Trivium -- Broken One (live in Sydney 13 Aug 2008)

[megahdith]

im gonna have a BLAST learning matts solo lol

[MetalguitarlessonsUK]

Woah, I had no idea Matt did the solo in this song, the sweeps in the studio version sound far too clean to be his...with the 3 string ones he usually hammers on the descending notes every time which makes it far easier but also sounds hella sloppy and looses alot of the smoothness yet the studio version of this are picked for sure...wierd.

[BloodReverence]

@MetalguitarlessonsUK You're a good guitar player, I'll give you that, but it doesn't make it sloppy at all. Only an inexperienced player would be sloppy by doing those pull-offs.

[MetalguitarlessonsUK]

@BloodReverence Thanks, but I still think it sounds sloppy. When you hammer on those descending notes the tone is of course very different to the swept ones and inevitably they stick out less so it almost sounds as though you have miss hit the descending part, it no longer sounds smooth and consistant, just choppy and broken up which to my ears is sloppy. LIsten to say the sweeps in torn between scylla and charybids and thunderhorse (the metalocalypse song) both clearly have the hammer on

[MetalguitarlessonsUK]

@BloodReverence approach to arpeggios and I think both sound super sloppy, compare those to say this video here of some guy doing them what I would class as 'properly' and I think you will agree they just sound sloppy, like a failed attempt at sweeping or something. Then again I am a bit of a technique nazi so there ya go :P

/watch?v=kFG9lWhDBtQ&NR=1

(skip to 24 seconds in for the sweeps)

[BloodReverence]

@MetalguitarlessonsUK Are you saying the guy in that video is sloppy? I wouldn't go that far. He plays pretty well actually. His sweeping is pretty damn clean. I'll agree with Thunderhorse sounding sloppy, although I do believe it's more in the way the sweeps were mixed into the song that made it hard to hear the individual notes. Torn Between Scylla sounds a bit sloppy. If you play with proper technique, the pull-off will be just as loud as a picked note, thought not quite as defined.

[MetalguitarlessonsUK]

@BloodReverence No im saying the guy in that video is doing it properly (ie sweeping the descending notes as well as the ascending) and that when compared to that the two examples I gave of hammer on sweeps do sound sloppy. I dont think the way a song is mixed can make something go from sounding clean to sloppy really, if anything it does the opposite, if you place something low down the mix then the mistakes will be less obvious and many will be hidden altogether, it can make sloppy playing

[MetalguitarlessonsUK]

@BloodReverence sound cleanish but not clean playing sound sloppy. Hammer on's are one of the easiest techniques to master on the guitar, players like Matt heafy or Brendan Small are unlikely to mess up two simple hammer ons in a row, especially on something they both play as often as sweep picking thus I dont think those examples sound sloppy because they messed up the hammer ons, I think its just because that 'cheating' (ish) way of sweeping sounds plain bad.

[BloodReverence]

@MetalguitarlessonsUK Ohh I see what you're saying now. My original interpretation on what you said was "He plays a pull-off at the start of the descending sweep and that makes it sloppy" now i understand you mean "He sweeps down and then hammer-ons back up the arpeggio." In this sense, yes I totally agree with you.

Sorry about all the confusion and whatnot.

[MetalguitarlessonsUK]

@BloodReverence Whey, high fives and pudding for all!

[JohnBlack64]

for the new album i think the opener should be a redone version of "the storm" it would be sooo sick

[DarkJoker123]

R.I.P Rising sun guitar :'(

[triviumabrhtd]

god i love travis haha

[kimiprout]

I'd kill to hear this song LIVE! thanks a bunch

[cwd1979]

why didnt you put the camera on them when they were soloing

you didnt get heafy at all, and then when it was coreys part you taped paulo, why lol

[IDetonation]

Amazing.

[ssdaven]

lol nvm sorry was just surprised.. i havent heard this before.

[XxTheEndOfTheLinexX]

Is on the single "The Real Anthem"

[NsIX3]

This should of made the crusade, it's on a UK release of the "Anthem (We are the fire)" single along with the song "Vengeance".

[ollieshreder]

i really hope they do a shogan limited edition version of shogan they'v done one allready but i mean like machine head how they brang out a better edition one

[TheAxeSlayer]

fuckin love this song

[rodrigot567]

better edition?

how?

they can mix the songs any better than how they are

they wont do a rerelease because the have the limited ed already

the blackening didnt when it came out

thats why they did it later

[trivium884]

great song...it really is...if only they would re-do now...the singing would be amazing...he'd no how to hit some of the notes better

[HeavenlyArmed]

They should re-record Ember To Inferno! They could make it so much better! His screaming is actually good now! And he could do agressive singing in spots where it wouyld fit. It would be amazing!

[dethspade77]

do what AILD did sorta?

[HeavenlyArmed]

Yeah. Like that!

[TheImmortal2097]

this is seriously such an awesome song....it doesnt seem like it gets as much attention as it should

[trzvzm]

didnt paolo played to intro? :'(

[spardassoul2]

woah thanks for uploading that one , its my favourite song by them

[luisthrash]

Dammint, you were recording the wrong guys when the solos came in man!

[66srsen66]

Nah sorry dude - didnt record the whole thing. Just a bunch of tracks. I would burn onto dvd but my pc cant burn dvd's.

[LAPPINGJIM]

hope they play this at the NEC in october!

[purelh]

hell yeah i never herd the live version

[imsqueege]

Ahahha - you can just make me out standing backstage behind Paolo :D

[tjirr12]

Have they ever played Vengeange live?

[brianjoly]

vengeance?

[tjirr12]

yeah!

[vulcan5978]

The other b side on the anthem single, and no they have not played it live before

[lingerdead]

I haven´t seen that, but they definitely should:D

[XZzGothixZzX]

no they haven't. Unfortunately

[TkMarx08]

i fucking love this song..

[c0rt3z]

great! thanks for all your great videos from this concert, must've been hell of a concert with all that great songs =)

[BLSberserkersdmf]

i think vengeance is better, i don't know why they added both to the regular album they aren't rediculously long.

either way, nice performance.

[HeafyGuitar]

Its Cos heafy Personally didnt think they were good enough for the album, but i think they should hav put Broken One On sumthin which shows Paolo can actually play his bass besides on Becoming The Dragon lol.

[furchmeister17]

Yeah seriously he's probably a way better bassist than people give him credit for

[dixie60]

yeh he seems to be extremly underated. just hearing this song and the solos on Becoming the dragon and the crusade show he is a very very good bass player.

[MASTEROFPUPPETS238]

have u ever heard we are the fire the bass is just so awsome

[BassistBlaze]

Paolo is an unbelievable bassist and he IS way underated

[MAJZmartialarts]

paolo is an awesome bass player just listen to all the shit he duz on their new album when it comes out

i have heard every song and he is just amazing

also he is a preety damn good singer

he is too underrated for how good he is...

and he isnt like all those butch ass bassists who quit and just do the chords and shit he actually plays every rythm that the guitars play

IM SEEIN THEM IN OCTOBER IN BUFFALO!!!

CANT WAIT!!

GOT BACKSTAGE PASSES AND EVERYTHING!!!!!

[BassistBlaze]

AND hes good at making songs.He wrote the music for To The Rats whiich is one of their best songs.

[stupidexample]

yea he wrote guitar parts for their last two albums as well.. Throes of Perdition, the start riff is his.

[AlexFromHell1993]

And the elephant riff in Down From The Sky.

[Blackened1993]

he wrote the majority of down from the sky including the elephant riff =]

[harrypit07]

i didnt think they did this song live but i love it! thanks for the upload

[Kizil]

thanks loads for posting this, such a great song!

[Sabotage515]

Good Song

What was the setlist for this show

[damnit123abc]

dude thank you for recording all these songs in decent quality. fuckin KG, DOWN FROM THE SKY, ITMOHWM, AND BROKEN ONE LIVE. couldnt ask for better live material

[starman69]

there playin 7 strings

[JoshOfDarkness]

ahh!! You didn't get the intro! lol

[DustOfFreedom]

thanx SOO MUCH for filming this event!

[skotyb]

Vox in chorus are well dissapointing.

Recorded version is so much better.

[Grummski]

lol you could say that for every Trivium song

[timisgod13]

this is a b-side to anthem from the crusade

it's not from shogun

[ANDREWHALL28]

Ah , didn't know that, i don't have the single, thanks though

[66srsen66]

right you are - thanks heaps for that!!

See, i don't buy singles, so i just assumed it was a newy...

Will change the description - thanks again!

[timisgod13]

not a problem :)

[ANDREWHALL28]

The Dying in Your Arms of the new album then, pretty good but not the best track i've heard so far

[sturty]

Were you one of the dudes out the front in the line that got me to take a photo of you and your mates?

Awesome Gig!

[66srsen66]

nah man, wasn't me! :)