Let us proclaim, my brothers: We are French, we are German, we are British, we are Swedish, Dutch, Polish, Finnish, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian; but above all, we are European!
whele i would wahnt turkey in europe under one condition they must not turn to islam laws and be a politica state whyth freedom of choise .becas islam is liek a comunist state and i dont liek the things they doo.
When stop playing catchup to america then you called your selfs a superpower. esa, airbus and alikes are just mear copies of things that america had been doing long before the europeans came into the game.
@juan2225ful, Americans are of European descent so think you got it the wrong way round, Europeans were playing the "game" long before the USA even existed, Nasa for example only got into space thanks to German science, engineering and her people and it was the Europeans (British) who built the first jet liners something the American firms later went on to dominate.
Turkey is fucking pathetic... They want to get in the EU, but are threatening the EU ( for the Cyprus thing ). I hope Turkey realizes that EU could crush Turkey in no time. They belong to the Thanksgiving Foodplates in USA anyway...
@FinMilkku Wow,you're just too much buddy.You would win every debate with that kind of argument.Go educate yourself please.Allowing Turkey in the EU could accelerate a solution for Cyprus.And what is all this bullshit about crushing another country,Violence is not the European way.
@EnlightenMePlease1 i know violence is not the European way. By crushing turkey, doesn't necessarily mean, to war on them. but if turkey keeps threatening the EU, we are not just gonna stand and hear them, right? that isn't the European way either. And about taking Turkey in the EU... you really want millions and millions of poor muslims in Europe? I hope you don't..
@FinMilkku Ok first of all,turkey isn't threatening the EU,I don't know where you got this info?And Turkey has a higher gdp per capita than for example Serbia,Romania,...(All members or aspiring members of the EU).Again what I observe with your comment(and with many others) is the fact that they're Muslim that is frightening you.That's the real problem right?That's what you don't want.
@EnlightenMePlease1 It read on the news, that Turkey is threatening the EU. It said that Turkey will freeze the relations if it gave chairmanship to Cyprus. And that was stupid, cause Turkey needs the EU more than EU needs Turkey. And no. The reason i don't want Turkey in the Union, is not that its Islamic, ( for example i would take in the union, Bosnia and Albania, who also are muslim ) but because its not European. Its Asian. It belongs to Asia, Not Europe. Just like Georgia, Armenia etc....
@FinMilkku You do realize that Bosnia and Albania are much poorer than Turkey right.And you take " freezing relations" as a serious threat?Again Turkey has been a good ally for Europe and I think they should join the EU if they can comply with 3 criteria 1.Mutual agreement about Cyprus 2 Stop persecuting the Kurds 3 They have to do an effort on human rights and press freedom.
@EnlightenMePlease1 yes i do realize that Bosnia and Albania are much poorer than Turkey, but they are European. Its about the IDEA, not the money. And the news said, ''Turkey threatening the EU'' so..
@FinMilkku Turkey is(yes just a small part) on the European continent,so therefore they are qualified to be in the EU.And if you really think that money doesn't count then you're just being naive.Turkey is on the crossroads between Asia and Europe and a major regional player.Personally I have a bigger problem that Kazachstan(an authoritarian regime) is head of the EU defence council.Btw Armenia and Georgia also part of the european continent.
@EnlightenMePlease1 just because Turkey controls a little peace of Europe, doesn't mean its European. for example, France still controls a little part of South America ( french guiana ). That doesn't make France South American doesn't it? So no, if we want to keep the EU European, Turkey should not be a part of it. PS. Armenia and Georgia are NOT European. They are Asian. The 'Border' of Europe goes: From the Ural Mountains, to the Russian-Kazakhstan Border to the Black sea and Bosphorus.
@FinMilkku What is European is defined by the council of europe. As the EU defines countries as European if they are the member of the council of europe. Thus as Turkey is a member, they are evaluated as a European country. Europe can reach as far as we want it, race/culture/religion don't play a role in this desing. The motto united in diversity is there for a reason. If we go per the membership criteria for the EU, Turkey has much more of a reason to be a part of it then Bulgaria or Romania.
@Teranex ''Europe can reach as far as we want it, race/culture/religion don't play a role in this desing. '' What? you think Europe is just a peace of land? a continent? Culture, religion, and race plays a very big role in this design. Turkey is not Europe, end of story.
@FinMilkku "Culture, religion, and race plays a very big role in this"-"im not xenophobist, nor racist"-Then you are a hypocrite. Membership requirements don't state anything about culture, race or religion. Anyone who is willing to work for the greater good in the context of the European community is more then welcome to join. The EU is a concept for the future for something far greater to be limited to solely the geographical European continent or that it could exclude anyone.
@Teranex ''Anyone who is willing to work for the greater good in the context of the European community is more then welcome to join''. Well Turkey still controls an invaded part of EU member, Cyprus, and is not willing to give it back. what do you think about that? is that ''willing to work for the greater good in the context of the European community'' ? i don't understand why do you want Turkey in this union so badly.
@FinMilkku "what do you think about that"-If they want to join they will have to negotiate an solution as all members of the EU have to consent to their membership, which i dobut will happen without that (And the land was occupied beore cyprus joined the EU).
"why do you want Turkey"-You misunderstood me as it seems. I want anyone in the EU who is willing to work for the greater good of a union and fulfills the conditions for membership (Like Turkey does).
@Teranex 'I want anyone in the EU who is willing to work for the greater good of a union and fulfills the conditions for membership (Like Turkey does).' well Turkey has MANY conditions to fulfill, before entering the union.
@FinMilkku "Turkey has MANY conditions to fulfill"-In comparison to Bulgaria and Romania, it has not. If you look at the membership requirements for any nation, you will see that Turkey is by far more competent to join the EU then Romania and Bulgaria were, when they joined, thus no, turkey doesn't have any major conditions to fulfill.
@FinMilkku "CYPRUS, the country"-Cyprus the country had a turkish population ever since it was creted. The turkish population in cyprus is by far older then the country of cyprus.
A) Being Christian was never a condition to be an European. As the majority of europe is Agnostic/Atheist and not Christian. B) If by Christian you mean Christian values, then this argument is even weaker as EU doesn't support inequality of genders/religions and many other things the bible/pope advocates.
@Teranex lol you say that Turkey has fulfilled all the requirements to join the EU? more than Romania, and Bulgaria? dude check the requirements again, and the check what has Turkey fulfilled. there is a reason why Turkey is not in the union, you know? And no matter what you say, and what the council says, i still don't think Turkey is European, Geographically, nor Culturally. Cyprus ( Culturally ), Romania and Bulgaria are.
@FinMilkku "check the requirements again"-Tell me what are the requirements? Since you seem to be full of knowledge about the EU :D? Other then that you still utterly failed to define this European culture you boast so much about.
Per the definition of the council of europe (Of which the EU is lending its definition of European) turkey is a European country, no matter what you think. What did the Finns do, to deserve, to be called European? You don't even speak an indo-European language.
@FinMilkku You got a very disturbed perception of things. There is no such thing as a European culture. You see things only black and white as you would like to percept them, but in reality there is a whole alot of Grey and that "blackens" gets a lot grayer then more the EU expands as other countries start to align to the values the EU is exerting upon them. Europe perhaps has borders, but the EU has not. Don't equalize the EU with Europe as they don't have a lot in common.
@Teranex you say that there is no european culture, but then how would you define culture. the peoples at diffrent ends of a country can be radically diffrent in many ways.
also the dividing line between europe and asia is traditionally along the ural mountains through the black sea and out the dardenells. turkey would therefore be primarily asian. that said they are still on the eurasian continental plate. also turkey is kept out due to human rights violations. last i heard that is.
@CommanderMethos " but then how would you define culture"-Thats exactly the point I am making here. Europe has no "European culture" it has numerous different cultures. The motto "united in diversity" is there for a reason.
"along the ural mountains"-I aware of the fact, thanks. Yet geographically seen there is no border between Asia and europe, its one continent all in all. Other then that Cyprus a country which is fully in Asia is a member of the EU thus this argument has no weight anymore
@Teranex yes but that doesnt awnser the question. if we look at it another way what is british culture. is it the eastend style of living the essex style of living, is it the culture of the jordys of newcastle or the scots or the welsh. if you say there is no european culture becasue there are diffrences between the peoples of europe you would have to by extension reason that there was no british or german culture. or any other form of national culture.
@CommanderMethos So define this European culture without excluding any of the states which are the members of the EU. There are NO cultural criteria to join the EU, so its even futile to say that someone cant join because of his "un-european" culture.
@CommanderMethos While it is true that the EU is promoting certain values (Like democracy) its by no means promoting a culture. Once again I will repeat the EU is not Europe or vice-versa. Culture is a term which has little to do with the EU other then the "united in diversity" concept which is the motto of the EU. Thus claiming that someone is un-European is like saying that he is un-British (If a british person says that) as everyone will define the European culture per his own "normality"
@Teranex i never said the EU was europe. the EU is a ruling goverenment body for europe yes. but my point was that there can if britian france or germany is considered to have a national culture and that culture is made up of lots of diffrent cultures then there must be, by definition, a european culture.
@CommanderMethos "EU was europe"-I never claimed so, yet i had to emphasize it when it came to the question of the European culture.
"a european culture"-I did hear about the German culture and the French culture, yet in never heard a definition of European culture. As there is no European culture. As that would imply that there are certain features in all European cultures which are universal. While that is far from being true.
@CommanderMethos A)At no point in history was europe a Christian continent, if you mean that by saying common religious background B) Bread is not a european phenomenom, the food is known by many civilizations troughout the world under different names (lavashs, taboons, sangaks, pita...) . The "modern"-"sliced bread" was not "invented" any sooner then 1912.
@Teranex i was naming "certain features that are universal". and you have to admit the christianity was a very powerful religion throughout europe.especially durng the time of the tutonic knights.
@CommanderMethos "certain features that are universal"-How is bread universal to europe as i have clarly shown otherwise? The things you named are universal for the majority of the civilizations in existence of that time.
"the christianity was a very powerful religion"-I never claimed otherwise, yet you claimed Europeans have a common religious background with which i cant agree on. Not to forget that Islam also had a powerful grip on europe at that time.
@CommanderMethos I can also say that the Arabs have a common religious background in Christianity, which was practiced in the majority of the middle east and north Africa before the Islamic conquests. Does that make them a part of the European culture? Or what about Ethiopia which is one of the oldest Christian countries in existence, do they have a European culture?
@CommanderMethos You claimed there exists something called "European culture". Yet something like that doesn't exist. We are different in language, culture, religion, ethnicity, there are no universalities which would bind europe. And thats exactly what makes this continent so great. And as per the EU, we are united in diversity, giving the best of every nation for the common good of all who are willing to participate in this project (Even the Turks).
@CommanderMethos Well we are talking about the existence of a theoretic culture, called European culture. Could you give me a definition of European culture which wouldn't exclude any "European"nation (Note that what is "European" is also nowhere clearly defined, even the "border" of the European Continent is actually disputed as there are more then 5 definitions).
@CommanderMethos (My university program gives a great deal of attention on studying the EU and everything connected to it, thats why what we are discussing here is a very valid discussion in my study programme. Per my opinion a universal European culture doesn't exist and if it ever exists then something went terribly wrong in the European project as a whole. Yet I do agree that the EU is trying to build common European values).
@CommanderMethos C) "pubs"-do you claim that those were exclusive to europe? Thats like saying universities were an invention of Europeans while similar institutions were also known in the Islamic world. This is a very euro-centric, pro-western approach.
@CommanderMethos Other then that, people seem to forget that Europe is not the EU and vice versa. Turkey is being kept out cause of France (The real unofficial reason). If you compare Bulgaria with Turkey in the context of the EU membership criteria you will see that Turkey is by far more eligible to join.
@Teranex dude listen to this guy @CommanderMethos ... he said what i had to say. and why should i tell you the requirements? go look for them yourself.
@FinMilkku I already replied to what he said, so you are welocme to say somthing.
"go look for them yourself"-You said that per the membership requirements Turkey is not more eligible to join then Bulgaria (was) in comparison. I asked you per which? So can i receive an answerer?
@Teranex actually you said first that Turkey is more eligible to join the union, than Romania, and Bulgaria. And i ask you, which requirements hasn't Romania and Bulgaria fulfilled, and Turkey has.
@FinMilkku "Romania and Bulgaria fulfilled, and Turkey has."-You either dont know what the word "eligible" means or you dont know what the "conditions" are to join the EU. Or you wouldnt say "which requirements hasn't Romania and Bulgaria fulfilled". So thanks for proving this. Other then that, check the Copenhagen criteria.
@FinMilkku Yes i can. One condition for entry into the EU is the ability to compete in the European market. Turkey is by far more capable to do so with a bigger industry and GDP per capita, then Bulgaria and Romania are. Here is one example. Now i request once example from your side.
@FinMilkku I asked you to give me one example on how Turkey is worse in an area which is a requirement to join the EU, while all you did is to give me 2 examples of which 1 doesn't have anything to do with Bulgaria nor Romania, while other is not compared to Bulgaria or Romania. Why don't you just say, that Turkey cant enter the EU cause France would veto it (Even trough Turkey does fulfill all the conditions). And Bulgaria and Romania don't violate human rights lol?
@FinMilkku Other then that Cyprus is fully located in Asia and has become a member of the EU, thus its clear that the EU is not limited by "continental geography", except for that (Overseas) territories of member states, which are not a part of the European continent, are a part of the EU, another proof that on the basis of geography no one can be excluded.
@Teranex Northern Cyprus, which is invaded by Turkey, has a Turkish population, but CYPRUS, the country, has Greek population. European culture is not a real term. but it is used, for example when you mean European cultures together. People usually think that culture, is what you eat, what you dance etc.. but its not. or it is, but the most important thing about culture, is history, and the way of life. 'European culture' contains stuff like, democracy and Christianity.
@FinMilkku And if we go by democracy Romania and Bulgaria are less democratic then Turkey is (Check the democracy index).
"contains stuff like, democracy and Christianity"-Democracy is a precondition to join the EU and thats exactly the reason why Turkey could apply for membership. While the EU has nothing to do with faith as we are a secular society, if you want a country which is based on Faith go live in America.
@Teranex Damn I should have put a trademark on enlighten me :p.Also Greece performed a military coup d'etat organized by a Greek dictatorial regime on Cyprus,hence the reaction from Turkey.
@Teranex yes there is. im not xenophobist, nor racist. im actually against all that shit, cause i know how it feels to be on the other side -.-.. The reason i don't want Turkey in the EUROPEAN union, is because Turkey is not Europe. if Turkey joined, it would be Eurasian union. and i want it to remain European.
@FinMilkku A) The definition used by the EU on what is European is not defined. As of current the definition used for European by the EU, is if a state is a member of the council of europe (Turkey is a member), thus turkey does classify as a European nation and thus was able to submit a membership proposal, while the membership proposal of Morocco was declined as the nation was defined as "not European".
@FinMilkku French and British territories outside of Europe have a special status,they're called overseas territories and are highly autonomous.Armenia and Georgia have shared land with Asia and Europe,get your facts right buddy,now you're just neglecting geography!
@EnlightenMePlease1 "Armenia and Georgia have shared land with Asia and Europe,"-The simpler way to put this argument is to say that Cyprus is a part of Asia (Geographically), thus a precedent of accepting a country into the Union which is not located on the European continental shelf was already made.
@EnlightenMePlease1 Ok, France and Britain were a little bad examples. But look at Egypt. It controls the Sinai peninsula, which is in Asia. Do you consider Egypt Asian?
@FinMilkku If Egypt has land on both Africa and Asia it means it can be both.But I think this is a bad example since Islam is not bound to one single continent.Also Turkey clearly has components of European history,such as Ancient Greece,Roman Empire,... So again Turkey has cultural and geographical traits of both Europe and Asia.
@EnlightenMePlease1 'Turkey clearly has components of European history,such as Ancient Greece,Roman Empire,... So again Turkey has cultural and geographical traits of both Europe and Asia.' No the land of Turkey was controlled by the Romans, and the Greek, but at that time there were no Turkish people in that area.
@FinMilkku That doesn't mean that certain cultural traits and heritage have been preserved.Turkey is even till this day under the influence of Europe + it has a portion of it's land in Europe, ergo Turkey is suitable to enter the EU.You're arguments are running out fast.
@EnlightenMePlease1 Turkey is not suitable to enter the union. there is a reason why Turkey is not yet in the union. and that is that Turkey has not fulfilled the requirements. and it will not fulfill them in the near future.
@FinMilkku Now you're just avoiding facts because of your own desire for Turkey not to enter in the EU.Do you think Albania,Bulgaria,...don't violate human rights?Turkey is far more eligible than those countries.You have a very twisted argumentation you know...
@FinMilkku You bet?So now you're just guessing?How about the massive discrimination of Roma in Bulgaria or the human trafficking?Are these core European values?C'mon now you're just embarrassing yourself.
@FinMilkku Oh please,it's quite obvious that you don't have real reasons to refuse Turkey, you've made that very clear in your posts.I still think that your issue is ethnicity and culture,you're borderline xenophobic
@EnlightenMePlease1 ok, i admit i pretty much lost this argument. But to be honest, i still don't want Turkey in the union. and the reason is, again i tell you, that i don't think Turkey is European. and this union is European. i do no have anything against Turkey, nor Islam, and im not xenophobic. would you want Alger in the union? or Libya? no. not because you have anything against them, but because this is an European union.
@EnlightenMePlease1 IT DOESN'T MATTER IF TURKEY HAS LAND IN EUROPE! i mean 1st of all, its like 1-2% of Turkey, and 2nd, i can draw lines on the map too if i want, and call the whole Russia Europe if a want! Its culture, and the way of life what makes you European.
@FinMilkku Wrong!If you draw lines on a map nobody would care,the fact is that a country that does have land in Europe is suitable for the EU.You're European culture argument is complete nonsens since Europe has many diverse cultures.Your idea of one culture/way of life has been tried before and look how that turned out "hint hint",I don't think I have to point out the obvious now do I?
@EnlightenMePlease1 lool... Look at Germany. look at USA. Germany was a group of fucking many little states before. each had its own Culture. When Germany united, People started talking about German culture. but still to this day, every state of Germany, has a little different culture. same with Europe. and btw, define the word 'Culture'.
@FinMilkku Cyprus is geographically an Asian country, with 100% of its territory in Asia. The EU was never about the boundaries of the European continent, religion, race, ethnicity, nationality and culture. The EU is a community of common values. Thus you cant exclude any country.
i want an European Superstate! Nationalism is destroying Europe! Europe will be bought from Asia if we don't unite. but however, I don't want mixing of the Europeans. because the beauty of Europe lies in its different cultures and people. Union and total mixing are not the same thing. (look for example at UK). I want every state of Europe to preserve some rights to control themselves. like the law. Not everything controlled from Brussels. And we need new leaders. the one we have now are corrupt.
we need an army in order to protect our global interests and expand our power.key point is to establish euro money in global trade and especialy in oil.geographicaly we have a great advantage casue we r near middle east and above afrika were the major oil supplies r and i know that will oppose usa but we can control em easily using our brains(europeans r great to that).delete nato and form an alliance with usa and rusia but using them for the interest of european ppl.EU strongest economy globaly
@vukasinthevule Just wait, soon the US national debt will be too high and that country will be bankrupt and the dollar will become worthless. Hopefully the EU and ECB will then realize that all money should be backed up by gold and make the Euro a currency that's backed up by gold so the same thing doesn't happen to Europe and the EU. When the US is bankrupt either Euro or RMB will become the international currency.
@zer0lis Not been to england then, don't you know its a muslim country already thanks to the Pope who is behind this forced intergration and destruction of nations with shared language a culture.
EU £46 milion a day sent to an unelected set of fraudsters who are shafting my country flooding it now with east europeans Do you know £200 million pounds a month in child benefit gets sent to poland where their kids live!!!
@zer0lis Turkey is a secular state, meaning there is a separation of power between church and state,you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
european union don't want's musulmans thats only the first....... we want russian to the fieldof technological,energy, political, and economic....
russia has the same economy with germany and in 5-10 years will de the digest in EU......has 160 milion residents 1,5 milion soldiers, its the digest country and good geographical ......you want more?
I think the EU should create an army where all Europeans can join, it will be like the UN but instead of keeping the peace after war we will go to war as a 1 million plus strong force, the EU nations have advanced and well trained army`s, i think it would be a good idea, it will make Europe`s power even greater. Who`s with me ?
@Elitepoosniff If there will be a war, all the armies of the EU member states will be united under one leadership. This will greatly outnumber even the army of the USA.
@Elitepoosniff The EU is much more powerful than the USA in many ways. But the foreign policy of the USA makes it seem otherwise. So I guess Europe is destined to rule the world once again :p
@ThexNaaru Empires rise and full, the British empire did just that and gave way to the US, the US will fall as superpower and give way to another superpower/hyperpower, which will be the EU, as the EU is rising as a political,military and a wealthy power, the EU is richer than the US and has a got economy.
@Elitepoosniff this will happen soon my friend very very soon. Once Europe get's their shit together no one will be able to contend with that Euro army,navy, airforce trust me
@ARC1313 we need Russia, Turkey and other military mights to join the EU.. Russia has 20k battle tanks and 20 million reserve troops, Turkey has a 1 million strong army and some Advanced US weaponry, and a fast growing economy plus Russia has most of the worlds Oil.
@Elitepoosniff I totally agree! We should at least raise very powerful ties with these 2 nations! However I think we should not let them get in on the Euro or have open borders with them! Not for now that is.
We shouldn't wait to long with this either. These countries can also be very powerful on their own. Not something we should seek to realize..
@Elitepoosniff I do however think we should restrain ourselves from war or policies based on war.. We should learn from our mistakes in the past and especially on the mistakes the US is making today!
We should keep up our policy of 'the worst thing we could do to a country is not let it join'..!
@TTFLS There are situations like the Isreal-Palestine problem or the Arab spring. If the EU would speak with one voice, we could have aided the arabian protesters and help them build their own government and we could enforce any peace plan for the Isreal-Palistinian conflict. One powerfull voice to subdue the forces of chaos.
@Elitepoosniff You think it would be a good idea to go to war?? It is people like you who are pushing for this that will be responsible for world war 3.
@EUrealitycheck1 No, with a military size 2nd to China the EU it it became a Hyperpower would be able to do more than would the US could ever of done in its hight, now the US is falling, and the EU and China rising, new power must take over, but those powers will be miltary powers, so we have to have the world best so that we stay the worlds best, you cant stop war, but you can win it, war is in are nature, its human, never going to change, and there will always be other Saddams.
@EUrealitycheck1 I agree, the EU should be a mediator and rely on diplomacy rather than gunfire.The reason people hate the USA is because of the same attidue as Elitepoosniff displays here.I would like a common EU army,but one that is used for humanitarian purposes.
THE EUROPEAN UNION IS THE MOST CIVILISED / INTELIGENT / ADVANCED / POWERFUL / DIVERSE CONTINENT EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND. AMERICAS FUCKED UP STATES CANT EVEN COMPARE TO THE 27 AMAZING COUNTRIES THAT EUROPE OWNS.
@fedrosspy Turkey is rich, it has a very good economy, and a huge Armed forces, if they joined the EU, even though there in the middle east, then the EU would be more powerful as it would have the biggest military in the world, and it would give the EU a wider political area and into the middle east, the EU economy would go up and most EU nations would benefit from it.
@EUofficial Ok I'm going to explain this again.Turkey is a democracy(not a perfect one,but still a democracy),2nd Turkey is and has been a secular state since Attaturk meaning that religious groups or figure have no power in the governement,the governement is elected by the people,so they definitely comply with European laws.3rd Yes there are Muslim extremists but it's just a small minority, might i remind you of European terroristic groups like the IRA,the ETA,...
@V3rciS YES! THANK GOD! i am from Cyprus. my grandfather died fighting those barbarians. they invited my country in 1974.. i hate them soooo much.. more that america! WwooWw
@Jun0w13 Turkey is not a member state from the EU but negotiations are in progress. Geographicly Turkey covers both Europe and Asia. I repeat my question what do you mean by we must own Istanbul again? Are you planning some military actions or something?
@EnlightenMePlease1 The part of Europe that Turkey occupies should be rightfully returned to Greece ASAP. Turkey is not geographically or ethnically European so shouldn't be considered. Morocco wasn't considered. Plus Turkey doesn't have anything we need and is way underdeveloped.
@ancestoralmemory Oh please,Turkey has lost almost all of it's territory after the Ottoman era.England still controls Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands,I don't hear you saying anything about that.Turkey is most certainly not underdeveloped,it is a rising regional power and controls strategic economic points like the Bosphorus(fyi the only way to get in and out the black sea),It is a bridge between Europe and Asia and therefore a very important country. Also Morocco is not in Europe,Turkey is.
@EnlightenMePlease1 Turkey (Anatolia) is NOT in Europe, only Thrace which is about 3% of Turkey's territory is in Europe, hardly enough to be considered for membership. Ever been to Turkey? It has bazaars, we don't have bazaars in Europe. Turkey is the most advanced Islamic country, but that isn't saying much at all lol.
Oh and Gibraltar should go back to Spain, and Shetland Is. back to Denmark, Dalmatia back to Italy etc.
@ancestoralmemory So that's your problem right?Turkey is Islamic.That's why you don't want them.I repeat Turkey is a rising economic power and could help improve relations with the middle east.They have a healthy economy with a low pûblic debt.About the bazaars,yeah we don't have bazaars.I'm from Belgium and we don't have bull fighting here,does that mean that Spain can't be in the EU?Your arguments are pathetic. 3% in Europe means that it is still in Europe,
Interesting video. Great images and important meaning of these slides. Europe is an important continent, beautiful and powerful land. Culture, knowledge, justice experience and equality, among other reasons, are driving this continent to the top of the world. Hope all the economical problems will be solved soon.
Its time for some EUtard to make "EU MegaAwesomeUltraPower" video, superpower and hyperpower is taken.....
EU is project that is doomed to fail. too many different nation, no factor for unifiying, unequal status of member states.
rimiserk 3 days ago
I am proud to be European ! Long live the EU..(with, i hope one day, a real federal system) :)
europeansupporter 4 days ago
go Europe ! From France
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1225MAGNA 3 weeks ago
lol my country has only 0.6% of world trade :(
teja722 3 weeks ago
@eunoway No, he's not on drugs...he just has hope.
millionaire1231 1 month ago
Let us proclaim, my brothers: We are French, we are German, we are British, we are Swedish, Dutch, Polish, Finnish, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian; but above all, we are European!
millionaire1231 1 month ago 3
@millionaire1231 I'm crying with joy
Luca111100 1 month ago
@Luca111100 Is that sarcasm?
millionaire1231 1 month ago
@millionaire1231 N, it' s the pure truth
Luca111100 1 month ago
@Luca111100 I am glad you think so- you are one European who sees realism, and light at the end of the tunnel :) For Europe :)
millionaire1231 1 month ago
Its EU time now!!
Modestasgailius 1 month ago
whele i would wahnt turkey in europe under one condition they must not turn to islam laws and be a politica state whyth freedom of choise .becas islam is liek a comunist state and i dont liek the things they doo.
1UL1U 1 month ago
Eu stand unite ! go europe , from france :)
Titouellap 1 month ago
@Titouellap Go europe! From germany
DenverYellowStone 1 month ago
If europe should unite it would be by far the biggest superpower in the world
MrPestlijer 1 month ago
When stop playing catchup to america then you called your selfs a superpower. esa, airbus and alikes are just mear copies of things that america had been doing long before the europeans came into the game.
juan2225ful 2 months ago
@juan2225ful, Americans are of European descent so think you got it the wrong way round, Europeans were playing the "game" long before the USA even existed, Nasa for example only got into space thanks to German science, engineering and her people and it was the Europeans (British) who built the first jet liners something the American firms later went on to dominate.
TheCharlie359 1 month ago
@juan2225ful You understand that the Americas consisted of European colonies up untill the 19th century? Your culture is inherited from Europe.
SternMann93 1 month ago 9
@chrisrogerrabbit do it jerusalem style and devide it down the middle. constantinople on the european side. istanbul on the turk side
CommanderMethos 2 months ago
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Teranex 3 months ago
anyone know the name of the song?
barbelotta 3 months ago
@barbelotta It is from Resident Evil, isn't it?
BohemiaPatriot 3 months ago
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Teranex 4 months ago
Turkey is fucking pathetic... They want to get in the EU, but are threatening the EU ( for the Cyprus thing ). I hope Turkey realizes that EU could crush Turkey in no time. They belong to the Thanksgiving Foodplates in USA anyway...
FinMilkku 5 months ago
@FinMilkku Wow,you're just too much buddy.You would win every debate with that kind of argument.Go educate yourself please.Allowing Turkey in the EU could accelerate a solution for Cyprus.And what is all this bullshit about crushing another country,Violence is not the European way.
EnlightenMePlease1 5 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 i know violence is not the European way. By crushing turkey, doesn't necessarily mean, to war on them. but if turkey keeps threatening the EU, we are not just gonna stand and hear them, right? that isn't the European way either. And about taking Turkey in the EU... you really want millions and millions of poor muslims in Europe? I hope you don't..
FinMilkku 5 months ago
@FinMilkku Ok first of all,turkey isn't threatening the EU,I don't know where you got this info?And Turkey has a higher gdp per capita than for example Serbia,Romania,...(All members or aspiring members of the EU).Again what I observe with your comment(and with many others) is the fact that they're Muslim that is frightening you.That's the real problem right?That's what you don't want.
EnlightenMePlease1 5 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 It read on the news, that Turkey is threatening the EU. It said that Turkey will freeze the relations if it gave chairmanship to Cyprus. And that was stupid, cause Turkey needs the EU more than EU needs Turkey. And no. The reason i don't want Turkey in the Union, is not that its Islamic, ( for example i would take in the union, Bosnia and Albania, who also are muslim ) but because its not European. Its Asian. It belongs to Asia, Not Europe. Just like Georgia, Armenia etc....
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku You do realize that Bosnia and Albania are much poorer than Turkey right.And you take " freezing relations" as a serious threat?Again Turkey has been a good ally for Europe and I think they should join the EU if they can comply with 3 criteria 1.Mutual agreement about Cyprus 2 Stop persecuting the Kurds 3 They have to do an effort on human rights and press freedom.
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 yes i do realize that Bosnia and Albania are much poorer than Turkey, but they are European. Its about the IDEA, not the money. And the news said, ''Turkey threatening the EU'' so..
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Turkey is(yes just a small part) on the European continent,so therefore they are qualified to be in the EU.And if you really think that money doesn't count then you're just being naive.Turkey is on the crossroads between Asia and Europe and a major regional player.Personally I have a bigger problem that Kazachstan(an authoritarian regime) is head of the EU defence council.Btw Armenia and Georgia also part of the european continent.
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 just because Turkey controls a little peace of Europe, doesn't mean its European. for example, France still controls a little part of South America ( french guiana ). That doesn't make France South American doesn't it? So no, if we want to keep the EU European, Turkey should not be a part of it. PS. Armenia and Georgia are NOT European. They are Asian. The 'Border' of Europe goes: From the Ural Mountains, to the Russian-Kazakhstan Border to the Black sea and Bosphorus.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku What is European is defined by the council of europe. As the EU defines countries as European if they are the member of the council of europe. Thus as Turkey is a member, they are evaluated as a European country. Europe can reach as far as we want it, race/culture/religion don't play a role in this desing. The motto united in diversity is there for a reason. If we go per the membership criteria for the EU, Turkey has much more of a reason to be a part of it then Bulgaria or Romania.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex ''Europe can reach as far as we want it, race/culture/religion don't play a role in this desing. '' What? you think Europe is just a peace of land? a continent? Culture, religion, and race plays a very big role in this design. Turkey is not Europe, end of story.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku "Culture, religion, and race plays a very big role in this"-"im not xenophobist, nor racist"-Then you are a hypocrite. Membership requirements don't state anything about culture, race or religion. Anyone who is willing to work for the greater good in the context of the European community is more then welcome to join. The EU is a concept for the future for something far greater to be limited to solely the geographical European continent or that it could exclude anyone.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex ''Anyone who is willing to work for the greater good in the context of the European community is more then welcome to join''. Well Turkey still controls an invaded part of EU member, Cyprus, and is not willing to give it back. what do you think about that? is that ''willing to work for the greater good in the context of the European community'' ? i don't understand why do you want Turkey in this union so badly.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku "what do you think about that"-If they want to join they will have to negotiate an solution as all members of the EU have to consent to their membership, which i dobut will happen without that (And the land was occupied beore cyprus joined the EU).
"why do you want Turkey"-You misunderstood me as it seems. I want anyone in the EU who is willing to work for the greater good of a union and fulfills the conditions for membership (Like Turkey does).
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex 'I want anyone in the EU who is willing to work for the greater good of a union and fulfills the conditions for membership (Like Turkey does).' well Turkey has MANY conditions to fulfill, before entering the union.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku "Turkey has MANY conditions to fulfill"-In comparison to Bulgaria and Romania, it has not. If you look at the membership requirements for any nation, you will see that Turkey is by far more competent to join the EU then Romania and Bulgaria were, when they joined, thus no, turkey doesn't have any major conditions to fulfill.
Teranex 4 months ago
@FinMilkku "CYPRUS, the country"-Cyprus the country had a turkish population ever since it was creted. The turkish population in cyprus is by far older then the country of cyprus.
A) Being Christian was never a condition to be an European. As the majority of europe is Agnostic/Atheist and not Christian. B) If by Christian you mean Christian values, then this argument is even weaker as EU doesn't support inequality of genders/religions and many other things the bible/pope advocates.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex lol you say that Turkey has fulfilled all the requirements to join the EU? more than Romania, and Bulgaria? dude check the requirements again, and the check what has Turkey fulfilled. there is a reason why Turkey is not in the union, you know? And no matter what you say, and what the council says, i still don't think Turkey is European, Geographically, nor Culturally. Cyprus ( Culturally ), Romania and Bulgaria are.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku "check the requirements again"-Tell me what are the requirements? Since you seem to be full of knowledge about the EU :D? Other then that you still utterly failed to define this European culture you boast so much about.
Per the definition of the council of europe (Of which the EU is lending its definition of European) turkey is a European country, no matter what you think. What did the Finns do, to deserve, to be called European? You don't even speak an indo-European language.
Teranex 4 months ago
@FinMilkku You got a very disturbed perception of things. There is no such thing as a European culture. You see things only black and white as you would like to percept them, but in reality there is a whole alot of Grey and that "blackens" gets a lot grayer then more the EU expands as other countries start to align to the values the EU is exerting upon them. Europe perhaps has borders, but the EU has not. Don't equalize the EU with Europe as they don't have a lot in common.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex you say that there is no european culture, but then how would you define culture. the peoples at diffrent ends of a country can be radically diffrent in many ways.
also the dividing line between europe and asia is traditionally along the ural mountains through the black sea and out the dardenells. turkey would therefore be primarily asian. that said they are still on the eurasian continental plate. also turkey is kept out due to human rights violations. last i heard that is.
CommanderMethos 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos " but then how would you define culture"-Thats exactly the point I am making here. Europe has no "European culture" it has numerous different cultures. The motto "united in diversity" is there for a reason.
"along the ural mountains"-I aware of the fact, thanks. Yet geographically seen there is no border between Asia and europe, its one continent all in all. Other then that Cyprus a country which is fully in Asia is a member of the EU thus this argument has no weight anymore
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex yes but that doesnt awnser the question. if we look at it another way what is british culture. is it the eastend style of living the essex style of living, is it the culture of the jordys of newcastle or the scots or the welsh. if you say there is no european culture becasue there are diffrences between the peoples of europe you would have to by extension reason that there was no british or german culture. or any other form of national culture.
CommanderMethos 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos So define this European culture without excluding any of the states which are the members of the EU. There are NO cultural criteria to join the EU, so its even futile to say that someone cant join because of his "un-european" culture.
Teranex 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos While it is true that the EU is promoting certain values (Like democracy) its by no means promoting a culture. Once again I will repeat the EU is not Europe or vice-versa. Culture is a term which has little to do with the EU other then the "united in diversity" concept which is the motto of the EU. Thus claiming that someone is un-European is like saying that he is un-British (If a british person says that) as everyone will define the European culture per his own "normality"
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex i never said the EU was europe. the EU is a ruling goverenment body for europe yes. but my point was that there can if britian france or germany is considered to have a national culture and that culture is made up of lots of diffrent cultures then there must be, by definition, a european culture.
CommanderMethos 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos "EU was europe"-I never claimed so, yet i had to emphasize it when it came to the question of the European culture.
"a european culture"-I did hear about the German culture and the French culture, yet in never heard a definition of European culture. As there is no European culture. As that would imply that there are certain features in all European cultures which are universal. While that is far from being true.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex well for a star there are pubs. certain types of food such as bread alot of shared history and a common religious background.
CommanderMethos 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos A)At no point in history was europe a Christian continent, if you mean that by saying common religious background B) Bread is not a european phenomenom, the food is known by many civilizations troughout the world under different names (lavashs, taboons, sangaks, pita...) . The "modern"-"sliced bread" was not "invented" any sooner then 1912.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex i was naming "certain features that are universal". and you have to admit the christianity was a very powerful religion throughout europe.especially durng the time of the tutonic knights.
CommanderMethos 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos "certain features that are universal"-How is bread universal to europe as i have clarly shown otherwise? The things you named are universal for the majority of the civilizations in existence of that time.
"the christianity was a very powerful religion"-I never claimed otherwise, yet you claimed Europeans have a common religious background with which i cant agree on. Not to forget that Islam also had a powerful grip on europe at that time.
Teranex 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos I can also say that the Arabs have a common religious background in Christianity, which was practiced in the majority of the middle east and north Africa before the Islamic conquests. Does that make them a part of the European culture? Or what about Ethiopia which is one of the oldest Christian countries in existence, do they have a European culture?
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex thats like saying there is no diffrence between american and british culture because we speak the same language.
CommanderMethos 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos You claimed there exists something called "European culture". Yet something like that doesn't exist. We are different in language, culture, religion, ethnicity, there are no universalities which would bind europe. And thats exactly what makes this continent so great. And as per the EU, we are united in diversity, giving the best of every nation for the common good of all who are willing to participate in this project (Even the Turks).
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex you cant use culture when trying to disprove culture. thats just bad argument skills. but very well i shall ceed this point.
CommanderMethos 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos Well we are talking about the existence of a theoretic culture, called European culture. Could you give me a definition of European culture which wouldn't exclude any "European"nation (Note that what is "European" is also nowhere clearly defined, even the "border" of the European Continent is actually disputed as there are more then 5 definitions).
Teranex 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos (My university program gives a great deal of attention on studying the EU and everything connected to it, thats why what we are discussing here is a very valid discussion in my study programme. Per my opinion a universal European culture doesn't exist and if it ever exists then something went terribly wrong in the European project as a whole. Yet I do agree that the EU is trying to build common European values).
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex ive never looked at it that way before.
CommanderMethos 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos C) "pubs"-do you claim that those were exclusive to europe? Thats like saying universities were an invention of Europeans while similar institutions were also known in the Islamic world. This is a very euro-centric, pro-western approach.
Teranex 4 months ago
@CommanderMethos Other then that, people seem to forget that Europe is not the EU and vice versa. Turkey is being kept out cause of France (The real unofficial reason). If you compare Bulgaria with Turkey in the context of the EU membership criteria you will see that Turkey is by far more eligible to join.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex dude listen to this guy @CommanderMethos ... he said what i had to say. and why should i tell you the requirements? go look for them yourself.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku I already replied to what he said, so you are welocme to say somthing.
"go look for them yourself"-You said that per the membership requirements Turkey is not more eligible to join then Bulgaria (was) in comparison. I asked you per which? So can i receive an answerer?
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex actually you said first that Turkey is more eligible to join the union, than Romania, and Bulgaria. And i ask you, which requirements hasn't Romania and Bulgaria fulfilled, and Turkey has.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku "Romania and Bulgaria fulfilled, and Turkey has."-You either dont know what the word "eligible" means or you dont know what the "conditions" are to join the EU. Or you wouldnt say "which requirements hasn't Romania and Bulgaria fulfilled". So thanks for proving this. Other then that, check the Copenhagen criteria.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex can you back up your claims(that Turkey is eligible to join the EU), first before starting new subjects?
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Yes i can. One condition for entry into the EU is the ability to compete in the European market. Turkey is by far more capable to do so with a bigger industry and GDP per capita, then Bulgaria and Romania are. Here is one example. Now i request once example from your side.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex Human rights. theres one. The problem with Cyprus. theres two.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku You are avoiding the question.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex how?
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku I asked you to give me one example on how Turkey is worse in an area which is a requirement to join the EU, while all you did is to give me 2 examples of which 1 doesn't have anything to do with Bulgaria nor Romania, while other is not compared to Bulgaria or Romania. Why don't you just say, that Turkey cant enter the EU cause France would veto it (Even trough Turkey does fulfill all the conditions). And Bulgaria and Romania don't violate human rights lol?
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex Romania and Bulgaria violates human rights less than Turkey. And im happy that France used their veto against Turkey.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Even France did violate the human rights, by their expulsion of the Roma of their country. Which was condemned by the EU.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex yeah but at least they didn't practice genocides, like Turkey did.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Countries which did commit a genocide (or etnocide) in Europe:
-Germany
-Hungary
-Russians
-Serbs
-Italy
-Romanians
(list continues-but you get the point that the argument is not valid)
"human rights less than Turkey"-How do you know that, you didn't even know that they did violate human rights in the first place.
"France used their veto"-They never did actually, but they mostly probably would.
Teranex 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Other then that Cyprus is fully located in Asia and has become a member of the EU, thus its clear that the EU is not limited by "continental geography", except for that (Overseas) territories of member states, which are not a part of the European continent, are a part of the EU, another proof that on the basis of geography no one can be excluded.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex Cyprus is culturally European. Greek.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku I never heard for a definition of a European culture, please enlighten me (And Cyprus is also Turk, which you seem to forget).
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex Northern Cyprus, which is invaded by Turkey, has a Turkish population, but CYPRUS, the country, has Greek population. European culture is not a real term. but it is used, for example when you mean European cultures together. People usually think that culture, is what you eat, what you dance etc.. but its not. or it is, but the most important thing about culture, is history, and the way of life. 'European culture' contains stuff like, democracy and Christianity.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
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Teranex 4 months ago
@FinMilkku And if we go by democracy Romania and Bulgaria are less democratic then Turkey is (Check the democracy index).
"contains stuff like, democracy and Christianity"-Democracy is a precondition to join the EU and thats exactly the reason why Turkey could apply for membership. While the EU has nothing to do with faith as we are a secular society, if you want a country which is based on Faith go live in America.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex Damn I should have put a trademark on enlighten me :p.Also Greece performed a military coup d'etat organized by a Greek dictatorial regime on Cyprus,hence the reaction from Turkey.
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@FinMilkku There is no real argument to not let turkey join other then xenophobia and racism.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex yes there is. im not xenophobist, nor racist. im actually against all that shit, cause i know how it feels to be on the other side -.-.. The reason i don't want Turkey in the EUROPEAN union, is because Turkey is not Europe. if Turkey joined, it would be Eurasian union. and i want it to remain European.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku A) The definition used by the EU on what is European is not defined. As of current the definition used for European by the EU, is if a state is a member of the council of europe (Turkey is a member), thus turkey does classify as a European nation and thus was able to submit a membership proposal, while the membership proposal of Morocco was declined as the nation was defined as "not European".
Teranex 4 months ago
@FinMilkku French and British territories outside of Europe have a special status,they're called overseas territories and are highly autonomous.Armenia and Georgia have shared land with Asia and Europe,get your facts right buddy,now you're just neglecting geography!
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 "Armenia and Georgia have shared land with Asia and Europe,"-The simpler way to put this argument is to say that Cyprus is a part of Asia (Geographically), thus a precedent of accepting a country into the Union which is not located on the European continental shelf was already made.
Teranex 4 months ago
@Teranex What he said ;)
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 Ok, France and Britain were a little bad examples. But look at Egypt. It controls the Sinai peninsula, which is in Asia. Do you consider Egypt Asian?
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku If Egypt has land on both Africa and Asia it means it can be both.But I think this is a bad example since Islam is not bound to one single continent.Also Turkey clearly has components of European history,such as Ancient Greece,Roman Empire,... So again Turkey has cultural and geographical traits of both Europe and Asia.
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 'Turkey clearly has components of European history,such as Ancient Greece,Roman Empire,... So again Turkey has cultural and geographical traits of both Europe and Asia.' No the land of Turkey was controlled by the Romans, and the Greek, but at that time there were no Turkish people in that area.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku That doesn't mean that certain cultural traits and heritage have been preserved.Turkey is even till this day under the influence of Europe + it has a portion of it's land in Europe, ergo Turkey is suitable to enter the EU.You're arguments are running out fast.
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 Turkey is not suitable to enter the union. there is a reason why Turkey is not yet in the union. and that is that Turkey has not fulfilled the requirements. and it will not fulfill them in the near future.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Now you're just avoiding facts because of your own desire for Turkey not to enter in the EU.Do you think Albania,Bulgaria,...don't violate human rights?Turkey is far more eligible than those countries.You have a very twisted argumentation you know...
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 no i bet bulgaria doesn't violate human rights. otherwise they wouldn't be in the union.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku You bet?So now you're just guessing?How about the massive discrimination of Roma in Bulgaria or the human trafficking?Are these core European values?C'mon now you're just embarrassing yourself.
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 and still Bulgaria, and Romania are in the union. But Turkey isn't and it will not be for sure, for at least another 20 years.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Oh please,it's quite obvious that you don't have real reasons to refuse Turkey, you've made that very clear in your posts.I still think that your issue is ethnicity and culture,you're borderline xenophobic
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 ok, i admit i pretty much lost this argument. But to be honest, i still don't want Turkey in the union. and the reason is, again i tell you, that i don't think Turkey is European. and this union is European. i do no have anything against Turkey, nor Islam, and im not xenophobic. would you want Alger in the union? or Libya? no. not because you have anything against them, but because this is an European union.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Again Turkey does have land in Europe,Algeria and Libya do not!I think you're pretty lost on this argument too.
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 IT DOESN'T MATTER IF TURKEY HAS LAND IN EUROPE! i mean 1st of all, its like 1-2% of Turkey, and 2nd, i can draw lines on the map too if i want, and call the whole Russia Europe if a want! Its culture, and the way of life what makes you European.
FinMilkku 4 months ago
@FinMilkku Wrong!If you draw lines on a map nobody would care,the fact is that a country that does have land in Europe is suitable for the EU.You're European culture argument is complete nonsens since Europe has many diverse cultures.Your idea of one culture/way of life has been tried before and look how that turned out "hint hint",I don't think I have to point out the obvious now do I?
EnlightenMePlease1 4 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 lool... Look at Germany. look at USA. Germany was a group of fucking many little states before. each had its own Culture. When Germany united, People started talking about German culture. but still to this day, every state of Germany, has a little different culture. same with Europe. and btw, define the word 'Culture'.
FinMilkku 4 months ago 12
@FinMilkku Well said!
millionaire1231 1 month ago
@FinMilkku EU fucks the US!!
Headhunter3000000000 1 week ago
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@FinMilkku Cyprus is geographically an Asian country, with 100% of its territory in Asia. The EU was never about the boundaries of the European continent, religion, race, ethnicity, nationality and culture. The EU is a community of common values. Thus you cant exclude any country.
Teranex 3 months ago
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Teranex 3 months ago
And NO Turkey in the union! Turkey is not Europe. Turkey has been a great enemy to Europeans, and still is! ( Cyprus, Constantinopole etc.. )
I would rather have Russia in the Union than Turkey, Since Russians are at least Europeans...
FinMilkku 5 months ago
i want an European Superstate! Nationalism is destroying Europe! Europe will be bought from Asia if we don't unite. but however, I don't want mixing of the Europeans. because the beauty of Europe lies in its different cultures and people. Union and total mixing are not the same thing. (look for example at UK). I want every state of Europe to preserve some rights to control themselves. like the law. Not everything controlled from Brussels. And we need new leaders. the one we have now are corrupt.
FinMilkku 5 months ago
We all have to feel more European to get a political union!!!
TheMacpad 5 months ago
No turkey in the european union
DR5996 5 months ago
we need an army in order to protect our global interests and expand our power.key point is to establish euro money in global trade and especialy in oil.geographicaly we have a great advantage casue we r near middle east and above afrika were the major oil supplies r and i know that will oppose usa but we can control em easily using our brains(europeans r great to that).delete nato and form an alliance with usa and rusia but using them for the interest of european ppl.EU strongest economy globaly
itachiitachi1946 6 months ago
god bless our europe
xhouxtenx 6 months ago
the eu has sadly become the USA's lapdog... a real shame it had great potential
vukasinthevule 6 months ago
@vukasinthevule Just wait, soon the US national debt will be too high and that country will be bankrupt and the dollar will become worthless. Hopefully the EU and ECB will then realize that all money should be backed up by gold and make the Euro a currency that's backed up by gold so the same thing doesn't happen to Europe and the EU. When the US is bankrupt either Euro or RMB will become the international currency.
DENlERU 6 months ago
No to turkey and to muslim invasion!
zer0lis 6 months ago
@zer0lis Not been to england then, don't you know its a muslim country already thanks to the Pope who is behind this forced intergration and destruction of nations with shared language a culture.
EU £46 milion a day sent to an unelected set of fraudsters who are shafting my country flooding it now with east europeans Do you know £200 million pounds a month in child benefit gets sent to poland where their kids live!!!
EU has not been audited for over 11 years!!
JacquesBeard 6 months ago
@zer0lis Turkey is a secular state, meaning there is a separation of power between church and state,you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
EnlightenMePlease1 6 months ago
We are and have always been strongest. We created everything good in on this earth
dedder15 8 months ago
Go away turkey...
MrGabriukas 9 months ago
Long Live Europe from UK
OnlineOptic 10 months ago
european union don't want's musulmans thats only the first....... we want russian to the fieldof technological,energy, political, and economic....
russia has the same economy with germany and in 5-10 years will de the digest in EU......has 160 milion residents 1,5 milion soldiers, its the digest country and good geographical ......you want more?
1994boyka 11 months ago
I think the EU should create an army where all Europeans can join, it will be like the UN but instead of keeping the peace after war we will go to war as a 1 million plus strong force, the EU nations have advanced and well trained army`s, i think it would be a good idea, it will make Europe`s power even greater. Who`s with me ?
Elitepoosniff 1 year ago 26
@Elitepoosniff
See this video on my channel: European Union's Common Security and Defence Policy
EUofficial 1 year ago 5
@Elitepoosniff If there will be a war, all the armies of the EU member states will be united under one leadership. This will greatly outnumber even the army of the USA.
ThexNaaru 9 months ago
@ThexNaaru The EU military is 1.8 million, second to China, but that 1.8 is only army, not including naval and air, just ground forces.
Elitepoosniff 9 months ago
@Elitepoosniff The EU is much more powerful than the USA in many ways. But the foreign policy of the USA makes it seem otherwise. So I guess Europe is destined to rule the world once again :p
ThexNaaru 9 months ago
@ThexNaaru Empires rise and full, the British empire did just that and gave way to the US, the US will fall as superpower and give way to another superpower/hyperpower, which will be the EU, as the EU is rising as a political,military and a wealthy power, the EU is richer than the US and has a got economy.
Elitepoosniff 9 months ago
@Elitepoosniff this will happen soon my friend very very soon. Once Europe get's their shit together no one will be able to contend with that Euro army,navy, airforce trust me
ARC1313 9 months ago
@ARC1313 we need Russia, Turkey and other military mights to join the EU.. Russia has 20k battle tanks and 20 million reserve troops, Turkey has a 1 million strong army and some Advanced US weaponry, and a fast growing economy plus Russia has most of the worlds Oil.
Elitepoosniff 9 months ago
@Elitepoosniff it won't be Russia but trust me my friend the Old Roman Confederate Union will rise and the world will witness a powerful force
ARC1313 9 months ago
@Elitepoosniff I totally agree! We should at least raise very powerful ties with these 2 nations! However I think we should not let them get in on the Euro or have open borders with them! Not for now that is.
We shouldn't wait to long with this either. These countries can also be very powerful on their own. Not something we should seek to realize..
TTFLS 9 months ago
@Elitepoosniff I do however think we should restrain ourselves from war or policies based on war.. We should learn from our mistakes in the past and especially on the mistakes the US is making today!
We should keep up our policy of 'the worst thing we could do to a country is not let it join'..!
TTFLS 9 months ago
@TTFLS There are situations like the Isreal-Palestine problem or the Arab spring. If the EU would speak with one voice, we could have aided the arabian protesters and help them build their own government and we could enforce any peace plan for the Isreal-Palistinian conflict. One powerfull voice to subdue the forces of chaos.
mdsatan 8 months ago
@Elitepoosniff You think it would be a good idea to go to war?? It is people like you who are pushing for this that will be responsible for world war 3.
EUrealitycheck1 7 months ago
@EUrealitycheck1 No, with a military size 2nd to China the EU it it became a Hyperpower would be able to do more than would the US could ever of done in its hight, now the US is falling, and the EU and China rising, new power must take over, but those powers will be miltary powers, so we have to have the world best so that we stay the worlds best, you cant stop war, but you can win it, war is in are nature, its human, never going to change, and there will always be other Saddams.
Elitepoosniff 7 months ago
@Elitepoosniff all that shit your sniffing is clouding your judgement and making you incredibly stupid.
JacquesBeard 6 months ago
@EUrealitycheck1 I agree, the EU should be a mediator and rely on diplomacy rather than gunfire.The reason people hate the USA is because of the same attidue as Elitepoosniff displays here.I would like a common EU army,but one that is used for humanitarian purposes.
EnlightenMePlease1 6 months ago
russia must decome a european state
1994boyka 1 year ago
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THE EUROPEAN UNION IS THE MOST CIVILISED / INTELIGENT / ADVANCED / POWERFUL / DIVERSE CONTINENT EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND. AMERICAS FUCKED UP STATES CANT EVEN COMPARE TO THE 27 AMAZING COUNTRIES THAT EUROPE OWNS.
tra123123123 1 year ago
EU will conquare the world...
Turkey out of the EU... they still military occupy one part of Cyprus an EU member, we should kick them out of there and let Cyprus be free again.
V3rciS 1 year ago 10
@V3rciS
We do not want turkey !
EUofficial 1 year ago 14
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Yea but now they are speaking with Germany about joining the EU... .fucking muslims want to destroy the whole world...
V3rciS 1 year ago
@V3rciS You mean we want Turkey to be in the EU because they have a 1 million strong army and a fast growing economy ...
Elitepoosniff 1 year ago
@Elitepoosniff no. they must not.. Europe doesn't need Mongolian undermined non democracy turks..
fedrosspy 10 months ago
@fedrosspy Turkey is rich, it has a very good economy, and a huge Armed forces, if they joined the EU, even though there in the middle east, then the EU would be more powerful as it would have the biggest military in the world, and it would give the EU a wider political area and into the middle east, the EU economy would go up and most EU nations would benefit from it.
Elitepoosniff 10 months ago
@Elitepoosniff ok. if they let go my country i will have no problem about them joining EU.but they wont so...
fedrosspy 10 months ago
@Elitepoosniff
I'm agree with you my european comrade but european people don't like the states with 98% of muslim like turkey for exemple!
I'm Christian, but Muslims not bother me anymore.
however sometimes Muslims are violent !
For exemple: In Saudi Arabia if you are a Christian you are condemned to death !!!
So if turkey join EU they just have to comply with European laws !!!!!!
EUofficial 10 months ago
@EUofficial Ok I'm going to explain this again.Turkey is a democracy(not a perfect one,but still a democracy),2nd Turkey is and has been a secular state since Attaturk meaning that religious groups or figure have no power in the governement,the governement is elected by the people,so they definitely comply with European laws.3rd Yes there are Muslim extremists but it's just a small minority, might i remind you of European terroristic groups like the IRA,the ETA,...
EnlightenMePlease1 5 months ago
@Elitepoosniff
It's a beautiful, clear sunny day so I'm going to cycle.
Have a good day to all European citizens ; )
EUofficial 10 months ago
@V3rciS YES! THANK GOD! i am from Cyprus. my grandfather died fighting those barbarians. they invited my country in 1974.. i hate them soooo much.. more that america! WwooWw
fedrosspy 10 months ago
@V3rciS no turkey over million strong
but they occupy constantinopel (istanbul)
we must own that city again and we wil be far greater than now
Jun0w13 6 months ago
What do you mean by"we must own that city again" ?Are you being nostalgic about the crusades or something?
EnlightenMePlease1 6 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 turkey is not euro they are not from EU
Jun0w13 5 months ago
@Jun0w13 Turkey is not a member state from the EU but negotiations are in progress. Geographicly Turkey covers both Europe and Asia. I repeat my question what do you mean by we must own Istanbul again? Are you planning some military actions or something?
EnlightenMePlease1 5 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 The part of Europe that Turkey occupies should be rightfully returned to Greece ASAP. Turkey is not geographically or ethnically European so shouldn't be considered. Morocco wasn't considered. Plus Turkey doesn't have anything we need and is way underdeveloped.
ancestoralmemory 5 months ago
@ancestoralmemory Oh please,Turkey has lost almost all of it's territory after the Ottoman era.England still controls Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands,I don't hear you saying anything about that.Turkey is most certainly not underdeveloped,it is a rising regional power and controls strategic economic points like the Bosphorus(fyi the only way to get in and out the black sea),It is a bridge between Europe and Asia and therefore a very important country. Also Morocco is not in Europe,Turkey is.
EnlightenMePlease1 5 months ago
@EnlightenMePlease1 Turkey (Anatolia) is NOT in Europe, only Thrace which is about 3% of Turkey's territory is in Europe, hardly enough to be considered for membership. Ever been to Turkey? It has bazaars, we don't have bazaars in Europe. Turkey is the most advanced Islamic country, but that isn't saying much at all lol.
Oh and Gibraltar should go back to Spain, and Shetland Is. back to Denmark, Dalmatia back to Italy etc.
Stop trolling!!
ancestoralmemory 5 months ago
@ancestoralmemory So that's your problem right?Turkey is Islamic.That's why you don't want them.I repeat Turkey is a rising economic power and could help improve relations with the middle east.They have a healthy economy with a low pûblic debt.About the bazaars,yeah we don't have bazaars.I'm from Belgium and we don't have bull fighting here,does that mean that Spain can't be in the EU?Your arguments are pathetic. 3% in Europe means that it is still in Europe,
EnlightenMePlease1 5 months ago
Interesting video. Great images and important meaning of these slides. Europe is an important continent, beautiful and powerful land. Culture, knowledge, justice experience and equality, among other reasons, are driving this continent to the top of the world. Hope all the economical problems will be solved soon.
orangewoman671 1 year ago