Okay. The Bible is wrong. No scripture in the Bible says anything about the Trinity. That includes Matthew. I am a Christian, don't get me wrong with the first line I wrote, but no disciple or apostle baptised anybody in Father, Son, Holy Ghost. It's titles of One God, Jesus Christ.
He said jesus left off h\is divine progatiives while on earth..............HOW CAN JESUS BE GOD IF HE LEFT OF HIS GODNESS. That makes him a man.....THIS GUYS A CLOWN
First this guy is not a Dr. after he was exposed he removed that title from his website. do a search on mokhan247 here on youtube and you will see how he and his brother love to lie every chance they have. He claims he debated many muslims at universities, we still asking him to tell us who he debated but he stands silent.
He tries to explain the trinity. Jesus didn't do his own will or know the hour...why? Caner says he "limited" himself. Okay. Then why did he do miracles? Caners will probably say "because he was God".
So at times he chose not to limit himself and at other times he chose to limit himself? Lol.
Let me give you another explanation. He performed miracles and gave revelation correct? But he didn't know the hour or do his own will. Sounds like a prophet to me!
Evangelical christians want women barefoot pregnant in their kitchen waiting their husbands everyday at home. Such a modern christianity that is.
Turkey is a secular democracy. Women has more phd degree in universities in Turkey than America. European Union Laws are above turkish laws. There are millions of agnostic & atheist people in Turkey
Huh? Barefoot pregnant wives - where do you get this silliness? Your references to Turkey are OK, but remember Evangelical Christians believe that the world should be told the Good News of Jesus. Yes there are some silly people who believe women should be subservient. I'm sure there are some of those in Turkey too.
stop it.insulting people or forcing them to believe in a religion is not the right thing to do. when god send his word to some one is because that person is going to accepted it.he have a plan 4 each one of us.
One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. All of you do not have to believe any of this now--God has given you that choice. But one day, rest assured you WILL know the truth and confess before our wonderful God that he is GOD!
@crystalfw Your "choice" huh? And you got the from the Bible where? Oh, what do you say to the FACT that Caner is a known liar that embelished his "testimony"? Just curious.
Christianity is peacefull (where do you get evil from?)because you were taught that? Have you researched for yourself? We are encourged to discover the truth (Islam,Hindu,Buddist,etc). Have you ever read the bible? We are called to love&pray for our enemy's. How about you?
@Kite207 your an idiot. Just another example of someone speaking of something that they hear on tv. Let me guess, you have never been there, you are one of those pussy's that wont serve your country either. Its above you! I know, just enjoy your freedom while those guys are dieing for you so you can say something that stupid!
The heart of the Cross is a God-to-God contract of GIFTING, because Father Son and Spirit Each Love Each other. Three Co-Infinite Gods of Identical Nature. So it works juridically, since Co-Equal Nature (Son, a title, not a begetting) Adds Humanity to Himself, and in that Humanity, pays. Easy to understand.
The amount of people or who believed does not make something true there could be a billion deluded people that claim they have the truth but have strayed from it. So dont give me this B.S. about this person that person or millions of people believe it.
Still avoiding any explanation about what great religion you hold dear, I think your scared that some1 might attack your beliefs like you attack Christ, but hey it's about the most logically thing you have done. As some people can't stand the fact people think what they believe is wrong, but I can...millions don't beleive just like you Jesus was God
But I believe Christ has wide enough shoulder for any doubters, haters or just plain stubborn people. It's on your back if you accept or reject Jesus. As for me having a shallow understanding of my faith and about my God, that is cheap as I have probably spent more time looking at nearly every religion worldwide to confirm Christinity uniqueness, what have you done to confirm you beliefs?
of course you have to interpret these quotes but if your trying to say that jesus is God then these dont help unless you make something up like God was his spirit and then the flesh is saying that its not good or something like that.
For every 1 liner you hold so dear, there is another 20 lines how Jesus is God, all bar Judas and John died as a martyr for early Christianity, all refusing to let Jesus be called anything but God incarnate...your telling me that these men who spent just over 3 years with Christ on earth, would go so willingly to their death, because Jesus made a few quote that you say are firm evidence against His divinity. News flash they didn't doubt, only 'logical' people like you do!
Yes Christianity is a religion not as some others would claim a relationship with God because any religion seeks to make a relationship with God. All the semitic religions anyway.
What religion are you anyway? Bet your another Tom Cruise science babbler. By your own self righteousness you have missed the whole point of Christianity, grouping it with other religions that also miss the point of God ultimate plan for mankind through Christ.
Man can't think like God, as soon as you understand this, you can live by faith and not by mankind's so-called wisdom and logic...?
Thanks be to God that Dr. Caner has spoken to the Muslim faithful. I pray that some may be saved by faith in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, the one true God. Thank you Dr. Caner, for preaching Christ; may those who dwell in darkness see our Great Light.
your following a false idea of God that he is triune and that he incarnated himself into a human but dont worry God will show you the error of your ways.
Because people like to divide and start new denominations because everyone wants to be a leader...you have secret agenda and disputes between two group of believers and they seperate and become two part of the same Holy Church. You only have to look at the jewish faith to see how, the diciples who were jews moved forward with God to start the Christian faith. Which open the salvation of God to all people Jew and gentle.
Also why must God sacrifice something pure to save the guilty. Did he not forgive the people by his own power of forgiveness rather than sacrifice something pure to cancel out the faults of people that were already placed in human beings by God. God created humans with fault to try to test them is this not true.
A price was set by God for sin, you could say: Why does God keep the Devil around if he could just get rid of him? Well he does through his mercy, plus he plays a vital part in Gods plan for mankind. We all have a choice and side to take, there is no sitting on the fence. Freewill is the gift God gave us, a frewill to believe in His scarifice or reject it.
Why then do people inheret sin and become guilty when they had nothing to do with their ancestors guilt or sin when they are born. So your telling me that babies who have no idea of the sacrifice or of God are going to hell because they are cursed with sin. Your gonna say well God wont judge them because they didnt know but this is straying from the Theological teaching which means whoever has sin shall die.
As for God bot being able to what you claim, why not!? The only thing God can't do is create a perfect replica of Himself, but He could simply create a human body that had his divine pure spirit and also hold back from giving that being, certain knowledge for whatever reason he sees nesscessary. As humans we block memories, so we can get jobs that need to be done, done. Why can't God?
Ok lets just say that he did make a man that has his spirit making that man God. Then why does that same God-man talk to God which is himself like he is his lower or that he cant do anything by himself. Is God lying? Of course this is impossbile God does not lie or deceive human beings. Now your gonna say well Jesus is Man and God well then i guess Jesus prays to himself which is his own spirit and he prays to the father.
The gift God showed through Jesus is that, even because He didn't have to, he would pay the price He Himself had put on our sin debt. To be scarificed for mankind God showed us that, even though we might have to do something it is in our better intrests to do it.
The fault you talk about, come from sin the devil and our own freewill, that is God given...NOT GOD CREATED...human act to create their own fates
Ok so God gave freewill but he made that so we recognize God by ourselves and he also made weaknesses in us also for that purpose. So why is man so evil then if God is responsible for this and Man is constantly being told how sinful and away from God he is although that is what God intended so we turn to God but not through a sacrifice or blood but through faith and action. Not just accept and then thats it like with most Christians.
We are not saved by ours works, but by the scarifice of Jesus Christ. If you look at the whole picture you see that God has divine insight above anything we could ever imagine. He planned to create men, allow mans fall in to sin and to allow the 'Prince of this world' the devil to have the ability to tempt and sway us away from God divine truth, love and light
We are also not saved by faith alone, faith without works is dead. There are so many Christians who believe that all they must do in this world is to accept Jesus as lord and savior (although he wasnt God and that there is no other worthy lord besides God) and then thats it they go to heaven no matter what. This is a very dangerous belief because it gives no incentive to do good in this life.
I get the kinda of feeling from you replies that you are a sedo-skeptic about Christainity, not a skeptic...let me explain.
A skeptic is someone who has their doubts about certain things, but is willing to change due to new facts and opinions...a sedo skeptic is someone that has already made their mind up about a subject...and would not change their opinion regardless the evidence.
i guess your a sedo-skeptic too from what you have described because originally i meant to disprove the trinity because it is not true but despite the evidence from scripture you still wont change regardless of the evidence. Our posting has led into other subjects.
God can only ever be good, this doesn't mean that evil can't come from good. God created the Devil it was his freewill and own actions that created his evil downfall.
Just as God in the Bible uses evil for His owns purposes of good ie: Joseph, Lot, Moses and more importantly Jesus etc...The Devil tries to use Good to create evil. But ultimately God decide who is blameless with Hos divine wisdom
i dont know what you are trying to argue here but all i can tell you is Jesus was not God and that original sin is not true because it takes the responsibility of your own sin and puts it to someone else it also makes a man guilty of sin by just inhereting it. Let me ask you a question,Did you inheret your fathers sins?
No one inherits sin, the age we lose our innocence, that is, when we fully understand the consequences of are actions as being right or wrong, sin rest on our shoulders, this depends on the person, God only knows when we are reach this age.
It remains that sin exists, and continues because mankind continues to sin. It's like a ball of fluff that everyone adds to, we all sin and we all add to the overall sin of mankind, but no but Jesus took an inheritance of someone else's sin.
Well your still saying we are born sinful so if you are a baby and you died you would go to hell. You would also go to hell if you didnt know jesus in this life. What kind of justice is that? God sure has no mercy on you if you dont accept is condition. So Christianitys God has a conditional love not unconditional.
You say there is no where in the Bible were the Trinity is mentioned and in part you are correct, the word Trinity comes after the Bible was collated, but the fact remains the three parts, Father, Son and Spirit, exist in the Bible no matter how hard you try to say they have no relation. Look at it as Gods long day, God the Father is the morning, God the Son the afternoon and the Spirit is the evening, the evening is human days we live in now.
Ok it does but its illogical no matter how you explain it in physical terms and bible points out its false according to what Jesus says like i said before,"Jesus says my father is greater than all, Go to my God and your God" I see and i judge not by my will but by the will of my father.
Of course Jesus would refer to the God in Heaven as greater then all, because the God that He is in heaven is not limited to the human factors and agendas that Jesus was sent to the Earth to fulfil. If you read the bible you find many references to God being the potter and we are his clay, put simply does God have the right to make himself clay to fulfil His plan..Yes. Do we have the right to question Him..no!
Well then that would make jesus not God if he was weaker than God. He could not logically be equal to God. Its always good to question because if you follow blindly it will lead you far away from the truth. So it is our God-given right to question.
Look at Thomas: After he touch the risen Christ he said 'My Lord and my God'...Jesus didn't say 'Stop I am not your God' did He? If he had arguements about God talking to Himself would hold but He allowed the diciples to call Him God after His death because that is what He was...The Lord that set us free...not just watch and waited
That is a error of translation as you know or dont know Hebrew is different than english. You need to think of the context of the time and culture. That is just a way of greeting people in that time period. jesus also said ye are gods does that make it literal.
With only works there is no salvation, with only salvation there is no need 2 try 2 save, most importantly is salvation God price 4 sin has been paid
I would rather be judged by a God that had experienced life, all the emotions, pain + suffering then a God that sat on a throne just watching. How could that God say honestly 'u could have done more', everyone's answer would be, 'u were never in my shoes', But Jesus has walked the earth, so there in no reason 4 Him not understanding
God by definition knows all this before he even walked the earth. He knows more than you can fathom and he does not have to experience anything to know about it. It should say somewhere in the bible that "He is God not man"
God in Heaven was limited...to what you ask...what limit can God ever have? Temptation to sin, as human being we have the Devil tempting us everyday...in Heaven God could never have felt this...unless He took the weaker form of a man to exprience it...Unless He became flesh God would not have felt the temptations of sin on earth.
well i thought God was 100% holy and he cannot be evil in any sort of way so how can he make himself weaker so he can experience or human nature. That makes him something other than God which is of course human.
God as Jesus never became evil, He was only ever pure and perfect...what He did do by becoming man is feel the tempt of sin and evil. Hence the Devil temptation, trying to make Him take power by force and not by God plan and almighty will
I keep repeating myself and you say the same thing. Jesus could not have been God because if he is TEMPTED that means he has weakness so he is not GOD who is unfalliable and doesnt even have the ability to tempt.
keloglan1, any weakness that Christ had was "worn", Phl 2:7-8, so that He might bear our iniquities. Being tempted does not imply that Christ was "temptable", but that Satan performed the act of temptation against Him, so he was "tempted of the Devil" Mt 4:1. Christ's mission was to be obedient, unto death, to the Triune God's perfect law, thus saving His people, while glorifying His Father, with whom He Is. There was no chance that He would fail, because He is God.
Keloglan1, forgive me if I gave you that impression. I believe that all of the seed of Abraham and the good Gentiles who believed in the promises of God are in Heaven, just as it is now. I also believe that Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of those promises, so if one doesn't believe in Him, one doesn't believe the promises or He who made them. If you haven't already, please consider reading the letter to the Hebrews in the New Testament. It relates this better than I ever could.
Well that doesnt make good logical sense now does it i thought that all who did not believe that Jesus Christ died for them would go to hell. So your saying that God could forgive sins without a fleshy sacrifice. So why would he need a sacrifice now? Chrisitanity is not a logical religion.
What make me laugh about people who talk logic, is they are easy to judge anything they can't comprehend or fit in to their logical out look on life, dismissing other ideas with little or no research in to the matters they try and attack. Most have no point to prove, other then trying to disprove other, what is logical about that, reading your comments you haven't made one point that makes an argument against Christianity that hasn't been made before.
No other person, has more books, films, songs etc... dedicated to them more then Jesus Christ. In this vast world of 6 billion + people, one man from 2000 years ago has effected more lives then any other of the trillions of people that may have graced the earth, all this coming from a man born in a time pre-tv, radio and internet. Even after 2000 years of scrutiny people still turn to Christ every day, yet your still displeased this was God incarnate.
you seem troubled in these remarks why dont you go sit on a cucumber. Since you take logic out of religion you might as well believe in Zeus or believe that trees sing. Yes my doubt on the incarnation of God into a human has been asked before and i have not heard one sound arguement for it besides the ones that are made-up instead of relying on bible evidence.
You still haven't adressed the question, What religion do you claim...if any?
I not troubled in anyway, shape or cucumber by your remarks, the amount of people like you there seems to be in the world doesn't surprise me...you shout fake, didn't happen etc... But have no means to back up your beliefs by any "logical" arguments, as logic is what you preach...show me some...?
i said all i can say and my arguement is sound I told you why i didnt believe jesus christ is not God incarnate in my previous responses and no Christian i met gave a good answer plus i quoted bible verses so go sit on your cross.
The bible verses you 'quote' or should I say mis-quote only say what you think they say, because you take them out of context. Try reading more a line, chapter or just one book of the bible, go from start to finish read all 66 books and see where that gets you. You either get it or don't.
No doubt Christians will refer to the bible as the core proof and resource to defend our faith, better that, then to claim an ideal and have no way of enforcing it.
I have a feeling your the kind of person that wants God to say 'woohoo up here!' and then dazzle you with a miracle or two, faith comes from the heart first not the head, God isn't going to prove Himself to you, you have to prove yourself to God
If you want to know the truth then you must search for it through logic and understanding but if you want to make up your own beliefs then and say thats the truth then there is no truth.
I don't make my own beliefs, I choose them just like millions have held the same beliefs as I do, it's you that preaches logic and then with a few mis-quotes think your making a point, you who creates your own religion.
I'd respect you a little more if you actually read your comments back and pointed at least 3 points you have made that prove to you Jesus wasn't God...you just clutching a straws
ok ill read you a few quotes which i have given before but here it goes. "my father is greater than me" "Why do you call me good none is good but God alone" "I dont know the day (reffering to the last day)no one knows it here but only my father in heaven knows"
Your so easy to get lost in the context of why Jesus said things the way He did, that is your problem. You think if God hadn't plan for things to be said in this way, they would be...In my opinion God made this remakes to separate the wheat from the chaff. A believe won't get caught up on one liners like you have and if that is the core of your argument you not very logical.
Riddle me this brainiac, relating to the prophesies about the Jewish messiah, Jesus fulfilled over 600 prophecies in His life on earth all mentioned in the Old Testament, the chance of fulfilling 1 or 2 is easy, but 600!!! How logically you have been to over look all this and fall short on a one liner!
I think you have too much feeling thats why you have a cucumber in you and you dont understand very well. Im not gonna argue with you figure out the truth yourself but if your convinced already then God will no doubt inform you in the end.
If you were so logically, then you could come up with a logically argument, instead of the play ground remarks you make. Telling people to sit on things, just because they won't say 'Yeah man, you have made me think, your logic is right' doesn't make you big or correct...they are poor tactics, an expression of last resorts.
If you want people to take notice of ur opinions + maybe respect them, why not try and produce a balance +'logically' argument, 1 that makes sense and in fairness is not just childish.
Until you can do that, ur just fooling urself that u have some concreate opinion, screaming logic + then uses none urself, truely I feel for u, u have CONvince urself u have a point, when really ur just lost
Now tell me how is Jesus God and the father God at the same time while jesus is saying that the father is greater than him or he says he doesnt know while the father only knows. If he was God he would know everything certainly he wouldnt lie!
Your stuck on the idea that God wouldn't limit Himself as a man, God said every man and women shall died, due to their payment for sins, He didn't revoke that price from Jesus. He enforced it more and more! He didn't make Jesus not have to eat or drink did He? Jesus gave himself limits because that was the will of God
Your stuck on the fact that your impression of God as man would be some kind of invincible figure, when the very ethos of Christ, was for God to become man to so that in weakness you can have strength and through evil God can make anything good. If you can't comprehend how perfect the Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled by Christ your not very logically
Ok you have Jesus God incarnate and He doesn't click His fingers to move from place to place, no He walks like every other man, He doesn't every time He's hungry go 'da da' and magic food in front of Him, God did everything that was meant to happen perfect so the message of Christ would stand firm and it has for willing believers. Christ is Messiah, Lord and God, just because He doesn't fit you mould, you pull a feeble line or to a dismiss His faith
i thought you said you read my previous arguements! Im getting frustrated at deluded Christians like you who cant give good answers and wont admit that the trinity is a falsehood which it is its Man-made some priest or pope came up with the idea not God.
Prime example of how you know jack about Christianity and your stuck on legalities, stuck on what you think are plausible arguments, which like I said have been around for centuries (Yawn). You frustrated because your blinded by your own righteousness, thinking the world would be such a simpler place if everyone thought like you, logic is find but with the wrong foundations your, peeing in the wind
Do some research and actually read a few more lines that are more meaningful before you grace us all with you wonderful logically thinking. And you still remain firm in not enlightening anyone on what marvellous faith you have come to believe in, why not just call it 'logically dimness' -- A faith were you refuse anything else bar what your ears like the sound of!
Im impressed by your dedication its very funny that a few quotes from the bible and someone can get this worked up. Anyway im not gonna keep quoting the same things in this little comments boxes but i implore you to look a little deeper than your shallow understanding of God. Jesus cannot be God incarnate now if he was just a man then it is simple and logical and he did his miracles from God without him being God just like moses split the sea right?
I'm not worked up about anything...I feel sorry for you, but like I sais, it's on your own back, that is freewill buddy! Your quotes are nothing new, 500 word comments can't explain in details all the holes in your arguments, but a 2sec search on the net and you'll find pages of people quashing your points better then I ever could, you probably wouldn't give them your precious time, so logically...yet so dumb!
im not gonna write anymore after this comment so my point was to enlighten my point of view and i did as much as i could and thats it. Im not gonna tell you what i believe because i dont respect you very much for your exaggerated comments. All i can tell you is God will show you in the end and that you are one thick headed dum dude who does not think deeply about religion.
Yes you can say He would understand, but just because you say: 'I understand how had it is to lose a child' does that make it true? Of course not! Unless you yourself have too felt that same pain, you can only ever sympathise...you never know until you exprience something yourself.
God of the Bible, can say firstly I created everything, in becoming man I have experienced everything and now I have the right to judge everything. Getting caught up on details like Jesus referring as if the Father as separate is futile.
In my opinion God wants people to have to make a choice over this, 'Do I believe God would come and be killed for mankind or not' God leaving question marks like these separates the true believes from none believers...but actions do count to salvation
its not futile if it strikes at the truth maybe its hard for you to understand the concept of the oneness of God instead of being spread out in three aspects.
The oneness of God is the whole Trinity. It's a bad analogy in the scope of things, but does a bike with 3 wheels ever get called a uni-cycle? Or a bike with 2 wheels ever get called a tri-cycle? Yet they are still all classed a bikes. The Christian God has 3 part that make one whole almighty God, all those parts are equal for the concept of God Almighty.
The Trinity God is the ultimate expression of God, I wouldn't have my God any other way. Lord, Saviour and Judge.
wait so jesus is lord father is lord and the holy spirit is lord so i guess when you pray to God you must pray to jesus because he set up personal relationship then the father for sending him then the holy spirit for inspiring. This is just very illogical God. I prefer one God who does not make it so confusing.
I pray to God almighty as a whole, if I address him as a seperate part of the Trinity in my mind it is the same God. I can thanks God for creating me, for sending His Son to save me or His Spirit to guide me...I don't have a problem comprehending the concept of the Trinity God
You say in your opinions on Christianity, anyone who believe in Jesus sacrifice is saved regardless, not so! Yes that is the ticket to the party, but if u r not dress the right way, u ain't coming in. Jesus clearly points this out in Bible when He says 'Many will come to me, saying Lord haven't we done great works in Your name?' and Jesus says 'Get away from me you never knew Me!' How clear a message do you need that Salvation is the key, but only Jesus opens the door to heaven?
look at these verses, "my father is greater than all" "I do not my own will but the will of my father" "No one knows of the day not the son nor anyone on earth only the father knows" When jesus is praying he is praying to God or would one aspect of God pray to another aspect of God or God is trying to be more like human beings to show us sympathy or he is humbling himself. This is not logically when thinking about what God is which is all powerful, all knowing.
When God took human form as Jesus, He layed down parts of His Almighty God Powers. Ie. the Devil tried to tempt Him in the wilderness, to abuse the powers he knew Jesus had, but God in flesh refused.
No Jesus didn't know the day of Judgement, as in human form God removed this knowledge from His earthly incarnation until He returned back to Heaven. Haven't you ever talk to yourself, you try to prove to yourself a faith base on logic, when God cares that you base your logic around a true faith.
Ok is this theology coming from you or from the text in the Bible. If he is God then he cant remove his God powers because Jesus is God. God by definition cannot do anything to remove his own powers or create something that is equal or greater than himself because it would be contradictory to his nature. God does want you to base your logic around a true faith but trinity is not true its man-made.
The whole point of God ruling over man is that we will never and can never fully understand Gods logic, we have finite minds and God is infinate.
So when you talk about the Holy Trinity not being logical you must not have fully understood the points God has left open to us.
Just like a dog or cat can't understand the logic of a man, we can't hope to fathom the full logic of God, we can only understand what He believes we needed to understand.
your right, There are things the human mind cant understand about God for example how God is able to create things out of nothing. Its hard for a human mind to grasp this idea but when talking about what God is such as Trinity or man in flesh then the human mind can logically work the theology out to see try to find out the truth. The Trinity then runs into a problem, even the bible confirms this when Jesus speaks about God and himself.
God is 3 in 1 as this is the perfect expression of God in a whole, first God the father creator, second God the son who would pay the price for mankinds sins and third the spirit which dwells in all persons of the earth.
The problem with most of mankind is we like to label and categorise thing to try and make them simple to us, you can't do this with God.
Logic is a stupid idea to place your ideas on God, as His logic is never going to match with any logic mankind could create or have.
Truth from the heart. Thank you so much for bringing some Christian sanity to youtube. I will be hearing you in person in Yuba City, CA this Friday night. God Bless you. - TG -
Okay. The Bible is wrong. No scripture in the Bible says anything about the Trinity. That includes Matthew. I am a Christian, don't get me wrong with the first line I wrote, but no disciple or apostle baptised anybody in Father, Son, Holy Ghost. It's titles of One God, Jesus Christ.
1089aef 1 year ago
Not Ergun Caner but Micheal Caner... Your real name is Micheal.
TurkishPartizan 1 year ago
He sell fake story about himself and got promoted to the dean position at LU. what a bogus preacher.
kelubi99 1 year ago
God Moves Through the Holy Spirity, which makes the Holy Spirit God
DeathofAstar718 1 year ago
He said the bible teaches the trinity,
BUT DID GOD TEACH THE TRINITY?
Did Jesus teach the trinty?
The trinity a man made concept,
He said jesus left off h\is divine progatiives while on earth..............HOW CAN JESUS BE GOD IF HE LEFT OF HIS GODNESS. That makes him a man.....THIS GUYS A CLOWN
dedicate11 2 years ago
"space is a trinity"---scientists have come farther than that...there are MORE than 3 dimensions
"time is a trinity"---tomorrow doesn't exist, we are constantly in the present
-tomorrow is a concept of arrogance...this guys doesn't make ANY sense
IstinaBEPA 2 years ago
First this guy is not a Dr. after he was exposed he removed that title from his website. do a search on mokhan247 here on youtube and you will see how he and his brother love to lie every chance they have. He claims he debated many muslims at universities, we still asking him to tell us who he debated but he stands silent.
josephbel 2 years ago
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Peace be upon you
Ergun Caner continues to disgrace himself
After having been exposed by brother Mokhan247
Hes started a crusade on facebook with the purpose of eleminating his opponents
Thus, my account has been suspended
My crime : Asking questions !
am1984ine 2 years ago 2
good luck in hell
imys1 2 years ago
He tries to explain the trinity. Jesus didn't do his own will or know the hour...why? Caner says he "limited" himself. Okay. Then why did he do miracles? Caners will probably say "because he was God".
So at times he chose not to limit himself and at other times he chose to limit himself? Lol.
Let me give you another explanation. He performed miracles and gave revelation correct? But he didn't know the hour or do his own will. Sounds like a prophet to me!
Alhamdulillah!
MavsBoyJ5 3 years ago
Evangelical christians want women barefoot pregnant in their kitchen waiting their husbands everyday at home. Such a modern christianity that is.
Turkey is a secular democracy. Women has more phd degree in universities in Turkey than America. European Union Laws are above turkish laws. There are millions of agnostic & atheist people in Turkey
thraciensis 3 years ago
Huh? Barefoot pregnant wives - where do you get this silliness? Your references to Turkey are OK, but remember Evangelical Christians believe that the world should be told the Good News of Jesus. Yes there are some silly people who believe women should be subservient. I'm sure there are some of those in Turkey too.
fwfassett 3 years ago
stop it.insulting people or forcing them to believe in a religion is not the right thing to do. when god send his word to some one is because that person is going to accepted it.he have a plan 4 each one of us.
shakil2120 3 years ago
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that guy is gay.
Kite207 3 years ago
taxiquoter- "this guy has never been muslim
he is lieing?????"
How many of these videos are you going to copy and paste the same message on?
What YOU are doing is dishonest.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
this guy has never been muslim
he is lieing?????
taxiquoter 4 years ago
One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. All of you do not have to believe any of this now--God has given you that choice. But one day, rest assured you WILL know the truth and confess before our wonderful God that he is GOD!
crystalfw 4 years ago 3
@crystalfw Your "choice" huh? And you got the from the Bible where? Oh, what do you say to the FACT that Caner is a known liar that embelished his "testimony"? Just curious.
voted4bush 1 year ago
here is the trinity you brute sick man:
father is POPE (which means father in latin, pappas)
mother of god is MARY
son of god is therefore jesus
holy spirit: pigeon... may as well be a goose...
this explains all the crusades and inquisitions (shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth)
christianity is the root of all evil, something like free masonry (33 degrees)
xtripodx05 4 years ago
Christianity is peacefull (where do you get evil from?)because you were taught that? Have you researched for yourself? We are encourged to discover the truth (Islam,Hindu,Buddist,etc). Have you ever read the bible? We are called to love&pray for our enemy's. How about you?
blitz1860 3 years ago 2
love& pray for you enemy?
hmm? then america still in iraq killing people?
Kite207 3 years ago
@Kite207 your an idiot. Just another example of someone speaking of something that they hear on tv. Let me guess, you have never been there, you are one of those pussy's that wont serve your country either. Its above you! I know, just enjoy your freedom while those guys are dieing for you so you can say something that stupid!
texan19792000 1 year ago
The heart of the Cross is a God-to-God contract of GIFTING, because Father Son and Spirit Each Love Each other. Three Co-Infinite Gods of Identical Nature. So it works juridically, since Co-Equal Nature (Son, a title, not a begetting) Adds Humanity to Himself, and in that Humanity, pays. Easy to understand.
brainouty 4 years ago
The amount of people or who believed does not make something true there could be a billion deluded people that claim they have the truth but have strayed from it. So dont give me this B.S. about this person that person or millions of people believe it.
keloglan1 4 years ago
Still avoiding any explanation about what great religion you hold dear, I think your scared that some1 might attack your beliefs like you attack Christ, but hey it's about the most logically thing you have done. As some people can't stand the fact people think what they believe is wrong, but I can...millions don't beleive just like you Jesus was God
ASKBB 4 years ago 2
But I believe Christ has wide enough shoulder for any doubters, haters or just plain stubborn people. It's on your back if you accept or reject Jesus. As for me having a shallow understanding of my faith and about my God, that is cheap as I have probably spent more time looking at nearly every religion worldwide to confirm Christinity uniqueness, what have you done to confirm you beliefs?
ASKBB 4 years ago 2
of course you have to interpret these quotes but if your trying to say that jesus is God then these dont help unless you make something up like God was his spirit and then the flesh is saying that its not good or something like that.
keloglan1 4 years ago
For every 1 liner you hold so dear, there is another 20 lines how Jesus is God, all bar Judas and John died as a martyr for early Christianity, all refusing to let Jesus be called anything but God incarnate...your telling me that these men who spent just over 3 years with Christ on earth, would go so willingly to their death, because Jesus made a few quote that you say are firm evidence against His divinity. News flash they didn't doubt, only 'logical' people like you do!
ASKBB 4 years ago
Yes Christianity is a religion not as some others would claim a relationship with God because any religion seeks to make a relationship with God. All the semitic religions anyway.
keloglan1 4 years ago
What religion are you anyway? Bet your another Tom Cruise science babbler. By your own self righteousness you have missed the whole point of Christianity, grouping it with other religions that also miss the point of God ultimate plan for mankind through Christ.
Man can't think like God, as soon as you understand this, you can live by faith and not by mankind's so-called wisdom and logic...?
ASKBB 4 years ago
Thanks be to God that Dr. Caner has spoken to the Muslim faithful. I pray that some may be saved by faith in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, the one true God. Thank you Dr. Caner, for preaching Christ; may those who dwell in darkness see our Great Light.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
your following a false idea of God that he is triune and that he incarnated himself into a human but dont worry God will show you the error of your ways.
keloglan1 4 years ago
If the trinity belief is so true and so confirmed by the bible then there wouldnt be Christian groups such as Jehovas Witness, Unitarians, and Mormon
keloglan1 4 years ago
Because people like to divide and start new denominations because everyone wants to be a leader...you have secret agenda and disputes between two group of believers and they seperate and become two part of the same Holy Church. You only have to look at the jewish faith to see how, the diciples who were jews moved forward with God to start the Christian faith. Which open the salvation of God to all people Jew and gentle.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
im talking about theological disputes. Jehovas witness dont believe in trinity for example and they use the same bible.
keloglan1 4 years ago
Also why must God sacrifice something pure to save the guilty. Did he not forgive the people by his own power of forgiveness rather than sacrifice something pure to cancel out the faults of people that were already placed in human beings by God. God created humans with fault to try to test them is this not true.
keloglan1 4 years ago
A price was set by God for sin, you could say: Why does God keep the Devil around if he could just get rid of him? Well he does through his mercy, plus he plays a vital part in Gods plan for mankind. We all have a choice and side to take, there is no sitting on the fence. Freewill is the gift God gave us, a frewill to believe in His scarifice or reject it.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
Why then do people inheret sin and become guilty when they had nothing to do with their ancestors guilt or sin when they are born. So your telling me that babies who have no idea of the sacrifice or of God are going to hell because they are cursed with sin. Your gonna say well God wont judge them because they didnt know but this is straying from the Theological teaching which means whoever has sin shall die.
keloglan1 4 years ago
As for God bot being able to what you claim, why not!? The only thing God can't do is create a perfect replica of Himself, but He could simply create a human body that had his divine pure spirit and also hold back from giving that being, certain knowledge for whatever reason he sees nesscessary. As humans we block memories, so we can get jobs that need to be done, done. Why can't God?
Hyphen777 4 years ago
Ok lets just say that he did make a man that has his spirit making that man God. Then why does that same God-man talk to God which is himself like he is his lower or that he cant do anything by himself. Is God lying? Of course this is impossbile God does not lie or deceive human beings. Now your gonna say well Jesus is Man and God well then i guess Jesus prays to himself which is his own spirit and he prays to the father.
keloglan1 4 years ago
The gift God showed through Jesus is that, even because He didn't have to, he would pay the price He Himself had put on our sin debt. To be scarificed for mankind God showed us that, even though we might have to do something it is in our better intrests to do it.
The fault you talk about, come from sin the devil and our own freewill, that is God given...NOT GOD CREATED...human act to create their own fates
Hyphen777 4 years ago
Ok so God gave freewill but he made that so we recognize God by ourselves and he also made weaknesses in us also for that purpose. So why is man so evil then if God is responsible for this and Man is constantly being told how sinful and away from God he is although that is what God intended so we turn to God but not through a sacrifice or blood but through faith and action. Not just accept and then thats it like with most Christians.
keloglan1 4 years ago
We are not saved by ours works, but by the scarifice of Jesus Christ. If you look at the whole picture you see that God has divine insight above anything we could ever imagine. He planned to create men, allow mans fall in to sin and to allow the 'Prince of this world' the devil to have the ability to tempt and sway us away from God divine truth, love and light
Hyphen777 4 years ago
We are also not saved by faith alone, faith without works is dead. There are so many Christians who believe that all they must do in this world is to accept Jesus as lord and savior (although he wasnt God and that there is no other worthy lord besides God) and then thats it they go to heaven no matter what. This is a very dangerous belief because it gives no incentive to do good in this life.
keloglan1 4 years ago
I get the kinda of feeling from you replies that you are a sedo-skeptic about Christainity, not a skeptic...let me explain.
A skeptic is someone who has their doubts about certain things, but is willing to change due to new facts and opinions...a sedo skeptic is someone that has already made their mind up about a subject...and would not change their opinion regardless the evidence.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
i guess your a sedo-skeptic too from what you have described because originally i meant to disprove the trinity because it is not true but despite the evidence from scripture you still wont change regardless of the evidence. Our posting has led into other subjects.
keloglan1 4 years ago
God can only ever be good, this doesn't mean that evil can't come from good. God created the Devil it was his freewill and own actions that created his evil downfall.
Just as God in the Bible uses evil for His owns purposes of good ie: Joseph, Lot, Moses and more importantly Jesus etc...The Devil tries to use Good to create evil. But ultimately God decide who is blameless with Hos divine wisdom
Hyphen777 4 years ago
i dont know what you are trying to argue here but all i can tell you is Jesus was not God and that original sin is not true because it takes the responsibility of your own sin and puts it to someone else it also makes a man guilty of sin by just inhereting it. Let me ask you a question,Did you inheret your fathers sins?
keloglan1 4 years ago
No one inherits sin, the age we lose our innocence, that is, when we fully understand the consequences of are actions as being right or wrong, sin rest on our shoulders, this depends on the person, God only knows when we are reach this age.
It remains that sin exists, and continues because mankind continues to sin. It's like a ball of fluff that everyone adds to, we all sin and we all add to the overall sin of mankind, but no but Jesus took an inheritance of someone else's sin.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
Well your still saying we are born sinful so if you are a baby and you died you would go to hell. You would also go to hell if you didnt know jesus in this life. What kind of justice is that? God sure has no mercy on you if you dont accept is condition. So Christianitys God has a conditional love not unconditional.
keloglan1 4 years ago
You say there is no where in the Bible were the Trinity is mentioned and in part you are correct, the word Trinity comes after the Bible was collated, but the fact remains the three parts, Father, Son and Spirit, exist in the Bible no matter how hard you try to say they have no relation. Look at it as Gods long day, God the Father is the morning, God the Son the afternoon and the Spirit is the evening, the evening is human days we live in now.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
Ok it does but its illogical no matter how you explain it in physical terms and bible points out its false according to what Jesus says like i said before,"Jesus says my father is greater than all, Go to my God and your God" I see and i judge not by my will but by the will of my father.
keloglan1 4 years ago
Of course Jesus would refer to the God in Heaven as greater then all, because the God that He is in heaven is not limited to the human factors and agendas that Jesus was sent to the Earth to fulfil. If you read the bible you find many references to God being the potter and we are his clay, put simply does God have the right to make himself clay to fulfil His plan..Yes. Do we have the right to question Him..no!
Hyphen777 4 years ago
Well then that would make jesus not God if he was weaker than God. He could not logically be equal to God. Its always good to question because if you follow blindly it will lead you far away from the truth. So it is our God-given right to question.
keloglan1 4 years ago
Look at Thomas: After he touch the risen Christ he said 'My Lord and my God'...Jesus didn't say 'Stop I am not your God' did He? If he had arguements about God talking to Himself would hold but He allowed the diciples to call Him God after His death because that is what He was...The Lord that set us free...not just watch and waited
Hyphen777 4 years ago
That is a error of translation as you know or dont know Hebrew is different than english. You need to think of the context of the time and culture. That is just a way of greeting people in that time period. jesus also said ye are gods does that make it literal.
keloglan1 4 years ago
With only works there is no salvation, with only salvation there is no need 2 try 2 save, most importantly is salvation God price 4 sin has been paid
I would rather be judged by a God that had experienced life, all the emotions, pain + suffering then a God that sat on a throne just watching. How could that God say honestly 'u could have done more', everyone's answer would be, 'u were never in my shoes', But Jesus has walked the earth, so there in no reason 4 Him not understanding
Hyphen777 4 years ago
God by definition knows all this before he even walked the earth. He knows more than you can fathom and he does not have to experience anything to know about it. It should say somewhere in the bible that "He is God not man"
keloglan1 4 years ago
God in Heaven was limited...to what you ask...what limit can God ever have? Temptation to sin, as human being we have the Devil tempting us everyday...in Heaven God could never have felt this...unless He took the weaker form of a man to exprience it...Unless He became flesh God would not have felt the temptations of sin on earth.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
well i thought God was 100% holy and he cannot be evil in any sort of way so how can he make himself weaker so he can experience or human nature. That makes him something other than God which is of course human.
keloglan1 4 years ago
God as Jesus never became evil, He was only ever pure and perfect...what He did do by becoming man is feel the tempt of sin and evil. Hence the Devil temptation, trying to make Him take power by force and not by God plan and almighty will
Hyphen777 4 years ago
I keep repeating myself and you say the same thing. Jesus could not have been God because if he is TEMPTED that means he has weakness so he is not GOD who is unfalliable and doesnt even have the ability to tempt.
keloglan1 4 years ago
keloglan1, any weakness that Christ had was "worn", Phl 2:7-8, so that He might bear our iniquities. Being tempted does not imply that Christ was "temptable", but that Satan performed the act of temptation against Him, so he was "tempted of the Devil" Mt 4:1. Christ's mission was to be obedient, unto death, to the Triune God's perfect law, thus saving His people, while glorifying His Father, with whom He Is. There was no chance that He would fail, because He is God.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
Then i guess God's people before Jesus go to hell because the triune God that you speak of did come to earth and crucify himself.
keloglan1 4 years ago
Keloglan1, forgive me if I gave you that impression. I believe that all of the seed of Abraham and the good Gentiles who believed in the promises of God are in Heaven, just as it is now. I also believe that Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of those promises, so if one doesn't believe in Him, one doesn't believe the promises or He who made them. If you haven't already, please consider reading the letter to the Hebrews in the New Testament. It relates this better than I ever could.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
Well that doesnt make good logical sense now does it i thought that all who did not believe that Jesus Christ died for them would go to hell. So your saying that God could forgive sins without a fleshy sacrifice. So why would he need a sacrifice now? Chrisitanity is not a logical religion.
keloglan1 4 years ago
What make me laugh about people who talk logic, is they are easy to judge anything they can't comprehend or fit in to their logical out look on life, dismissing other ideas with little or no research in to the matters they try and attack. Most have no point to prove, other then trying to disprove other, what is logical about that, reading your comments you haven't made one point that makes an argument against Christianity that hasn't been made before.
ASKBB 4 years ago
No other person, has more books, films, songs etc... dedicated to them more then Jesus Christ. In this vast world of 6 billion + people, one man from 2000 years ago has effected more lives then any other of the trillions of people that may have graced the earth, all this coming from a man born in a time pre-tv, radio and internet. Even after 2000 years of scrutiny people still turn to Christ every day, yet your still displeased this was God incarnate.
ASKBB 4 years ago
you seem troubled in these remarks why dont you go sit on a cucumber. Since you take logic out of religion you might as well believe in Zeus or believe that trees sing. Yes my doubt on the incarnation of God into a human has been asked before and i have not heard one sound arguement for it besides the ones that are made-up instead of relying on bible evidence.
keloglan1 4 years ago
You still haven't adressed the question, What religion do you claim...if any?
I not troubled in anyway, shape or cucumber by your remarks, the amount of people like you there seems to be in the world doesn't surprise me...you shout fake, didn't happen etc... But have no means to back up your beliefs by any "logical" arguments, as logic is what you preach...show me some...?
ASKBB 4 years ago
i said all i can say and my arguement is sound I told you why i didnt believe jesus christ is not God incarnate in my previous responses and no Christian i met gave a good answer plus i quoted bible verses so go sit on your cross.
keloglan1 4 years ago
The bible verses you 'quote' or should I say mis-quote only say what you think they say, because you take them out of context. Try reading more a line, chapter or just one book of the bible, go from start to finish read all 66 books and see where that gets you. You either get it or don't.
ASKBB 4 years ago
No doubt Christians will refer to the bible as the core proof and resource to defend our faith, better that, then to claim an ideal and have no way of enforcing it.
I have a feeling your the kind of person that wants God to say 'woohoo up here!' and then dazzle you with a miracle or two, faith comes from the heart first not the head, God isn't going to prove Himself to you, you have to prove yourself to God
ASKBB 4 years ago
If you want to know the truth then you must search for it through logic and understanding but if you want to make up your own beliefs then and say thats the truth then there is no truth.
keloglan1 4 years ago
I don't make my own beliefs, I choose them just like millions have held the same beliefs as I do, it's you that preaches logic and then with a few mis-quotes think your making a point, you who creates your own religion.
I'd respect you a little more if you actually read your comments back and pointed at least 3 points you have made that prove to you Jesus wasn't God...you just clutching a straws
ASKBB 4 years ago
ok ill read you a few quotes which i have given before but here it goes. "my father is greater than me" "Why do you call me good none is good but God alone" "I dont know the day (reffering to the last day)no one knows it here but only my father in heaven knows"
keloglan1 4 years ago
Your so easy to get lost in the context of why Jesus said things the way He did, that is your problem. You think if God hadn't plan for things to be said in this way, they would be...In my opinion God made this remakes to separate the wheat from the chaff. A believe won't get caught up on one liners like you have and if that is the core of your argument you not very logical.
ASKBB 4 years ago
Riddle me this brainiac, relating to the prophesies about the Jewish messiah, Jesus fulfilled over 600 prophecies in His life on earth all mentioned in the Old Testament, the chance of fulfilling 1 or 2 is easy, but 600!!! How logically you have been to over look all this and fall short on a one liner!
ASKBB 4 years ago
I think you have too much feeling thats why you have a cucumber in you and you dont understand very well. Im not gonna argue with you figure out the truth yourself but if your convinced already then God will no doubt inform you in the end.
keloglan1 4 years ago
If you were so logically, then you could come up with a logically argument, instead of the play ground remarks you make. Telling people to sit on things, just because they won't say 'Yeah man, you have made me think, your logic is right' doesn't make you big or correct...they are poor tactics, an expression of last resorts.
ASKBB 4 years ago
If you want people to take notice of ur opinions + maybe respect them, why not try and produce a balance +'logically' argument, 1 that makes sense and in fairness is not just childish.
Until you can do that, ur just fooling urself that u have some concreate opinion, screaming logic + then uses none urself, truely I feel for u, u have CONvince urself u have a point, when really ur just lost
ASKBB 4 years ago
Now tell me how is Jesus God and the father God at the same time while jesus is saying that the father is greater than him or he says he doesnt know while the father only knows. If he was God he would know everything certainly he wouldnt lie!
keloglan1 4 years ago
Your stuck on the idea that God wouldn't limit Himself as a man, God said every man and women shall died, due to their payment for sins, He didn't revoke that price from Jesus. He enforced it more and more! He didn't make Jesus not have to eat or drink did He? Jesus gave himself limits because that was the will of God
ASKBB 4 years ago
Your stuck on the fact that your impression of God as man would be some kind of invincible figure, when the very ethos of Christ, was for God to become man to so that in weakness you can have strength and through evil God can make anything good. If you can't comprehend how perfect the Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled by Christ your not very logically
ASKBB 4 years ago
Ok you have Jesus God incarnate and He doesn't click His fingers to move from place to place, no He walks like every other man, He doesn't every time He's hungry go 'da da' and magic food in front of Him, God did everything that was meant to happen perfect so the message of Christ would stand firm and it has for willing believers. Christ is Messiah, Lord and God, just because He doesn't fit you mould, you pull a feeble line or to a dismiss His faith
ASKBB 4 years ago
i thought you said you read my previous arguements! Im getting frustrated at deluded Christians like you who cant give good answers and wont admit that the trinity is a falsehood which it is its Man-made some priest or pope came up with the idea not God.
keloglan1 4 years ago
Prime example of how you know jack about Christianity and your stuck on legalities, stuck on what you think are plausible arguments, which like I said have been around for centuries (Yawn). You frustrated because your blinded by your own righteousness, thinking the world would be such a simpler place if everyone thought like you, logic is find but with the wrong foundations your, peeing in the wind
ASKBB 4 years ago 2
Do some research and actually read a few more lines that are more meaningful before you grace us all with you wonderful logically thinking. And you still remain firm in not enlightening anyone on what marvellous faith you have come to believe in, why not just call it 'logically dimness' -- A faith were you refuse anything else bar what your ears like the sound of!
ASKBB 4 years ago 2
Im impressed by your dedication its very funny that a few quotes from the bible and someone can get this worked up. Anyway im not gonna keep quoting the same things in this little comments boxes but i implore you to look a little deeper than your shallow understanding of God. Jesus cannot be God incarnate now if he was just a man then it is simple and logical and he did his miracles from God without him being God just like moses split the sea right?
keloglan1 4 years ago
I'm not worked up about anything...I feel sorry for you, but like I sais, it's on your own back, that is freewill buddy! Your quotes are nothing new, 500 word comments can't explain in details all the holes in your arguments, but a 2sec search on the net and you'll find pages of people quashing your points better then I ever could, you probably wouldn't give them your precious time, so logically...yet so dumb!
ASKBB 4 years ago 2
im not gonna write anymore after this comment so my point was to enlighten my point of view and i did as much as i could and thats it. Im not gonna tell you what i believe because i dont respect you very much for your exaggerated comments. All i can tell you is God will show you in the end and that you are one thick headed dum dude who does not think deeply about religion.
keloglan1 4 years ago
Yes you can say He would understand, but just because you say: 'I understand how had it is to lose a child' does that make it true? Of course not! Unless you yourself have too felt that same pain, you can only ever sympathise...you never know until you exprience something yourself.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
God of the Bible, can say firstly I created everything, in becoming man I have experienced everything and now I have the right to judge everything. Getting caught up on details like Jesus referring as if the Father as separate is futile.
In my opinion God wants people to have to make a choice over this, 'Do I believe God would come and be killed for mankind or not' God leaving question marks like these separates the true believes from none believers...but actions do count to salvation
Hyphen777 4 years ago
its not futile if it strikes at the truth maybe its hard for you to understand the concept of the oneness of God instead of being spread out in three aspects.
keloglan1 4 years ago
The oneness of God is the whole Trinity. It's a bad analogy in the scope of things, but does a bike with 3 wheels ever get called a uni-cycle? Or a bike with 2 wheels ever get called a tri-cycle? Yet they are still all classed a bikes. The Christian God has 3 part that make one whole almighty God, all those parts are equal for the concept of God Almighty.
The Trinity God is the ultimate expression of God, I wouldn't have my God any other way. Lord, Saviour and Judge.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
wait so jesus is lord father is lord and the holy spirit is lord so i guess when you pray to God you must pray to jesus because he set up personal relationship then the father for sending him then the holy spirit for inspiring. This is just very illogical God. I prefer one God who does not make it so confusing.
keloglan1 4 years ago
I pray to God almighty as a whole, if I address him as a seperate part of the Trinity in my mind it is the same God. I can thanks God for creating me, for sending His Son to save me or His Spirit to guide me...I don't have a problem comprehending the concept of the Trinity God
Hyphen777 4 years ago
You say in your opinions on Christianity, anyone who believe in Jesus sacrifice is saved regardless, not so! Yes that is the ticket to the party, but if u r not dress the right way, u ain't coming in. Jesus clearly points this out in Bible when He says 'Many will come to me, saying Lord haven't we done great works in Your name?' and Jesus says 'Get away from me you never knew Me!' How clear a message do you need that Salvation is the key, but only Jesus opens the door to heaven?
Hyphen777 4 years ago
look at these verses, "my father is greater than all" "I do not my own will but the will of my father" "No one knows of the day not the son nor anyone on earth only the father knows" When jesus is praying he is praying to God or would one aspect of God pray to another aspect of God or God is trying to be more like human beings to show us sympathy or he is humbling himself. This is not logically when thinking about what God is which is all powerful, all knowing.
keloglan1 4 years ago
When God took human form as Jesus, He layed down parts of His Almighty God Powers. Ie. the Devil tried to tempt Him in the wilderness, to abuse the powers he knew Jesus had, but God in flesh refused.
No Jesus didn't know the day of Judgement, as in human form God removed this knowledge from His earthly incarnation until He returned back to Heaven. Haven't you ever talk to yourself, you try to prove to yourself a faith base on logic, when God cares that you base your logic around a true faith.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
Ok is this theology coming from you or from the text in the Bible. If he is God then he cant remove his God powers because Jesus is God. God by definition cannot do anything to remove his own powers or create something that is equal or greater than himself because it would be contradictory to his nature. God does want you to base your logic around a true faith but trinity is not true its man-made.
keloglan1 4 years ago
trinity does not make sense because it is not logical and God cannot be illogical because God created logic so man can understand God.
keloglan1 4 years ago
The whole point of God ruling over man is that we will never and can never fully understand Gods logic, we have finite minds and God is infinate.
So when you talk about the Holy Trinity not being logical you must not have fully understood the points God has left open to us.
Just like a dog or cat can't understand the logic of a man, we can't hope to fathom the full logic of God, we can only understand what He believes we needed to understand.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
your right, There are things the human mind cant understand about God for example how God is able to create things out of nothing. Its hard for a human mind to grasp this idea but when talking about what God is such as Trinity or man in flesh then the human mind can logically work the theology out to see try to find out the truth. The Trinity then runs into a problem, even the bible confirms this when Jesus speaks about God and himself.
keloglan1 4 years ago
God is 3 in 1 as this is the perfect expression of God in a whole, first God the father creator, second God the son who would pay the price for mankinds sins and third the spirit which dwells in all persons of the earth.
The problem with most of mankind is we like to label and categorise thing to try and make them simple to us, you can't do this with God.
Logic is a stupid idea to place your ideas on God, as His logic is never going to match with any logic mankind could create or have.
Hyphen777 4 years ago
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sofyy 4 years ago
Truth from the heart. Thank you so much for bringing some Christian sanity to youtube. I will be hearing you in person in Yuba City, CA this Friday night. God Bless you. - TG -
nododon 5 years ago
Is he aware of the Docetists, Marcionites, Ebionites, etc?
ardruma 5 years ago
I love this guy, it's hard to describe but what he says feels genuine and true, the opposite of the typical dry sermon, it touched my heart thank you
anthnygdslv 5 years ago