God came from Teman: Habakkuk 3:3 God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.
Hab 3:4 And [his] brightness was as the light; he had horns [coming] out of his hand: and there [was] the hiding of his power.
Hab 3:5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.
I belive that befre the big bang there was no matter and that still was something some kind of sub sub particles that were not partiles at all but only vaves of energies and sudenly they started to do things and from that energy matter formed. but there is no matter as such anyway. it is only an illusion.
If you are a truth seeker, search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Everyone needs to see this. The Present will turn this world right-side up if it reaches enough people.
If you are a Carl sagan fan you will know why he is shown in front of a glowing tee like imagery while discusing the ultimate question of Origins . It has to do with the archtype imagery of a tree ands its profund imagery to the primate mind and yes even subconsciously to humans . Trees where home , shelter , food sources place to sleep and have sex safely .Note the religious imagery / concept of Tree of life and burning bush overlaping . Sagan talked more about it in Dragons of Eden?
I like carl sagan because hes like an almost spiritual agnostic...he doesnt have that "hard-ass atheist" edge that alot of scientists have (ahem...dawkins), and he truly appreciates the fact that we pretty much don't know sh*t in the big picture. hell, he even considered reincarnation a possibility that deserved further research.
I always see believers and skeptics demand the other side be more "open minded". Sagan is the definition of "open minded". Lets all be more like Carl Sagan....
The Hindu religions believe that the universe is infinite. Perhaps, the most sensible of all religions. Just an observation.... Not a practitioner.... An infinite universe is at least something that science can understand one day... or not. ;)
@shilltheshillXXX , how could the universe (space you mean) be infinite and expanding at the same time? If it is expanding then it means it started as finite (smaller than the size of an atom) and thus could never reach an infinite state even in infinite time.
@csdr0 I'm not a follower of any hindu relgion and I'm not sure if you want a response from that point of view, of which I am not very knowledgeable. Anyway, the explaination is that the universe is created and destroyed infinitely. The expansion is only infinite in the sense that the cycle of creation and destruction is infinte. Brama, Vishnu, Shiva. Your point, in this case, does not refute the infinte and expanding universe. I simply mentioned a belief system in which that idea can exist.
My respect for all man of science yet If a cosmologist answers that the universe has always existed, to in turn, answer back to the eternity of God, it is fair to say that such cosmologist is been unreasonable, for we know today, 20 years after this chapter was recorded, that by science fact, the universe was in did created out of = cero matter, & it has the characteristics of beginning, development and current state. Thus was formed, yet God remains eternal, extemporal, filling eternity itself.
@IntegrityContracting Actually until we witness the universe being created we don't know it had a beginning many just think it did, realistically we have no more proof for one view point than the other. The problem with God is you have a being you're attributing attributes to with no evidence of it's creation let alone those attributes. If something can exist eternally (as you claim God does) then everything doesn't have to come from something and thus removing the requirement for God.
@DarkBunnyLord That is very thoughtful and it sounds very logic and I can relate to your skepticism yet God has an even more important attribute than just been eternal 'important to us men' that he is a personal God, this indicates that God has intelligence, feelings and will. It is his will for you to witness Him, should you ask him humbly. I wish to witness to you that God the creator is interested in your live very much in did. Call onto him He will answer. All else will fall in place. Peace.
@IntegrityContracting See I have to stop you again here. Now I'm Atheist and like the vast majority of Atheists in America I grew up Christian, I "asked humbly", studied the scriptures, etc and got nothing. Not only that when I started simply asking questions about the bible, it's writings, etc I just realized how false it was. No loving deity would do what God did and many of the things that where claimed to be done don't match with reality thus my Atheism.
@DarkBunnyLord Friend no need to stop me I am sorry to hear that your search was unfruitful. Defined by the Bible, the search of God, we are to seek him with faith, with a determined hart to witness his word in our live. I will pray for you that you may find him and that He may answer to your spiritual needs. I can understand your atheism, with the wrong and evil around us, is easy to lose sight of his light in a world of darkness. God has never stopped loving you or mankind, at any time. Peace.
@IntegrityContracting I'll have to disagree once again. God "supposidly" killed the entire population of the planet, he massacred whole cities, killed an entire populations children, demanded pregnant women be run through, commanded his followers to ransack cities murdering and raping the virgins, let alone designed a place where he'd send people who didn't believe in him to ETERNAL punishment.
@DarkBunnyLord Friend your request for answer to these topics are justtified and we should look for and find what the truth is. You stated that at one time you read the Bible. Gen 4:19-26 you see here how mankind and society disasociated from God's direction which is contrary to God's plan for mankind. Gen 11:1-9. Gen 15:1-21 God in verse 13 Show mercy upon a certian group yet equaly flawed as the rest of peoples in the world at that time. God has no liency towards sin, yet his promises to
@IntegrityContracting This is not love then. Are you honestly saying that under ANY circumstance that you would build a torture chamber in your basement to use on your children for eternity?
That you'd kill millions of people?
God is supposed to be all powerful, this means he could have done literally anything to change their ways and yet his solution was to murder them... again this is not the act of a loving being.
@DarkBunnyLord He promised to Abraham to bring salvation to the world through his descendants. Yet it remains true that the people of Israel are hardly lovable, I myself I’m not racist but i am not fond of them, but it is true that salvation was sent through them first. God choose the worst of people to be his special treasure & yet, they reveled disobeyed, killed his prophets and remain today with no God at all.
He ordered them to slay entire cities and rape the virgins, how where they any better under his rule? Again you're talking about a self proclaimed all powerful being and this is his solution?
@DarkBunnyLord Gn 34: 11-17 God Order his people not to participate of the doings of those who inhabited that region, been idol worshipers. Hell has been prepared for Satan and his angels, And God does not want you or anyone to go there and spend eternity in perpetual torture. God does not condone sin in any form, yet He loves you so much that His Son died in the cross in exchange for your sins, so that you may not participate in the inheritance of Satan. I know is difficult to hear these words
@IntegrityContracting He doesn't want anyone to go there and yet he sends him there... you don't see the problem with that?
On top of that him sacrificing himself to himself so that he could make an out for his own rule instead of just forgiving is just so silly it made me believe even less. Again if he's all powerful why does he need a blood sacrifice to circumvent his own rules? Especially when he's judge jury and executioner?
@DarkBunnyLord but if you observe the world and the sinful state of decay and how millions of people simply do not care to do the right thing, is that the sum of all things? is there a layer where we may find truth? Yes God order the destruction of many peoples, are we any better than those who were destroyed? the answer is no, we are not better than anybody else, and God can destroy us by his Mighty Power if He so chooses, but He show his love through His Son's sacrifice for you and me and all
@IntegrityContracting It doesn't matter if we are better or not, the fact is this "loving and forgiving" being with the power to do anything apparently resorted to mass murder which would make him worse than any of those people.
How was Jesus a sacrifice? If he could resurrect, create new life, etc at the flick of his fingers and death was nothing more than a pebble in the road it was not a sacrifice NOR was it needed if God was all powerful. Again why not just forgive?
@DarkBunnyLord He is a Gentleman, He created you to be a free will and if you choose to forsake his sacrifice He will respect your decision, we choose what the fundamentals of our live are, even those forced upon us by family, culture, etc. are subject ultimately to what we decide to do with them & where to go with them. I can understand your position of unbelief, for these matters are to be understood spiritually I pray that the Holly Spirit works in your heart.
@IntegrityContracting CHOOSE to forsake him? You're kidding me right? That's like saying a man comes up to you and holds a gun to your head and says "You're evil so I'm going to shoot you, but don't worry, I made a way you can be saved. Just give me your money and I won't shoot? See? Aren't I loving?"
Then if you choose not to give into the demand you get shot and it's now your choice?
You can't choose what you believe in. You can lie about it, but you don't choose it.
@DarkBunnyLord I can reply to your questions with the knowledge that I have been given, but He who works in our hearts is the Spirit of God, & in the name of Jesus I ask God to come to you and convince you Himself. You want to know the truth, we all want to be in the correct path, ask Him again to show you His will for your live. Peace.
@IntegrityContracting I'm not going to ask him again anymore than I'm going to bow down and ask the flying spaghetti monster to reveal himself. Niether exists and no amount of "asking" is going to provide me with evidence otherwise. If God loved everyone and wanted them to believe he wouldn't have made us skeptical or he wouldn't have written a book full of errors and inconsistencies as the only evidence of him existing.
@DarkBunnyLord Satan choose to be Godless. God's holy nature prevents him from participating from sin or to have it in his presence. His love moves Him to Mercy for those who are alive today and those who will live tomorrow. God knew that the only way to Him was through the completion of his holly law, which declares that he who sins will die. He does not want us to die in our sins and spend eternity away from Him. & the only one that could perfectly take the place of us sinners is He Himself.
@IntegrityContracting Wrong again. The bible says Satan just wanted to take humanities free will.
So you're saying God's not omnipotent? If he can't be around sin then he's not omnipotent. Also again no he isn't moved to mercy, according to your faith he sends people to hell that is not merciful no matter how you spin it.
He created it, he created the circumstances to go there, and he sends people there, I don't comprehend how you can see this as anything other than malicious and outright evil.
Finally someone gets the perspective I'm comming from. And I have something to support your theory. I'm not sure what you would call it so I will just call it a statement. And I am also not sure of its originality but never the less here it is.
A god cannot be create everything, be purfectly good, and be omnipotent. For if a god created everything and is purely good he cannot know everything. For he knows he will be making evil and something purely good cannot make something evil
A god cannot be pure good if the god is omnipotent and created everything, agian it goes back to my previous arguement. And if a god is omnipotent and pure good he cannot create everything, again previous arguement.
It is an enormous triangle of contradictions and I don't know why some people ignore these facts. I just cannot grasp the consept of something perfect commanding not to do something and doing it itself. Seems hypocritcal to me
And what kind of question is "Who designed the designer?",When knowing Good and well that God is supernatural and therefore NOT subject to time cause and affect like the natural is.
where did God come from? Mate i have no idea what your definition of God is but according to the dictionary its God is eternal. So your questions resembles this
my friend david gave birth to a child. Was it a boy or girl?
^ question doesn't make sense because men cannot give birth
@darkcena11 It has to do with the present state and future transition of the state of the universe. If there is enough matter (hence gravity) to close the universe up gravitationally, it will contract eventually. If it does not, it will expand forever, until the degeneration of matter can no longer continue. A few centuries ago it had been thought that the universe was unchanging and eternal, the observations of Edwin Hubble disproved that.
why did the big bang happen 14 billion years ago or whatever, why 100 billion years ago, why did it happen at all what changed inside of it, where was it there was no universe back then
As in Love - measure, logic, doubt and facts don't apply.
All creation has a Creator. Nothing is random & nothing is what it seems.
We live in a reality that is a total illusion - colors, forms, matter, and the study of such has led us to no more than more questions and hypothetical conclusions. Even hard science proves nothing once we dig a little deeper.
@berniebay Hello Bernie, am I picking up sarcasm? Assertion is an unsupported statement, however, if by that you mean - I do not have proof for the statements I have made, I would like for you to specify which made you particularly uncomfortable. I will gladly elaborate. However, I ignore those who behave in an ignorant way, so be nice. Blessings to you and yours~
@berniebay lol ok lets start there - nothing is random means:
1. There is a purpose, a design, a meaning, an order to all that occurs.
2. Stemming from 1 - all that is not random - is created by a designer/creator/higher intelligence
3. How many teeth are in your mouth? Or hair on your head? I bet you have no clue - thus how arrogant of you to assume that your limited intellect has the capacity to understand the design of the entire Universe? Seriously, an eternal timeless Universe that made YOU
I said I agreed that nothing is random. The Laws of science prevent extreme randomness. A lack of randomness means that there are governing scientific laws, not a god.
I asked for evidence of any god.
And again. The Laws of Physics govern the "design", as you may put it, of the universe. The two big ones, gravity and optics.
@berniebay ok, in the human world - in order for there to be a law - someone has to make it, right? Or do traffic laws, and judicial laws and whatever laws that are laid - just come out of thin air? The very instance of there being a law - means it was created. Who made the laws of gravity and optics? Can you give proof to that?
Can you give me evidence of love?
I have been proven that there is God in my own personal experiences of Divine intervention, which of course are precious and private.
A scientific law is much different than the average every day traffic law. And I can't give proof of WHO made the Laws of Physics, which is why I don't believe it was a WHO.
Evidence of love. It's something we, as people, have defined. It's an emotion that attracts us to each other, we are social animals after all. Love is good for a social animal to survive.
And your personal experience isn't good enough for me, so I guess we've come to road block here.
@berniebay Law by definition is a system of rules. I guess in the world of science - laws appeared out of ....clueless, ha? The truth of the matter is - those who have been touched by the Divine - need no further proof, ever. The rest rely on logic and scientific findings, which prove only that everything has order, and everything is energy, but denies anything more intelligent than itself. Nothing I or anyone else say - will ever be good enough, so yes, you certainly are at a road block. Peace~
Personal experience means nothing to those it is not personal to, lets take rain as an example. My personal experience with ran has never been bad. So I love the rain, as for my grandmother she never had a good experience with it so she is not fond of it at all. It's her personal experience versus mine. Niether is right or wrong. Care to comment on that?
O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
Is it not the case that cosmologists/scientists KNOW that the universe is expanding? If this is the case then that would suggest that there wouldn't b any other stars/planets/galaxies near each-other if it was also true that the universe was presumed 2b about 11 billion or years old? This would seem 2imply that there was a time (excuse the pun) when there was no time, there4 implying a Creator? Personally i am a repentant sinner saved by the Saviour Jesus Christ, the Son of God, God in the flesh
Augustine asked the same questions when discussing the nature of time, concluding that before the creation of the universe there was no time and no space. As for the existential nature of God?
Look into shamanism and have your mind blown.
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God came from Teman: Habakkuk 3:3 God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.
Hab 3:4 And [his] brightness was as the light; he had horns [coming] out of his hand: and there [was] the hiding of his power.
Hab 3:5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.
sprinkle888 3 months ago
I belive that befre the big bang there was no matter and that still was something some kind of sub sub particles that were not partiles at all but only vaves of energies and sudenly they started to do things and from that energy matter formed. but there is no matter as such anyway. it is only an illusion.
smallpotatoes989 3 months ago
if we can accept that time may never end, why can't we accept that it may have never began?
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If you are a truth seeker, search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Everyone needs to see this. The Present will turn this world right-side up if it reaches enough people.
nowhereman319 6 months ago
I like Sagan, but his cosmology is old of 30 years.
I am a physicist, and like the Selfish Biocosm Hypothesis of Gardner, search in Wikipedia...
okfilho 6 months ago
If you are a Carl sagan fan you will know why he is shown in front of a glowing tee like imagery while discusing the ultimate question of Origins . It has to do with the archtype imagery of a tree ands its profund imagery to the primate mind and yes even subconsciously to humans . Trees where home , shelter , food sources place to sleep and have sex safely .Note the religious imagery / concept of Tree of life and burning bush overlaping . Sagan talked more about it in Dragons of Eden?
flyingscience 7 months ago
On the Cosmos DVD extras you can see the full scene where he is clearly on Pandora and has the tree rootlets growing into his legs . Just kidding .
flyingscience 7 months ago
I like carl sagan because hes like an almost spiritual agnostic...he doesnt have that "hard-ass atheist" edge that alot of scientists have (ahem...dawkins), and he truly appreciates the fact that we pretty much don't know sh*t in the big picture. hell, he even considered reincarnation a possibility that deserved further research.
I always see believers and skeptics demand the other side be more "open minded". Sagan is the definition of "open minded". Lets all be more like Carl Sagan....
Lobonaut 7 months ago 5
The Hindu religions believe that the universe is infinite. Perhaps, the most sensible of all religions. Just an observation.... Not a practitioner.... An infinite universe is at least something that science can understand one day... or not. ;)
shilltheshillXXX 8 months ago
@shilltheshillXXX , how could the universe (space you mean) be infinite and expanding at the same time? If it is expanding then it means it started as finite (smaller than the size of an atom) and thus could never reach an infinite state even in infinite time.
csdr0 7 months ago
@csdr0 Good point. Hahah
AfterClassTrip 7 months ago
@csdr0 I'm not a follower of any hindu relgion and I'm not sure if you want a response from that point of view, of which I am not very knowledgeable. Anyway, the explaination is that the universe is created and destroyed infinitely. The expansion is only infinite in the sense that the cycle of creation and destruction is infinte. Brama, Vishnu, Shiva. Your point, in this case, does not refute the infinte and expanding universe. I simply mentioned a belief system in which that idea can exist.
shilltheshillXXX 6 months ago
i like hearing carl talk, hes just got one of those voices/way of speaking
wayneakrid 8 months ago
thats one strange-looking guy...
deadeyedickification 9 months ago
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IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
My respect for all man of science yet If a cosmologist answers that the universe has always existed, to in turn, answer back to the eternity of God, it is fair to say that such cosmologist is been unreasonable, for we know today, 20 years after this chapter was recorded, that by science fact, the universe was in did created out of = cero matter, & it has the characteristics of beginning, development and current state. Thus was formed, yet God remains eternal, extemporal, filling eternity itself.
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting Actually until we witness the universe being created we don't know it had a beginning many just think it did, realistically we have no more proof for one view point than the other. The problem with God is you have a being you're attributing attributes to with no evidence of it's creation let alone those attributes. If something can exist eternally (as you claim God does) then everything doesn't have to come from something and thus removing the requirement for God.
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord That is very thoughtful and it sounds very logic and I can relate to your skepticism yet God has an even more important attribute than just been eternal 'important to us men' that he is a personal God, this indicates that God has intelligence, feelings and will. It is his will for you to witness Him, should you ask him humbly. I wish to witness to you that God the creator is interested in your live very much in did. Call onto him He will answer. All else will fall in place. Peace.
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting See I have to stop you again here. Now I'm Atheist and like the vast majority of Atheists in America I grew up Christian, I "asked humbly", studied the scriptures, etc and got nothing. Not only that when I started simply asking questions about the bible, it's writings, etc I just realized how false it was. No loving deity would do what God did and many of the things that where claimed to be done don't match with reality thus my Atheism.
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Friend no need to stop me I am sorry to hear that your search was unfruitful. Defined by the Bible, the search of God, we are to seek him with faith, with a determined hart to witness his word in our live. I will pray for you that you may find him and that He may answer to your spiritual needs. I can understand your atheism, with the wrong and evil around us, is easy to lose sight of his light in a world of darkness. God has never stopped loving you or mankind, at any time. Peace.
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting I'll have to disagree once again. God "supposidly" killed the entire population of the planet, he massacred whole cities, killed an entire populations children, demanded pregnant women be run through, commanded his followers to ransack cities murdering and raping the virgins, let alone designed a place where he'd send people who didn't believe in him to ETERNAL punishment.
How is that love?
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Friend your request for answer to these topics are justtified and we should look for and find what the truth is. You stated that at one time you read the Bible. Gen 4:19-26 you see here how mankind and society disasociated from God's direction which is contrary to God's plan for mankind. Gen 11:1-9. Gen 15:1-21 God in verse 13 Show mercy upon a certian group yet equaly flawed as the rest of peoples in the world at that time. God has no liency towards sin, yet his promises to
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting This is not love then. Are you honestly saying that under ANY circumstance that you would build a torture chamber in your basement to use on your children for eternity?
That you'd kill millions of people?
God is supposed to be all powerful, this means he could have done literally anything to change their ways and yet his solution was to murder them... again this is not the act of a loving being.
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Abraham Gen 12: 2-3
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord He promised to Abraham to bring salvation to the world through his descendants. Yet it remains true that the people of Israel are hardly lovable, I myself I’m not racist but i am not fond of them, but it is true that salvation was sent through them first. God choose the worst of people to be his special treasure & yet, they reveled disobeyed, killed his prophets and remain today with no God at all.
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting Yes after he asked Abraham to kill his child.
He ordered them to slay entire cities and rape the virgins, how where they any better under his rule? Again you're talking about a self proclaimed all powerful being and this is his solution?
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Gn 34: 11-17 God Order his people not to participate of the doings of those who inhabited that region, been idol worshipers. Hell has been prepared for Satan and his angels, And God does not want you or anyone to go there and spend eternity in perpetual torture. God does not condone sin in any form, yet He loves you so much that His Son died in the cross in exchange for your sins, so that you may not participate in the inheritance of Satan. I know is difficult to hear these words
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting He doesn't want anyone to go there and yet he sends him there... you don't see the problem with that?
On top of that him sacrificing himself to himself so that he could make an out for his own rule instead of just forgiving is just so silly it made me believe even less. Again if he's all powerful why does he need a blood sacrifice to circumvent his own rules? Especially when he's judge jury and executioner?
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord but if you observe the world and the sinful state of decay and how millions of people simply do not care to do the right thing, is that the sum of all things? is there a layer where we may find truth? Yes God order the destruction of many peoples, are we any better than those who were destroyed? the answer is no, we are not better than anybody else, and God can destroy us by his Mighty Power if He so chooses, but He show his love through His Son's sacrifice for you and me and all
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting It doesn't matter if we are better or not, the fact is this "loving and forgiving" being with the power to do anything apparently resorted to mass murder which would make him worse than any of those people.
How was Jesus a sacrifice? If he could resurrect, create new life, etc at the flick of his fingers and death was nothing more than a pebble in the road it was not a sacrifice NOR was it needed if God was all powerful. Again why not just forgive?
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord He is a Gentleman, He created you to be a free will and if you choose to forsake his sacrifice He will respect your decision, we choose what the fundamentals of our live are, even those forced upon us by family, culture, etc. are subject ultimately to what we decide to do with them & where to go with them. I can understand your position of unbelief, for these matters are to be understood spiritually I pray that the Holly Spirit works in your heart.
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting CHOOSE to forsake him? You're kidding me right? That's like saying a man comes up to you and holds a gun to your head and says "You're evil so I'm going to shoot you, but don't worry, I made a way you can be saved. Just give me your money and I won't shoot? See? Aren't I loving?"
Then if you choose not to give into the demand you get shot and it's now your choice?
You can't choose what you believe in. You can lie about it, but you don't choose it.
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord I can reply to your questions with the knowledge that I have been given, but He who works in our hearts is the Spirit of God, & in the name of Jesus I ask God to come to you and convince you Himself. You want to know the truth, we all want to be in the correct path, ask Him again to show you His will for your live. Peace.
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting I'm not going to ask him again anymore than I'm going to bow down and ask the flying spaghetti monster to reveal himself. Niether exists and no amount of "asking" is going to provide me with evidence otherwise. If God loved everyone and wanted them to believe he wouldn't have made us skeptical or he wouldn't have written a book full of errors and inconsistencies as the only evidence of him existing.
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Satan choose to be Godless. God's holy nature prevents him from participating from sin or to have it in his presence. His love moves Him to Mercy for those who are alive today and those who will live tomorrow. God knew that the only way to Him was through the completion of his holly law, which declares that he who sins will die. He does not want us to die in our sins and spend eternity away from Him. & the only one that could perfectly take the place of us sinners is He Himself.
IntegrityContracting 9 months ago
@IntegrityContracting Wrong again. The bible says Satan just wanted to take humanities free will.
So you're saying God's not omnipotent? If he can't be around sin then he's not omnipotent. Also again no he isn't moved to mercy, according to your faith he sends people to hell that is not merciful no matter how you spin it.
He created it, he created the circumstances to go there, and he sends people there, I don't comprehend how you can see this as anything other than malicious and outright evil.
DarkBunnyLord 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord
Finally someone gets the perspective I'm comming from. And I have something to support your theory. I'm not sure what you would call it so I will just call it a statement. And I am also not sure of its originality but never the less here it is.
A god cannot be create everything, be purfectly good, and be omnipotent. For if a god created everything and is purely good he cannot know everything. For he knows he will be making evil and something purely good cannot make something evil
meiswaffle101 9 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord
Sorry ran out of room, as I was saying...
A god cannot be pure good if the god is omnipotent and created everything, agian it goes back to my previous arguement. And if a god is omnipotent and pure good he cannot create everything, again previous arguement.
It is an enormous triangle of contradictions and I don't know why some people ignore these facts. I just cannot grasp the consept of something perfect commanding not to do something and doing it itself. Seems hypocritcal to me
meiswaffle101 9 months ago
god came from carl sagan
tartars98 9 months ago 2
fuck this atheist bitch
BIGMOYO936 9 months ago
@BIGMOYO936 contradict much? lol just joking there bro
ikaninjau2 9 months ago
@BIGMOYO936 You're an idiot.
Intel1502 9 months ago
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And what kind of question is "Who designed the designer?",When knowing Good and well that God is supernatural and therefore NOT subject to time cause and affect like the natural is.
RaytownSoClassof2010 11 months ago
where did God come from? Mate i have no idea what your definition of God is but according to the dictionary its God is eternal. So your questions resembles this
my friend david gave birth to a child. Was it a boy or girl?
^ question doesn't make sense because men cannot give birth
duh please rephrase your question
balaalalaslk 1 year ago
@balaalalaslk So why isn't the universe allowed to be eternal?
darkcena11 1 year ago
@darkcena11 It has to do with the present state and future transition of the state of the universe. If there is enough matter (hence gravity) to close the universe up gravitationally, it will contract eventually. If it does not, it will expand forever, until the degeneration of matter can no longer continue. A few centuries ago it had been thought that the universe was unchanging and eternal, the observations of Edwin Hubble disproved that.
ThePipinFonz 10 months ago
@darkcena11
umm because its not, if you infinity to time we will not exist
like i will give you donut after you jump an infinite number of times
will you ever get the donut NO
balaalalaslk 9 months ago
@balaalalaslk That is the definition of a Christian God.
LED1019 9 months ago
@balaalalaslk That is the definition of a Christian God, which, oddly enough, was defined by people of that religion.
LED1019 9 months ago
i have a question thats been bothering me
why did the big bang happen 14 billion years ago or whatever, why 100 billion years ago, why did it happen at all what changed inside of it, where was it there was no universe back then
balaalalaslk 1 year ago
God is All. God is Love. God is in the Heart.
God is not a religion.
Love does not exist only to those who deny it.
As in Love - measure, logic, doubt and facts don't apply.
All creation has a Creator. Nothing is random & nothing is what it seems.
We live in a reality that is a total illusion - colors, forms, matter, and the study of such has led us to no more than more questions and hypothetical conclusions. Even hard science proves nothing once we dig a little deeper.
Ignorance is not bliss.
WorldOfLoveTV 1 year ago
@WorldOfLoveTV
How many more assertions can you dish out?
berniebay 1 year ago
@berniebay Hello Bernie, am I picking up sarcasm? Assertion is an unsupported statement, however, if by that you mean - I do not have proof for the statements I have made, I would like for you to specify which made you particularly uncomfortable. I will gladly elaborate. However, I ignore those who behave in an ignorant way, so be nice. Blessings to you and yours~
WorldOfLoveTV 1 year ago
@WorldOfLoveTV
Everything you said was an assertion. I would like some evidence of those claims.
Rather, the first thing you need evidence for is any god. And don't say that god exists because all creation needs a Creator.
You assert that the universe is a creation.
The only thing I agree with is that nothing is random.
berniebay 1 year ago
@berniebay lol ok lets start there - nothing is random means:
1. There is a purpose, a design, a meaning, an order to all that occurs.
2. Stemming from 1 - all that is not random - is created by a designer/creator/higher intelligence
3. How many teeth are in your mouth? Or hair on your head? I bet you have no clue - thus how arrogant of you to assume that your limited intellect has the capacity to understand the design of the entire Universe? Seriously, an eternal timeless Universe that made YOU
WorldOfLoveTV 1 year ago
@WorldOfLoveTV
I said I agreed that nothing is random. The Laws of science prevent extreme randomness. A lack of randomness means that there are governing scientific laws, not a god.
I asked for evidence of any god.
And again. The Laws of Physics govern the "design", as you may put it, of the universe. The two big ones, gravity and optics.
berniebay 1 year ago
@berniebay ok, in the human world - in order for there to be a law - someone has to make it, right? Or do traffic laws, and judicial laws and whatever laws that are laid - just come out of thin air? The very instance of there being a law - means it was created. Who made the laws of gravity and optics? Can you give proof to that?
Can you give me evidence of love?
I have been proven that there is God in my own personal experiences of Divine intervention, which of course are precious and private.
WorldOfLoveTV 1 year ago
@WorldOfLoveTV
A scientific law is much different than the average every day traffic law. And I can't give proof of WHO made the Laws of Physics, which is why I don't believe it was a WHO.
Evidence of love. It's something we, as people, have defined. It's an emotion that attracts us to each other, we are social animals after all. Love is good for a social animal to survive.
And your personal experience isn't good enough for me, so I guess we've come to road block here.
berniebay 1 year ago
@berniebay Law by definition is a system of rules. I guess in the world of science - laws appeared out of ....clueless, ha? The truth of the matter is - those who have been touched by the Divine - need no further proof, ever. The rest rely on logic and scientific findings, which prove only that everything has order, and everything is energy, but denies anything more intelligent than itself. Nothing I or anyone else say - will ever be good enough, so yes, you certainly are at a road block. Peace~
WorldOfLoveTV 1 year ago
@WorldOfLoveTV
Well, if you are the praying type, then pray to your god that he reveal himself to me.
It's not really fair that you get to be divinely touched by him and I can't be. Don't you think?
berniebay 1 year ago
@WorldOfLoveTV
Personal experience means nothing to those it is not personal to, lets take rain as an example. My personal experience with ran has never been bad. So I love the rain, as for my grandmother she never had a good experience with it so she is not fond of it at all. It's her personal experience versus mine. Niether is right or wrong. Care to comment on that?
meiswaffle101 9 months ago
O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
AElgohary2010 1 year ago
Is it not the case that cosmologists/scientists KNOW that the universe is expanding? If this is the case then that would suggest that there wouldn't b any other stars/planets/galaxies near each-other if it was also true that the universe was presumed 2b about 11 billion or years old? This would seem 2imply that there was a time (excuse the pun) when there was no time, there4 implying a Creator? Personally i am a repentant sinner saved by the Saviour Jesus Christ, the Son of God, God in the flesh
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
Augustine asked the same questions when discussing the nature of time, concluding that before the creation of the universe there was no time and no space. As for the existential nature of God?
PLScotland 1 year ago
Sagan FTW!
beyondbedandbathisme 1 year ago
Carl Sagan dominating up in this video.
pimpface3000 2 years ago 23
Hmm, if the title starts with a question, then perhaps the the answer is also in the title.
:-)
SaganAppreciationSoc 2 years ago 31
I think you may be on to something!
jesse0192 2 years ago 8
@SaganAppreciationSoc so carl sagan is god? i see....
ummhmmlies 9 months ago
@ummhmmlies
It is interesting how many paintings of Sagan have shown him in some kind of divine role. I have to admit to be charmed and amused by such framing.
SaganAppreciationSoc 9 months ago
@SaganAppreciationSoc So god came from Carl Sagan? ;)
shilltheshillXXX 8 months ago