okay, anyone that says that coheed is better than rush is straight retarded. believe i LOVE coheed wayyy more than rush, but Neil Peart alone has more technical talent than anyone in coheed. rush has been around for over 30 years. they have influenced thousand of bands after them. then win. they are legendary. coheed is getting there though:)
But when you get right down to it, Rush comes out on top. But honestly it doesn't matter. Coheed makes some sick mother fucking music. And I am so happy that I get to hear them everyday and got to see them twice live.
Claudio has stated in several interviews that he almost NEVER listened to rush. "Rush...They were just one of those bands that I DIDN'T listen to." Direct quote - "The Fiction Will See The Real - Documentary" Travis....didn't listen to them. Josh...didn't listen to them. They liked bands such as Iron Maiden, Thin Lizzy, Led Zepplin ect.....Geddy was good....Claudio is better...and his concept, and music composing ability is far more different, and better than geddy, or Rush...Rush is alright tho
Coheed is a very good band. I can't stop listening to this song, 21:13. But Rush are legends. One of the top 10 ever, alongside Beatles, Zep, Stones, Van Halen, etc. If you're just unfamiliar, take a bonghit and listen to their early stuff, 2112, Hemisperes, or Farewell to Kings. Then again, my old bandmate hated both Coheed & Rush.
I dont get why some of you scenester fucks get all riled up when somebody compares Coheed to Rush, Its a compliment. Rush is one of the most musically dynamic bands to ever hold a contract, and has more musical talent than most bands combined. Geddy is pretty much the best rock bassist ever, and easily the most talented frontman, alex is just plain unique on the guitar, and neil created a whole new world of drumming
@RacinNdrummin The reason that the fanbase hates that is not that they are compared, it's when someone says they're just a modern day Rush. They have similarities, but in no way are they that close. However I agree that it is a compliment for them to be compared to Rush, I feel like Mic is one of the closest things to Geddy when it comes to talent as a rock bassist, especially among modern day bands.
Rush was great in their hayday and still are a bit but i hate ppl that give modern music flak because they dont innovate. FUCK THAT i hate guys that blow classic rock bands(such as Aerosmith, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd) because they "innovated" (even though there were hundreds of bands that were doing what they did....). give all music and chance and instead of finnding music on the radio go digging for music and research because you'll definitely find a band youre into cuz dats how i found coheed.
Ok people, on the Neverender dvd Claudio say and i quote "I dont even lison to rush." How the hell is Coheed and Cambria supost to be like rush when the lead singer does not lison to them? Ask your selfs that.
Sure, no similarities between the bands... except for mixing prog and rock, vocals that are higher than average in pitch, lyrics dealing with fantasy/sci-fi/concept subject matter... it's just remarkable that they'd end up so close without being heavily influenced by them.
As for Rush sucking compared to them, don't make me laugh. I like Coheed a lot, but talk to me when they've got 20+ records, many of which are excellent, and have displayed the kind of musical diversity and ability Rush has.
i have to agree with u sir im a HUGE coheed fan but u cannot compare them to Rush. Rush has more gold and platinum albums than coheed can fathom. i prefer coheed over rush for the sheer fact that they actually bring a uniqueness to this conformist shit we call music these days.
well actually i read an interview where claudio said that they intentionally progged the hell out of this song just for kicks as a sort of a quasi-homage to classic prog bands such as Rush. However he mantains, as does the rest of the band that they were not at all influenced by them, but more by bands like iron maiden
OMFG PEOPLE STFU RUSH AND CoCa ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT BANDS!!!!!!! AND IN MY OPINION RUSH SUCKS COMPARED TO THESE GUYS, BUT HEY THATS JUST MY OPINION, STOP WITH THE FUCKING COMPARISONS YOU RETARDS, THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT EACH OTHER, AND THE SONG HAS NOTHING TO DEAL WITH EM!
It's not a tribute, no, but there is a Rush refference in this song. The 21:13 thing is just a coincedence in the story line. The Rush riff in the song is sort of a joke.
From what I had heard a few years ago when IKSOSE:3 first came out, the title was a sort of Rush tribute only because so many people had compared Claudio's voice to Geddy Lee's voice (of Rush). Since every concert but one that I've seen has involved either Coheed or Rush, I"ve got to say that there's no disrespect to either band by making a 2113 title.
Obviously "SoEpicRightNow" you're not as epic as you think, and have never heard of the word "Amazing" which is a synonym for the band Rush. Not to mention they're probably ten times the musician you'll ever. I agree with you that Coheed and Cambria is good, but you're just an ignorant prick.
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rush fucking sucks, comeon guys. i mean it's a common thing. your gonna here someone say "rush sucks" at one point in your life. hell why not make a t-shirt with the slogan? c&c is good
Yeah, I met them back in the day, and when I was talking to mike he was walking away with two hooker looking bitches and a look of urgency on his face. I was an addict, so I knew exactly what he was doing, but nobody believed me when I told them.
There is no point in arguing about Josh's departure, I know him personally, so I know why he left. Unless you know him yourself, you wouldn't understand his reasoning.
no actually this song was after people was saying they sound like rush. and they said wow we kind of do never listend to them. so this song is coheed haveing fun and writing a rush tune kind of as a joke. so quit the bitching and enjoy it
Holy shit! Coheed is NOT influenced by Rush! they say so themselves! their influences are Pink Floyd, Thin Lizzy, and Iron Maiden. NOT rush. the only similarities between Geddy lee and claudio are they both have high voices. nothing more.
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yo for the record this particular song was molded after a rush type format. The 2113 should be obvious to anyone, not to mention a lil bit of reggae sound. Plus on the album version Claudio has his pitch set so high to sound a lil more like Geddy Lee. Its by far his highest pitched song vocally. If Coheed wasn't influenced by Rush in any way, then its THE biggest coincidence IN THE WORLD
They didn't model the song after Rush! They didn't even know who Rush were at the time. And he makes his voice sound higher because he's singing the song from a child's point of view at certain points. He explained in an interview what that was all about.
And the 2113 - 2112 Coincidence is explained in the story behind Coheed and Cambria. 2113 refers to a time in the story that is very important in the first album. This song is basically refering to the song "everything evil"
AT FIRST THEY WEREN'T. However, after hearing them later on they made this song so progressive in regards to Rush.
"There's that 2113 song which is kind of a joke (laughing). We just made it obviously so proggy and we had a good time doin' it. You know, we like to play those kind of songs"
YES he says they weren't influenced in the interview, but that changed after hearing about it.
And in the interview where Josh claimed they weren't influenced by Rush when they started, it shows they now are. "There's that 2113 song which is kind of a joke (laughing). We just made it obviously so proggy and we had a good time doin' it. You know, we like to play those kind of songs" Meaning at first they weren't but after hearing of the comparison they checked them out and did something in regards to Rush.
Coheed was influenced by Rush, there's no doubt. Rush is one of the most popular prog. Rock bands and it's obvious Claudio has been fascinated with sci-fi things, which a lot of Rush is. Also this song was named after a Rush song, 2112.
And in regards to Coheed trying to be as BIG and popular as Rush? That's insane. Coheed are not attempting to be as big as any band.
Whydicare is right, in an interview with Josh Eppard back in April 2005, he stated "neither he or the other band members are Rush fans or are influenced by Rush."
Yes that's right. Claudio and Travis purposely kicked out Josh and Mic to sabotage their own tour. Fucking idiot. Josh left the band for his hip hop thing.
actually josh rocks and is so much of a better drummer than that bald ass chris pennie. coheed lost a really great band member. and i dont think josh liked the idea that coheed was completely selling out. their new stuff sucks compared to their old music.
I'll go ahead and say pennie is a much better drummer technically. Pennie is a great drummer. BUT, Josh was better for Coheed's style definitely, Pennie should've stuck to Dillinger.
Josh is great, and I love his style and playing, but he isn't even close to being on the same level as Pennie. Chris Pennie is capable of doing things that Josh couldn't even imagine.
That being said, Josh was a better match for Coheed, but then again, I still need to hear what Chris does with them on their next album.
hmm, ive seen coheed twice since they had chris join, and he's terrible for them. He's to adventurous in places and loses time, which even claudio noticed last time i saw them, and when it comes to playing some of joshs parts from the first good apollo record, well, they may as well have not bothered doing the songs.
chris = good clinic drummer, but terrible coheed drummer.
Joshs parts on good apollo are very musical and original, chris didn't seem to be able to play the grooves the way they were written or intended to be played. Josh has an amazing feel which is very hard to replicate, and chris just doesn't seem up to the challenge of staying simple. Sure Josh does have flare i places, but even his most technical fills are musical and in time, chris however reverts to 16th note triplets all the time and gets lost in the song. even taylor would have been better.
It's funny to hear him say that Rush was "overrated"...I like C&C but they are nowhere near the status of Rush...Alex Lifeson (lead guitar) and Neal Peart (Drums) have more musical talent than anybody in C&C...and Geddy Lee's vocals are just as "unique" as Claudio's just in a different way
you know everyone compares c&c to rush. i think they sound way more like led zep, and pink floyd than rush. especially the last two albums. i mean "the final cut", thats the name of a floyd album. welcome home reflects cashmere(zep), and nwft is full of floyd and zep-esque riffs. get past the high octave vocals, and the comparision broadens...
I think most ppl compare Coheed to Rush because to the posers coheed's just some band with some big-haired guy with a high voice, and Rush's lead singer has a high voice too
But if people actually listened to Coheed more they'd develope a better opinion
who cares... this song is great. They sound like Rush sometimes... who cares? it's influence, every musician is influenced by others. 21:13 is amazing, especially as apart of the story
Ok guys these guys are influenced by Rush. If the werent why would the bass player have a Geddy Lee Jazz bass? And in the new album why is The Hounds opening guitar riff similer to Rushes YYZ?
yea, maybe INFLUENCED...slightly....ALOT of people play geddy lees sig bass u fucking momo....its a great bass. coheed is miles ahead of rush rite now. even in rush's prime i might officially say that coheed has them by the balls
You obviously know nothing about Rush or are in denial. Just some punk who worships C&C. Eventhough I do like C&C, they could only dream to be as big as Rush was in their prime. If you don't recognize the amount of talent in Rush then you don't know what talent is.
the song 21:13 has nothing to do with the band RUSH or any of their songs. you guys should read the story before you make any more inaccurate assumptions.
Rush isn't one of Coheed's influences. In fact, Claudio has even said that he had never listened to Rush until so many people told him he sounded like Geddy Lee.
21:13 is the time on a clock (when Coheed kills josephine I think) in one of the Second Stage Turbine Blade comic book.
I'd say that Rush is an influence by proxy, as Claudio has cited Dream Theater as an influence, whom have cited Rush as a great influence.
Besides, regardless of whether they openly cite bands like Rush as influences, the fact that they subscribe to the label of "Prog", they automatically owe Prog pioneers like Rush their allegiance. They're an indirect influence.
i refuse to believe that someone like claudio had never heard rush before... you are retarded... OH YEAHHHH, by the way, you fucktard, listen to the beginnings of "2112" and "2113"... because it's OBVIOUS where claudio got his inspiration. You're ignorant, you just want to think that claudio is 100% original... He's pretty damn amazing, but not original.
they do have many rush influences but id say hes very original. i mean this song is very like rush because this is claudios tribute to them. but claudio, coheed in general, are very original musicians
He has heard Rush, but only AFTER he heard about being compared to Geddy Lee. So depending on when this happened, 21:13 may or may not be inspired a bit by 2112. So don't be a douche to people.
Just because he's the lead singer of a huge band, doesn't mean he has to listen to every classic rock band.
It IS possible that he never listened to Rush until a couple years ago....AFTER he started Co&Ca.
no... 21:13 it's a time, 2112 is a year and 21:13 has a another meaning and that's from the story "The Amory Wars" and..ok...let's say "he named the song 21:13 after 2112" why the fuck do people compare Geedy Lee To Claudio? yes both high pitched but they dont sound Nothing alike...
uhhhhhhh, lucky number 11... youre ignorant... its like coheeds little tribute to their number one influence and the greatest progressive rock song of all time, "2112" by Rush... and its titled that because its supposed to be in the distant future, like the year 2112, or 2113.... and soccer titan... i think we can all "infer" that you are retarded
wait is it true that some people are trying to decipher the songs of the co and ca.. i know claudio is writing some fictional comic book but according to some there song has a secret story...
Didn't know who rush was? What kind of a retard doesnt know who rush is... definitely not claudio sanchez. PLUS, i have it from a reliable source, someone who seriously worships clauidio, that he said in an interview that he listened nonstop to rush during the recording of in keeping secrets in order to be inspired
and im also a claudio worshupper and ive seen interviews where he has said that he didnt listen to rush. he knew who they were but didnt know their music. and i didnt know rush till i heard coheed was like them. and i hate rush anyway
Yay!!! I was here, they played an acoustic set, then the electric, ohhhh god, it was beautiful. I wish I could do it all over again, every day of the week!!
when/ where was this?
GodzillaVsMyDick 7 months ago
I have that effect on my amplifier!!!! everything is magic!
Numanumatic 8 months ago
although they werent rush fans according to claudio the first band he played for was a rush cover band its in the neverender dvd
shroudedassassian 1 year ago
@shroudedassassian The band he started with Pat sayers, they auditioned a guitarist who, if joined the band, would want the band to play rush covers.
heedfan16 1 year ago
okay, anyone that says that coheed is better than rush is straight retarded. believe i LOVE coheed wayyy more than rush, but Neil Peart alone has more technical talent than anyone in coheed. rush has been around for over 30 years. they have influenced thousand of bands after them. then win. they are legendary. coheed is getting there though:)
dpucci0493 1 year ago
they are two totally different fucking bands. rush is cool, coheed is better, get over yourselves. quit comparing the two.
piratejames11 1 year ago
This song is propa lethal
Ne1musicband 1 year ago
Huge Heed and Rush fan (looks at username)
But when you get right down to it, Rush comes out on top. But honestly it doesn't matter. Coheed makes some sick mother fucking music. And I am so happy that I get to hear them everyday and got to see them twice live.
21rush12 2 years ago
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bassists are lame anyways
monkyman987 2 years ago
kill yourself
rugsauce 2 years ago
This.
CorporateNothing 2 years ago
Claudio has stated in several interviews that he almost NEVER listened to rush. "Rush...They were just one of those bands that I DIDN'T listen to." Direct quote - "The Fiction Will See The Real - Documentary" Travis....didn't listen to them. Josh...didn't listen to them. They liked bands such as Iron Maiden, Thin Lizzy, Led Zepplin ect.....Geddy was good....Claudio is better...and his concept, and music composing ability is far more different, and better than geddy, or Rush...Rush is alright tho
cherokee974 2 years ago
Claudio is better at what??????
Sorry dude, Geddy will hand claudio his ass...... On the bass.
RacinNdrummin 2 years ago
claudio is a better singer than geddy and claudio can play the shit out of the guitar, which everybody knows, is better than the bass
thisdayjustbelongedt 2 years ago
Apparently youve never heard geddy play the bass.......
RacinNdrummin 2 years ago
no i hav and hes a great bassist but i would prefer a great guitarist over a great bassist any day
thisdayjustbelongedt 2 years ago
Geddy Lee is a bassist and one of the best of all time. On the other hand, Coheed might have the best bassist (Mic Todd) currently in music.
Shabutie97 2 years ago 6
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Coheed and Cambria is a crappy band all around. Rush is the best by far.
pivot174 2 years ago
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Rush is shit. Coheed is light years ahead of rush
Shabutie554 2 years ago
wtf? The most ignorant comment I have ever read on youtube. You have no clue.
razorblade42069 2 years ago
@razorblade42069 maybe a little overboard. I just dont like Rush. I respect their muscial capabilities though.
Shabutie554 2 years ago
Coheed is a very good band. I can't stop listening to this song, 21:13. But Rush are legends. One of the top 10 ever, alongside Beatles, Zep, Stones, Van Halen, etc. If you're just unfamiliar, take a bonghit and listen to their early stuff, 2112, Hemisperes, or Farewell to Kings. Then again, my old bandmate hated both Coheed & Rush.
razorblade42069 2 years ago
heard that
monkyman987 2 years ago
dude. coheed is amazing. but they arent better than rush.
mc2drums 2 years ago
So true, rush is amazing
pivot174 2 years ago
I am a huge Rush fan.
I am a huge Coheed Fan.
I dont get why some of you scenester fucks get all riled up when somebody compares Coheed to Rush, Its a compliment. Rush is one of the most musically dynamic bands to ever hold a contract, and has more musical talent than most bands combined. Geddy is pretty much the best rock bassist ever, and easily the most talented frontman, alex is just plain unique on the guitar, and neil created a whole new world of drumming
RacinNdrummin 2 years ago 12
And he influnced more drummers than any other drummer in history.
I think coheed is this generations rush. I absolutely love how they take the new styles prominent now and prog it out.
RacinNdrummin 2 years ago
@RacinNdrummin The reason that the fanbase hates that is not that they are compared, it's when someone says they're just a modern day Rush. They have similarities, but in no way are they that close. However I agree that it is a compliment for them to be compared to Rush, I feel like Mic is one of the closest things to Geddy when it comes to talent as a rock bassist, especially among modern day bands.
GodModeGaming 3 months ago
@RacinNdrummin fuck rush. Neil's an overrated fagget
BulrogtheSorcerer 1 month ago
coheed and cambria are unique! i love them.
haters stfu; seriouslyy.
eatmedrinkme916 2 years ago
Rush was great in their hayday and still are a bit but i hate ppl that give modern music flak because they dont innovate. FUCK THAT i hate guys that blow classic rock bands(such as Aerosmith, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd) because they "innovated" (even though there were hundreds of bands that were doing what they did....). give all music and chance and instead of finnding music on the radio go digging for music and research because you'll definitely find a band youre into cuz dats how i found coheed.
BurningBlackAtNite 2 years ago
Ok people, on the Neverender dvd Claudio say and i quote "I dont even lison to rush." How the hell is Coheed and Cambria supost to be like rush when the lead singer does not lison to them? Ask your selfs that.
Neverenderfan 2 years ago
Sure, no similarities between the bands... except for mixing prog and rock, vocals that are higher than average in pitch, lyrics dealing with fantasy/sci-fi/concept subject matter... it's just remarkable that they'd end up so close without being heavily influenced by them.
As for Rush sucking compared to them, don't make me laugh. I like Coheed a lot, but talk to me when they've got 20+ records, many of which are excellent, and have displayed the kind of musical diversity and ability Rush has.
JimboFStick 2 years ago 3
i have to agree with u sir im a HUGE coheed fan but u cannot compare them to Rush. Rush has more gold and platinum albums than coheed can fathom. i prefer coheed over rush for the sheer fact that they actually bring a uniqueness to this conformist shit we call music these days.
BurningBlackAtNite 2 years ago 2
You cannot compare Rush and Coheed and Cambria, besides the fact both bands have a singer with a unique voice, Coheed and Cambria is amazing btw.
flamesRules 3 years ago
well actually i read an interview where claudio said that they intentionally progged the hell out of this song just for kicks as a sort of a quasi-homage to classic prog bands such as Rush. However he mantains, as does the rest of the band that they were not at all influenced by them, but more by bands like iron maiden
StarfishRoger 3 years ago
OMFG PEOPLE STFU RUSH AND CoCa ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT BANDS!!!!!!! AND IN MY OPINION RUSH SUCKS COMPARED TO THESE GUYS, BUT HEY THATS JUST MY OPINION, STOP WITH THE FUCKING COMPARISONS YOU RETARDS, THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT EACH OTHER, AND THE SONG HAS NOTHING TO DEAL WITH EM!
negrochips 3 years ago
sry josephine dies later about 1245 not 2113 ( 9:13) check comic 2 pver claudios shoulder
queencamper 3 years ago
so is this a tribute to rush or not? im so confused!! i hope not though
xxliveforlovexx999 3 years ago
NO. I like Rush, but this is nothing close to a tribute. They may have similar names, but they are NOTHING like eachother. It's an original song.
Cameron227700 3 years ago 2
thanks!! i was so confused :/
xxliveforlovexx999 3 years ago
There's a damn Rush riff in it...
It's not a tribute, no, but there is a Rush refference in this song. The 21:13 thing is just a coincedence in the story line. The Rush riff in the song is sort of a joke.
GodsentHellraiser 3 years ago
What Hellraiser said is pretty much spot on. Coheed never really heard anything of Rush until after In Keeping Secrets.
The 2113, if I can remember properly, is a reference to when some clock stopped while Josephine was being killed.
I dunno. I'm probably dead wrong, considering the story has been changed around over the last year, and I haven't read many of the comics : /
havoknuk 3 years ago
Nah man. Defenwolf (sp?) gave Coheed a certain time that he had to kill his kids by: 21:13.
"When the clock reads 21:13, all work will stop and the ground will release".
Kill them by 21:13 or the world is doomed.
GodsentHellraiser 3 years ago
Ahh, see, you're on the ball my friend :D
havoknuk 3 years ago
From what I had heard a few years ago when IKSOSE:3 first came out, the title was a sort of Rush tribute only because so many people had compared Claudio's voice to Geddy Lee's voice (of Rush). Since every concert but one that I've seen has involved either Coheed or Rush, I"ve got to say that there's no disrespect to either band by making a 2113 title.
magnerfan1 3 years ago
Josh= 10000 times better drummer than chris. imagine what this song would sound like without him... i think it would sound like utter shit
mewithoutYou49 3 years ago 3
haha good one chris = better tech all im gunna say
CoheedAndSanchez 3 years ago
agreed, but for coheed, josh was key
neilmx7 3 years ago
i guess...
CoheedAndSanchez 3 years ago
true that man
belvederepunk 3 years ago
Ugh, I wish I could see this when they do the Neverender tour here....
My girlfriend wanted to go see GAIBSIV instead of IKSSE -_-
Grrrrrr
arrrghSAM 3 years ago
tell her tough titties and go see in keeping secrets anyway
peeblesj1131 3 years ago
Haha, It's all good, I convinced her to buy me tickets for SSTB for my birthday, my good ol' favourite out of all four! :D
arrrghSAM 3 years ago
awesome lol
LoveIsNotEnoughJesse 3 years ago
We're gonna see this song again on the 'Neverender' tour!
I just wish we didn't have to wait until Wednesday to know the London dates!
Jameswade2k 3 years ago
i envy you so much...
Allmanfan456 3 years ago
AAAAAHAAHAHAHAHA... did anyone else notice the tags... tig ol bitties
ManBearJTS 3 years ago
yes!
k9guy1 3 years ago
Obviously "SoEpicRightNow" you're not as epic as you think, and have never heard of the word "Amazing" which is a synonym for the band Rush. Not to mention they're probably ten times the musician you'll ever. I agree with you that Coheed and Cambria is good, but you're just an ignorant prick.
This video rocks.
ctavaresjr 3 years ago
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rush fucking sucks, comeon guys. i mean it's a common thing. your gonna here someone say "rush sucks" at one point in your life. hell why not make a t-shirt with the slogan? c&c is good
SoEpicRightNow 3 years ago
I heard josh was poppin pills.
Nikko92 3 years ago
um no he wasnt
you dont jack shit so shut the fuck up
totsuo831 3 years ago
actually josh was popping pills and thats why he left the band. and mike used to be a heroin addict but hes fine now
vhatvhere 3 years ago
thats also why mic doesnt drink anymore.
and yeah, josh was takin pills.
Gamester2091 3 years ago
Yeah, I met them back in the day, and when I was talking to mike he was walking away with two hooker looking bitches and a look of urgency on his face. I was an addict, so I knew exactly what he was doing, but nobody believed me when I told them.
deepelmdesciple 3 years ago
shut up deepelmdesciple, your such a liar.
cobaltandlies 3 years ago
I'm not lying, it happened in philly '04. If I find the ticket I'll give you the date. Back when they still toured in the Winnebago.
deepelmdesciple 3 years ago
yes he was, so you, shut the fuck up totsuo. lol
cobaltandlies 3 years ago
There is no point in arguing about Josh's departure, I know him personally, so I know why he left. Unless you know him yourself, you wouldn't understand his reasoning.
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You don't know him personally, and thats that.
TheSecondStage 3 years ago 2
hm....
this was marked as spam.....
and killersdude272 doesnt have any videos watched other than this one, he doesnt any favorites or anything like that
so i wonder......
is mistersamza aka the guy who posted this video killersdude272
my bet is that he is
totsuo831 3 years ago
5:40-5:58 = Best Part of the Song.
Just watch Josh...he is so fucking amazing...God damn it I wish he would come back.
EverythingEvil007 3 years ago
nah i love the time consumer intro part right after that ^^
vinceAluvnaruto 3 years ago
agreed, that is such an epic twist to the song. they should play more things like that.
theone0103 3 years ago
i miss josh
lonnmaj15 3 years ago
no actually this song was after people was saying they sound like rush. and they said wow we kind of do never listend to them. so this song is coheed haveing fun and writing a rush tune kind of as a joke. so quit the bitching and enjoy it
nickseditious 3 years ago
Damn. Wish I'd seen this one. So fucking good.
warukero 3 years ago
both of you shut the fuck up!! enjoy the sound that brings life to this earth!!! enjoy coheed and cambria!!!
vonluden38 3 years ago 2
Holy shit! Coheed is NOT influenced by Rush! they say so themselves! their influences are Pink Floyd, Thin Lizzy, and Iron Maiden. NOT rush. the only similarities between Geddy lee and claudio are they both have high voices. nothing more.
Drooce 3 years ago
i agree!
vinceAluvnaruto 3 years ago
That, and they are both amazing musicians ;)
ctavaresjr 3 years ago
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yo for the record this particular song was molded after a rush type format. The 2113 should be obvious to anyone, not to mention a lil bit of reggae sound. Plus on the album version Claudio has his pitch set so high to sound a lil more like Geddy Lee. Its by far his highest pitched song vocally. If Coheed wasn't influenced by Rush in any way, then its THE biggest coincidence IN THE WORLD
bgouch6 4 years ago
They didn't model the song after Rush! They didn't even know who Rush were at the time. And he makes his voice sound higher because he's singing the song from a child's point of view at certain points. He explained in an interview what that was all about.
SquareRootsFilms 4 years ago 2
No, A Favor House Atlantic is his highest pitched song, and for the record Claudio > Geddy, in every way imaginable
Shabutie545 3 years ago
And the 2113 - 2112 Coincidence is explained in the story behind Coheed and Cambria. 2113 refers to a time in the story that is very important in the first album. This song is basically refering to the song "everything evil"
mikelsonhowell 3 years ago
I know the comics, but read what I quote
AT FIRST THEY WEREN'T. However, after hearing them later on they made this song so progressive in regards to Rush.
"There's that 2113 song which is kind of a joke (laughing). We just made it obviously so proggy and we had a good time doin' it. You know, we like to play those kind of songs"
YES he says they weren't influenced in the interview, but that changed after hearing about it.
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kennyt13 4 years ago
And in the interview where Josh claimed they weren't influenced by Rush when they started, it shows they now are. "There's that 2113 song which is kind of a joke (laughing). We just made it obviously so proggy and we had a good time doin' it. You know, we like to play those kind of songs" Meaning at first they weren't but after hearing of the comparison they checked them out and did something in regards to Rush.
kennyt13 4 years ago
yeah, basically awesome. you and me are the only ones who can comprehend what they read of here.
yesiknow12991 3 years ago
Coheed was influenced by Rush, there's no doubt. Rush is one of the most popular prog. Rock bands and it's obvious Claudio has been fascinated with sci-fi things, which a lot of Rush is. Also this song was named after a Rush song, 2112.
And in regards to Coheed trying to be as BIG and popular as Rush? That's insane. Coheed are not attempting to be as big as any band.
kennyt13 4 years ago
Whydicare is right, in an interview with Josh Eppard back in April 2005, he stated "neither he or the other band members are Rush fans or are influenced by Rush."
Awesome song, by the way.
dawnuld1 4 years ago
really doesn't matter what josh said cause hes a crackhead. and he got kicked out of the band.
yesiknow12991 3 years ago
Yes that's right. Claudio and Travis purposely kicked out Josh and Mic to sabotage their own tour. Fucking idiot. Josh left the band for his hip hop thing.
oscarstegland 3 years ago
actually josh rocks and is so much of a better drummer than that bald ass chris pennie. coheed lost a really great band member. and i dont think josh liked the idea that coheed was completely selling out. their new stuff sucks compared to their old music.
catsorpiebald 3 years ago
I wouldn't say it sucks, but it does feel like it has less... humanity? soul? I dunno. It's not as... Coheed, y'know?
warukero 3 years ago
I'll go ahead and say pennie is a much better drummer technically. Pennie is a great drummer. BUT, Josh was better for Coheed's style definitely, Pennie should've stuck to Dillinger.
Zcococo 3 years ago 2
eh i dunno if he should have
therewere really bad tensions in that band before pennie left
i like josh better hes my favorite drummer ever
he influenced my style a ridiculous amount
totsuo831 3 years ago
Josh is great, and I love his style and playing, but he isn't even close to being on the same level as Pennie. Chris Pennie is capable of doing things that Josh couldn't even imagine.
That being said, Josh was a better match for Coheed, but then again, I still need to hear what Chris does with them on their next album.
xhilikus 3 years ago
hmm, ive seen coheed twice since they had chris join, and he's terrible for them. He's to adventurous in places and loses time, which even claudio noticed last time i saw them, and when it comes to playing some of joshs parts from the first good apollo record, well, they may as well have not bothered doing the songs.
chris = good clinic drummer, but terrible coheed drummer.
20wattsofDeath 3 years ago
what do u mean about the GA songs?
relyanddefy 3 years ago
Joshs parts on good apollo are very musical and original, chris didn't seem to be able to play the grooves the way they were written or intended to be played. Josh has an amazing feel which is very hard to replicate, and chris just doesn't seem up to the challenge of staying simple. Sure Josh does have flare i places, but even his most technical fills are musical and in time, chris however reverts to 16th note triplets all the time and gets lost in the song. even taylor would have been better.
20wattsofDeath 3 years ago
I miss josh, he played like i do and that was cool, not to mention he was wicked good.
StarfishRoger 3 years ago
dude, your an idiot, i hate you
totsuo831 3 years ago
It's funny to hear him say that Rush was "overrated"...I like C&C but they are nowhere near the status of Rush...Alex Lifeson (lead guitar) and Neal Peart (Drums) have more musical talent than anybody in C&C...and Geddy Lee's vocals are just as "unique" as Claudio's just in a different way
SCTitan06 4 years ago
i doesnt really matter if they were influenced by rush or not they are both amazing bands they defiently took something from rush
Justanotherc 4 years ago
you know everyone compares c&c to rush. i think they sound way more like led zep, and pink floyd than rush. especially the last two albums. i mean "the final cut", thats the name of a floyd album. welcome home reflects cashmere(zep), and nwft is full of floyd and zep-esque riffs. get past the high octave vocals, and the comparision broadens...
deejaydougcrates 4 years ago
I think most ppl compare Coheed to Rush because to the posers coheed's just some band with some big-haired guy with a high voice, and Rush's lead singer has a high voice too
But if people actually listened to Coheed more they'd develope a better opinion
I love coheed
TheVelouriumcamper 4 years ago
who cares... this song is great. They sound like Rush sometimes... who cares? it's influence, every musician is influenced by others. 21:13 is amazing, especially as apart of the story
thebeardedhonky 4 years ago
Ok guys these guys are influenced by Rush. If the werent why would the bass player have a Geddy Lee Jazz bass? And in the new album why is The Hounds opening guitar riff similer to Rushes YYZ?
Allmanfan456 4 years ago
yea, maybe INFLUENCED...slightly....ALOT of people play geddy lees sig bass u fucking momo....its a great bass. coheed is miles ahead of rush rite now. even in rush's prime i might officially say that coheed has them by the balls
texazranger04 4 years ago 2
They definatly are influeced at least slightly. Definatly Coheed has them by the balls. These guys are just too amazing.
Allmanfan456 4 years ago
You obviously know nothing about Rush or are in denial. Just some punk who worships C&C. Eventhough I do like C&C, they could only dream to be as big as Rush was in their prime. If you don't recognize the amount of talent in Rush then you don't know what talent is.
SCTitan06 4 years ago 2
is he playing his les paul in this? he hardly ever plays that.
guitardude14711 4 years ago
Rush fucking doenst have shit on Coheed.
neatborrito 4 years ago
All HAIL JOSH EPPARD, AND THE REST OF COHEED AND CAMBRIA.
EverythingEvil007 4 years ago 2
the song 21:13 has nothing to do with the band RUSH or any of their songs. you guys should read the story before you make any more inaccurate assumptions.
imasection8 4 years ago
C'mon you can't tell me that Coheed named this 21:13 without knowing there was a Rush song named 21:12
MixD 4 years ago
dumbass.
the Rush song is 2112, as in the year, Co&Ca is 21:13, like the time.
LastRowKid 4 years ago
Another of their kick ass songs.love when the vocals start in the album version
EricM1Prez 4 years ago
yeah thats what time it is in the story, its not a tribute to rush
peckerheadfred 4 years ago
Rush isn't one of Coheed's influences. In fact, Claudio has even said that he had never listened to Rush until so many people told him he sounded like Geddy Lee.
21:13 is the time on a clock (when Coheed kills josephine I think) in one of the Second Stage Turbine Blade comic book.
blahsgt1414 4 years ago
I'd say that Rush is an influence by proxy, as Claudio has cited Dream Theater as an influence, whom have cited Rush as a great influence.
Besides, regardless of whether they openly cite bands like Rush as influences, the fact that they subscribe to the label of "Prog", they automatically owe Prog pioneers like Rush their allegiance. They're an indirect influence.
TekkBlade 4 years ago
i refuse to believe that someone like claudio had never heard rush before... you are retarded... OH YEAHHHH, by the way, you fucktard, listen to the beginnings of "2112" and "2113"... because it's OBVIOUS where claudio got his inspiration. You're ignorant, you just want to think that claudio is 100% original... He's pretty damn amazing, but not original.
roadrashrobby53 4 years ago
they do have many rush influences but id say hes very original. i mean this song is very like rush because this is claudios tribute to them. but claudio, coheed in general, are very original musicians
jesusthejr 4 years ago
He has heard Rush, but only AFTER he heard about being compared to Geddy Lee. So depending on when this happened, 21:13 may or may not be inspired a bit by 2112. So don't be a douche to people.
Just because he's the lead singer of a huge band, doesn't mean he has to listen to every classic rock band.
It IS possible that he never listened to Rush until a couple years ago....AFTER he started Co&Ca.
xinsan0x 4 years ago
no... 21:13 it's a time, 2112 is a year and 21:13 has a another meaning and that's from the story "The Amory Wars" and..ok...let's say "he named the song 21:13 after 2112" why the fuck do people compare Geedy Lee To Claudio? yes both high pitched but they dont sound Nothing alike...
eukfire16 4 years ago
fo sho.
MrWolverine90 4 years ago
Also it is a time (whoever said it isnt)
The lyrics go
'When the clock reads, twentyone thirteen'
Unless the person thought that it meant like when they played it, in that case my bad.
CoheedKonPFI 4 years ago
uhhhhhhh, lucky number 11... youre ignorant... its like coheeds little tribute to their number one influence and the greatest progressive rock song of all time, "2112" by Rush... and its titled that because its supposed to be in the distant future, like the year 2112, or 2113.... and soccer titan... i think we can all "infer" that you are retarded
roadrashrobby53 4 years ago
no need for mindless flaming
jesusthejr 4 years ago
oh yeah, and this song owns.
LuckyNumber11 4 years ago
was this at the avalon cause i was there?
ForensicScenester 4 years ago
it sure was
mistersamza 4 years ago
we were the little kids screaming next to you or in front of you or somewhere on that same balcony :P
ForensicScenester 4 years ago
wow, did that guy seriously say its not called 21:13, lmao i think we can all infer that it is about a time lol. never heard this one live, excellent
soccertitan06 4 years ago
no duechebag the song is called 2113 its not a fucking time
astrocambria 4 years ago
..."When the clock reads 21:13" is in the fucking lyrics, you idiot.
astatslpvids 4 years ago
it's not called 21:13 its just 2113
astrocambria 4 years ago
who fucking cares?
mistersamza 4 years ago
its 21:13
LuckyNumber11 4 years ago
this song is sick
spocktacular 4 years ago
awesome... and it looks like claudio is using an acoustic?
flakcannonnick 4 years ago
Electric,Les Paul studio :P
Boooby 4 years ago
This is the song that really set in stone that Coheed is a prog rock band.
MixD 5 years ago
wait is it true that some people are trying to decipher the songs of the co and ca.. i know claudio is writing some fictional comic book but according to some there song has a secret story...
lossforredwords 5 years ago
This is an homage to Rush.
Mondonitis 5 years ago
they didnt even know who rush was when this song came out douche.
ForensicScenester 4 years ago
Didn't know who rush was? What kind of a retard doesnt know who rush is... definitely not claudio sanchez. PLUS, i have it from a reliable source, someone who seriously worships clauidio, that he said in an interview that he listened nonstop to rush during the recording of in keeping secrets in order to be inspired
roadrashrobby53 4 years ago
Uh no he has said he doesnt like rush and had never heard them until he got sick of being compared to them.
CoheedKonPFI 4 years ago
and im also a claudio worshupper and ive seen interviews where he has said that he didnt listen to rush. he knew who they were but didnt know their music. and i didnt know rush till i heard coheed was like them. and i hate rush anyway
jesusthejr 4 years ago
but it does make sense that its 2113 like 2112 but thats just what ive seen in many interviews with claudio
jesusthejr 4 years ago
oo nga sino kaya dito mewon nun....shit sana nga punta sila dito sa pinas..
harlemdj14 5 years ago
one of co and ca's best song!!! i love this!!! sana pumunta sila sa pinas!!!!
sinu dito may kopya ng comic book ni claudio?
lossforredwords 5 years ago
oo nga sino kaya dito mewon nun....shit sana nga punta sila dito sa pinas..
harlemdj14 5 years ago
whats the date on this vid?? every concert ive seen him in he ALWAYS has an explorer in his hand and he's playin a les paul here... weird
hortybob 5 years ago
all these videos make me sad now that mic and josh left coheed will never be the same
VelouriumCamper8 5 years ago
claudio busted out the les paul for this one...
menarchek1 5 years ago
its kept in drop d
Spooner1987 5 years ago
Wow that song is awesome live! They def have to play that song for an encore more often!
VelouriumCamper8 5 years ago
damn thats sudistic o.O
lordkyosohma 5 years ago
One of the best songs of Coheed. I love it so much.
jakechaos 5 years ago
kinda looks like claudio might be wearing lady's jeans. that's hot.
jealousofmike 5 years ago
i love the story behind it all
misticspear 5 years ago
the Avalon, i've got this. ^^ good show.
theRedPress 5 years ago
oh.... alright.
mistersamza 5 years ago
I love you for posting this. Have my babies?
deliriumxtrigger 5 years ago
21:13 is my fav fuckin song ever.. i wish they'd play it at a concert i go to in the future lol. coheed rox my sox!
TheVampireEyla 5 years ago
Thank you so much for posting this. its such a good song too.
wiggaboi 5 years ago
Yay!!! I was here, they played an acoustic set, then the electric, ohhhh god, it was beautiful. I wish I could do it all over again, every day of the week!!
andcambria3 5 years ago
damn you got lucky didnt you
robertsmith731 5 years ago
This song ROCKs!
Shabutie2113 5 years ago