on the waterfront

[Konversekid]

This view point ignores the transcendence, will and, means by which something occurs, which helps define its meaning to the person both acting and to those consciously observing. For example, if an earthquake killed several people it would be considered a disaster, but not evil; a person killing several people would be both disastrous and evil; the practical effect and means are both important in terms of our projected meaning, so this perspective is impractical in terms of human judgement.

[seanotube85]

What would you consider a "practical effect" of religion? Comfort perhaps? And are you saying that anyone who is not religious is a pragmatist? That is not true if that's what you mean. People can feel good doing good for others without being religious. Also, consider how people can think of it as "pragmatic" to be good simply so they will not go to hell. Also I'm not entirely sure what you meant at the end where you say "for a pragmatist, these would all basically collapse." Could you clarify?