Testimony of LDS Prophet & Mormon Founder Joseph Smith

[1830LivingLDS]

Our beloved Prophet stayed strong and faithful, despite the hate he got. He is like the Apostles of old who kept their testimony of Christ and what they say, despited being hated. And they all payed with their lives.

[StorminMormin91]

There are plenty of faithful members and members of other faiths who are great scientists.

Just because you have taken science to be your deity does not mean you have to make bad arguments or demean others.

[captainmaveric]

anyone that believes in the book of mormon, and to a lesser extent the bible, knows NOTHING about science

[StorminMormin91]

Well isn't that presumptuous and illogical.

I wonder how you know about science if you can't even understand logic and reasoning as it applies to math and the sciences?

[AcademicTheologian]

Praise be the man who has communed with Jehovah.

[smithbyu]

True servant of Christ

[lds9999]

I'm sorry I didn't approve your comments according to your timetable. I have comments pending approval because I do filter out those that are profane, vulgar, or spam. With more than 400 videos, there are a LOT of those everyday.

I am amazed at how quickly people jump to conclusions without any reason to do so.

[RPM11111]

Apologies. We were going back and forth then nothing. Why have the approval gadget switched on anyway. Just delete the spam when it comes, no?

[lds9999]

I find it easier to do it this way and that way it doesn't clutter up the videos when I don't have time right then to get rid of it. Some of it can be pretty vulgar too.

[RPM11111]

Fair enough. Apologies again.

[lds9999]

No problem.

[RPM11111]

If you don't post the previous message it merely proves your denomination works on mind and information control. Let your people see and choose. Peace to you.

[lds9999]

What a silly comment.

[RPM11111]

Yes, you're probably right, but I only said this because it's happened before. Sorry if you felt it was offensive. Peace.

[RPM11111]

2 Corinthians 11:...another jesus...a different gospel...Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. Open your eyes dear Mormons. Don't be decieved by feelings, traditions, emotional stories and movies or doctrines of demons. The book of Mormon was dictated to JS by decieving spirits. Check everything against the Bible. The Gospel of Jesus is simple but the LDS church have complicated it and appeal to your emotions and flesh to keep you ensnared - the blind leading the blind. Peace to you.

[lds9999]

Jesus taught that the Comforter He would send would teach us all things. It is through the testimony of the Holy Ghost that we come to know the truth--that Jesus is the Christ, that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are the word of God, and that we have living prophets who lead us today.

[RPM11111]

I can accept that the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth (1 John 2:27), but it is also written we should first search the Scriptures (Bible) to check if these things be so (Acts 17:10-11). I'm afraid for you, sir and all your LDS friends and family, that much of what is taught in the LDS church can niether be found in the Bible or in early Church history. I repeat - another gospel...another jesus. Come out of her. Peace

[lds9999]

Do you believe that every single truth is contained in the Bible? Personally, I don't. And actually, either did John as he wrote, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

Absolutely search the scriptures and make sure that doctrines are scripturally sound, but just because it is not included in the Bible does not mean it can't be doctrine.

[RPM11111]

1 Corinthians 4:6 "I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written..." 2 Corinthians 10:5 "We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ..." Colossians 2:18

"Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind..." Wake-up

[lds9999]

Let's take the 1 Corinthians 4:6 as an example. When Paul wrote that, the Bible had not yet been compiled. In fact, some books of the Bible had not yet even been written. Should those writings be disqualified?

And since Paul was not a part of the compilation of the Bible, how do you know he was referring to only the books that were included?

Fortunately, the Lord continues to bless His children with modern-day revelation through a living prophet!

[Tones91]

Amen to that. There is nothing that can be said against a personal testimony.

[CashPresley32]

The scriptures are the Bible, Book Of Mormon, Doctrine And Covenants and Pearl Of Great Price, also in the scriptures of the Book Of Mormon, Doctrine And Covenants and Pearl Of Great Price there are scriptural references to the Bible.

[RPM11111]

CashPresley32 -

Hmmm! That's the whole problem isn't it?The BoM etc are not Holy Scripture. They present another gospel. They are inspired, but not by the Holy Spirit. Every cult has the same markings - they either: Change the Bible; Add to the Bible; Discard parts of the Bible; Challenge the Bible's sufficiency and accuracy; and/or Twist Scripture out of context. The LDS church are guilty of at least 3 of these heretical practices.

With all due respect, that's the simple facts.

[lds9999]

Change the Bible? Nope - our KJV text is the same as any other King James Version.

Add to the Bible? Nope - Book of Mormon is not an addition to the Bible, it's more revealed scripture from God.

Discard parts of the Bible? Nope - please see first answer.

Challenge the Bible's sufficiency and accuracy -- Nope, but we're willing to accept more of God's word when He reveals it!

Twist scripture out of context -- Nope, we think context is incredibly important!

[RPM11111]

lds9999 -

Indeeeeeed! Of course, YOU see it that way.

Simple maths lesson:

If I have 5 items (sweet apples) and I add 2 other items (rotten apples) then that equals 7 items.

So, to summarize - if I have more than I started with, then I've added to the original amount.

Application: The same Holy Spirit who inspired those who penned the Bible, moved men to close canon on the 66 books of the Bible.

cont...

[lds9999]

So you believe that the Bible is the only scripture that can be given by God?

Isn't that putting artificial limits on God? If He wants to give more scripture, can't He?

[RPM11111]

lds9999 -

It's not that GOD can't 'add' more Scriptures - it's that HE won't. Especially if it isn't congruent with the existing texts. Especially if it contradicts Holy Scripture. Especially if it mirrors the 'fall' in the garden. Didn't satan say to Eve, "you will not surely die. If you eat of the fruit in the midst of the garden you will be like GOD'? Isn't that the promise to you and all mormons - 'join us, do what we ask, jump through our hoops and you will be a GOD some day? Isn't it? Yes!

[killapyro18]

Jesus the Christ in his earthly ministry said "be as, I am" "so that we can obtain the kindom of heaven" he said this to his followers. And you say that the BOM doesnt congruent with the Bible? Its clear that you havent read the BOM, but you also havent read the Bible.

[RPM11111]

lds9999-

Application cont...

Let's say the Bible is the sweet apples.

Along comes Joseph Smith with the BoM etc ., and we will say these are the rotten apples for ilustration, and he testifies that these are also (more) Holy Scripture. He has now attempted to add to the Bible (e.g., another testament).

Making sense?

However, we know that the BoM is not congruent with the Bible, so we reject it.

Analogy, we know that one bad apple can ruin the cart, so we reject the rotten ones.

[lds9999]

Have you ever read the Book of Mormon in its entirety?

The key is that Joseph Smith didn't "add to the Bible". The Lord gave more of His scripture through ancient prophets--Joseph Smith was just the translator.

We invite everybody to read the Book of Mormon for themselves and truly find out whether it is congruent with the Bible or not. We invite people to pray and ask God whether it is true.

Sadly, people are more likely to rely on other people's opinions who have never even read it.

[RPM11111]

lds9999 -

Have you ever read the entire Bible? Who ever needed to read the entire Bible to believe the Gospel? Some people just 'heard' the Gospel and believed. Others checked it against the existing Holy Scriptures (OT) and found it to be true, a fulfillment of prophecy.

So, I don't need to read the entire BoM or pray about it to believe it. I just compare it to the original (Bible) and I can see it doesn't square up. To pray about it is like saying to GOD, I won't take YOU at YOUR Word.

[lds9999]

Yes, I have read the entire Bible.

I believe that if you are going to try to act like an expert on a topic, then you should be very knowledgeable about it. By (silently) admitting to not reading the Book of Mormon, you show that you rely more on second-hand sources than your own personal research.

That makes a big difference.

[RPM11111]

You missed the point above. Surely you can read the comment in it's entirety!?

I don't need to read the entire BoM or be an expert - once you've heard a little heresy, then the need to read it all or pray about it diminshes.

I haven't read all of the Koran, but I know that is heretical and not from GOD.

By your position, we all would need to read every so called holy book entirely, then pray about it to see if it's true.

You, me and just about everyone knows that is just nonsense.

[lds9999]

I think probably the thing that I have found the most interesting in my conversations on Youtube is how frequently other Christians try to persuade people NOT to pray.

Do they not trust prayer? Or are they scared that the answer might not be convenient for them? I believe they are worried that people might receive the answer that the Book of Mormon is true, just like millions of people already have!

[RPM11111]

Still missing the point then?

Have you read entirely and prayed about the Koran, the Vedas, the Bhagavad Gita, Confusius? Likely honest answer - NO!

If not, why not? How do you know they don't contain the whole truth? You know they are not the whole truth just by the little info you have on them. Your philosophy is superficial and merely exposes the desparate mormon strategy of 'unwittingly' enslaving people with the same deception you have been duped with. Deny GOD & pray to another spirit.

[lds9999]

I haven't read (all) of those, you're absolutely right. But I have read the Book of Mormon and I have prayed about it. And I have received an answer. (I similarly do not pretend to be an expert on those other books or belief systems, like many critics of the LDS Church do, even when they have little first-hand knowledge).

The point is many Christians are adamantly AGAINST people praying to know if it is true. I don't think Christians should ever be against prayer!

[RPM11111]

lds9999- You know, and must admit, if you are convinced the BoM is the most correct book, then you needn't be an expert in the Koran, the Vedas, the Bhagavad Gita, etc., to determine that they are not correct - they can't all be correct because they conflict with each other. So, you won't waste your time reading and praying about them.

By default, you are saying they are wrong because you are covinced of the BoM as the most correct book. You place yoursel in quite a predicament to deny this.

[lds9999]

The fault in that logic is it is based on the assumption that the Book of Mormon conflicts with the Bible, which it does not.

[RPM11111]

Really?

What about 'eternal progression' in light of Genesis 3 and Isaiah 43:10-11.

You believe that you can become a GOD some day. In Gen 3 that's what the serpent offered to Eve in exchange for defiance of GOD. The seduction of Eve with this temptation brought sin into the world. How can you possibly think it's different for lds members? Isaiah 43:10 says "...before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."

[lds9999]

We believe that the apostle Peters biblical reference to partaking of the divine nature & the apostle Pauls reference to being 'joint heirs with Christ' reflect the intent that children of God should strive to emulate their Heavenly Father in every way. Mormons believe, they will reverence and worship God the Father and Jesus Christ eternally. The goal is not to equal them or to achieve parity with them but to imitate and someday acquire their perfect goodness, love and other divine attributes

[RPM11111]

lds9999 - a bit wishy-washy if you ask me. Are you being dishonest or just naive?

You are in disagreement with the 'prophets' of the lds church. Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Bruce R McConkie and many, many more believed and taught that - how do you say it?

"As man is, GOD once was; As GOD is, man may become."

Didn't JS say, "and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you"?

Isaiah 43:10 disagrees!

[lds9999]

I don't see how the explanation above is wishy-washy in any way. Just as any parent wants to see their chidlren grow and develop, so our Father in Heaven wants us to grow and develop and become more like Him.

[RPM11111]

lds9999-

As usual, gloss over the real point to divert attention to side-issues. My comment takes nothing from GOD's desires for us, but focuses rather on the lds church anti-Scriptural belief that they can be 'gods' some day, despite what GOD says to the contrary in HIS word (Isaiah 43:10). Please explain why your 'prophets' are defying Holy Scripture with such an apostate teaching. Please can you answer the question without glossing over the facts? Let everyone see the truth if you have it?

[lds9999]

RPM, in all honesty, your tone comes off somewhat condesncending.

I personally don't think it"s "glossing over the real point" to explain the very doctrine that we are discussing. If we don't understand what it really means, how can we have a meaningful discussion about it?

I believe there are many things that God puts in terms we can understand, because we cannot understand it otherwise. Think of the concept of eternity--WOW!

[lds9999]

Our Heavenly Father has always been and will always be the God that we know and worship.

[RPM11111]

lds9999-

Sorry if I sounded condescending, but this is what I'm talking about - you have avoided the question by discussing a side issue.

Can you answer the questions below, please?

Didn't JS say, "and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you"?

What is JS referring to?

Thanks

[lds9999]

Yes, Joseph Smith said that. I believe he is referring to what is referred in scripture:

Psalms 82:6: Ps. 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

or as Paul taught: "1 Cor. 8:5-6 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

[lds9999]

(cont.) From ldsdoctrine*blogspot*com which I think is a good explanation

"Now contextually, Paul is talking about false idols and comparing idol worship to worship of the True and Living God and his Son Jesus Christ (Just like Isaiah was). But the parenthetical statement is in contrast to Paul's idea directly before it. Paul says that there may be many "so-called" gods (idols) in the heavens and earth, but then he inserts a parenthetical.

[lds9999]

(cont 2)

The parenthetical is to remind his readers that in heaven there actually are many beings rightly considered gods and lords. So, Paul is teaching that there are many beings in heaven and earth considered gods and lords. But there will only ever be One God the Father and Savior Jesus Christ.

The key to understanding this doctrine is to stop applying man's limited concept of time to God.

[RPM11111]

lds9999 -

Christ uses that very verse (Ps 82:6) against the ubjust rulers of His time - the scribes and pharisees (John 10:34-38).

Here and there in the Bible the term 'god' (small 'g') is used to describe leadership (e.g., Exodus 7:1 "And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh".

Also 'god' (small 'g') is also used in reference to false deities (e.g., Baal, Ashtar, Rephaim etc.).

It is not a reference to 'eternal progression'. We will never be GOD to anyone, ever!

[lds9999]

And the Paul reference?

Have you ever studied what many of the early Church fathers believed about this doctrine?

[RPM11111]

lds9999-

I go by the Bible. Early church fathers (Matt 23:9) were as susceptible to heresy as anyone - Jude 4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Being early doesn't make you correct.

Jesus, Paul, John etc. repeatedly warn about deception (Mat 24:11; Rom 16:17-19; Eph 4:14; 2 Thes 2:3; 2 Tim 3:13; Rev 18:23).

[lds9999]

Romans 8:14-18

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.... The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of god: and if children, then heirs; heirs of god, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."

[RPM11111]

lds9999-

I'm glad you provided these verses to back up your claim. However, they actually serve to expose your doctrine further. Key word- 'context'.

Psalm 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

Verse 7 follows: "But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."

The preceding verses explain that these leaders were given authority over the people (e.g., non-deified gods/lords) and ruled unjustly. YAHWEY reminds them they are mere mortals.

[lds9999]

Jesus Christ Himself said we had divine potential: "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken." Christ pointed out that Psalm 82:6 was not a mistake or a fluke, for He added the phrase "and the scripture cannot be broken" right after it, stressing that it was accurate and that its meaning could not be argued away.

[moparmonster1965]

The problem here is that he's using the present tense, not a future tense. That eliminates any inference of exaltation and, instead, means that to those who take care of the poor and needy are like gods, the same as the real God takes care of regular people.

[KakkoiGuy1]

@lds9999 May I ask where Jesus said that we have divine potential? I'd like to know the book, chapter, and verse so I can read it for myself.

[RPM11111]

lds9999 -

As far as 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, I think you explained away those very verses yourself quite well when you added the *blogspot*.

You see there are many that are considered 'gods' in the heavens (deceiving spirits) and in the earth (mighty rulers), but Paul refers to them all as 'idols' - false gods!!!

This is what deceives mormons - they are seduced by the thought of being 'god' some day, not realising the very thought is abominable to YAHWEY (Isaiah 43:10-11).

[Sibelius19]

you're explaining it away as well. how do you know the mind and heart of God? nobody does. you are attacking the view from your preconveived notion. Does to be God mean that one strives for power and says, I want to be a God? No, he who will exalt himself will be abased. We must be like Jesus Christ, who became despised. If anyone seeks to be a God of ultimate power, he will fail. We become God with God. and we will be joint heirs. We will receive all that our Father in Heaven has.

[NelsonPerkins32]

She also needs to wear sunglasses over her other glasses outside, because she has no Irises, Pupils or Lenses. Also all of the eye doctors she has seen have told her that she should still be blind. You want to know why her sight is back? That is simply because the church is true, because she recieved a blessing in our church, and it came true, and all other blessings that have been given in our church have come true. Also it makes sence.

[Tones91]

The Book Of Mormon is more simple to understand than things I have read in the Bible. I know that both are true, that the Book Of Mormon is the word of God, as well as the BIble.

[RPM11111]

You mormons base your beliefs on anything but the Bible - early 'church fathers', ancient art, feelings, testimonies, etc. Any Christian familiar with the Bible can hold off the advances of mormon 'elders'. That's why you are able to recruit so many - people these days just don't know the Scriptures. So they are then without rebuttal against your offer to pray about LDS doctrine and base their faith on the feeling that follows. (Acts 17:10-12; 2 Cor 11; 1 Gal:6-8; Col 2:18). I pray for you guys

[lds9999]

Apparently you haven't spent much time in an LDS church building. During our Sunday School, we go through a 4-year cycle. One year is the Old Testament, one year is the New Testament, one year is the Book of Mormon, and one year is the Doctrine and Covenants.

To say that we don't base our beliefs on the Bible is absolutely incorrect. We spend years studying it. Members of the Church love, cherish and uphold the Bible.

[RPM11111]

That only makes your doctrine all the more astonishing. You need nothing less than a Damascus experience' to have the scales removed from your eyes.

[CashPresley32]

We do not have scales in our eyes, but have the fullness of the gospel.

[jesster005]

What a comfort to know that God still speaks to His children today. We have access to the same communication that Joseph Smith had, that Moses and Abraham and Elijah had: prayer. If we want to know the truth, all we need to do is ask the source of all truth: our Father in Heaven.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." Luke 11:9

[jesster005]

What a comfort to know that God still speaks to His children today. We have access to the same communication with our Heavenly Father that the Prophet Joseph had, that Moses and Abraham and Elijah had: prayer.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." Luke 11:9

[klunat]

That was beautiful, very touching!! Awesome!!

[URated]

The Church of Jesus Christ has been restored in our day.  Joseph Smith was called by God to be the first prophet in our day. God stands at the head of this church and directs a prophet today.

Thanks for sharing this vid.