Heart Of Oak - Sharpe´s Challenge

[LambChowder1]

thats a forlorn hope so theyre pretty much guaranteed to die, thats why the one guy pukes shortly after this

[NobleKorhedron]

What's with the ceremony where it looks like a Hindu Ash Wednesday?

[Oswulf1]

It would help if the singer could keep the tune.

[smsgt1]

@Skipissatan For the British Army Gurkhas are recruited from Nepal, with the British Army sending out teams to find prospective candidates. Competition for places is fierce with around 30 applicants for every one available place, these are held throughout Nepal.

Yes there are Gurkhas in the Indian Army, and in the Singapore Police, but for the British Army, they come exclusively from Nepal.

[slideharp1]

@smsgt1 I had a grand-uncle who was a soldier in The Black Watch. He drew me a sketch of a kukhri - Gurkha knife - when I was very young. He ran his finger along the inner edge saying "and that bit, you could shave yourself with it". An exaggeration, but....... They were brigaded with the Gurkhas and were an Elite force in the BA.

[johnnybriggs118]

I always look forward to Hearts of Oak on Remembrance Day and I'm relatively young and I've never been in the armed forces. "Every man thinks ill of himself for not having been a soldier" . Also I've advised a couple of Gurkhas and was proud to do so. Lovely polite people. Steady Boys Steady

[Shadowfang3000]

I thought Heart of Oak was the Royal Navy's tune D:

[KwaiNyu]

What movie is this from?

[ViccardXViccc]

@KwaiNyu Sharpe's challenge

[jacarradicefrench]

Pardon? Why is an army officer singing the song of a sailor?

[ClassicalMonarchism]

This is the naval tune, is it not?

[ViccardXViccc]

@ClassicalMonarchism It is.

[jimincairns]

The Gurkha regiments are comprised of white officers with black privates.

How exotic!

[dave2806]

gods country , gods people , time to teach pride in who and what we are !

[Puzzoozoo]

Its a navy song, not an army song.

[Skipissatan]

@Xon0sc0peoX As I said, Gurkhas are from nepal and northern india.

[Whycantdogscothermen]

you're clearly an idiot skipisstan, the Nepalese fight as part of the Gurkha regiment, not the Indians.

[Skipissatan]

@Whycantdogscothermen Actually they are from nepal and northern india, wikipedia it. I'm clearly not an idiot.

[ViejoCabo]

In Spain, the Basque Police (Erztaintza) are called Sepoys (zipaios) by the Basque Terrorists of ETA

[Nurdbot]

I'm tempted to upload Harry Prices version now.

[brucelee12]

Amen to that! England for the win.

[choconibletbeans]

the brittish conquered most of it that was arthur wessleys first campaign in india to conquer the land of wealth

[sensimontao]

why are these indians helping the British?

[smegpot198]

Because at the time India was part of the British Empire you blithering idiot.

Don't you study history in outer mumbo jumbo land?

[sensimontao]

India is still a member of the commonwealth nations, why you do not help the British now?

[fishhead06]

Commonwealth =/= Empire.

[sensimontao]

these indian soliders are fighting for money or they are forced to do so? What were they thinking?

[fishhead06]

They were thinking, "Hey, a paycheque!" "Hey, adventure!" just like other young men in Britain and the Empire at the time.

[GLyddonable]

@sensimontao They volunteered you stupid Ozi.

[sensimontao]

Really? they did not seem to like poms that much.

[thebigJM92]

India was not a country before the British. It was a subcontinent ruled by hundreds of Maharajah's, Kings, Prince's etc. Not only that but there were Portuguese, Dutch and at one point French (Pondecherry) troops in India. The British East India Company paid well, was relatively lenient, and generally won. It was a no-brainer.

[sensimontao]

are you trying to say that the British helped indians, having their nation united?

[thebigJM92]

Both good and bad. In the modern world having an Empire is wrong. But in those days it was a choice between Britain, France, Portugal, Holland, Russia or perpetual war between violent factions. None of those choices were good, but one of them was going to happen. On the plus side the British united India, created an efficient civil service, introduced infrastructure such as railway lines etc, prevented Japanese invasion in WW2, stopped the thuggie mass murderers and stopped wife burning.

[sensimontao]

thanks for your objective explaination, it seems that the british has done more good than bad during the occupation, no wonder the indians still suck up to ya. Well done poms.

[thebigJM92]

LOL! No worry's, i've probably missed bits out (on both sides) but thats a pretty good rough guide!

[sensimontao]

sorry mate, I am not an Aussie, I am from beijing, China.

[thebigJM92]

On the downside it led to the Mutiny which also killed many people, European and Indian, it was not inclusive of Indian views (other than the Princes, Maharajahs etc), it didnt do enough to combat poverty (but in fairness no-one would have!) and it allowed the British East India Company to gain some of its riches through dishonest means.

But then think how many million Indians joined up in the First World War, there are even diaries showing how many did join to defend the empire.

[LEGENDPURGE]

why are you trying to contradict everything that people are saying? its so annoying, do you know youre wrong aswell?

[Skipissatan]

Indians still fight in the British army, as part of the Gurkha regiments, and also those that have immigrated to Britain. There is a great deal of respect for them amongst the British. Those that lived there as part of the empire speak of it with great warmth. Hopefully, as Empires go, the British was a benevolent one.

[ThunderCracker26]

@Skipissatan You're joking, right? The British Empire was hardly benevolent. Like all Empires, it was created by conquering and subjugating others, and then enforcing the conquer's way of life and values upon the conquered. I'm not Empire - bashing, but that's just the fact of the matter.

[Skipissatan]

@ThunderCracker26 look it up. Gurkhas are from Nepal and Northern India. Why do you think there are Gurkha regiments in the army. I promise you this is true look it up.

[Skipissatan]

@ThunderCracker26 My exact words were "relatively benevolent", and compared to other historical empires it certainly was. Whilst the notion of empire is intrinsically wrong to pretend that there were no positives to the British empire is naive and blinkered. We brought industrialisation, medicine, the rule of law to countries where these things did not exist. From a utilitarian perspective much of Africa was better off under the British and life expectancies dropped by 20 years when we left.

[Skipissatan]

@ThunderCracker26...in some countries. This was due to an inability of some governments to manage healthcare and avoidable disease effectively. diseases like trypanosomiasis and filariasis returned where they were once almost gone and economies collapsed. We also helped create some incredibly successful democracies (NZ, Oz, Canada, India) with the institutions we put in place when we left. The issue is not black and white but shades of grey.

[VigisKane]

@Skipissatan

The Gurkhas are not indian they come from Nepal

[brendan51287]

@VigisKane I didnt want to say, but yes, youre right. However-and correct me if I am wrong, please, but I am sure at one point in their history, the Gurkhas where aso recruited from India, because there where different clans? Though in the Indian mutiny, the Gurkhas firmly remained with the British even though the mutiny did directly result from a religion most of them followed, but thats another matter

[cockneymcfadden1979]

@brendan51287 are you not confusing gurkhas with sikhs there? Im not sure you are but i believe a great number of sikhs joined the british army after fighting them as, similarly to some zulu warriors, they recognised and respected bravery on the battlefield no matter who exhibited it?

[pal2able]

@Skipissatan "as empires go" being the key phrase there

[Skipissatan]

@pal2able its almost like im aware of that, and that's why i said it. In the case of the British empire the issue isn't black and white. In Nigeria before the people were ruled by rich whites, now they are ruled by rich blacks, but their education system and health system are worse, there are fewer jobs and the average person is worse off. This in a country of immense mineral and natural wealth where power was transferred gradually...

[Skipissatan]

@pal2able in any case an American is hardly in a position to comment. British imperialism was both vastly more successful and considerably less bloody than that of our cousins. Even the worst atrocities of our empire; the mau mau uprising etc pale in comparison to vietnam, indonesia and the horrors perpetrated in south america. It's like a black hole calling the kettle black....

[gobabygo90809]

@Skipissatan probably the only huge blemish that america had as far as i know was slavery. vietnam was a war between north vietnam against south vietnam, austrailia, and the u.s., not a colonization. and what are you talking about as far as indonesia and south america.

[Skipissatan]

@gobabygo90809 you might want to read up a little about US foreign policy for the last 60 years or so then...how exactly did the US get involved with a war in vietnam and what exactly did it have to do with them? sounds a little like imperialism to me...

[smsgt1]

@Skipissatan As has been said the Gurkhas are from Nepal! And it would take a very brave man indeed to want to get on the wrong side of them!

[Skipissatan]

@smsgt1 Gurkhas claim descent from the Hindu Rajputs of Northern India, who entered modern Nepal from the west. Guru Gorkhanath had a Rajput Prince-disciple, the legendary Bappa Rawal, born Prince Kalbhoj/Prince Shailadhish, founder of the Royal house of Mewar, who became the first Gurkha and is said to be the ancestor of the Royal family of Nepal. The Gorkha region of nepal is so named as they took it over, not because they originally came from there.

[Skipissatan]

@smsgt1 So Gurkhas come from both nepal and india. India also has Gurkha regiments in its army.

[xanderno1]

@Skipissatan their from nepal

[Skipissatan]

@xanderno1 did you actually read my previous comment- Gurkhas as a people come from northern india- they took over part of nepal. Now they come from both. The nepalese, indian and British armies all have gurkha regiments in them. Look it up. I'm right.

[higfny]

@Skipissatan I'm not sure it always was benevolent, but the British Empire did a lot more good than it did harm. May the sun always shine on all it's children ;)

[ThePalaeontologist]

@higfny I agree. The British Empire was flawed in terms of ethical issues here and there, but lets face it, thats just how we chose to look back on it. In its time, it truly was the most noble empire on earth.

[evilhazza]

@ThePalaeontologist That's probably the most sensible thing I've heard said about the empire in a long time.

[TheDrummerboi94]

@Skipissatan Gurkha's are NOT Indian, they are Nepalese! god help anyone who calls a Gurkha and indian to their face !

[OWTS1885]

@Skipissatan I understand your point, but the repercussions of the British Empire across the globe still resonate today. Look at the religious and economic turmoil of several countries Britain once occupied, they are all problems that have been ongoing for a century and more, since the last redcoat left those shores. Bringing western culture to others did not nessecarily help or change them.

[Henners1991]

@Skipissatan Aren't Gurkhas Nepalese?

[Aragorn106654]

@Skipissatan They are some of the greatest soldiers in the British army, and deserve a helluva lot of respect. Though there are examples of the British empire being a cruel, totalitarian empire, there are still greater examples of it being benevolent.

[Jzadek72]

@Aragorn106654

That's apologist nationalism. We basically, quite simply, screwed up completely every country we went to. The same is true of most western nations of the time, but we, the Brits, seemed to be best at it. Most developing countries today are considered so because of us. Look at a map of the old empire. I can guarantee that pretty much all of them will be developing, and those that aren't will usually only be like that because we almost exterminated the indigenous peoples.

[Aragorn106654]

@Jzadek72 I suppose its the same with all empires, as you said; the only reason it was more obvious with us is because we covered 25% of the world at our height. The french empire screwed over the Vietnamese, the 'Americans' screwed over the Natives, and the Spanish screwed over the Aztecs and Incas. There will always be consequences (ie: exterminating religions or destroying local economies and societies) with imperialism, which is why is dislike the idea. Still, thanks for replying :)

[NobleKorhedron]

@Skipissatan: Well, they were authoritarian gits, but put it this way - I'd rather have lived under British rule than under Czarist Russia or the Kaiser's Empire in greater Germany during the 1800's.

[1946nimrod]

@Skipissatan Indeed, there is huge respect for the Gurkhas but they're from Nepal, not India.

[PhilipineMan]

At this time a fraction of India was British.

[Malskazz]

DURHHH WHAT IZ BRITISH EMPIRE DUHRRR

[williamcholo3460]

The British expanded their empire to all corners of the world. They did this for trade and exploring, one of these places was India. India was like a colony to the British or something like that. There is a saying "the sun never sets on the British empire" they had influence everywhere.

[sensimontao]

influence = occupation? Is the British always the master of indians? a nation worship false Gods will never raise their heads.

[williamcholo3460]

i think they had a diplomatic influence on the people form india, not so much master and commander over them. and a nation worshiping false gods? while a religion might be false to some, to the people worshiping it...its real? right?im not sure what you ment by that

[flatschie]

This is part of the an episode of a british tv series. This episode is called sharpes challenge

the main charater is richard sharp (sean bean) who stars as lt.col sharp (sgt./ 2nd lt./ lt /cpt./ maj./lt.col in order of promotion)

[rete125678]

What is the name of the movie (if it is movie)?

[MrTitanRed]

It's a TV series called Sharpe, i 100% reconmend it

[rete125678]

Thanks for the help. I sure will watch it.

[Yokohama231]

I want me one of those shiny suits. Only reason I joined.

[Yokohama231]

March on the Guard. HMS Raleigh. Passing out Parade June 2009. REME Band made me feel 12 foot tall. Proud to serve.

[Stringfell0wHawke]

Have a good career Yokohama231, you have joined a proud service. And enjoy yourself aswell over the next few years :)

[Yokohama231]

Cheers bud. Enjoying some leave atm. Back to it tomorrow.

[badtothebone8888]

if hes alive in the next few years

i hope he gets shot in the kneck :P

[JD1010101110]

yep you might get to cry on iranian television

[RustBaron]

ratmans right i mean does the line "brittainia rules the waves" mean that only seamen can sing that song i dont think so:D

[sellack]

Theres a better rendition in the episode called "Sharpes Company" when an officer sings it just before the storming of the town Badajoz in Spain

[L3wis1]

I watched that today, that officer should have remained in the series.

[Nomadvideos1]

yeh he should hav but in the books he lives on for quite some time

[L3wis1]

Yeah, the books are slightly better. Currently Re-reading sharpes escape.

Brilliant book

[Nomadvideos1]

Yeh that was a better version 2 this 1

[theflyingmouse]

Sung in Sharpe's Company by Harry Price.

[Finnishbastard]

Why is an army officer singing navy song?

[MonkeyWrench4269101]

I was wondering that, maybe he's a marine?

[RagdollPhysics]

it's a song about killing french people, that's always been a popular theme in British armed force no matter which branch. Not that they hold a grudge or anything =P

[Poltair]

"You must hold every man who speaks ill of your King as your enemy and treat every Frenchman as if he were the devil himself." - Arthur Wellesey, Duke of Wellington and British Prime Minister.

[MrCharles94]

@RagdollPhysics Yeah, and it's also used as the anthem of Canadian Navy, but they changed the lyrics when they realized 20% of canadians speak french and have french origin. Lol

[lobbotekka2019]

@RagdollPhysics

LOL. It must have been awkward singing it in WWI and WWII. :-D

[tehdarksideofme666]

thats what i was just thinking i am in sea cadets and imma like i am pretty thats an army officer singing then i was like whatt thats fucked!!!

[ratmaaan]

The song is about the Year of Victories, 1759 - 1760 when Britain won four major battles and turned the tide of the Seven Years War. Two of those battles were won by the\army so a squaddie is as entitled to sing it as any sailor.

More to the point, those lads are in the Forlorn Hope and know that many of them will die in the attack. As such they are entitled to sing any damn thing they like to keep their spirits up.

[oldcorps96]

It's not so much a question of entitlement as it is one of prediliction. Let's see -- a mess-mate before a shipmate, a shipmate before a stranger, a stranger before a dog, and a dog before a soldier.

Nope, the Army doesn't start belting out "Heart of Oak" any more than sailors start singing "British Grenadiers."

Nice try. Valour notwithstanding, we all know which is the Senior Service, and it's not the Army.

[Redheadfury]

It's explained in the books, basically one Officer likes it and sings it while he leads a charge up a hill and they get slaughtered, but the film dudes liked it so gets everyone to sing it.

[nks487]

Who are so free as the sons of the waves?

[ferrycorsten73]

Heart of oak are our ships, heart of oak are our men;

We always are ready, steady, boys, steady!

We'll fight and we'll conquer again and again.

[Sorrellz]

I know that it was usually sung by the navy at gibraltar thats how the army learnt it and began singing it as a camp song mate.

[Sorrellz]

I love this song it somes up the british army conquering and being masters of the world as they should be.

[maramoto1]

Its about the Royal Navy mate - nothing to do with the army

[cmonmangetmein]

lol, thoughs lyrics were messed up. im a OC, or a OS (ordanary cadet/ordanary seamen) and i am the fourth best cadet at drill. (not including po's and coxswain)

[Brisks]

THat's good, drill is really useful when you have a crazy Muslim detonating an I.D. as you drive past.

[SoeJatriani]

Hahaha :D Good one!

[macvsog23]

your opinion just that a opinion and mine for what it is worth is leave the lad alone

[Brisks]

Yeah, I haven't sent a comment to him for a month I think that is left alone, but since you reminded me I think Ill send him a message calling him a cunt to spite you.

[macvsog23]

Naturaly he will be most excited at hearing from some one so educated and smart as your good self. I am sure it will give him the total enjoyment you would wish for him to have. Also I am sure some one so creative as you could think of a far better joke to play on the chap but then its small minded weak willed subhuman unter mesh like you that we tried to remove with the final solution . I am sure we missed you for a good reason. poss that you were so subhuman that we thought you were a microb

[Brisks]

Learn how to write comprehensively, we're not in the 18th century anymore, and even if we were that is still awful grammar. Cunt.

[macvsog23]

Oh dear is one upset

I would normaly not bothger with vernin like you but for some reason you have sliped past the natural selection.

Ture I cant spell true I cant compose but I have seen you kind scream for mummmy when they spit the last drop of blood people like you are why we have to have people like Pol pot with out simple people we have no reason to hate the stupid, matter finished but I guess your swear to finish your rants

[Brisks]

I just think it's funny to wind idiots like you up. I'm smiling as I write cunt I'm not annoyed at all.

Thanks for bothgering with me though. Whatever the fuck that means, you cunt.

[macvsog23]

When you are trying to think of the next swaer word dont starin that pea sized brain will you after all your the only example of the missing link left alive

[macvsog23]

Dam I had a bet that a fug wit like you would reply with at the minimum 4 cunts and 2 fucks

Looks like I have lost the bet.

well well pip pip old chap thanks for reinforcing my joy at the great menn of history may they remove you at some time

[Brisks]

Cunt. I'm surprised you don;t understand yet/

[Brisks]

From your spelling it looks like you're the one with the strained brain. Cunt.

[foolsbetrippin]

you really just sound like arrogant unintelligent asshole.

[Pereira360]

oh man, thos words were so fucked up :P way off, as a sea cadet i know :P

[Trowa099]

lol i know what u mean im cadet aswell well used to be am a PO now

[Pereira360]

Aye Aye P.O. Trowa

[Paladin1441]

That old soldier gives it true meaning, he must have been a veteran of many assaults, he represents those of us who went into harms way.

[RockyC123]

price sang it better in sharpe's mission

[Dhbrydon]

This is an excerpt from one of the Sharpe series, Please read those wonderful books by Bernard Cornwall they are great.

[appelgren01]

como se llama esta película???

What's the name of this film?

[pgfsilva]

Sharpe´s Challenge

[cwlhandluc]

Its not a film it was a series of tv shows

[esnacionalis]

great song!!

[ukredsox]

is this sung by john tams?

[fathairyarab]

its not him i have the soundtrack.

[pgfsilva]

Well... but he sings "over the hills" at the end of the movie...right?

[pgfsilva]

He actually sings in the soundtrack...but I don't know if it´s Tams singing here...I mean, it doesn't seems to be his voice...

[poseur67]

Hearts of Oak was a tune adopted by the RN after it was was written by David Garrick to celebrate the Naval victories of 1759-1760.This small clip does not quite get across the the enormous pride one feels when the the tune starts to swell to commence "March Past" on divisions. Makes "Anchors Aweigh" sound like the back track to an advertisement for Piles.

[Poejoy]

It's much more stirring as that, true but I found this very touching in its own way.

[soniqspeed57]

Royal Canadian Sea Cadets Rule!!!

Steady, Boys Steady!!!

[Ed7789]

The Heart of Oak (and Coeur de chêne in it's french translation) is actually the Official march of the Sea element of the Canadian Forces and also, it is the Official march of the Royal Canadian Sea Cadets.

[pgfsilva]

didn't know... thank you...

[Ed7789]

You're welcome :)

[matelot95]

Heart of Oak is the March Past of the Royal Navy. In the 18th and 19th centuries the Royal Navy's deeds were well documented, lauded and praised throughout the land. It would have been a very popular and well known tune in those days.

[brokenrealm]

Britannia triumphant, her ships sweep the sea,

Her standard is Justice -- her watchword, 'be free.'

Then cheer up, my lads, with one heart let us sing,

Our soldiers, our sailors, our statesmen, and king.

[brokenrealm]

Britannia triumphant, her ships sweep the sea,

Her standard is Justice -- her watchword, 'be free.'

Then cheer up, my lads, with one heart let us sing,

Our soldiers, our sailors, our statesmen, and king.

[Paladin1441]

The man represents a soldier who is about to take part in an attack against well defended fortress, He is getting his courage up. At first I was surprised to hear the British Army sing it. But then it is a hell of a song.

[brokenrealm]

? Its a Briish song!

[Paladin1441]

I am aware that it is a british song. Sung mostly by THE ROYAL NAVY! What I was trying to say is that I am surprized that the british army sang it as well.

[brotherdevil]

not the best voice i heard it sung in. it sounds really dry. unfortunately i am less impressed with this guy singing, it should have been price like in Sharpe Company. he sung it beautifully.

[SoldierFrontPwnage]

where was that show shown?

[pgfsilva]

No Idea...guess it´s just a dvd...probably from the UK, since Cornwell is an English writer and sharpe´s movies are produced by BBC(I Think, not sure)...But if you want to know where did the story take place, it was in India...

[alacrity174]

It's a British TV show but has been on many times in the US mainly on PBS and BBC America. From the Sharpe series of books.