the clowns and preverts at answering-christians as 1 dimensional minded whose only thought is How can God Have a Son, because your perverted mind only think that God needs to have sex for that to happen... you guys are carnal in your thoughts...eveyrthing is about is sex, 72 virgins in paradise!!! LOL
Limiting the capablility of God!
So limited is your mind... there is no progress in your system!
57epiphany 2 months ago
when ive read the bible ive felt that it wasnt god speaking but when ive read the quran it was like im god speaking to me, and there is millions of profs that the quran has never been changed
malek689 2 months ago
@malek689 The Quran was revised by Caliph Uthman, who burned all other differing versions of the Quran except his own. The Arabic Quran of today should really be called "Caliph Uthman's Revised Version of the Quran". Check out YouTube video, "The Original Burn the Quran Day" to understand how the Quran has been corrupted.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@malek689 The Quran is only Muhammed speaking to you. He mistook his own ego for the voice of Allah, that is why he spoke the satanic verses. The Quran is filled with hundreds of satanic verses.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
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@christianjihadi please do not talk about the prophet Mohammed may peace be upon him this way.i dont want to offend your religion then i wont be a real Muslim im going to say that the prophet mohammed dosnt know how to write or to read and theres proof from his companions ali bin abi taleb pass it to abu bakr al sideek and he pass it to all the companions of mohammed until today.
malek689 2 months ago
TO ALL MUSLIM AND NON MUSLIM, HERE IS A VERY INTERESTING SITE TO VISIT. "ISLAM WATCH: THE POPULATION BOMB--WHY ISLAM IS WORLD FASTEST GROWING RELIGION". WARNING TO NON MUSLIM. READ WITH CAUTION--MAY LEAD TO SUICIDE.
TheAbahaziz 2 months ago
@TheAbahaziz Islam is the world fastest growing mental illness. It is a mental illness that turns peaceful people into Islamic terrrorists willing to kill for the sake of Allah.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@christianjihadi islam forbids terrorists and killing innocent people in islam and in all over the world, islam is a peaceful religion and does not want any harm in Christianity and Jew and all other religion
malek689 2 months ago
@malek689 Islam allows for killling innocents by what is written in Quran 5:33. Those who oppose Islam and Muhammed are innocent in God's eyes.
christianjihadi 1 month ago
@christianjihadi allah dosnt allow killing innocents he tells us to kill who try to kill the prophet and to wage war against allah and spread mischief on earth it dosnt say kill with out any reason,theres is no place in heaven for those who kill with out any reason
malek689 1 month ago
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How many Muslims does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None, because Muslims are not allowed to screw in lightbulbs. They aren't even allowed to screw at all, unless it's their wife, in their own bed, and who the fuck would want a Muslim wife anyways?
freepeoplenow 2 months ago
@icxbxy Yes, even in moderate malaysia, they are intolerant toward conversion, example the case of Lina Joy, and most recently, they held a rally to protest against christian preachings.... Why are muslims so insecure? If your faith is the truth then it should withstand the scrutiny of the Free world!
Can I go into saudi arabia and preach the Gospel without the fear of death or imprisonment?
So what is on the other side of your coin?
57epiphany 3 months ago
@57epiphany you just only look for bad and good, all of this altitude neither muslim nor christian are bad. if we are truly searching for the right path we don't need to look for the mistakes of the other and criticized them. instead its up to us weather we are agree for certain belief.
MarrenDeen 2 months ago
@MarrenDeen I would love to just talk just about my Saviour Jesus Christ but unfortuanely there are misquotes about the Bible and I have to clarify.
Please refer back to all my post I have not quoted the koran, but I have asked questions which I have not got the answers.
We can talk about salvation based on our books, but you misquote the Bible and give your own interpretations.
I prefer we each stick to our own books and show the world... which system can provide 100% salvation.
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany my opinion to your suggestion is how we can truly know and find the truth if our belief is truly from God if we do not compare our belief to other religion? I hope that all the users of Youtube have the same intention with me. to share that my belief is truly from God and I feel that you too. by the way can you show me how is salvation base on your belief and books?
MarrenDeen 2 months ago
@MarrenDeen Comparing religion is ok, but when you start calling names like the Bible is a "porn magazine" surely that is nasty and unproductive, if u look at my post I did not critize this lady who converted, because I believe in freedom of choice, but I got involved in this site when ur fellow muslim "peacefulonly" called the Bible porn, That is nasty.
We Christians call our God, Father and we say "God Is Love". We have a Father child relationship, His Love and purpose is clear.
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany Yes you are right! I agree with you. the very best and most important to all is to respect each other. because its up to a person choice. which you believe is true. actually i never read the whole bible. i only watch some youtube debate, post and listen to some christian lecture and bible exposition in my country. i notice some slight difference between each sect. and each one claiming to be from God.
MarrenDeen 2 months ago
@57epiphany do you have youtube channel?
MarrenDeen 2 months ago
@MarrenDeen Salvation, Here is the words of our Lord Jesus Christ : John 3:16
" For God so Loved the world that He gave His only begotten son That whoever Believes in Him shall not perish but Have everlasting Life".
Now that is 100% salvation for beleivers of the messiah Lord Jesus Christ.
Believers of Jesus Christ will read and learn His teachings which will result in right living, man will always sin But with Jesus as ur focus u will do less of it and avoid it.
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany but why John 3:16 is taken out of the Revise Standard Version of the Bible because they (Bible Scholars) learned that this John 3:16 is not in the original version of the bible? pls answer
MarrenDeen 2 months ago
@MarrenDeen Hi, The RSV, does have that verse, this version is written in simple modern day english. The core believe in christianity is found in this verse, if you take it out THEN christanity is just like any other religions, buddhism,hindusim, islam, Which is what man must do to earn god's favour,salvation, with christianity it is what God has done for man's salvation. Others challenge that believe. Bible say God Is Love, This is Powerful! So detractors say Bible is not original, corrupt.
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany yes! very good explanation, but what i mean is the word begotten! and
you are right, because this is the only real different between
Christianity and Islam. another point is the trinity. the only closest
basis for this dogma is to be found in 1 John 5:7 in KJV "For there
are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the
Holy Ghost, and these three are one"
MarrenDeen 2 months ago
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@MarrenDeen Looks like u have agn moved away from the idea of just sticking to ur own book to expound on the virtues of ur book. As far as I am concerned there is just 1 thing to decide, which of the 2 systems can guarantee 100% salvation and I can boldly say That I have 100% salvation because of what Jesus Christ has done, who is my guarantee. There over 2 billion christians, and such these so called 32 "Christian scholars" have not made any dent on our believe, we are lead by Holy Spirit.
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany and it is also taken out of RSV
by thirty two Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by
fifty cooperating Christian denominations as fabrication as
interpolation. RSV 1952
MarrenDeen 2 months ago
@57epiphany ( I WILL TELL YOU THE BIBLE IS FROGERY ) . Only the ones with a "BRAIN" will ask the Question . Why there are so many Versions of the Bibles and they differ in their verses : . Roman Catholic 73 book . . Protestants 66 book .. . Ethiopian 40+ book . Orthodox 84 books . Luke 17:36 is missing from the RSV ..WHY!! . John 5:3 KJV is not in the RSV / NIV /GOD'S Word Translation /Good News .WHY!! . I can go on & on. . May be its about time u question ur self (is the Bible God's word)
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly All versions of the Bible teach the same essential truth from God. There may be some differences in minor points but are the same in the most important truths. The Gospel is the same in all Bible versions. Luke 17:36 is not the overall message of the Gospel. The overall message opf the Bible is to believe in Jesus' the Messiah and son of God, who died for our sins and rose from the dead for our salvation. In this all versions of the Bible agree.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
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57epiphany 2 months ago
@christianjihadi *Its HERESY to equate God to creation as man *Trinity is man-made/has NO basis in Scripture *God is ONE [Exod20:3,Mrk12:29,Quran2:163] *God is NOT man/son [Num23:19] & NEVER seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or Universe "Let there BE.." [Gen ch1,2] *God does NOT need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are NOT born with original sin[Ezek18:20]*Salvation is: Surrender to God[ISLAM] & His MERCY.
Is any1 willing to surrender to GOD[Muslim]now and be saved?
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly It is ignorance to say that God is unlike his creation. The Torah states that God created man in His image and likeness. Allah, the Holy Trinity is a divine mystery hidden in scripture. In the Torah, Genesis 18, it is written that God appeared to Abraham in the form of 3 men. In the Gospel, Jesus commanded His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is not created but the eternal Word of God which is with God from eternity, and is God; John 8:58.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Num 23:19 states that God is not like men who tell lies. Jesus never told a lie but always spoke truth. God commands blood sacrifice in the Torah "for without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins". Jesus came to fullfill the Torah by becoming the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Salvation is found by surrendering to Jesus, Son of God & Saviour. He is the only path to God through which we can be saved. Islam is ignorance and a rejection of God's mercy in Christ..
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly U are unshamed to continue to challenge me without answering my previous questions and preventing/restricting my reply in your website:
Here is another question for u " In the early days of islam did they burn some versions of koran and decided on one version? Where is the Hafsah codex? Did one of the main "memoriser" of the koran die before it was written? Hmmmm.... more questions!
The extra books in the Bible are non-canonised books in your language like a hadith....
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany I have answered all of ur questions & I do not have a web site so no way can I restrict any sort of reply. Sir William Muir, a renowned critic of Islam says this regarding The Quran:
"There is not a single book on earth that has remained in its pristine form as it were revealed some 12 centuries ago, (now 14 centuries) but the Koran."
All over the universe, you will find the same Quran with the same verses. Can U say the same for the bible? NO !!!
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly The modern day Quran is not the original one invented by Muhammed but is revised versdion made by caliph Uthman. He destroyed all differing copies so that now there is only the revised version of Caliph Uthman that is only Arabic Quran is existence.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly The evidence found in the hadiths proves that the Quran has been corrupted. It is not the original one invented by Muhammed. Check out YouTube video "The Original Burn the Quran Day".
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@christianjihadi I have sent U the response video & to 57epiphany as well.
No matter how much the lying chriSATAN missionaries bark, TRUTH(islam) prevails over FALSEHOOD(christianity).
Sir William Muir, a renowned critic of Islam on the Quran:
"There is not a single book on earth that has remained in its pristine form as it were revealed some 12 centuries ago, (now 14 centuries) but the Koran."
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Again I repeat, Did your koran say that the Twaraat and Injel is from God?
If it did why are you saying it is corrupted, I did not say false or fake I say u said corrupted, and the Bible just like koran says that God's words cannot be corrupted and will be protected!
U are contradicting with your god.... you are telling your god u dont know anything...
Did your prophet write the koran? So if it is corrupted, why did your farsighted god not completely reject the Bible as it was?
57epiphany 2 months ago
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57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany Yeah The Torah (& not the Old Testament) & the Injeel (gospel of Jesus) are from God. So show me the "Torah revealed to Moses" and "The gospel of Jesus" and I will certainly believe them. The Quran Confirms the Bible corruption. Read this :
QUR'AN:2: 79 "THEN WOE TO THOSE WHO WRITE THE BOOK WITH THEIR OWN HANDS, AND THEN SAY:"THIS IS FROM ALLAH," TO TRAFFIC WITH IT FOR MISERABLE PRICE!- WOE TO THEM FOR WHAT THEIR HANDS DO WRITE, AND FOR THE GAIN THEY MAKE THEREBY "
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Quran 2:79 only refers to a party of of Medinan Jews(verse 75) who write the book with their own hands. It cannot be refering to all Jews and Christians of the then known world. It is an impossible thing for all Jews and Christians to conspire and alter their Bibles in the same way.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Here is another question for u " In the early days of islam did they burn the original versions of the koran and decided on one version? Where is the Hafsah codex? Did many of the "memoriser/reciters" of the koran die in battle before it was written? Original condition??? Muslims are the first to burn their god's verses, what u think?
Muslims are unable to discuss salvation, hence they pervert the Bible verses.
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany The hadiths give ample evidence that the modern day Quran is not the original one invented by Muhammed. Caliph Uthman was the first to revise the Quran and burn other versions so that only his remained. Check out YouTube video "The Original Burn the Quran Day".
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@christianjihadi I sent U the video response. You are a COWARD. You do not even have the guts to see a small 10 minutes video response. Well U prove how strong the grip of satan is on his brainwashed followers. In any case TRUTH(Islam) always prevails over FALSEHOOD(chriSATANity).
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly U have such an inferority complex... that u will bring up obscure thoughts and outdated views....
U have no salvation and you know that.. as such it is satans plan to attack the system that provides 100% salvation...which through Christ Jesus the messiah. U clowns have no salvation and guess who is waiting for the you guys, with salivating mouth to devour you and with perverted eyes the deceiver himself satan!
It is always christians who bring up this topic salvation, we have IT.
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany Salvation
. How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although they dont believe in Jesus ?
. Doesn't that contradict the claim in the Bible that only way to heaven is through Jesus ? .
. Man .. Give up the PAGAN religion and accept the truth .. the religion of total submission & surrender to the Creator not Creation .. Islam is the religion of Muhammed ,Jesus ,Moses all the way back to Adam peace be upon all of them. .
. Truth has come ,falsehood perishes.
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly The Gospel teaches that the Jewish people as a whole will eventually accept Jesus as their Messiah and Lord, and will be saved as a result. There is a Catholic prophecy that Muslims will also eventually accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, and also be saved. For now, Muslims only submit to Muhammed but not to God. If Muslims truly submitted to God they will become Christians. The Christian faith contains the fullness of Truth. Islam contains 10% truth, 90% falsehood.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@57epiphany Christians say that people go to Heaven ONLY THROUGH JESUS !! yet Paul says in 1 CORINTHIANS 7:8-16 that the unbelieving husband is acceptable to God because he is united with his wife and vice versa, and their pagan children are also acceptable to God. So people can go to heaven without believing in Jesus . How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although they don't believe in Jesus?
that contradicts u who say the only way to heaven is through Jesus?
PeacefulOnly 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly 1 Corinthians 7:8-16 teaches that the Christian faith of a wife can be a sanctifying influence on her unbelieveing husband. The faith of Christian parents can have a sanctifying influence of their unbelieving children. The influence of Christians'' faith can save others through their prayers & godly living so that unbelievrs will eventually be saved by accepting Christ as their Saviour & Lord. All Israel will eventually be saved when they accept Jesus as their Messiah and Lord.
christianjihadi 2 months ago
@PeacefulOnly The Bible says " Dont cast pearls before swines"... they will not appreciate the beauty of the Bible verses, which is clearly exemplified by u, misquoting and providing ur own twisted interpretation.. unlike islam which says kill the kaffir or unbelievers, 1 CORINTHIANS 7:8-16 , says in essence to embrace the unbelieving spouse or children and the believing spouse's blessings will flow through to the family, it does not talk about salvation, and the unbelieving will be believers
57epiphany 2 months ago
@57epiphany Isaiah 45:17 "But Israel will be SAVED by the LORD with an EVERLASTING SALVATION; you will never be put to shame or disgraced, to ages everlasting."
An everlasting salvation was promised by the biblical god to Israel even before Jesus was born. How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is SAVED although they don't believe in Jesus ? !!!! * Doesn't that CONTRADICT the claim in the Bible that the ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN IS THROUGH JESUS !!!
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly The book of Isaiah is Book Of Prophecy, in the old testament, Hence ,".. WILL BE saved...." when the Messiah comes and they believe in Him, Then they are saved..The time will come when all Israel will believe in the Messiah Lord Jesus.. just like any other non-believers, who when they believe are SAVED.. so "will be", is in the future..when the Lord comes...and their salvation is a certainty, when the Believer accepts Jesus died for their sin.
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany MATHEW26:28for this is my blood of the covenant,which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.SO JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS? Mathew19:16 Then someone came to him and said,‘Teacher,what good deed must I do to have eternal life?’ 17And he said to him, ‘Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ SALVATION SAYS JESUS IS TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS,EITHER HE IS LYING OR THE BOOK IS CORRUPT
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly muslims dont use the full verses, Matt 19:16-22, Just like muslims, a rich man came to boast to Jesus that he has followed ALL the commandments, so Jesus said to him sell all ur possesions and follow Him, but alas the rich man could not part with his possesions, which means He treats possessions as god, and the 1st commandent is, " Thou shall have no other gods BUT Me". Hence he cannot have salvation because he cannot keep the commandments, Its shows we Need Jesus
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany WoW What a twist.
"When the young man heard this,he went away sad,because he had great wealth"[Matt19:22]
Only a brainwashed chriSATAN will twist this simple verse to conclude that the man broke the 1st commandment. How low will U go?? Look @ urself & ur materialistic christian brethren. By ur inference, all of U now worship 4 gods. The trinity + ur posessions bcoz even U are not parting with them. If Jesus came to abolish the law,he could have said it in plain words.
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly your quote "-Racism Jesus says to a Greek woman that it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dog.."
When u have time rethink what u wrote, maybe I will assist you, will you give your children's bread to feed your dog? (is muslim anti-dog?) Your retort has gone haywire, wild! For a start that is not what Jesus was illustrating.. but if I clarify, I will agn. be "presenting" a beautiful Bible story to an unappreciative, closed minded person.
57epiphany 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly You like to quote the Bible and twist it to your "agenda", But me the Follower of the Bible response to you what we have learnt from OUR OWN book and you say I am Twisting.How screwed up are u? You have no self-worth, you come into my house and tell me to re-arrange my furniture, What? That is why, Jesus said that He will ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit in us, to continue His work in us. Hence our knowledge is christian God inspired unlike your interpretations!
57epiphany 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly
U make a sweeping statement that christian worship money, which demostrates how much of ur head is in the sand, For the Tsunami in Indonesia my local church raised $1 mil in ONE Sunday! whenever there is a calamity or disaster in any parts of the world christian organisations gather resources to provide assistance and Our Father teaches how to give and How He would response to such a heart.
Stop arguing for argument sake, makes u look childish and trivial
57epiphany 1 month ago
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@57epiphany ~Jesus in the Bible guaranteed Paradise to NON-TRINITARIANS:
. The man asked Jesus"Teacher,WHAT MUST I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?"
. "Love the LORD YOUR GOD with all your heart & with all your soul & with all your strength & with all your mind:and love your NEIGHBOR as your self.Do this & you will LIVE ."Luke 10:27-28
.Notice,that Jesus never spoke about any TRINITY-LIE Concept ,nor did he say , " Accept Jesus as a mediator between him & God to win Eternal life ~
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@57epiphany This is the biblical jesus' teaching:
matth 7 :6
"do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs."
what a bloody racist !! This explains why racism is so prevailing & thriving in the chriSATAN countries. The Islamic Jesus is pure & free from all the evil the filthy bible attributes to him.
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly Matt 7:6 The picture here is of wild dogs and boars tearing their prey into pieces. This is a symbolic picture of those with very high negative views (Just Like u) toward the gospel. These people mock the gospel as indicated by trampling it under foot and even going further in tearing apart the gospel message itself.
PRINCIPLE: There is no need to present the gospel to those with negative views toward Jehovah/Yahweh.. so How did racism come into picture?
pathetic!
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany -Racism : Jesus says do not give what is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine / Matt 7:6
If some one disagrees with U or argues then he is a dog & a pig. No matter how U picture this command of Jesus, it is very offensive & racist. The Jesus as the bible potrays is very much a shady character. He even likened gentiles like U to dogs.
-Racism Jesus says to a Greek woman that it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs / Mark 7:28
PeacefulOnly 1 month ago
@PeacefulOnly Initially, I was disturbed by ur replies, then I realise, "Hey, this person is ignorant, lacks knowledge cause the material he gathers his knowledge from does not teach or is limited in knowledge, and this person is drowning and he is grabbing a straw to survive...how futile!" In my response, it is already indicated it is a symbolic picture, but u choose to 'radicalise', the illustration. That is what islam produces 1 dimensional followers,no scope to think.
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany When the word "SON of God" is mentioned in Bible, it is a metaphorical and not in real reproductive way.
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 In my previous post I said, muslims have a 1 dimensional thought process, for u it connotes reproduction-sex, carnal thinking.Seems u limit ur god's capabilities! Can a person be both a father and son? God is spiritual and is as we know is capable of Anything, as such He can also manifest Himself. The Christian Father God, u know? A person has body, mind and spirit=1,The 3 nature of God is in PERFECT unity.Trinity question agn! and christians have answered it many times.
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany Your own rejected the trinity concept, the Jews.
Now you said it "manifest". Why not Ram among Hindu is a God. The God who manifested Himself as Jesus in Nazrath also had manifested Himself as Ram in India.
Do you acknowledge Ram as God, please give reason for your answer?
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 That is a new twist from you muslims, good one.. ram LOL.... Hey, better still u can find a verse in the Bible to show ram.. just like how u muslims show muhammed in the Bible.. comon go for it... surely u can find a verse! u guys are creative in finding verses to suite ur cause!
Ah.. u the same.. calling the Bible corrupted, yet u quote a corrupted book, it shows u have no self-esteem and morals, that is why u will vote for anything as u have no values!
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany You are trying to hide behind the bush.
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 Oh, by the way... both Jews and Christians have one thing in common they both reject islam!... so do u still vote for Jews, now? as per your previous post!
57epiphany 1 month ago
epiphany Hmm, Actually Jews or Christians, they both are the children of Israeel. They used to follow the Prophets in line. Suddenly, when Jesus the true Prophet of God came they rejected him & remained Jews. While the one who believed in him the wrong way (trinity) were called Christians. So, who's gonna come for rescue & speak the truth about Jesus?
Gospel of John 14:16, John 15:26 & John 16:7
Its the final Prophet Muhammad, who came with the truth.
Plz open ur heart to the universel truth.
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 Have pre-empted u, in my post asking u to show "ram" in the Bible.. but I suppose u are still searching. U say Bible has mistakes, yet u quote a Book that has errors, u have no intergrity or creditablity! Posted previously the "comforter" & "helper" is for the Holy Spirit. All the prophets in the Tawraat and Jesus are jews, and suddenly muhammmed a non jew comes along, HUH! Jesus quotes from the previous book, Did muhammed quote from the previous books? Looks dubious!
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany Of course Lord Ram is not in Bible then why go as far as India & China & preach about Jesus. If Jesus was the manifestation of God, Ram was incarnation of God.
And in last century Rajneesh Osho was God.
Since jews defamed the truth by blaming Mary & Jesus (Sanhedrin 106a:42) to one extreme, the christians to defend Jesus, made him God like, divine & went to other extreme. So God send a non-jew (Deuteronomy 18:18) to speak all the truth for what the J & C r fighting for centuries.
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 Why did u bring up an irrelevant arugement about another religion... that is how muslims argue.. when they find they are trappped they divert to another irrelevant area. What islam is unable to to do is "compete" or compare as apple to apple without claiming corruption of book. U are claiming that urs is the legitimate system based on the Abrahamic covennant... I am not debating with a hindu here! U think we are unable to compare u to other practises and systems?
57epiphany 1 month ago
@allavi231 Here u go again quoting Deut 18:18 now look at Deut 17:5...to understand the term "brethrens"? After that verse it continues to be Jew prophets... In my learning about the Bible my Father is not schizophrenia, for 100 yrs the prophets are jews and with no Bible reason, He changes to non-jew!
muhammed does not even quote from the previous Books to proof his legitimacy,
that is why jews and christians of that day immediately rejected him and from there starts the enemity :(
57epiphany 1 month ago
@allavi231 Please note the quote should read Deut 17:15 (not 17:5) in previous post.
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany Majority of Jews (Jw) 1. Did not accept a Jw Jesus (Js) as a Prophet (Pt). 2. Rejected a Jw Js as a Son of God (SoG). 3. Insults a Jw Js & Mary (Sanhedrin 106a), till this date. Minority of Jw Christians (Cs) 1. Do not accept a Jw Js as a Pt. 2. Accepts a Jw Js to be SoG, Trinity, murder, salvation. 3. Loves a Jw Js. The
common thing among D Jws & Cs is they both deny a Jw Js as a Pt. Still u want a Jw Pt? Is a Jw nation still reliable & trustable, after this chaos? Matthew 21:43.
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 The Bible shows us jews confident of their relationship with God, to the point they are prideful and there is outward show of this religiousity, which u will find that muslims are also trying to imitate, outward show of piety! With that sort of pride, the first christians were jews, means some acceptance. And again they have "rebelled" against God's plan in their rejection of the Messiah Jesus, But the God of Israel is faithful, He will open their eyes in last days
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany Pride is drowning u. Swallow ur pride occasionally, its not fattening. If u r a non-jew christian then I may not continue conversation as Jesus was sent only to the Jews. Matt 15:24, Matt 10:6, Quran 3:49.
But if u r a Jew Christian then I better listen to what Jesus said to ur nation - An evil and adulterous generation Matt 12:39. So learning truth from a teacher, he/she had to be good, pious, trustful, learned etc.
Repentance taught by Jesus Luke 13:3-5
Torah WAS guidence Qu 5:44
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 I am non jewish christian, and from day one I know... God The Father had told the patriach of the "One God Faith"- Abraham, that he will be the father of many nations, "Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification" Rom.4:23-25
muslims twist the Bible process..
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany D only surviving miracle is Quran D final word of God, flawles & errorless. Its an open challenge to all.
& all world holy scriptures has pointed towards D final Pophet Muhammad.
Js was actually Muslim in submission to God’s will, who will be Mm when he returns.
Js greeted his disciples like a Mm, by saying: “Peace be unto you”, when he appeared B4 them after his so-called
‘resurrection’ John 20:19. Mms use D same words to greet, but in Arabic Assalaamu Alaikum.
allavi231 1 week ago
@allavi231 :) :) .. Engaging u, my faith which is already strongly rooted, has gotten so deep that it can NEVER be uprooted, tks. I said previously, that islam is trying to imitate Jewish traditions, ... The phrase "Peace be with you", has its root in Jewish tradition where they say, Shalom...islam is a very bad pirated copy of the Jewish and Christian Faith. I marvel at muslims, how u try to pass off that u are the originators of the "One God Faith".. when u have no prior records!
57epiphany 1 week ago
@57epiphany Who said Islam is a new religion of Muhammad, rather Muhammad is the final prophet of teaching monotheism. From Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ismaeel, Moses, Jesus & Muhammad. Don't you hold all these records then why you looking for an arabic record ???
allavi231 1 week ago
@allavi231 Great... so u now accept our record is uncorruptedor not? Our record says, it was Issac that was sacrificed, the very start ur book is already disputing the facts so! ...and does not ur book say that apparently there is an "original version" with ur god and it is in arabic? We have the records... and I know what my record says.. But u are the one who are changing the records! Ur book say Jesus will return, Hey, again a prophet is coming, I thought muhammmed is the last, What?
57epiphany 1 week ago
@allavi231 Clearly, this forum shows that islam cannot stand on its own, because the Bible is still very much around. As such, muslims have to literally try to "destroy" the Bible by saying it is corrupt etc. The Bible being the True word of God is a huge obstacle to its legitimacy. Notice it is the muslims who mostly quote the Bible to proof their case which they twist to try and fit it to their system! As I said previously, Book for book, islam cannot stand up to the scrutiny.
57epiphany 1 week ago
@57epiphany When I say u got records, I mean tht which tally with Quran only.
Just think about this that Moses taught of One & only God and the later Prophets too so what happened to that message after Jesus came, is it the same ???
Of course not the later christians deviated from that message and associated the God with other two or in other words split God into three, thats where u all are wrong.
To correct the message again God send the final Prophet Muhammad with Quran.
allavi231 1 week ago
@allavi231 Unfortunately, ur mind is 1 faceted.. its u who has perverted what Jesus Christ stand for because of ur 1 dimensional mind ... to put it a simple way... man is made of Body, soul and spirit... I person 3 parts... 1 God, 3 nature/parts... can a man be a father and a son?... if u choose to ignore what christians are saying then dont say our text is corrupted.. its u who has perverted the original record.. and Please dont come and tell me Trinity is not in the Bible, it is!
57epiphany 1 week ago
@57epiphany Oh so u r vry confident on Bible & trinity, OK.
Lets analyse Matt 12:38-40. Jesus said he would be like Jonah. Jonah was alive for three days & 3 nights ( ie 73 hours) in the belly of a whale.
Was Jesus alive for 3 days & 3 nights in the heart of the Earth ???
allavi231 1 week ago
@allavi231 LOL.. Just amazed at ur arrogrance/ manners.. I have responded to ur previous misquotes from the Bible and I have questions which u have ignored and as it is the style of muslims when cornered, move to another topic.. John 2:19, "19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days. 20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?”
See response of the people, muslims same mind
57epiphany 6 days ago
@allavi231 I am not sure u understand english, as I have said previouly, engaging u have shown me That the Bible is the Truth.
So, YES I am very confident about the Bible, because the Bible is written with details that the Father has provided so that we can have clear understanding of Him and His Will.
Hey, why dont u ask, why Jesus did not precisely prophecied the hr, min, sec.? U quote the Bible without understanding its style and traditions of the day. only muslims contradict
57epiphany 6 days ago
@allavi231 The koran acknowledges the Torah and Injeel, Let use a simple difference Who raised Moses, pharoah's daugther or pharoah's wife?The Bible say it was the daugther. Now, in this simple situation If there is difference, How come there is difference? since this is from God. My Point, the koran acknowledges the Bible BUT from the beginning the Jewish and Christian Faith Never acknowledge koran, as the Christian are not expecting another prophet and the Jews looking for a Messiah
57epiphany 6 days ago
@57epiphany Politely asking you once again,
WAS JESUS DEAD OR ALIVE IN THE TOMB FOR THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS, AS JONAS ???
Matthew 12:38-40
allavi231 6 days ago
@allavi231 Polite? U are demanding and shouting! This event of Jonah was recorded in the old Testament, Book of Jonah. Yes, Jonah died and there are lessons from this event, he died and was resurrected. Jonah 2:2 ".. Out of the belly of hell(sheol) cried I, and thou heardest my voice".. (sheol as in grave).. 5 "The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me around about, the weeds were wrapped about my head"... showing he drowned... (his body died)
57epiphany 4 days ago
@57epiphany Do dead men pray ???
allavi231 4 days ago
@allavi231 First, u have not answered my questions and u are arguementative, so when a person dies, is he completely eradicated that there is nothing left, vanished or he has a soul? When drowning does it takes place instantly or is he in the water a little before he drowned? During that moment could he have reached out to God, knowing very well that His God is faithfull? As I said previously,u are 1 dimentional, that's why Jesus said he will send the Holy Spirit into us to help us.
57epiphany 3 days ago
@57epiphany It is an accepted fact in Christian commentaries on the book of Jonah in the Bible that Jonah was kept miraculously alive during the time that he was in the stomach of the fish in the sea. At no time throughout his ordeal did he die in the fish and so came ashore as much alive as he was when he was first thrown into the sea. If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold!
allavi231 2 days ago
@allavi231 I am christian and that is not an accepted fact, and I showed u some verses He died..U asked me a question and I answered u based on my scripture, and here is a bonus, The meaning of the sign of Jonah.. The religious leaders of that time, even after Jesus showed them many miracles b4, He had just raised Lazurus after being dead for 4 days, and they agn asking for sign., this prophesy after 2000 yrs still applies, to the muslims! U only want to discredit the ressurrection.
57epiphany 2 days ago
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57epiphany 2 days ago
@57epiphany And the blame of twisting is on us.
Jonah was not dead & thats the miracle.
So was Jesus not murdered or killed, it only appeared to be.
Even on Jesus 2nd return to earth towards Muslims, the Christians will deny him on his face his own history.
So no big deal denying now.
Satan has mislead Christians into believing trinity & Jesus murder.
allavi231 2 days ago
@allavi231 With regard to time, ur 20th century view of time is not what took place 2000 yrs ago! The day starts a 6 pm in the evening, and their day even if partial is said as 1 day, And Bible record shows that they express, time by saying, eg., Moses fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, Job's friend sat with him for 7 days and 7 nights, Jonah in the fish for for 3 days and 3 nights.. and Jesus was betrayed on Thursday evening His sacrifice could be considered from that point on...
57epiphany 4 days ago
@allavi231 The Bible is written, not based on just a "couple" of verses to highlight an event or person like the koran.The Bible is filled with the coming of the Messiah-Jesus Christ, unlike ur koran where there are about only 4 chapters worth of material on the Greatest Prophet of all time, Jesus Christ. U want to challenge the validity of the Bible based on ur limited or lack of understanding of the practises and style of writing of Jews of that day. So when will u answer me?
57epiphany 4 days ago
@57epiphany its 72 hours for 3 days & 3 nights.
allavi231 1 week ago
@allavi231 There are many other parts of the koran which does not tally with the Bible like the Bible says it is Isacc that Abraham sacrificed but koran says no ismael, Bible says Jesus Christ was cruxcified but koran says no he wasnt etc.. and there many more.. hence it not only this isssue about the Trinity, so basically u see, muhammed created another system.. which he pirated from the Jewish and Christian faith. He was trying to reinvent the wheel! God prepared us for the Messiah
57epiphany 1 week ago
@57epiphany Js went a little further, & fell on his face, & prayed Matt 26:39 What is his prayer to D Lord? D verse continues: “...saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.”
A Muslim is one who has submitted to D will of Allah. Js subdues his wishes & submits himself to D will of Allah. In other words, Js declares his Islam, submission, at that moment. No witness for curifixion Mark 14:50: & they all forsook him, & fled.
allavi231 1 week ago
@allavi231 U said no witness to the cruxification, lets try this John 19 25-27, " Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby.." And here, Matt 27:54-56, Luke 23:49, Mark 15:39, & others, U quote the verses using a few words to twist the outcome and everytime we christians correct u, u come with another adulteration, surely we are different
57epiphany 1 week ago
@57epiphany Narrated Abu Huraira Radiallahu anhu :Allah's Apostle Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said, "The Hour ( Doomsday ) will not be established until the son of Mary (Isa Alihi Salam) descends amongst you ( Muslims ) as a just ruler, he will break the cross...
allavi231 1 week ago
@allavi231 U can narrate anything, Christianity without the Cross or Jesus becomes like any other religion... not new... Therefore the motive to destroy the Cross.. The very foundation of the Christian Salvation is the Cross... Whoever u claim will come to destroy the cross is Surely Not my Saviour Jesus Christ... I know this much, satan surely despises/hates the Cross because it saves soul! I asked u before, who makes up the trinity based on the koran? What do a Messiah do?
57epiphany 1 week ago
@allavi231 U quote Matt 26:39, so according to u, quote .. " Js subdues his wishes & submits himself to D will of Allah".
So tell us what is God's will there and what was Jesus's wish, what is this cup Jesus is talking about? (I know what my Bible says.)
Prior to this are u telling me Jesus lead a life which did not conform to the will of God? ur quote.."In other words, Js declares his Islam, submission, at that moment"..
Jesus is the Messiah.. What does a Messiah do? Why so special?
57epiphany 1 week ago
@57epiphany Moses atonement was not accepted as ppl were punished with plague. Exo 32:35. O people of the book! Indeed Our Messenger has come to u making clear to u most of what u hid of the Bk and forgiving much; Indeed, there has come to u a light and a clear Bk from God. Quran 5:15
And We sent after them in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, We gave him D Gospel in which was guidance & light, & verifying what was before it of Torah & a guidance & an admonition for those who guard. Qu 5:46
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 "Moses atonement was not accepted", Did Bible say it was accepted? The Bible records that he offerered & Jesus also has that characteristic...and the Light... Moses shone as light when he met God and Jesus shone On the Mt. of Transfiguration... a testament of meeting God & there are witnesses who saw the Glory of God shining on them. These are testaments that they are bringing God's convenant to people. So much of holes in the account of koran..no witnesses!
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany When Js returns he will definitely join us Muslims. We whole heartedly will welcome him, even at the cost of our lives.
Js will offer prayers in Masjid (mosque) at Damascus with, then the leader of Muslims Imam Muhammad al Mahdi. & they will fight with Dajjal.
allavi231 1 week ago
@allavi231 I have shown u in previous post the quotes u twisted and showed u the Bible respond to ur quotes and again u quote the Bible without looking at other verses!
I have the Old Testament to tell me all I want to know abt. the Father's plan for Salvation, Whatever u try to quote from the koran is pointless becos it is a twisted imitation of Tawrat and Injeel with less details eg. Abraham and Isaac, Is the Torah a jewish Holy Book? to ur Abraham, Noah question! Who is Trinity?
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Quran 49:13
The Lord your God in One. Deu 6:4
There is none worthy of worship except Allah,? they used to show arrogance Quran 37:35
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 Here is quote from Lord Jesus Christ, John 14 25-26,
"25 These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you"...
How much has muhammed brought things in remembrance of Saviour Jesus Christ?
There is only about 4 chapters worth of material On Jesus Christ in the koran, do u think that is it?
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany For a sincere faithful intelligent believer four words are enough " Jesus not a God ". Since 2000 years after Jesus, no one sopke about him? Can you tell me who the "Holy Spirit" is? Or are we still waiting for it? Remember trinity concept is alien to all previous Prophets, like Noah, Abraham, Moses, even Jesus and the final Prophet Muhammad who came 600 years after Jesus, conforming about One & only God and Jesus was his Prophet.
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 Great, the usual muslim argument, make up stuff from the Bible to try to legitimise ur "system" and when we christians show u That Jesus is God and the Trinity, u say it is corrupted. U have not answered me, are u quoting a corrupted Book? Looks like u need the Bible, but christians dont need the koran... we have the original Truth.
Surely, u cannot see the Trinity in the Bible because it would destroy ur koran claims, ur imams will only show the verses twisted by them!
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany The (D) Bible is like a torn pieces of a map, to a treasure (salvation). D Cs has arranged it wrongly & made up Trinity. We Muslims (M) solved that puzzle & rearranged it to show u D truth. If I quote a verse from Quran & u believe it then u r a M but u don't so v have to take the reference of D Book u believe in. Though v knew its not in original form. D other religions were involved to prove that if u have a Son of God, y not others can had God Himself, in Ram, Rajneesh Osho etc?
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 When u first engaged me, I have already told you, the type of salvation that u are talking, is what generally all religions including the Old covenant of which islam is a pathetic imitation says, acknowledge the god, follow the laws, lead a clean life and according to u, sincerely ask for forgiveness,(is there any other way to ask for forgiveness?)Then MAYBE, u MIGHT, HOPEFULLY u have covered all the sins u made by confessing every sec., u MAY have salvation.. Nothing New!
57epiphany 1 month ago
@allavi231 There is a saying," Imitation is the best form of flattery",islam is surely imitating the Bible, with catastrophic result! When muslims say things like the Bible is "arranged wrongly",they are actually trying to cover up the Flaws in the koran, as is there order in the koran? When, a muslim say something negative abt. the Bible u look at their book and u see that Flaw clearly in their book. They know the koran made an error recognisng the Gospels, now they say not original
57epiphany 1 month ago
@57epiphany The very basic foundation of monotheism (taught by Jew Pts) is being destroyed by u & others Deu 5:7-9. Mark 12:29. Mathew 5:17-20. Quran 114:1-4. Q 3:64. Q 13:7. Deu 17:15 describes appointing of a worldly king by people & not Pt (G's appointed). "Like Moses". Was Js like Moses? I mean their birth, death, migration, were accepted by people as a pt? Were Noah, Abraham etc Jews? Is Prophethood a copyright of Jws Or have u patented it?
D theme of Quran is very much like of Jw Pts.
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 Was Jesus like Moses? beside being a jew, In Exodus 32:30-23, Moses offerered himself as atonement for the sins of the people... Jesus has described himself as shepherd...John 10:10-15 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have [it] more abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.."
Moses for a time was a shepherd, here is a symbolic similarity.
57epiphany 1 month ago
@allavi231 Why jewish lineage, they are the group of people where their lineage has been recorded from Adam that practised and applied the "One God Faith". That is why suddenly ur mumahmed turned up without any "pedigree" in relation to this one God practise as extremely out of character for the True One God. After Abraham is there a record of what his lineage was practising? I am sure u have a "clever" answer!
57epiphany 1 month ago 3
@57epiphany Thanks for D compliment. Abraham Ab had 2 sons, Galatians 4:22 Ismaeel il & Isaac Ic. Ab built Kaaba, the house of God & settled Il there. Arabs D decendent of il never went astray for a vry long time but just before Pt Muhammad whereas the decendents of Ic mislead so much so tht 100s of Pts were sent there. So again u r looking for a new way of salvation, right? Just like the Jews who within 40 days & nights made a golden calf, I mean sort of. Gal 3:8-9. Jeremiah 13. FYI Matt 5:17.
allavi231 1 month ago
@allavi231 LOL it was not a compliment & as with everything else, u misread. Your answer is surely not clever at ALL! Already asked u where are ur records of that time? Ur twisted record comes 1000 yrs after the fact! The original record, Genesis, does not show that Abraham travelled to mecca to build a stone structure! Twisted becos the original record tell us it is Abraham and Isacc, & recorded close to the event, not 1000yrs later. Where is the record from Abraham to muhammed?
57epiphany 1 month ago
@allavi231 Again u twist, I am not looking for a new salvation... The New Salvation is HERE AND throughtout the Old Tetstament God has told us, He will send The Messiah and explained that process. Isnt there the messiah in ur book? Does it not explain what it does? I am amazed at ur BOLD statement that decendents of Ishmael "never went astray", How arrogrant! Based on which scripture, this assumption? Where is the record that they were "holy"! Man till the end of time, is imperfect!
57epiphany 1 month ago
@allavi231 Who does the koran say is the Trinity? Or who makes up the Trinity?
57epiphany 1 month ago