o yea! i forgot how clearly the bright scientists explain "how this beetle evolved step by step" i must be an idiot not to find it logical,let alone scientific :P
i watched that years ago,funny video,it was longer and turning out to be an irony actually,the videomaker cut it from the wrong place
what i mean is them already,
thanks for the link anyway,i see the light of peace in your heart,you tried to help me to understand how a beetle may have evolved miraculously,that really deserves to be appreciated X)
if you look closely at the base of the towers, you'll see swarms of bombardier beetles spraying the steel support beams. Now, these beetles must have been trained by Osama Bin Butt-Hurt and supported by the CIA in order to funnel money from the war effort and oil grab directly into George Bush's Pocket. The planes were just to make people look up instead of looking down at the beetles spraying acide on the WTC
He clearly has no understanding or real interest in the beetle untill, of course, he uses it as a creationist argument.
This beetle is an evolutionary marvel, like all creatures. How dare he defile creatures with the insult of being created by a god! These creatures are more magnificent.
I hate it when people use half baked, quasi-science to back up Religion. Everyones entitled to their beliefs but I hate this trend of highlighting holes in science and saying God must be involved.
Religion cant deny / persecute scientists for HUNDREDS of years, then jump on the bandwagon when it goes into decline.
Systems like this are 'unlikely' to have evolved given what we know about evolution, but thats not evidence. It shows we dont fully understand evolution or our fossil record....yet.
how the hell has this got to do anything with god? i've got an analogy of the conclusion
2+2=4 - since 2 and 4 are different numbers, and there are lots of other numbers, - god exists, because there are numbers in the quran/bible/flying spaghetti monster book, for example on page three it says '3'. Astonishing, isn't it?
Magical explanations for the unknown have always been the refuge of the weak-minded.
"I don't know how something happened, therefore a magic man done it!"
The way this defense weapons naturally evolved has been explained clearly by biologists, so... oops, I guess your religion is just superstition after all.
Now you Muslims can go back to flying planes into buildings and strapping bombs to your bodies to murder innocent people.
You believe that a magic man created the universe, and that Muslims did not fly planes into the buildings on 9/11... and you call me ignorant and illogical? LOL!
Do you also believe that a talking snake convinced a woman who was made from a rib into eating a cursed fruit from a magical tree?
i dont beliiieeve that a magic man created the universe
i claim that blindness cant create eyes to see
chaos can not create order
it is very funny to still see anyone who thinks that a bunch of muslims could really hijack 3-4 planes in one day in USA and hit wherever they wanted even Pentagon with them
@svanhoosen stop acting like that believing in god is so crazy...there are 1000s of professors, scientists and highly educated people that believe there is a god. and don't act like atheists are saints either. humans have been killing eachother for an extremely long time. whether you believe in a creator doesn't change this fact. one could even argue that science has excelled the means by which we can destroy ourselves.
@AFGalwayz Believing in a god is not so crazy. However, believing that you MUST believe in YOUR god is a requirement because a woman who was made from a man's rib was tricked by a talking snake into eating a cursed apple from a magic tree IS crazy and stupid. Believing that your god will reward you in a magic after-death happy place if you fly planes into buildings filled with innocent people is crazy, sick and stupid.
Why do they have to begin to talk about creation BS in a video that good?
Just make a simple search here on youtube and you will find the evolution of the Bombardier Beetle. Just because you donr know anything does not mean someone does not either! Please read more books : )
No one tell us what to think, we are encouraged to find out for ourself. You can find facts and look them thru for yourself.
I guess you dont have anything better to come with anyway, besides magic.
So really, who is like a cult ?
My fact (science) gave you a computer and internet, what have your magic given you?
And yes, it is the same science wich gave you computer technology and the Theory of Evolution/ Atom/Germs/Gravity/ String and The Standard Model, the physics of Light and so on.
There is no belive in science. Noone is telling someone something.
Science is a investigation. We dont know what evidence we will find tomorrow. It is not up to us to care, we only find them.
If evidence shows our brain come from apes, thats how it is. There is no opinion in a investigation. Opinions dont change fact and evidence. The earth were not flat just because people belived it. We just follow the evidence. What evidence do you have?
thats the point already,there should be no belief in science
Of course scientists are also humans and they can have their own worldviews but a Jew,a Christian,an atheist,a Buddhist and a Muslim should be able to work for the same scientific search with same objectivity and whatever they find they should hide their own beliefs from the results of the scientific search
as you see,this is also nothing but a subjective view
on the other hand natural selection,variation,adaptation,modification all exist in nature,but none of these can give you a human out of a bacteria as you know
all you have is "random mutations" to create such amazingly complex and intelligent living things
in fact,the hardest thing is still getting the bacteria out of a dead matter
none of these things are or can be proven by objective science,if you can,I dare you,bring it on!
You are right. There is something currently unknown today. But that is nothing to be afraid of. Not knowing is what have made us reach the moon : )
Just because we dont know something today, dont mean we wont know it in 500 years from now! Just think how much more we know about the world, then we did 500 years ago. When we find out what happend before our universe were created, whatever it will be.....i wanna know for sure. No guessing, faith or belive, just the hard cold fact of reality : )
all the great evidence the evolutionists have is this,the concept of life is nearly same in every living thing from a bacteria to a human,and there IS an order in fossils records,humans are the last "visitors" of the earth
but a theist scientist can also show this as an "evidence" of one Creator being who made life same in every living being and humans are the "guests" of this earth who came for a test,who are the meaning of this Universe and they came after everything is ready for them
Good science video before he starts talking about creation and god. This is another example of creationists claiming something couldn't possibly have evolved without offering any evidence to support that claim. There are probably numerous paths evolution could have taken to arrive at this beetle. Rather than claim "god did it" every time you don't understand something, why not use the brain god supposedly gave you to try and understand it?
Evolution doesn't have to happen little by little like a smooth linear gradient. A lot of times recessive disorders become advantages in certain situations. It could have been that originally the mixture of these chemicals was a genetic disorder. Over many years one these beetles born with the disorder doesn't die due to having slightly more heat resistant tissue around the organ. A huge advantage, and within generations his genes predominate that local population, and the process gets refined.
I hate to burst your bubble muslims, but islam was started by catholics in an attempt to raise an army to get the holy land back. The quran distorts so many things from the bible it's incredibly obvious. Muhammed had 22 wives and married a 6 year old and raped a 9 year old. This is the person you worship, there's something really wrong there.
i would like for you to tell me where i can go to SEE evolution happening. i want to personally SEE IT WITH MY OWN TO EYES. please i will be waiting for proof of EVILution.
At the end of this time, compare the amount of pink toothpicks you collected against the amount of greens.
More green toothpicks survived right? They are harder to see in the grass. They were naturally camouflaged and therefore less were found by the predator. More green toothpicks survived to reproduce than pinks, double the amount of survivors from each colour and repeat, using the survivors and newborns as prey.
Do this an infinite amount of times, test it in different ways, you will always observe how nature discriminates against particular traits and how dominant traits prevail and have more opportunity to reproduce i.e.. survive.
Eventually the greens will be the only surviving colour because of this genetic trait, caused be a slight mutation.
Evolution works, it can be observed in any climate and environment.
Please, show me an experiment which indicates otherwise.
Natural selection SELECTS it doesn't create a thing, it can only select from what's available. Natural Selection has never created anything. Creationists thought of it first. If you worked in a car factory as a quality control person, and you let all the good cars pass and threw out the inferior cars, how long would it take that selection process to turn the car into an airplane? It never will and that's my point.
You raise some good points Micah, some of which I'd like to dispute.
"how long would it take that selection process to turn the car into an airplane? It never will"
Evolution relies on minute genetic mutations (Which can be caused by an infinite number of factors: One partner may have been sick the day a child was conceived or had an unusual diet etc etc..) which occur naturally when a couple have a child.
Cars produced are compared with the original design and any discrepancies are discarded.
Cars have no potential to be improved by random malfunctions in the manufacturing process, one could argue that: because the slightest difference between the intended car and the produced car means that car will not pass inspection, there is in fact no random element to the car manufacturing process and therefore the cars have no capability to change, let alone improve. Humans however are influenced by a number of factors.
Humans have hereditary features and are effected by the aforementioned random genetic mutations. Everyone is different, I'm sure you will agree, and, were we to abandon our support of those less fortunate, natural selection would again allow humans to use our unique skills to better survive the challenges of our natural environment and thus provide those survivors with more opportunities to procreate, survive and further evolve.
hi keenangp, u mentioned in ur comment here that evolution was a fact and you backed that up by mentioning the selective breeding of corn etc. now forgive as i am no biologist and i was wondering is what ur describing natural selection albeit humans being the origin of the process and not sum natural occurence. Now why is that evolution? what is the difffernce between natural selection and evolution?
You would hear these beetles exploding for millions of years if evolution were true and eventually there would be no beetles left, also I'd like to add, if you think evolution produced this amazing beetle. Explain how evolution could have put these chemicals inside the beetle, did they just walk inside? Only intellegent deisgn can explain this.
true story. If, for some reason, a mutation put in my body two chemicals that produced FIRE, I wouldn't live to tell you about it. Same with them; they would have had no control over the mutations, but God had control over what he created and how it should live.
Some of these beetles lived. The beetles who were not heat resistant to their own mixture died, whereas the beetles who were better heat resistant lived to reproduce, producing more heat resistance in the next generation. Process repeats, with the more heat resistant of the next generation being the only ones to reproduce or at a faster rate. It makes total sense. Not being able to understand Evolution equates to ignorance, stupidity, or insanity. Pick your poison.
No, no, no. I understand that(although I am a little insane). hmm... someone explained it to me like this. Evolution, the change from one species to another, is like waiting for mud rocks and sticks (and maybe leaves) to turn into a grandfather clock. If you wait millions of years, no grandfather clock will ever appear in a forest. ever. I agree, animals adapt. but I still stick with creationism because the belief in evolution has too many holes in it's reasoning. happy halloween by the way.
Realistically, mud, rocks, and sticks could turn into a grandfather clock, but probability wise, it is extremely impossible. However, if a non-random process were thrown in where every five or ten years, someone came by and selected the mud, rocks, and sticks that looked and functioned more and more like a grand father clock and replicated that piece over and over for millions upon millions of years acting as natural selection, then the probability of it coming to be is increased.
ok. that's cool. I'm not going to be able to convince you that my opinion, belief, whatever, is true, and you won't be able to convince me. so, thanks for the discussion, but i will respectfully step away. but one last word: a beetle that sprays fire is still freakin sweet, no matter what it's origin was!
Honestly man, whoever 'explained' evolution to you did a really bad job at it (and I'd guess they wanted to tell you evolution is wrong too). Basically what happens is that random mutations occur here and there, and some of them have an effect on the organism. If it's a beneficial effect they're more likely to reproduce and spread those mutated genes through the population. Over a lonnnng time those changes can become more pronounced and develop in different directions. That's the basic concept
Th1sWasATriumph - you can't prove anything to a creationist, so don't waste your time; I've tried may times, they are just too bold and lack a common sense. Any actual evidence/fact supporting the evolution they believe to be a falcification of some sort, and they fail to see anything obvious (such as rudimentary legs in snakes).
It's called a hypothesis and according to your irreducible complexity argument a hypothesis can't even be made.
And you could say that about the heart and brain, fish evolved before any other vertebrates with legs. That's a perfectly valid statement. and that's another ad hominem attack by the way.
And this video cannot be science because science doesn't deal with the supernatural
So . . . imagining a mythical being which created everything (but not itself) does mean something, as opposed to the scientific method which simply has an excellent track record of solving problems?
Funny how evolution doesnt follow the scientific method. There is an important step called Observation. Evolutionist tend to deeply believe in macro evolution [amongst many other things in evolution] without ever Observing it. They just believe in it. on faith. sounds religious to me. Aside from that, nice Portal reference in your name :)
Guess what? Scientists observe the changes that can be seen through fossils, for a start. Darwin observed all kinds of shit on his travels. When you have a fossil of a fish and a fossil of a mammal and a fossil of a mammal with a great many fish-like appendages, the scientific method still stands. It's like seeing someone drop a stone off a building, then turning away before it hits the ground. You didn't see it fall through the air, have no proof for it, but chances are it did.
lol, I'm sorry, ThisWasAPhailure. There is NO proof for macro evolution. And micro evolution doesn't prove evolution. as far as mammals with fish-like appendages, whales have connecting joints at its tail similar to the human wrist bone. that doesn't prove that we are one. its radically silly to think so. But, unfortunately you aren't sticking to evolution to be a jerk. you are doing it because its been presented as fact not theory and you've been indoctrinated since you were knee high. :(
Name-calling, eh? Name-calling even though you think I've been "indoctrinated" and am therefore not responsible for my thoughts. I bet you kick paraplegic kids, too.
As for the whale - well, more proof that you've not done your research. Whales are mammals evolved from land-living creatures. Clearly we are not a whale, and we did not evolve from the same common ancestor - not all transitional forms prove our relationship to a common ape-like ancestor, nor are believed to. Contd.
All this talk about sciense and God. Well, OUR GOD should be NATURE. I dont worship any Gods. I worship Nature. And Evolution is a fact. Look at Raptors. They were getting hole bones and feathers (preparing to evolve to fly). Also an insect will boost and edit its own defense. They will become resistant against certain threaths. Scorpions became immune against Nuclear Energy. Now believers from the creation will say: (read my other reply)
This is my other reply. They will say: how did life start then in the first place. There are three possibilitys. A metero crashed in the water, and had Bacterias from another planet on it. A thunder strikes in the water, creating Bacterias, who evolved into other beings. Its also sayd that the impact of a meteor can have the same effect. I totaly agree with what you say. Nature is special, and evolution is part of it. (its like a computer, updating, to be protected against the newest virusses)
You clearly have no idea how evolution works and are using your own distorted view to support your argument. If God created everything, how come we see so much room for improvement everywhere? How come more animals don't have the defense system of the bombardier beetle? How come the eye isn't better designed, how come the testicles aren't better protected?
The steps are TINY, far tinier than your grossly generalised statement above indicates.
as for this: God didn't need to give us defense mechanisms or crushing jaws or sharp claws etc etc etc. We had no need of such a thing in the beginning of creation. You obviously have no idea how creationism works. We didn't even have knowledge of evil until Adam fell. We were given utter dominion over all animals, we had no worry of attacks from humans nor animals.
The question is, if EVOLUTION is true, then why don't we have these things? They would surely be handy, survival of the fittest.
Well, that's just a flimsy hypothesis based on faith. You have no idea how creationism works because it's a loose and unprovable collection of unscience. Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor that was considerably more suited to living in the wild than us.
That doesn't answer my question, anyway. If everything was designed by God, why do we see room for improvement? Why do we see transitional forms? Why are retroviren traceable back hundreds of generations? Contd.
"The question is, if EVOLUTION is true, then why don't we have these things?"
Yet more misunderstanding. Try this: tool-using. As we began using tools to perform tasks that previously relied on claws, or body hair, or teeth, we evolved away from them. The fittest animal would not necessarily be the one with the biggest teeth, it would be the one who could use a rock to attack its prey. Cunning and mental agility rather than brute physical strength emerged as the vital traits. Contd.
Apes have been observed to use or manufacture primitive tools. Other animals, such as otters, use natural objects to assist themselves in tasks. In our natural state we are at risk from predators, but as animals with problem-solving brains and the ability to manufacture or use naturally occurring resources is is the INTELLIGENT, more than the strong, that will survive.
Hence our teeth, claws and hair receding. In a few million years they'll be gone entirely.
Now, maybe you can tell me about your alternative theory - God. How can you prove God, and why don't you believe in other Gods like Allah, Ra or Anubis? How did God come to be? How come God didn't do a better job in design? (Please, no attributing this to sin).
How can you support creationism when it is refuted on all scientific grounds? Can you give me any proofs that cannot be instantly destroyed? Try hard, now - I've not been given a good argument yet.
-He Who created the seven heavens one above another: no want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of the Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?
-Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.
The ending was retarded. Natural Selection- One beetle came with the heat-resistant skin in that section, which made the solution worked, so it survived and reproduced, spreading that gene to create the race that we know today.
I have another question, since you will not answer where the bugs came from. What is your position on the floods effect on geology? For example a common citation is the formation of the Grand Canyon.
Your premise is really, that if it occurred in the past, with no one currently able to witness it, it is illogical to believe it occurred. In forensics, we know people are murdered, we take clues, this person is missing, there is a large amount of their blood here, there is a knife, there is blood on the wall here, we have a footprint. We use all these evidences as well as DNA to give evidence not proof of an event, evolution is the best explanation of the evidence at hand, creation explains 0.
THAT'S NOT the argument. If it were, I would be discrediting my own view- kinda. The argument is that these parts in the cell couldn't have evolved through natural selection- using Darwin's own reasoning! Do you believe in Christ rising from the dead? The evidence is there: empty tomb, changed lives(the apostles- from cowards to martyrs), multiple, well-documented eyewitness testimonies...what say you? Will you give me an OLD argument?
Rather than claiming complexity is an indicator of design, which is to verify your premise without logical reasoning or explantion, that is, and argument from ignorance, as well as quoting people to defend yourself, actually raise a coherent and logical argument as to why evolution can't produce these structures. Michael Behe and ID have been thoroughly discredited and his examples of ID have all been shown to be able to evolve in numerous steps. Next time find out if your argument is old.
First of all, Behe has not been discredited- they tried but, failed. Second, what's wrong with quoting someone much smarter than I? What idea have YOU put forth that is your own/original? Third, I'll tell you what is old- and that's evolution! And you talk of it and defend it with religious zeal! Why? Because you hate GOD and so desperately NEED evolution to be true in order to 'disprove' Him. That's what I think. You even said 'God lied, God is not good,..' etc. It was an unprovoked attack. (?)
...modifications' of natural selection. Life at the molecular level, he concluded, 'is a loud,clear, piercing cry of DESIGN.' Darwin knew nothing of DNA. And until relatively recently, scientists didn't know what the inside of a cell looked like. You can no longer pretend tha the mutation god created it.
An argument from incredulity will not help you, rather than say it is designed because it looks that way, which is exactly what evolution is supposed to do, make beneficial adjustments and as a result form new functions like in the case of the evolution of a new set of proteins, nylonase. Proteins and regulatory genetics define what an organism is, beneficial mutation has and does produce information and function.
I agree. It's not because you can't explain it that it was made by god. That's exactly the purpose of religion: to explain things that couldn't be explained: emotions, weather, stars... Religions were created, irinically, by rationality: people were trying to explain things they couldn't grasp with the knowledge of their time: it's simply curisosity. I mean now we know how the sun functions, how to cure lots of diseases, predict using maths... everything follows a rational pattern, no?
man, those guys below gave me a headache!....that beetle RULES! :v} can such a creature really have evolved? just pure mindless, random chance? How much faith does it take to believe that? It can't be proven. It would be like a tornado going through a junk yard and assembling a f-16 fighter jet! Made purely by chance/ accident... Actually, the beetle coming into being through chance would be even MORE amazing!
Old terrible analogy, it was a Boeing 747 btw. You fail to grasp that evolution is not random chance, natural selection is not random in any sense, it is clearly seen as a result of resource competition and environmental pressures. Yes the beetle does and has evolved, if it uses DNA it evolves, Nature forces populations, to be made up of only the most well suited organisms, indeed random variation in all populations exists, this is GOOD, more variation gives more chance for successful organisms.
Old terrible analogy, it was a Boeing 747 btw. You fail to grasp that evolution is not random chance, natural selection is not random in any sense, it is clearly seen as a result of resource competition and environmental pressures. Yes the beetle does and has evolved, if it uses DNA it evolves, Nature forces populations, to be made up of only the most well suited organisms, indeed random variation in all populations exists, this is GOOD, more variation gives more chance for successful organisms.
You talk of 'nature' as if it has intelligence and has purpose! Did you notice that? How did ALL this come to be? Did 'nature' DO it- by design? or was it random chance? How does this 'nature' FORCE? and why? does IT have a purpose? or is IT DOING things randomly?(like 'forcing populations')...So, you say variation is random but, I guess, the original was designed by your 'nature'(?)
You dodge the actual concept of evolution instead jumping to a universe that seems to violate natural laws. Search 'creation ex nihilo' for a cosmo-perspective, the universe is likely an imbalance of a neutral field, if a local disturbance of neutrality occurs randomly as quantum mechanics' uncertainty principle suggests, then our reality comes from nothing yet the net sum energy is zero, the B-Bang may be the point of non-symmetry, is gravity equal and opposite to matter? If so matter can exist
No, in layman's terms, if something is neutral and goes both positive and negative in equal quantities, then their sum value is zero, if the forces in the universe, like gravity pulling at matter as a result of matters existence, then the net amount of energy is zero. At the beginning of time this balance of neutrality was upset, a random and uncaused fluctuation, like physics at the Planck scale predicted by quantum uncertainty, in a false vacuum could produce the values we know as matter/energ
I won't pretend to understand that but, who or what made that 'something' that is neutral? WHo or what made the 'forces' or the universe- who or what created gravity or matter or the 'false vacuum'? Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think almost all scientists agree that the Universe didn't always exist- who or what 'upset' the 'balance of neutrality'?...an 'UNCAUSED fluctuation'??? Who has ever heard of such a thing? I think you have more FAITH than me! :v}
More like it was bound to happen, science is not a system of believe. Rather factual evidence based on findings. Religion comes up with predetermined conclusions i.e God magically did it!
Now life is a mystery, no one truly knows the meaning of life. But to come up with silly conclusions with no effort to research is a lazy and escapist human behavior.
Would I follow the teachings of goat herders over scientists with PHDS and years of research? I think you already know the answer.
science makes all kinds of assumptions! It's not all based on findings. I say God 'magically' did it. You say 'nature' magically did it....why do you assume that those who belive in creation are lazy and escapist? Do you think there are no Christian scientists? There are SO MANY great Christian scientists! Among them is Isaac Newton...You with your high and mighty attitude- acting like YOU don't come up with predetermined conclusions- there's just SO MUCH evidence against God creating anything!
Much obliged, the meaning is not what science looks for, only the method, thus far no method via divine will has been observed, natural selection has, mutation, beneficial at that, has been observed, speciation is observed, so much science in unrelated fields confirms this. The one thing about planes and scrap metal, is that if they reproduced, varied, and died, they would evolve just the same, you would probably end up with flying machines in a thousand shapes and sizes.
I don't doubt that MINOR adaptations have been observed, but species evolving into another species NEVER has; and there is NO fossil evidence to support it either. NONE- and after how many years of searching? With billions of fossils? Where is the transitional species fossil? In regard to your plane comment: perhaps you're right but, how did the plane come into being? What started the process? Life does not come from non-life. Life comes from the life-giver: God. Evolution is a THEORY- an idea.
Now that you have said that species do not speciate, I know you know nothing of evolution. The definition of speciation is organisms in a population that are usually separated by environmental and selective pressures or boundaries, each population gathers many MINOR selected variations that help them survive, in a very short time these variations can cause two populations to be incapable, unlikely or disinclined to breed, type 'ring species' on YT, and tell me species don't evolve from ancestors
God killed everyone save eight people once, he is not good, he sanctions death, blames others for his mistakes and lies to test us, that is, if you believe what your told.
First, I didn't mean to be condescending- I apologize- really....Your statements about God are a little offensive. I assume you don't believe account of Noah and the story of Abraham. Concerning God's character, could it be that as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are His ways higher than ours- and that you're misunderstanding something there? I remember as a child making wrong conclusions about my parents because I just didn't have the ability to understand. He alone is GOOD.
mrkindt, don't try too hard to convicnce this simpleton scienceminded that there is a God he has decided to follow the foolish teachings of man and has chosen his own God, Satan.
I don't appreciate the condescension in your remark, I have taken the time to understand both sides of the argument and am well aware of your position and why you hold it, I have seen no understanding of evolutionary theory from you as of yet and am disinclined to believe you will learn in the future. However I can cite numerous examples of logistical incongruities of the genesis account that I would value your opinion and input on, would you care to hear me out?
the understanding of evolution I have was given me by our great public school system that crammed it down my throat as the gospel truth- not spending one second on alternative views. As far as Genesis goes, sure I'll hear you out. But I suspect you'll ask questions that I might not be able to answer quickly...but maybe I will/ can...I'll try.
are you asking me to ascribe PURPOSE to something that some non-intelligent, impersonal 'force', 'developed' within us? - My answer is that we are designed by God this way so that we are not killed by every little 'bug' that comes down the pike. But, you see, I BELIEVE Genesis. Before 'the fall' there were no 'bugs'- either that or we were one big immune system! :v} 'Immune' even to death! Here's a question for you: Who is Christ Jesus- Yeshua?
Well, um... after 'the fall' everything changed. Through sin came death and corruption- and disease- 'bugs', if you will...I don't know how to answer your question. Maybe immune systems were put in us because of God's foreknowledge. Or we were made to adapt- I believe in MICROevolution. I just don't believe in 'algae' turning into a fish and then becoming a frog, then a snake, then a mammal, etc. And science has never proven that. And the fossil record doesn't show this either.
Ah yes God's foreknowledge, if you didn't know the immune system is complex, it couldn't evolve in a few years, so God knowing of our fall, essentially makes Eve's choice irrelevant, thus punishing us for something he caused to happen by creating us. Prokaryotes evolved into Eukaryotes, these specialized into colonies, colonies formed specialized tissues, bilateral symmetry evolved, proto fish without spines, but noto-chords, developed into chordates, lobe finned fish's fins specialized into...
...the proto legs became true legs, these amphibians became reptiles, reptiles branched into dinosaurs, turtles etc. One branch were the Synapsids or mammal like reptiles, true mammals evolved, primates, great apes, many iterations of humanlike ansecestors, modern homo sapien-sapiens like us. All took 4.5 billion years, each group is in the fossil record, no fossils intrude earlier or later stata. We would expect intrusion after a flood, which requires gigatons of water.
There is NO proof for any of this- even after 150 yrs. of intense searching. It is a story made up to explain life; and YOU need it to be true to explain away God. Besides, evolution has been proven to be false: Using Darwin's own self-serving standard for himself: 'If it could be demonstrated that ANY complex organ organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would ABSOLUTELY break down.' Lehigh Univ. biochemist Michael Behe...
As for it being made up, you wanted fossils that exist between one another, that share morphology of two distinct phylum, they exist and we study them, it IS an inference that the sequence is a line of descent, but we know evolution above the level of species occurs, over the time period we calculate there is nothing stopping continued genetic drift, specialization and novel function. I would like to see positive evidence of Creation though.
How cute, but both concepts end with me, any 'model' based on creation is absurd and physically impossible, no evidence of the supernatural in favor of creation has been found. Until any theory that can rationally explain our world and the many features it has in favor of creation, evolution, geology, cosmology, genetics and physics will still be in favor of my position.
there is no real distinction between micro and macro evolution and are not common in scientific discussion, speciation is however well established fact, more speciation widens the gap. How can you walk a mile without taking one step at a time?
...produced various 'irreducibly complex' mechanisms. A bacterial motor, called a flagellum, depends on the coordinated interaction of 30-40 complex protein parts. The absence of almost any one of them would render it useless. An animal cell's cilium is made up of about 200 protein parts. All of them have to be working at the same time for the cilium or flagellum to work. It is mathematically impossible for all these parts to have been brought together by 'numerous successive, slight..(cont.abov
And concerning Genesis and 'bugs', 'the fall' and the consequences, etc. I think it's interesting that it says that Adam lived for 930 years. Seth, 912. Enosh, 905, etc. And now what is the average lifespan? 74? You probably don't believe Genesis but, maybe you could give this some thought and see how it might mesh with your views of origins/ evolution. (?)
If I'm repeating myself sry. That isn't how debate works, I find no factual basis to include your faith into my line of reasoning. I still am waiting for your view on where the bugs came from, did God make them, Satan, evolution? Not really. As for Noah the bible creates two population bottle necks for humans, creation and the flood, the 'kinds' (pairs or 7's btw?) would need to breed, mutate and speciate at deadly rates to produce the variation on earth.
Sorry I'm not including every other line of descent, like marsupial evolution, other mammals, the rest of the dinosaurs, birds or the equally long Arthropod line of descent, but you can find them all or I can briefly summarize them later.
Wow.. awesome Creature.
Manny2damax 5 days ago
Ive got a great idea,why donyt you keep your personel fucking opinion about creation to yourself!
truceism 3 weeks ago
it's no doubt that God created all things in this universe.
But soon, God will destroy this earth and universe.
Judgment Day begins on May 21, 2011
wwwYoutubeCom/watch?v=0SVrlm4BXFM
wwwEBibleFellowshipCom/WeCanKnow/
wwwWorldEndsMay21Com
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may God have mercy on us sinners!
WeCanKnowDottCom 1 year ago
Oh bloody hell, nice video right up to the ... "it's irreducible complexity" bollocks at the end...
Zonbie 1 year ago
@Zonbie
o yea! i forgot how clearly the bright scientists explain "how this beetle evolved step by step" i must be an idiot not to find it logical,let alone scientific :P
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
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Exactly correct description of yourself.
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tellnet 11 months ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
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watch?v=Hi4OdrITkqY
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tellnet 11 months ago
@tellnet
i watched that years ago,funny video,it was longer and turning out to be an irony actually,the videomaker cut it from the wrong place
what i mean is them already,
thanks for the link anyway,i see the light of peace in your heart,you tried to help me to understand how a beetle may have evolved miraculously,that really deserves to be appreciated X)
HighFlyingDutchman 10 months ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
Not really .... Evolution is not miraculous - far from it - it is reality.
Miracles are 'supernatural' imaginations.
IE: Miracles are non-existent.
That which may appear to be "miraculous" always has a rational explanation (albeit not immediately obvious).
There is nothing unusual about the evolution of the bombardier beetle.
tellnet 10 months ago
@tellnet
please visit confessionsofevolutionists dot c o m
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 10 months ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
Harun Yahya is a notorious GOBSHITE
Full to the brim of childish nonsense.
And..... that website is full of BULLSHIT of the lowest order
Get a grip on reality !
tellnet 10 months ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
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watch?v=xn4ACWR0aag
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tellnet 10 months ago
What is with all these fucking retarded comments?
Creation is bullshit. Now get over it.
ParadoxAnonymous 1 year ago
@ParadoxAnonymous
the "creation" that your parents or priests taught you is indeed bullshit
especially the concept of "man-god"
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
Hint: Only watch til 2:22 for info about the bug, the rest of the video is religious bullshit.
hellofraaance 1 year ago
if you look closely at the base of the towers, you'll see swarms of bombardier beetles spraying the steel support beams. Now, these beetles must have been trained by Osama Bin Butt-Hurt and supported by the CIA in order to funnel money from the war effort and oil grab directly into George Bush's Pocket. The planes were just to make people look up instead of looking down at the beetles spraying acide on the WTC
MajorPrime 1 year ago
@MajorPrime
LOL
ParadoxAnonymous 1 year ago
hmm, shoots boiling hot fluid out of it's ass? sounds like my fajitas night.
fodabonita 1 year ago
Why are people talking about 9/11 and relgion. lets just watch the beetle
Liam5126 1 year ago
He clearly has no understanding or real interest in the beetle untill, of course, he uses it as a creationist argument.
This beetle is an evolutionary marvel, like all creatures. How dare he defile creatures with the insult of being created by a god! These creatures are more magnificent.
thereturnofluis 1 year ago
FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTAAAAAAAAAAAAR
BREAKMEKNEES 1 year ago
I hate it when people use half baked, quasi-science to back up Religion. Everyones entitled to their beliefs but I hate this trend of highlighting holes in science and saying God must be involved.
Religion cant deny / persecute scientists for HUNDREDS of years, then jump on the bandwagon when it goes into decline.
Systems like this are 'unlikely' to have evolved given what we know about evolution, but thats not evidence. It shows we dont fully understand evolution or our fossil record....yet.
filthish 1 year ago
And the bombardier beetle is much smarter than most creationists, too!
Tareltonlives 1 year ago
how the hell has this got to do anything with god? i've got an analogy of the conclusion
2+2=4 - since 2 and 4 are different numbers, and there are lots of other numbers, - god exists, because there are numbers in the quran/bible/flying spaghetti monster book, for example on page three it says '3'. Astonishing, isn't it?
iraisehell 1 year ago
Magical explanations for the unknown have always been the refuge of the weak-minded.
"I don't know how something happened, therefore a magic man done it!"
The way this defense weapons naturally evolved has been explained clearly by biologists, so... oops, I guess your religion is just superstition after all.
Now you Muslims can go back to flying planes into buildings and strapping bombs to your bodies to murder innocent people.
svanhoosen 1 year ago
you are just so ignorant and illogical to think that
911 was made by Muslims
go watch some videos on youtube
even Americans admit that it was an inside job
other than this
you said it wrong
nature can not have made something
therefore it must be some kind of supernatural being
period
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
You believe that a magic man created the universe, and that Muslims did not fly planes into the buildings on 9/11... and you call me ignorant and illogical? LOL!
Do you also believe that a talking snake convinced a woman who was made from a rib into eating a cursed fruit from a magical tree?
svanhoosen 1 year ago
i dont beliiieeve that a magic man created the universe
i claim that blindness cant create eyes to see
chaos can not create order
it is very funny to still see anyone who thinks that a bunch of muslims could really hijack 3-4 planes in one day in USA and hit wherever they wanted even Pentagon with them
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@svanhoosen stop acting like that believing in god is so crazy...there are 1000s of professors, scientists and highly educated people that believe there is a god. and don't act like atheists are saints either. humans have been killing eachother for an extremely long time. whether you believe in a creator doesn't change this fact. one could even argue that science has excelled the means by which we can destroy ourselves.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz Believing in a god is not so crazy. However, believing that you MUST believe in YOUR god is a requirement because a woman who was made from a man's rib was tricked by a talking snake into eating a cursed apple from a magic tree IS crazy and stupid. Believing that your god will reward you in a magic after-death happy place if you fly planes into buildings filled with innocent people is crazy, sick and stupid.
svanhoosen 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman : Only one word fits your comment. NUTS.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Islam is the worst kind of cult.
SCIENTOLOGY RULES!
1acroyear1 2 years ago
AHHH. A great, educational video, ruined by the last 10 seconds.
hellokittiegay11 2 years ago
Why do they have to begin to talk about creation BS in a video that good?
Just make a simple search here on youtube and you will find the evolution of the Bombardier Beetle. Just because you donr know anything does not mean someone does not either! Please read more books : )
daarco2 2 years ago
of course I know the the-e eoo-oryyyy of its evolution
perhaps just because you can explain how something might have happened in the most simple and subjective way possible does not mean how it happened
man!
you evolutionists are sometimes like a part of a cult,your leaders tell you "yyyes that may have evolved just like this,haha" you quickly grasp it
i just cant imagine your mood if most of the biologists stopped defending evolution one day,you would grasp it until the last one to leave...
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
No one tell us what to think, we are encouraged to find out for ourself. You can find facts and look them thru for yourself.
I guess you dont have anything better to come with anyway, besides magic.
So really, who is like a cult ?
My fact (science) gave you a computer and internet, what have your magic given you?
And yes, it is the same science wich gave you computer technology and the Theory of Evolution/ Atom/Germs/Gravity/ String and The Standard Model, the physics of Light and so on.
daarco2 2 years ago
who is against science here?
WHO?
but if you are ready to believe whatever scientists say you are nothing than a brainless sheep then
if next day scientists say that "darwinian evolution can not have happened,there must be something else"
will you quickly accept it?
dude,get your own facts
live for yourself
if only science can demonstrate a claim with CLEAR OBJECTIVE EVIDENCES,you should grasp it
but you need a real brain to grasp it,though
with a brain that comes from a "monkey",not possible!
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Again, what do you man with "ready to belive"?
There is no belive in science. Noone is telling someone something.
Science is a investigation. We dont know what evidence we will find tomorrow. It is not up to us to care, we only find them.
If evidence shows our brain come from apes, thats how it is. There is no opinion in a investigation. Opinions dont change fact and evidence. The earth were not flat just because people belived it. We just follow the evidence. What evidence do you have?
daarco2 2 years ago
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thats the point already,there should be no belief in science
Of course scientists are also humans and they can have their own worldviews but a Jew,a Christian,an atheist,a Buddhist and a Muslim should be able to work for the same scientific search with same objectivity and whatever they find they should hide their own beliefs from the results of the scientific search
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
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as you see,this is also nothing but a subjective view
on the other hand natural selection,variation,adaptation,modification all exist in nature,but none of these can give you a human out of a bacteria as you know
all you have is "random mutations" to create such amazingly complex and intelligent living things
in fact,the hardest thing is still getting the bacteria out of a dead matter
none of these things are or can be proven by objective science,if you can,I dare you,bring it on!
Regards
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
You are right. There is something currently unknown today. But that is nothing to be afraid of. Not knowing is what have made us reach the moon : )
Just because we dont know something today, dont mean we wont know it in 500 years from now! Just think how much more we know about the world, then we did 500 years ago. When we find out what happend before our universe were created, whatever it will be.....i wanna know for sure. No guessing, faith or belive, just the hard cold fact of reality : )
daarco2 2 years ago
moon has always been up there
but science cant reach outside of matter or our universe
so it will never be known
not after 500 years,not after 1000...
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
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all the great evidence the evolutionists have is this,the concept of life is nearly same in every living thing from a bacteria to a human,and there IS an order in fossils records,humans are the last "visitors" of the earth
but a theist scientist can also show this as an "evidence" of one Creator being who made life same in every living being and humans are the "guests" of this earth who came for a test,who are the meaning of this Universe and they came after everything is ready for them
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Im not fond of the word "who". You mean "what". What created the universe. Otherwise you have narrowd down your serach so much already : )
daarco2 2 years ago
ok,what created the universe :D
thats better
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Good science video before he starts talking about creation and god. This is another example of creationists claiming something couldn't possibly have evolved without offering any evidence to support that claim. There are probably numerous paths evolution could have taken to arrive at this beetle. Rather than claim "god did it" every time you don't understand something, why not use the brain god supposedly gave you to try and understand it?
bovinah 2 years ago
perhaps you evolutionists should offer some evidences instead of making up subjective hypothesis
especially for the so called random mutations creating new information in the gene pool
and the so called first "zombie" bacteria
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Evolution doesn't have to happen little by little like a smooth linear gradient. A lot of times recessive disorders become advantages in certain situations. It could have been that originally the mixture of these chemicals was a genetic disorder. Over many years one these beetles born with the disorder doesn't die due to having slightly more heat resistant tissue around the organ. A huge advantage, and within generations his genes predominate that local population, and the process gets refined.
OutlawVR 2 years ago
I hate to burst your bubble muslims, but islam was started by catholics in an attempt to raise an army to get the holy land back. The quran distorts so many things from the bible it's incredibly obvious. Muhammed had 22 wives and married a 6 year old and raped a 9 year old. This is the person you worship, there's something really wrong there.
micah1116 2 years ago
Chemical flamethrower bugs... proof god exists, and that he loves pyrotechnics?
HARKENSCYLD 2 years ago
God is a Rammstein fan
DrSchadenfreude 2 years ago
Haha, indeed.
I think that would explain many things about the world.
HARKENSCYLD 2 years ago
... So it goes from the kick ass beetle to a debate....
dwoclan 2 years ago
How do they know it's the god of the Quran?
Evidence?
tomaselvis 2 years ago 2
Did he say, "In the quran?"
shjtyu 2 years ago
Proof 1. Homologous structures.
Proof 2. Vestigial structures
Inference 1. A theory has been proven to explain and accurately predict related phenomena time and time again.
Conc. Evolution is a fact, and can be witnessed today by the same means as selective breeding of corn or anything else.
Thank you I'll be here all week..
Keenangp 2 years ago
what kind of subjective misery it is to call homologous structures "PROOOOF" for evolution
what kind of misery...
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
i would like for you to tell me where i can go to SEE evolution happening. i want to personally SEE IT WITH MY OWN TO EYES. please i will be waiting for proof of EVILution.
sandbag32 2 years ago
There are countless experiments which anyone can conduct, including yourself.
First you need a prey with different genetic traits.
Gather around 40 toothpicks: 20 pink and 20 green.
Now we need an environment.
Find some greenish grass, hold all the toothpicks in one hand and launch them into the air.
Now you need a predator. This will be yourself.
Take 10 - 20 seconds to collect as many toothpicks as possible.
Frankenleigen 2 years ago
At the end of this time, compare the amount of pink toothpicks you collected against the amount of greens.
More green toothpicks survived right? They are harder to see in the grass. They were naturally camouflaged and therefore less were found by the predator. More green toothpicks survived to reproduce than pinks, double the amount of survivors from each colour and repeat, using the survivors and newborns as prey.
Frankenleigen 2 years ago
Do this an infinite amount of times, test it in different ways, you will always observe how nature discriminates against particular traits and how dominant traits prevail and have more opportunity to reproduce i.e.. survive.
Eventually the greens will be the only surviving colour because of this genetic trait, caused be a slight mutation.
Evolution works, it can be observed in any climate and environment.
Please, show me an experiment which indicates otherwise.
Frankenleigen 2 years ago
Natural selection SELECTS it doesn't create a thing, it can only select from what's available. Natural Selection has never created anything. Creationists thought of it first. If you worked in a car factory as a quality control person, and you let all the good cars pass and threw out the inferior cars, how long would it take that selection process to turn the car into an airplane? It never will and that's my point.
micah1116 2 years ago
You raise some good points Micah, some of which I'd like to dispute.
"how long would it take that selection process to turn the car into an airplane? It never will"
Evolution relies on minute genetic mutations (Which can be caused by an infinite number of factors: One partner may have been sick the day a child was conceived or had an unusual diet etc etc..) which occur naturally when a couple have a child.
Cars produced are compared with the original design and any discrepancies are discarded.
Frankenleigen 2 years ago
Cars have no potential to be improved by random malfunctions in the manufacturing process, one could argue that: because the slightest difference between the intended car and the produced car means that car will not pass inspection, there is in fact no random element to the car manufacturing process and therefore the cars have no capability to change, let alone improve. Humans however are influenced by a number of factors.
Frankenleigen 2 years ago
Humans have hereditary features and are effected by the aforementioned random genetic mutations. Everyone is different, I'm sure you will agree, and, were we to abandon our support of those less fortunate, natural selection would again allow humans to use our unique skills to better survive the challenges of our natural environment and thus provide those survivors with more opportunities to procreate, survive and further evolve.
Frankenleigen 2 years ago
hi keenangp, u mentioned in ur comment here that evolution was a fact and you backed that up by mentioning the selective breeding of corn etc. now forgive as i am no biologist and i was wondering is what ur describing natural selection albeit humans being the origin of the process and not sum natural occurence. Now why is that evolution? what is the difffernce between natural selection and evolution?
steviespoon 2 years ago
natural selection is the process by which the fittest species survive, and those not fit die off
so natural selection is the process that drives evolution :)
Preytor13 2 years ago
You would hear these beetles exploding for millions of years if evolution were true and eventually there would be no beetles left, also I'd like to add, if you think evolution produced this amazing beetle. Explain how evolution could have put these chemicals inside the beetle, did they just walk inside? Only intellegent deisgn can explain this.
micah1116 2 years ago
true story. If, for some reason, a mutation put in my body two chemicals that produced FIRE, I wouldn't live to tell you about it. Same with them; they would have had no control over the mutations, but God had control over what he created and how it should live.
shackrocks 2 years ago
That's not what the evidence suggests.
jesuriah 2 years ago
Some of these beetles lived. The beetles who were not heat resistant to their own mixture died, whereas the beetles who were better heat resistant lived to reproduce, producing more heat resistance in the next generation. Process repeats, with the more heat resistant of the next generation being the only ones to reproduce or at a faster rate. It makes total sense. Not being able to understand Evolution equates to ignorance, stupidity, or insanity. Pick your poison.
OwnedByScience 2 years ago
No, no, no. I understand that(although I am a little insane). hmm... someone explained it to me like this. Evolution, the change from one species to another, is like waiting for mud rocks and sticks (and maybe leaves) to turn into a grandfather clock. If you wait millions of years, no grandfather clock will ever appear in a forest. ever. I agree, animals adapt. but I still stick with creationism because the belief in evolution has too many holes in it's reasoning. happy halloween by the way.
shackrocks 2 years ago
Realistically, mud, rocks, and sticks could turn into a grandfather clock, but probability wise, it is extremely impossible. However, if a non-random process were thrown in where every five or ten years, someone came by and selected the mud, rocks, and sticks that looked and functioned more and more like a grand father clock and replicated that piece over and over for millions upon millions of years acting as natural selection, then the probability of it coming to be is increased.
OwnedByScience 2 years ago
I mean improbable, not impossible.
OwnedByScience 2 years ago
ok. that's cool. I'm not going to be able to convince you that my opinion, belief, whatever, is true, and you won't be able to convince me. so, thanks for the discussion, but i will respectfully step away. but one last word: a beetle that sprays fire is still freakin sweet, no matter what it's origin was!
shackrocks 2 years ago
Honestly man, whoever 'explained' evolution to you did a really bad job at it (and I'd guess they wanted to tell you evolution is wrong too). Basically what happens is that random mutations occur here and there, and some of them have an effect on the organism. If it's a beneficial effect they're more likely to reproduce and spread those mutated genes through the population. Over a lonnnng time those changes can become more pronounced and develop in different directions. That's the basic concept
cactustactics 2 years ago
Th1sWasATriumph - you can't prove anything to a creationist, so don't waste your time; I've tried may times, they are just too bold and lack a common sense. Any actual evidence/fact supporting the evolution they believe to be a falcification of some sort, and they fail to see anything obvious (such as rudimentary legs in snakes).
julqw2 2 years ago
its called adaption friend
sandbag32 2 years ago
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julqw2 2 years ago
watch cdk's video in the similar videos section. Ignorance isn't the answer.
Sinlingual 3 years ago
i had watched it months ago
and imagining steps doesnt mean ANYTHING in science
if i say
"well,first your heart and brain evolved,then your arms,hmmm..,then your legs and then the other organs..b'ngooo!"
DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING
just like,that video doesnt mean anything either
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
It's called a hypothesis and according to your irreducible complexity argument a hypothesis can't even be made.
And you could say that about the heart and brain, fish evolved before any other vertebrates with legs. That's a perfectly valid statement. and that's another ad hominem attack by the way.
And this video cannot be science because science doesn't deal with the supernatural
Sinlingual 3 years ago
So . . . imagining a mythical being which created everything (but not itself) does mean something, as opposed to the scientific method which simply has an excellent track record of solving problems?
Th1sWasATriumph 3 years ago
Funny how evolution doesnt follow the scientific method. There is an important step called Observation. Evolutionist tend to deeply believe in macro evolution [amongst many other things in evolution] without ever Observing it. They just believe in it. on faith. sounds religious to me. Aside from that, nice Portal reference in your name :)
5iveAnd2wo 2 years ago
Guess what? Scientists observe the changes that can be seen through fossils, for a start. Darwin observed all kinds of shit on his travels. When you have a fossil of a fish and a fossil of a mammal and a fossil of a mammal with a great many fish-like appendages, the scientific method still stands. It's like seeing someone drop a stone off a building, then turning away before it hits the ground. You didn't see it fall through the air, have no proof for it, but chances are it did.
Th1sWasATriumph 2 years ago
lol, I'm sorry, ThisWasAPhailure. There is NO proof for macro evolution. And micro evolution doesn't prove evolution. as far as mammals with fish-like appendages, whales have connecting joints at its tail similar to the human wrist bone. that doesn't prove that we are one. its radically silly to think so. But, unfortunately you aren't sticking to evolution to be a jerk. you are doing it because its been presented as fact not theory and you've been indoctrinated since you were knee high. :(
5iveAnd2wo 2 years ago
Name-calling, eh? Name-calling even though you think I've been "indoctrinated" and am therefore not responsible for my thoughts. I bet you kick paraplegic kids, too.
As for the whale - well, more proof that you've not done your research. Whales are mammals evolved from land-living creatures. Clearly we are not a whale, and we did not evolve from the same common ancestor - not all transitional forms prove our relationship to a common ape-like ancestor, nor are believed to. Contd.
Th1sWasATriumph 2 years ago
All this talk about sciense and God. Well, OUR GOD should be NATURE. I dont worship any Gods. I worship Nature. And Evolution is a fact. Look at Raptors. They were getting hole bones and feathers (preparing to evolve to fly). Also an insect will boost and edit its own defense. They will become resistant against certain threaths. Scorpions became immune against Nuclear Energy. Now believers from the creation will say: (read my other reply)
SaMyZeR 2 years ago
This is my other reply. They will say: how did life start then in the first place. There are three possibilitys. A metero crashed in the water, and had Bacterias from another planet on it. A thunder strikes in the water, creating Bacterias, who evolved into other beings. Its also sayd that the impact of a meteor can have the same effect. I totaly agree with what you say. Nature is special, and evolution is part of it. (its like a computer, updating, to be protected against the newest virusses)
SaMyZeR 2 years ago
You clearly have no idea how evolution works and are using your own distorted view to support your argument. If God created everything, how come we see so much room for improvement everywhere? How come more animals don't have the defense system of the bombardier beetle? How come the eye isn't better designed, how come the testicles aren't better protected?
The steps are TINY, far tinier than your grossly generalised statement above indicates.
Th1sWasATriumph 3 years ago
as for this: God didn't need to give us defense mechanisms or crushing jaws or sharp claws etc etc etc. We had no need of such a thing in the beginning of creation. You obviously have no idea how creationism works. We didn't even have knowledge of evil until Adam fell. We were given utter dominion over all animals, we had no worry of attacks from humans nor animals.
The question is, if EVOLUTION is true, then why don't we have these things? They would surely be handy, survival of the fittest.
5iveAnd2wo 2 years ago
Well, that's just a flimsy hypothesis based on faith. You have no idea how creationism works because it's a loose and unprovable collection of unscience. Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor that was considerably more suited to living in the wild than us.
That doesn't answer my question, anyway. If everything was designed by God, why do we see room for improvement? Why do we see transitional forms? Why are retroviren traceable back hundreds of generations? Contd.
Th1sWasATriumph 2 years ago
"The question is, if EVOLUTION is true, then why don't we have these things?"
Yet more misunderstanding. Try this: tool-using. As we began using tools to perform tasks that previously relied on claws, or body hair, or teeth, we evolved away from them. The fittest animal would not necessarily be the one with the biggest teeth, it would be the one who could use a rock to attack its prey. Cunning and mental agility rather than brute physical strength emerged as the vital traits. Contd.
Th1sWasATriumph 2 years ago
Apes have been observed to use or manufacture primitive tools. Other animals, such as otters, use natural objects to assist themselves in tasks. In our natural state we are at risk from predators, but as animals with problem-solving brains and the ability to manufacture or use naturally occurring resources is is the INTELLIGENT, more than the strong, that will survive.
Hence our teeth, claws and hair receding. In a few million years they'll be gone entirely.
Th1sWasATriumph 2 years ago
Now, maybe you can tell me about your alternative theory - God. How can you prove God, and why don't you believe in other Gods like Allah, Ra or Anubis? How did God come to be? How come God didn't do a better job in design? (Please, no attributing this to sin).
How can you support creationism when it is refuted on all scientific grounds? Can you give me any proofs that cannot be instantly destroyed? Try hard, now - I've not been given a good argument yet.
Th1sWasATriumph 2 years ago
Have to say sorry to snowballeffect for accidentally pressing spam on one of his replies.. anyway, I disagree with you ;)
drontfader 3 years ago
Interesting video. What an amazing animal ....and I enjoyed the bit of comic relief at the end about the wonder of God.
Hooray for God.
Designing this thing must've taken him a while. It's so amazing, I'm surprised he didn't mention it in that book.
randomclipsofthings 3 years ago
lol?
Squish888 3 years ago
-He Who created the seven heavens one above another: no want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of the Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?
-Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.
(The Holy Quran-67/The Kingdom:3-4)
elazizani 3 years ago
the frog is like...ahhhhh i taste shit!!!!!!!!
L0RDFATAs 3 years ago 5
oh my god!!! the video was good until all the bullshit in the end! what the fuckk!!!
ricknitro 3 years ago 8
daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn right. You win.
freytas2 3 years ago
YES!!!! GOD ROCKS
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
prozack12 3 years ago
in other words, it shits napalm.
TacticalToast619 3 years ago 3
dude u said that on the other vid
UkPR0 3 years ago
so?
TacticalToast619 3 years ago
good video, just thought that the ending was bull-shit.
LordMegatronG1 3 years ago 2
w ww(dot)talkorigins(dot)org/faqs/bombardier(dot)html
DonHoraldo 3 years ago
why
DonHoraldo 3 years ago
i liked it except the ending, tsk tsk tsk
1300713G3D 3 years ago
yah and i say religion is controlled by fear and makes people saps... :/
Jl3laze 3 years ago 2
The ending was retarded. Natural Selection- One beetle came with the heat-resistant skin in that section, which made the solution worked, so it survived and reproduced, spreading that gene to create the race that we know today.
Isaan 3 years ago
A little simple but you get the idea. good job.
scienceminded 3 years ago
lol
i also get the idea
but i cant claim it really happened
bcs i have nothing to support it
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
I knew this was going to be some creationist bullshit, thanks for making me waste 3 minutes.
bananasamichz 3 years ago
I have another question, since you will not answer where the bugs came from. What is your position on the floods effect on geology? For example a common citation is the formation of the Grand Canyon.
scienceminded 3 years ago
Your premise is really, that if it occurred in the past, with no one currently able to witness it, it is illogical to believe it occurred. In forensics, we know people are murdered, we take clues, this person is missing, there is a large amount of their blood here, there is a knife, there is blood on the wall here, we have a footprint. We use all these evidences as well as DNA to give evidence not proof of an event, evolution is the best explanation of the evidence at hand, creation explains 0.
scienceminded 3 years ago 2
THAT'S NOT the argument. If it were, I would be discrediting my own view- kinda. The argument is that these parts in the cell couldn't have evolved through natural selection- using Darwin's own reasoning! Do you believe in Christ rising from the dead? The evidence is there: empty tomb, changed lives(the apostles- from cowards to martyrs), multiple, well-documented eyewitness testimonies...what say you? Will you give me an OLD argument?
ktotam123 3 years ago
Rather than claiming complexity is an indicator of design, which is to verify your premise without logical reasoning or explantion, that is, and argument from ignorance, as well as quoting people to defend yourself, actually raise a coherent and logical argument as to why evolution can't produce these structures. Michael Behe and ID have been thoroughly discredited and his examples of ID have all been shown to be able to evolve in numerous steps. Next time find out if your argument is old.
scienceminded 3 years ago 2
First of all, Behe has not been discredited- they tried but, failed. Second, what's wrong with quoting someone much smarter than I? What idea have YOU put forth that is your own/original? Third, I'll tell you what is old- and that's evolution! And you talk of it and defend it with religious zeal! Why? Because you hate GOD and so desperately NEED evolution to be true in order to 'disprove' Him. That's what I think. You even said 'God lied, God is not good,..' etc. It was an unprovoked attack. (?)
ktotam123 3 years ago
...modifications' of natural selection. Life at the molecular level, he concluded, 'is a loud,clear, piercing cry of DESIGN.' Darwin knew nothing of DNA. And until relatively recently, scientists didn't know what the inside of a cell looked like. You can no longer pretend tha the mutation god created it.
ktotam123 3 years ago
An argument from incredulity will not help you, rather than say it is designed because it looks that way, which is exactly what evolution is supposed to do, make beneficial adjustments and as a result form new functions like in the case of the evolution of a new set of proteins, nylonase. Proteins and regulatory genetics define what an organism is, beneficial mutation has and does produce information and function.
scienceminded 3 years ago
I agree. It's not because you can't explain it that it was made by god. That's exactly the purpose of religion: to explain things that couldn't be explained: emotions, weather, stars... Religions were created, irinically, by rationality: people were trying to explain things they couldn't grasp with the knowledge of their time: it's simply curisosity. I mean now we know how the sun functions, how to cure lots of diseases, predict using maths... everything follows a rational pattern, no?
260191894 3 years ago 2
man, those guys below gave me a headache!....that beetle RULES! :v} can such a creature really have evolved? just pure mindless, random chance? How much faith does it take to believe that? It can't be proven. It would be like a tornado going through a junk yard and assembling a f-16 fighter jet! Made purely by chance/ accident... Actually, the beetle coming into being through chance would be even MORE amazing!
ktotam123 3 years ago
Old terrible analogy, it was a Boeing 747 btw. You fail to grasp that evolution is not random chance, natural selection is not random in any sense, it is clearly seen as a result of resource competition and environmental pressures. Yes the beetle does and has evolved, if it uses DNA it evolves, Nature forces populations, to be made up of only the most well suited organisms, indeed random variation in all populations exists, this is GOOD, more variation gives more chance for successful organisms.
scienceminded 3 years ago
Old terrible analogy, it was a Boeing 747 btw. You fail to grasp that evolution is not random chance, natural selection is not random in any sense, it is clearly seen as a result of resource competition and environmental pressures. Yes the beetle does and has evolved, if it uses DNA it evolves, Nature forces populations, to be made up of only the most well suited organisms, indeed random variation in all populations exists, this is GOOD, more variation gives more chance for successful organisms.
scienceminded 3 years ago
You talk of 'nature' as if it has intelligence and has purpose! Did you notice that? How did ALL this come to be? Did 'nature' DO it- by design? or was it random chance? How does this 'nature' FORCE? and why? does IT have a purpose? or is IT DOING things randomly?(like 'forcing populations')...So, you say variation is random but, I guess, the original was designed by your 'nature'(?)
ktotam123 3 years ago
You dodge the actual concept of evolution instead jumping to a universe that seems to violate natural laws. Search 'creation ex nihilo' for a cosmo-perspective, the universe is likely an imbalance of a neutral field, if a local disturbance of neutrality occurs randomly as quantum mechanics' uncertainty principle suggests, then our reality comes from nothing yet the net sum energy is zero, the B-Bang may be the point of non-symmetry, is gravity equal and opposite to matter? If so matter can exist
scienceminded 3 years ago
creation from nothing? I believe only a great God can do this. Does that not violate scientific laws?
ktotam123 3 years ago
No, in layman's terms, if something is neutral and goes both positive and negative in equal quantities, then their sum value is zero, if the forces in the universe, like gravity pulling at matter as a result of matters existence, then the net amount of energy is zero. At the beginning of time this balance of neutrality was upset, a random and uncaused fluctuation, like physics at the Planck scale predicted by quantum uncertainty, in a false vacuum could produce the values we know as matter/energ
scienceminded 3 years ago
I won't pretend to understand that but, who or what made that 'something' that is neutral? WHo or what made the 'forces' or the universe- who or what created gravity or matter or the 'false vacuum'? Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think almost all scientists agree that the Universe didn't always exist- who or what 'upset' the 'balance of neutrality'?...an 'UNCAUSED fluctuation'??? Who has ever heard of such a thing? I think you have more FAITH than me! :v}
ktotam123 3 years ago
More like it was bound to happen, science is not a system of believe. Rather factual evidence based on findings. Religion comes up with predetermined conclusions i.e God magically did it!
Now life is a mystery, no one truly knows the meaning of life. But to come up with silly conclusions with no effort to research is a lazy and escapist human behavior.
Would I follow the teachings of goat herders over scientists with PHDS and years of research? I think you already know the answer.
ShadowOfAnguish 3 years ago
science makes all kinds of assumptions! It's not all based on findings. I say God 'magically' did it. You say 'nature' magically did it....why do you assume that those who belive in creation are lazy and escapist? Do you think there are no Christian scientists? There are SO MANY great Christian scientists! Among them is Isaac Newton...You with your high and mighty attitude- acting like YOU don't come up with predetermined conclusions- there's just SO MUCH evidence against God creating anything!
ktotam123 3 years ago
Much obliged, the meaning is not what science looks for, only the method, thus far no method via divine will has been observed, natural selection has, mutation, beneficial at that, has been observed, speciation is observed, so much science in unrelated fields confirms this. The one thing about planes and scrap metal, is that if they reproduced, varied, and died, they would evolve just the same, you would probably end up with flying machines in a thousand shapes and sizes.
scienceminded 3 years ago
I don't doubt that MINOR adaptations have been observed, but species evolving into another species NEVER has; and there is NO fossil evidence to support it either. NONE- and after how many years of searching? With billions of fossils? Where is the transitional species fossil? In regard to your plane comment: perhaps you're right but, how did the plane come into being? What started the process? Life does not come from non-life. Life comes from the life-giver: God. Evolution is a THEORY- an idea.
ktotam123 3 years ago
Now that you have said that species do not speciate, I know you know nothing of evolution. The definition of speciation is organisms in a population that are usually separated by environmental and selective pressures or boundaries, each population gathers many MINOR selected variations that help them survive, in a very short time these variations can cause two populations to be incapable, unlikely or disinclined to breed, type 'ring species' on YT, and tell me species don't evolve from ancestors
scienceminded 3 years ago
Great video. Ain't God good!!!
thechessstick 3 years ago
God killed everyone save eight people once, he is not good, he sanctions death, blames others for his mistakes and lies to test us, that is, if you believe what your told.
scienceminded 3 years ago
First, I didn't mean to be condescending- I apologize- really....Your statements about God are a little offensive. I assume you don't believe account of Noah and the story of Abraham. Concerning God's character, could it be that as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are His ways higher than ours- and that you're misunderstanding something there? I remember as a child making wrong conclusions about my parents because I just didn't have the ability to understand. He alone is GOOD.
ktotam123 3 years ago
mrkindt, don't try too hard to convicnce this simpleton scienceminded that there is a God he has decided to follow the foolish teachings of man and has chosen his own God, Satan.
...Shalom....
thechessstick 3 years ago
The sheer stupidity that a sentient being could come up such an explanation is more amazing than the beetle.
ShadowOfAnguish 3 years ago
I don't appreciate the condescension in your remark, I have taken the time to understand both sides of the argument and am well aware of your position and why you hold it, I have seen no understanding of evolutionary theory from you as of yet and am disinclined to believe you will learn in the future. However I can cite numerous examples of logistical incongruities of the genesis account that I would value your opinion and input on, would you care to hear me out?
scienceminded 3 years ago
the understanding of evolution I have was given me by our great public school system that crammed it down my throat as the gospel truth- not spending one second on alternative views. As far as Genesis goes, sure I'll hear you out. But I suspect you'll ask questions that I might not be able to answer quickly...but maybe I will/ can...I'll try.
ktotam123 3 years ago
can do, talk within the week k
scienceminded 3 years ago
This is a several part question, why do we have immune systems?
scienceminded 3 years ago
are you asking me to ascribe PURPOSE to something that some non-intelligent, impersonal 'force', 'developed' within us? - My answer is that we are designed by God this way so that we are not killed by every little 'bug' that comes down the pike. But, you see, I BELIEVE Genesis. Before 'the fall' there were no 'bugs'- either that or we were one big immune system! :v} 'Immune' even to death! Here's a question for you: Who is Christ Jesus- Yeshua?
ktotam123 3 years ago
Let me be more specific, why do we have the immune system we have 'designed' for the bugs. If no bugs existed where did they come from?
scienceminded 3 years ago
Well, um... after 'the fall' everything changed. Through sin came death and corruption- and disease- 'bugs', if you will...I don't know how to answer your question. Maybe immune systems were put in us because of God's foreknowledge. Or we were made to adapt- I believe in MICROevolution. I just don't believe in 'algae' turning into a fish and then becoming a frog, then a snake, then a mammal, etc. And science has never proven that. And the fossil record doesn't show this either.
ktotam123 3 years ago
Ah yes God's foreknowledge, if you didn't know the immune system is complex, it couldn't evolve in a few years, so God knowing of our fall, essentially makes Eve's choice irrelevant, thus punishing us for something he caused to happen by creating us. Prokaryotes evolved into Eukaryotes, these specialized into colonies, colonies formed specialized tissues, bilateral symmetry evolved, proto fish without spines, but noto-chords, developed into chordates, lobe finned fish's fins specialized into...
scienceminded 3 years ago
...the proto legs became true legs, these amphibians became reptiles, reptiles branched into dinosaurs, turtles etc. One branch were the Synapsids or mammal like reptiles, true mammals evolved, primates, great apes, many iterations of humanlike ansecestors, modern homo sapien-sapiens like us. All took 4.5 billion years, each group is in the fossil record, no fossils intrude earlier or later stata. We would expect intrusion after a flood, which requires gigatons of water.
scienceminded 3 years ago
There is NO proof for any of this- even after 150 yrs. of intense searching. It is a story made up to explain life; and YOU need it to be true to explain away God. Besides, evolution has been proven to be false: Using Darwin's own self-serving standard for himself: 'If it could be demonstrated that ANY complex organ organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would ABSOLUTELY break down.' Lehigh Univ. biochemist Michael Behe...
ktotam123 3 years ago
As for it being made up, you wanted fossils that exist between one another, that share morphology of two distinct phylum, they exist and we study them, it IS an inference that the sequence is a line of descent, but we know evolution above the level of species occurs, over the time period we calculate there is nothing stopping continued genetic drift, specialization and novel function. I would like to see positive evidence of Creation though.
scienceminded 3 years ago
Do you own a mirror? :v}
ktotam123 3 years ago
How cute, but both concepts end with me, any 'model' based on creation is absurd and physically impossible, no evidence of the supernatural in favor of creation has been found. Until any theory that can rationally explain our world and the many features it has in favor of creation, evolution, geology, cosmology, genetics and physics will still be in favor of my position.
scienceminded 3 years ago
there is no real distinction between micro and macro evolution and are not common in scientific discussion, speciation is however well established fact, more speciation widens the gap. How can you walk a mile without taking one step at a time?
scienceminded 3 years ago
...produced various 'irreducibly complex' mechanisms. A bacterial motor, called a flagellum, depends on the coordinated interaction of 30-40 complex protein parts. The absence of almost any one of them would render it useless. An animal cell's cilium is made up of about 200 protein parts. All of them have to be working at the same time for the cilium or flagellum to work. It is mathematically impossible for all these parts to have been brought together by 'numerous successive, slight..(cont.abov
ktotam123 3 years ago
Oh yes, I have never been formally tought evolution, you don't need indoctrination to understand something, especially not scientific.
scienceminded 3 years ago
And concerning Genesis and 'bugs', 'the fall' and the consequences, etc. I think it's interesting that it says that Adam lived for 930 years. Seth, 912. Enosh, 905, etc. And now what is the average lifespan? 74? You probably don't believe Genesis but, maybe you could give this some thought and see how it might mesh with your views of origins/ evolution. (?)
ktotam123 3 years ago
If I'm repeating myself sry. That isn't how debate works, I find no factual basis to include your faith into my line of reasoning. I still am waiting for your view on where the bugs came from, did God make them, Satan, evolution? Not really. As for Noah the bible creates two population bottle necks for humans, creation and the flood, the 'kinds' (pairs or 7's btw?) would need to breed, mutate and speciate at deadly rates to produce the variation on earth.
scienceminded 3 years ago
Sorry I'm not including every other line of descent, like marsupial evolution, other mammals, the rest of the dinosaurs, birds or the equally long Arthropod line of descent, but you can find them all or I can briefly summarize them later.
scienceminded 3 years ago
Sry YT was being stupid
scienceminded 3 years ago
wow that is amazing,very interesting.thnx for sharing it.
wickedreemzzz510 4 years ago
very interesting great vid.
Yorku1986 4 years ago
Great vid
The heat resistant material the beetle has on its body will be an interesting technology to harness.
myvarsity 4 years ago
Keep this a secret from the Americans, before you know we will have bobadier troops in Iraq.
uni000ver000sal 4 years ago
Amazing creatue....
EmbracingTheTruth 4 years ago
lol @ HighFlyingDutchman he said 'I like this beetle'
now I don't know if I exactly LIKE this beetle but he is quite amazing
purity786 4 years ago
very interesting ... thank you!
someonewhocansee 4 years ago
wonderful Vid 10/10
taano71 4 years ago
thanks for the awsome videos :)
electrigal 4 years ago
Wow!!!That's Was A Superb Thanks 4 sharing.
witir 4 years ago
wow subhanallah, nice.
wassim88 4 years ago