@Squishysforbreakfast those are completely different than a .22LR they have higher velocities but the grain weight of the bullet is ALOT less... if your looking for a cheap alternative but GREAT small cal., go with the new 17 Hornet from hornady, heavier bullet, but uses the same casing design as its older counterpart the 22Hornet, the just angled the neck on the casing more at about 25 degrees, and has more ass to it than a .17HMR will also work for coyotes as well
@Squishysforbreakfast dont get me wrong a 17HMR works great for critters, and fox... a coyote if you can place a good shot, headshot, vitals at closer ranges, but if the yote is 50+ yards out and its been wet, and the yotes fur is wet, more highly than not since the pelt is denser due to the fur being wet, you will either get no penetration, or very little causing injury to the yote rather than humanely putting it down
Tumbling before the gel or in mid air is do to an improper twist rate for the weight of bullet, a worn out barrel, or a couple other factors, and is generally not desired. Look at other .22LR ammo and most tumbles. The only exception really are non fragmenting hollow points since the front expands and folds back over the front, which increases the weight of the front of bullet, and makes it not want to tumble as much.
The real reason a bullet tumbles in the gel or flesh is that the bullet is slowed down over a period of time. The front end of the bullet is lighter versus the heavier back end. On decel the heavy back end has more energy and wants to be where the front of the bullet is. A shorter bullet is more unstable and will tumble better versus a longer bullet in the same caliber, which is why it happens more with 22 caliber bullets of various weights and power. Power has nothing to do with bullet tumble.
@JUNAID187 22 dont tumble..thats just a myth...If your talking about a 223 bullet then yea, they tumble but not a 22LR bullet because its made out of lead and doesnt have a copper jacket so when the bullet hit something it breaks up to pieces
@HistoryHmoobGuy I like how you can watch a video that shows a tumbling bullet, then say they don't tumble. Nothing like telling reality to piss off to start a conversation.
@aluisious thats not tumbling !, the bullet just went in the wrong direction.....tumbling is when the bullet is still in flight but flips as it travels
@Chillsies MAN, FORGET ALL YOU FOOLS WHO THINK THIS IS A BULLET TUMBLING !... Look at it !, it clearly just went in a different direction because it was too low powered.
Tumbling is when a bullet penetrate something and because of its speed, weight, length, structure or deformity on impact, the bullet itself to loses control and spins out of its original path.
@HistoryHmoobGuy You are dumb. The there is no denying the .223 tumbles it is the crown and glory of the round. Do you know what gives the round it's stability? Speed. That's why whenever the bullet hits flesh it tumbles. Flesh is thicker than air thus causing it to flip over or tumble. You cannot deny that it tumbled that is like denying 2+2=4. Honestly I can't tell if you are trolling or just stupid look at 00:15
@HistoryHmoobGuy Plus I just read your original comment "Tumbling is a bullet that flips as it travels" in air? Do you understand how inaccurate that would be? Honestly do you even OWN a gun?
@Chillsies Agree. It does tumble. Look at 0:15 and pause. it changes direction because it flips. Was HHG just trying to get more hits for the video? Because otherwise he's a tool.
@BrassFetcher But if your using hollow points then a faster twist will improve lethality as the greater centrifugal force on the bullet aids in expansion.
@BrassFetcher ehh tumbling does not creat better lethality. if your shooting a well desgined round tumbling will stop expansion and exit wound size decreasing hydrolic shock and loss of blood significantly. maybe in a round as small as a .22 tumbling can be effective but on something like a 9mm or larger its the enemy of a well designed round.
fuck that...i would hate to be shot by a 22...that tumbling action will ruin your day....they cause insane damage inside the human body. There is a reason the CIA and KGB have manuals teaching the effectiveness of a 22.
WOW, imagine that bullet doing that inside you. That is a much bigger wound cavity then most people think. That tumble would be devistating to the tissues around it.
@thelegendbullet937 Yeah, I saw that. Without a faster-than-standard twist barrel, that's pretty much what you get, as the long 60 grain bullets at low velocity are fairly unstable.
You all miss the point. It did tumble upon entry but it dumped all it's energy into the medium instead of passing through. This is a sucessful round.
supressorgrid 1 month ago
.204 Ruger FMJ anybody?
mikeb1444 1 month ago
great to see a bullet tumbling and then to read people saying it didn't tumble... what were you looking at?
RogePucela 1 month ago
@RogePucela When most people refer to tumble, they mean prior to entering the target. If you see oblong holes in paper, the bullet tumbled.
devcon67 1 month ago
How deep is the penetration of this round in this test?
928sniper 2 months ago
Was that from a handgun or rifle?
smartguy104 3 months ago
Is there any plans for the .17 HMR or other .17 calibers?
Squishysforbreakfast 3 months ago
@Squishysforbreakfast those are completely different than a .22LR they have higher velocities but the grain weight of the bullet is ALOT less... if your looking for a cheap alternative but GREAT small cal., go with the new 17 Hornet from hornady, heavier bullet, but uses the same casing design as its older counterpart the 22Hornet, the just angled the neck on the casing more at about 25 degrees, and has more ass to it than a .17HMR will also work for coyotes as well
1gamoguy 2 months ago
@Squishysforbreakfast dont get me wrong a 17HMR works great for critters, and fox... a coyote if you can place a good shot, headshot, vitals at closer ranges, but if the yote is 50+ yards out and its been wet, and the yotes fur is wet, more highly than not since the pelt is denser due to the fur being wet, you will either get no penetration, or very little causing injury to the yote rather than humanely putting it down
1gamoguy 2 months ago
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BrassFetcher 3 months ago 22
Tumbling before the gel or in mid air is do to an improper twist rate for the weight of bullet, a worn out barrel, or a couple other factors, and is generally not desired. Look at other .22LR ammo and most tumbles. The only exception really are non fragmenting hollow points since the front expands and folds back over the front, which increases the weight of the front of bullet, and makes it not want to tumble as much.
Butterstoo 4 months ago
The real reason a bullet tumbles in the gel or flesh is that the bullet is slowed down over a period of time. The front end of the bullet is lighter versus the heavier back end. On decel the heavy back end has more energy and wants to be where the front of the bullet is. A shorter bullet is more unstable and will tumble better versus a longer bullet in the same caliber, which is why it happens more with 22 caliber bullets of various weights and power. Power has nothing to do with bullet tumble.
Butterstoo 4 months ago
that tumble made me cringe
ithpally 4 months ago
I like the bubbles that bounce around. They almost disappear but then come back.
Fyghaxnav 4 months ago
Was this out of a rifle or handgun?
Tezcatlepocatl 4 months ago
probably a stupid question but is a .22 more lethal than a 9mm because of this stumbling effect?
JUNAID187 4 months ago
@JUNAID187 22 dont tumble..thats just a myth...If your talking about a 223 bullet then yea, they tumble but not a 22LR bullet because its made out of lead and doesnt have a copper jacket so when the bullet hit something it breaks up to pieces
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy The other people who commented said so and some 22LR are copper.
JUNAID187 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy Then what was that thing tumbling in the video
tfoshohoe 4 months ago
@tfoshohoe its a 22, but it tumble because the slug is too long and have too little power
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy I like how you can watch a video that shows a tumbling bullet, then say they don't tumble. Nothing like telling reality to piss off to start a conversation.
aluisious 4 months ago
@aluisious thats not tumbling !, the bullet just went in the wrong direction.....tumbling is when the bullet is still in flight but flips as it travels
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy It tumbled in the gel.
aluisious 4 months ago
@aluisious NO !, it just wants to go in a different direction because the slug is too long and too low powered !
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy What do you call the motion of the bullet changing direction, then?
aluisious 4 months ago
@aluisious its called changing direction ! LOL
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago 2
@HistoryHmoobGuy wrong
TMiller556 3 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy It actually did tumble, if you watch the bullet it flips ass end over then back over again.
Chillsies 2 months ago
@Chillsies MAN, FORGET ALL YOU FOOLS WHO THINK THIS IS A BULLET TUMBLING !... Look at it !, it clearly just went in a different direction because it was too low powered.
Tumbling is when a bullet penetrate something and because of its speed, weight, length, structure or deformity on impact, the bullet itself to loses control and spins out of its original path.
HistoryHmoobGuy 2 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy You are dumb. The there is no denying the .223 tumbles it is the crown and glory of the round. Do you know what gives the round it's stability? Speed. That's why whenever the bullet hits flesh it tumbles. Flesh is thicker than air thus causing it to flip over or tumble. You cannot deny that it tumbled that is like denying 2+2=4. Honestly I can't tell if you are trolling or just stupid look at 00:15
Chillsies 1 month ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy Plus I just read your original comment "Tumbling is a bullet that flips as it travels" in air? Do you understand how inaccurate that would be? Honestly do you even OWN a gun?
Chillsies 1 month ago
@Chillsies Agree. It does tumble. Look at 0:15 and pause. it changes direction because it flips. Was HHG just trying to get more hits for the video? Because otherwise he's a tool.
cuvtixo 2 months ago
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dbmjr1 5 months ago
That depends on whether or not you want to hurt the target ...
Slower twist rate = less stable projectile = earlier tumbling/greater lethality.
BrassFetcher 5 months ago 5
@BrassFetcher But if your using hollow points then a faster twist will improve lethality as the greater centrifugal force on the bullet aids in expansion.
RemFireball 5 months ago
@BrassFetcher interesting, so...faster twist rate = more stable projectile at higher velocity = fragmentation/greater lethality also? right?
maxwell0700 1 month ago
@BrassFetcher ehh tumbling does not creat better lethality. if your shooting a well desgined round tumbling will stop expansion and exit wound size decreasing hydrolic shock and loss of blood significantly. maybe in a round as small as a .22 tumbling can be effective but on something like a 9mm or larger its the enemy of a well designed round.
bobwatters 4 days ago
0:14 key holing action going on there, different twist rate needed?
MrROTTENJUGGALO 5 months ago
fuck that...i would hate to be shot by a 22...that tumbling action will ruin your day....they cause insane damage inside the human body. There is a reason the CIA and KGB have manuals teaching the effectiveness of a 22.
SWABurBORE 5 months ago
@SWABurBORE
this is why i include a .22 handgun and a .22 longrifle in my survival kit
pengunzrule9 4 months ago
WOW, imagine that bullet doing that inside you. That is a much bigger wound cavity then most people think. That tumble would be devistating to the tissues around it.
duane2072 5 months ago
LOL fail.
5512unknown 5 months ago
What firearm was used?
Migs4000 6 months ago
@Migs4000 why would it matter?
Montyfiable 6 months ago
@Migs4000
It wouldn't. It's a good thing barrel length does not effect bullet performance.
Migs4000 5 months ago
looks like it was key holing
Choncho203 6 months ago
@Choncho203 It didn't "keyhole" . a round key holes If it tumbles before hitting the target.
S1lverwing 6 months ago
@S1lverwing
look at how it impacts the gel, its slightly crooked... thats keyholing
Choncho203 6 months ago
Did anyone else notice that it was beginning to tumble before it even hit the jell? The bullet entered slightly on an angle lol.
thelegendbullet937 6 months ago
@thelegendbullet937 Yeah, I saw that. Without a faster-than-standard twist barrel, that's pretty much what you get, as the long 60 grain bullets at low velocity are fairly unstable.
AreThereNoMoreNames 6 months ago
@AreThereNoMoreNames i hear they get pretty good accuracy though
907mountainman 6 months ago
@thelegendbullet937 it doesn't have the velocity necessary to keep it stable with it's weight.
flamedrag18 5 months ago
Very cool. I was curious about this ammo after seeing it at my local store.
drumenigma 6 months ago
what did you shoot it out of?
isaazman123 7 months ago
wow it tumbles!
isaazman123 7 months ago