The Last Kibbutz - Israel/Palestine

[ImaginedWriter]

Weirdo communists.

[JNathanK2011]

I admire kibbutzims and labor zionism.

[OrthodoxDarwinist]

The Kibbutzes house some of the most extreme Zionist extremist terrorists there are.

[Kaasko]

greeting from kibbutz ha tikvah

shalom

[TamiAvrami]

It's a real shame that most of the Kibbutzim have given up on a moneyless society. I have spent 4 years of my life in a Kibbutz from 1981 to 1985 and this experience has proven to me that life without money, competition and hierarchy is not only possible but much more enjoyable. I am now involved in the Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project hoping that humanity will evolve to a society without any money or value exchange system. Check out these projects and join !

[randomlaughingman]

@TamiAvrami - re. some of what is listed @ wiki for zeitgeist movement - my god, how can u possibly think that has anything to do with wholesome natural things?! it sounds like a sci-fi dystopia for the most part. total nightmare. i hope someone wrote the wiki up wrong...

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman

I understand that at first sight this can be confusing. But technology cannot be stopped. The only choice we have is, wether we put it to intelligent use or if we continue using it in a destructive manner for profit. If you really want to know what the Movement is about, why not check out their website directly ? I suggest the Activist Guide Movie on site, to have a first understanding. But there is much more...

Love,

Petra

[randomlaughingman]

@TamiAvrami - how can it 'not be stopped'? it's entirely controlled by people, same way corporations are 100% controlled by people.

i see what u r saying, as what already exists can surely be utilised if actually needed - but even that is dangerous as a view, as evil will use it to put all kinds of things in here cause we are saying 'hey if we have it already then we can use it'. as for intelligent use - the wiki is not describing anything intelligent at all, is why i asked. is it accurate?

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman - The Wiki is not wrong but does not go into detail enough to permit a deeper understanding.

In the current monetary system technology will not be stopped because robots are the cheaper labour. If, or rather when the monetary system brakes down we can use clean technology, because it is stupid to do boring work if machines can do it for you and thus free you to enjoy nature and spirituality for example. The key is a resource based economy (see Jacque Fresco).

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami Also : in a society of abundance for everyone there will be much less evil, because it does not make any sense. Evil today is entirely related to scarecity, and scarecity is maintained for profit. It is a vicious circle. But in nature ther is no such thing as good or evil. There is only the law of nature and if you fail to respect it you go down. Humanity stands before the court of natural selection. We're just preparing our case. There will be no appeal.

[randomlaughingman]

@TamiAvrami = ok i'll check that out. still don't see what kind of work would be needed in a sane society tho, that robots should do instead of people? bomb disposal 4 example is only needed entirely because of evil uses of technology having made a war economy.

some evil today is because of the notion of scarcity - but there wasn't scarcity to begin with, so when evil took hold it had no connection to people not having access to needed goods.

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman You are right, globally there is no scarcity, but locally there is. That is why people and animals migrate and fight over territories. This is not evil, but the drive for survival. Technology makes it possible to harvest abundance globally and to distribute it globally, thus making scarcity a thing of the past. We cannot achieve this only with muscle force. But it is imperative to understand and respect the environment. We do this with science and technology.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami Of course, we do not do this now, because the monetary system is in the way and pushes the ruling minority for more profit and more power. Would they be afraid of the scarcity they themselves keep creating, that they need so much money and power ?

[randomlaughingman]

@TamiAvrami - can u give an example of what tech u mean, i can see u mean transportation of some kind for distribution, but the harvest part? u do realise that under normal circumstances people can't live from water supplies, so they'd only really use sail or rowboats and animals and simple pedaled devices to travel about. there's no rush when things are normal.

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman Just for you I started a playlist "technology" on my YT chaine. There you can see for ex. orange picking robots that recognize the shape and colour of the fuit. You have tree shakers with a sort of inversed umbrella that raps aroud the tree to collect the falling fruit, there are mini strawberry picking robots (a bit slow yet though, lol).

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami There are fully automated hydroponic farms which mesure and recognize the needs of the plants and which could be equipped with automatic harvesting devices. What we often perceive to be intuition, is nothing less than experience gained from observation, trial and error. From this experience we create a technique to deal with problems. This technique can be programmed into any computer. Visual and sensory devices are much more efficient

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami than our natural human senses. Water can be directed from anywhere to anywhere. But even if there will still be some manual work left to be done, you will always find volunteers who like doing certain tasks. We will have to work much less than today. What are a few hours a week, when you're not under pressure and work in a socially friendly environment, not having to worry about any bills to pay ? This kind of work would be play and fun.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami Not everyone needs to live in a city. There might be "old style" natural communities as a sort of art and teaching projects, where people can live as long as they want and are physically able to. They could be adventure fun projects. We are not talking about a uniform society. We need diversity.

Oh yes : I just found out that we are beginning to grow meat from cells ?!! No more slaughter... This might be interesting.

PS : please excuse my English

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman Robots are not alive, they just follow a very complex program we create for them. There are robots that talk to you about feelings, but they are just mimicking. They have no feelings or own will.

We have never gotten rid of any god. For the believers, the gods are still alive and well, and for the atheists there are no gods to be gotten rid of to start with. I have never seen any god being hurt or killed, or even in good health, for that matter. Have you ?

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman Unfortunately I have to agree with you on people being robots today. I see golems all around me, too. But there are still a lot of people connected to universal consciousness. Robots, as any matter, are alive in a certain way, because they consist of pure energy, just like we do. They might be consciousness as matter, but not as ego. That is why they can't be hurt. Well, this is only what I think vaguely, but I am not at all sure, of course.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami But what is important, is that humanity wakes up to consciousness and starts respecting nature as a whole. To me, technology is part of nature and part of the ongoing creation. It can be used, as anything, wisely or stupidly. I believe that we are far too many people on this planet, to go back to no technology. If we use technology intelligently, there will be enough for everyone. We can then ALL concentrate on conciousness.

[randomlaughingman]

@TamiAvrami - is that a jew thing, thinking tech is the answer? if it is then jews r even worse than i thought.

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman Ok, so you don't like jews. Now that this is out of the way, we can hopefully go on, even though I am one of them.

The Venus Project has been thought out by an industrial designer, inventor and scientist. Jaque Fresco. I believe he should know a little about this. As far as I know he is not jewish.

Robots build and repair robots on demand. It is a fact, that technological outsourcing has long since started. Jobs are dissapearing at high speed.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami They are not being replaced by new jobs. The more people are out of work, the less they will be able to consume. Without constant consumation the monetary system will collapse. At that point we hope that people will get organized around the Venus Project. Money will no longer exist in our project. Cost is thus irrelevant. Jobs like money handling will be gone. Police and army will be gone. Well, I too, could go on and on, but I won't repeat all that is already available

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami on the websites of the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement. If you're not interested, that's cool. If you are, I strongly suggest you really check out these sites. All your questions have already been asked and responded to on the forums. We are happy about anyone who joins us and makes suggestions. Just saying "it won't work" does not help and is irrelevant.

If we won't organize, the new world order is going to happen. Do you want to live under global dictatorship ? I don'tt

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman If you're just looking at the pictures without reading the scientific material and the explanations about the buildings design, structure and purpose, it does not surprise me one bit, that you're just basing your disgust on personal and preconditioned opinion, rather than applying open minded reflection. Once you will have really studied the issue, you might come up with better designs. We're all ears. The only constant is change. We invite you to be creative.

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman Thanks for the link. It looks like a very nice house and I agree, that anyone really interested could build one of these... if they had a piece of land and the time to do it. Ok, £4000 is not a lot of money, but I don't have this amount of money, neither do I have any land property. If all of the worlds people would live in a nifty little house like this, there soon would not be enough space on the surface of the earth.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami Just as not everyone would want to live in a big city, not everyone will want to live in a house like this.

I agree with you, that there is a lot of bad use of technology today. We should get rid of the bad technology and stick with using and developping the good one. If we got rid of all technology, how would that effect the medical care, for example ?

What is artificial stuff ? Is a wheel not artificial ? Where do you draw the line ?

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami As for consciousness and what intereferes with it... honestly I do not know enough about this to have an opinion about this. I would think, that the greatest obstacle to consciousnes is an oversized ego. I do not quite understand how any material could be an obstacle to consciousness. As for energy fields, that is a vast subject which we learn more and more about through the application of science and technology.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami I am aware of some of the natural architecture, and the studies of the best fitted natural habitats in different geological areas. But the question of the growing population remains. Do we, at this point in time, have enough space to house everyone like this ? I don't know. But I definitely think that such housing can and will be integrated in a resource based economy and truely free society.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami With my naked body I can feel some of the energy around us, but I cannot perceive single atoms, neutrons or single cells. I cannot understand how they relate to one antother. From my personal body experience I cannot understand anything of the body experience of a shark, for example, and what his needs are.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami How are you able to use the internet ? Why are you using it ?

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman I do not believe in "any type of humans". If George Bush had been born into and raised by one of the rare still existing natural tribes, he would not have been quite the same person. It is the environment in which he grew up, that made him what he has become. Look at the some of the descendants of slaves in the USA. All there former tribal values and understandings are lost to them. Some are now adapting to their actual environment by stealing and murdering for survival.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami It seems important to me to study and understand what causes destructive behaviour and how we can improve the environment in order to reduce and eradicate such behaviour. Law and punishment have proven to be a failure. The four years I lived in a Kibbutz, I have never locked my appartement once, and I have not been stolen from. This is not, because Kibbutzniks are better people, but because they had no need to steal.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami Money. That is exactly what is limiting each and every one of us. The monetary system will come down, though. That is exactly why we are proposing the resource based economy. This is the key element of the Venus Project. All the earth's resources should be the common heritage of all it's inhabitants. No more personal property. Philosophically : how can you own something, when you are part of everything ? Property is an illusion.

[TamiAvrami]

@randomlaughingman Your idea of telling idiots to kill themselves is understandable but does not solve the problem, if you consider the anunaki theory. They would just cross over into antother dimension and control and infect people down here from behind the scenes. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to appear to be a saint here, because I know hatred from own experience. I used to have a long list of assholes to blow away some day. But what would be the point ? They are better armed, anyway.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami They also always have the next candidate in line to take their pathetic position, once they are gone.

[TamiAvrami]

@TamiAvrami Sorry, I have to make a break here, because I have some household tasks to attend to. My stupid robot is on strike (lol). See you later...

[Renttu7744]

wtf, they are jews???? they are blondes? I thought the jews were a semetic group from Israel (in the middle east). Not from sweden.

[sarit7777]

@Renttu7744 Israel is a mix of all nations. over the past 300 hundred years there are people that came from Morocco, Egypt, Poland, Germany, Netherlands, UK, US, Russia, Check Republic, Hungary, Syria, Yaman and more. Even from Sweden :) your welcome to come over and see for yourself.

[able223]

What about the Jew claw? I don't see it in de movie films

[LostEmpireRecords]

@able223 Yeah I was thinking the same thing! When I see jews in my neighbourhood I have to use special tactick's to avoid the claws. Vicious creatures!! Can't believe that they don't say anything about them..

Mann what a world weire living in!!!

[tryanjohnson]

I think this is really amazing. I didn't know such a thing was possible. Even though this video portrays the Kibbutz as part of the past, I think and hope it will part of the future.

[sarit7777]

@tryanjohnson It is - Just in a different way. the sleeping arrangement is gone in most of the kibutz, but the rest is till there. there are more then 200 Kibutz in Israel.

Best people of the land.

[tryanjohnson]

@sarit7777 I wish and hope for the best. G-d, why are there not more of these in the world? I don't know, but we need more. What is wrong with humanity? Today people have such amazing potential to communicate and cooperate. I wish you all the best!!!

[hunterx2568]

wow thts really funny. i searched this video cuz i too grew up on an old style kibbutz but i actually know the family they interviewed. they moved to montreal for a company called amdox the same way my family did. and i went to school with their daugter for my first 2 years in montreal

[paisleyyama]

I know a woman who lived in a kid`s house kibbutz. It seems like it would produce disfunctional ppl who are disconnected from their families but amazingly this woman is so kind & tender hearted to all ppl even if they aren`t Jewish & she has a great relationship w/her parents. I can`t understand or explain it but somehow this system works although it`s not a life I would choose. A Kibbutz life sounds nice but not a children`s house, that I couldn`t bear.

[pboisei]

sigourney weaver @ 10:11

[constant137]

Beautiful video, reminding us of the dreams of a long gone generation, emerging from the persecutions all across Europe.

In future, when coping with the problems that are awaiting us (global warming, mass migrations, cities flooded, not to mention new financial debacles) the ones still standing may rediscover it.

So, while the experiment seems dead and defeated, one day it may look like just "the first try".

[ummnadia]

settlements are against international law and make daily life for those being occupied by them thru out the west bank and gaza almost impossible. too bad they left that detail out.

[pboisei]

It's not a settlement ass; it's a kibbutz!

[c4jc22]

Thanks for sharing this video. It seems the entire world is changing, not all good, but not all bad. I pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

[markdarms]

As bad as the british in Ireland.

[olmertismad]

what do u mean?

[1988Mscott]

Paranoid asshat.

[BIFRevolver]

Idiot!

[urssulas]

as far as i read about kibbutz in wikipedia its pretty good idea but this children dormitory and eating thogether (like in factories) is stupid anyway in my own opinion i think kibbutz sistem is only good for farming communities and not others like towns

[TejanoChimbo]

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► Jewish settlers suck

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[lorelay111]

this is GEma form Spain!!! Big kiss to all of you, the one sI saw in the video, the ones I see in my dreams, You'll be always in my heart!!!

Isn't it wonderful internet????

[lorelay111]

this is Gema from Spain!!!! big kiss to all of you, the ones I saw in the video, the ones I see in my dreams.

You'll be always in my heart

Isn't it wonderful internet?????

[TejanoChimbo]

► Israel is a pain in the äss

[Kwashi13]

You are pathetic.

[JimmytheWalrus]

communism rulez

[cmi80]

hope we can do akibbutz in the philippines

[paulewing81]

is that sigourney weaver living in a kibbutz

[Kwashi13]

???? She's too busy kicking alien butt I suppose.

[MUKUBWA01]

why the menorah in this video has 4candles each side? when the majority of them got only 3candles each side?

[JimmytheWalrus]

you might be thinking of kwanza

[taylorswiftrox59]

no, they all have 4 on one side and i in the middle called the shamash. Maybe you are thinking of kwanza?

[mainesux]

i was a volunteer on machanim in 1978.. lahkiem!

[SivanTall]

Why you added Palestine to the title?

this report is about Israel not Palestine.

change it!!!

[strasburger2]

I'm proud to say that I was once an international volunteer at Kibbutz Baram for an entire year of my life. I would readily give up my posh, lazy American life to join the incredible community of Baram. That way of life has produced some of the most beautiful people I have ever had the priviledge of meeting anywhere in the world. That said, why should they be pressured by anyone, especially outsiders, to give up their childrens homes, or any other part of their lives?

[aarfeld]

The pressure for change is from within. It's the younger generation of kibbutz children, now parents themselves, who wanted the change and voted it in on kibbutzim across the country. All societies are dynamic and change and adapt over time. If family homes keep members happy and satisfied in their needs and desires, then kibbutz will continue to thrive and provide pleasant lives for those who make it home.

[psmoreon]

Baram is grasping at straws. It's time to get with the program like most other Kibbutzim have done

[benzroyce]

Times do change,seasons change and so people.

[SR61]

SO predictable. Anyone who does anything other than salute Israel is a nazi. Ha, you never let me down...

[drotsky]

Yellow -- don't you mean Beautiful Brave Israelis ?.

Haman got himself hanged , Hitler blew his shitty little head off , Eichman screamed as he dropped. Nazi's die --- Israel is Eternal --- get over it and get on with your own life.

[SR61]

How's the old Lebensraum project working out for ya then?