Funny! It's a wonder that so many people seemed to be in favor of spending more than any country in the world on health care and yet still to have so many people who either have none or can't afford to get the care they need. Evidently, the pharmaceutical and health insurance corporations, drug stores, et al. and their lackeys in Congress are able to convince the majority to vote against their own welfare. That's backward!
self employed , barely can afford my ins, will gov make it better, GOV will screw up a one car funeral, my cost will go up even more, I could give a rats ass whos party's in, untill voters pull there heads out of there sheeps asses were screwed. Id vote for a 3rd grader with torrets before Id reelect anyone in DC.
seiu video? seiu are communist thugs and the way they portray the tEA PARTY RALLIES IS ABSURD...THESE THUGS ARE LIARS, and watching this post reveals what they are up to. These rats are resposnsable for parts of the health care bill that gives them a sweetheart deal! SEIU=MOTHERF-----ERS! SEIU NEEDS TO BE DISBANNED!
To neverbeeneasy, democrats have never promised perfection, only something better than we have now. On top of this many doctors and other experts have pointed out that if we were to just simply redirect the inefficient funding that is in place now that the increase in cost to the average tax payers would be nothing, and if we had to, we could just reinstate the pre-Bush tax levels for the super elite which would bring in an incredible amount of money.
the "super elite" top 20% pay 86.3% of the total income tax. how much do u pay? why do we always demonize "rich" people and say they dont pay enough taxes, or they are "greedy". im 19 and ive been homeless about 1/3 of my life, and some day, i hope i get rich enough to never have to worry about when my next meal will come or if i can get my kids a good education. thank god i live in america where i have that opportunity.
Hey Sapcecowdude, if this Healthcare Bill is so great why are Pelois and Reid making all the deals behind closed doors. I mean comon, even C-Span has asked them to be transparent. But in actuality, $1.2 Trillion divided by 46 Million Uninsured Democrat Constituents is over $26,000 per year for Health Insurance to lazy bums who can afford Internet, DirecTV, Cellphones and drive an Escalade, but won't purchase Health Insurance, is a lil much for anyone, eh ?
Why is it that the corporate rejects and those who have never started or run a successful business end up working for the government . And they suudenly know what is good for the people and they they need MORE AND MORE TAXES to do what is good for you. Well, I believe in people and free enterprise and the government is the problem.They want more control over you and your money. Do not believe THE ROMATIC POETRY OF SOCIALISTS ABOUT THE PERFECT WORLD THAT THEY CAN BUILD YOU.
This video is great. Make every day americans look like idiots. What the **** is wrong with the people that made this video. And yes I think this national health care is going to be a disaster. Won't take effect til 2013 but we the people will start paying as soon as it is finalized. Plus lets penalize people that cant afford it to begin with. What a great way to jump start our economy. We should just put a bunch of monkeys in the white house because they will do a better job than what we have
This is sad how Americans are being treated as stupid just becuse they don't agree with you. They can't explain all the question that this bill raises so they just say you must stupid if you don't just shut up and follow obama. Damn this what america is turning into. Lets give our up rights and let govt do it becuse it is to hard. We all want reform but not through more corrupt, poorly operate, greedy govt programs that are failing.
These people drive me insane, because they are trying to debunk any credibility anyone would have by making them look like lunatics. Health care, or caring for people's health being reformed in a way that is regulated by the government is more then what it sounds (even though that translation does not sound to good.) Under these bills that are proposed by Obama, it becomes an right of the government to look into your records and make decisions that can prove detrimental to your life.
mikelunz: Why on Earth would I give someone who doesn't even -know- me the right to decide what I should be treated for? Most politicians do a terrible job in their own field - now they're supposed to double as my doctor? Gee, that's quite comforting... not.
Amanda2324: Why on Earthy would I want you to give someone who doesnt even know you the right to decide what you should be treated for? Simply, you shouldnt. We are on the same side, I think that you misinterpreted my response, or mistakingly took it out of context. My original comment was a reply to someone.
When all the senators, congressman and other polititians (which the majority of them are lawyers) create healthcare for ALL American citizens to have the SAME, SAME, SAME healthcare we pay for senators and congressman to have. Then I'll support a polititican to govern healthcare.
@was4dem Nope I'll be one of those that pay for affordable Health Care coverage gladly. I don't know who you are listening to but we will not pay a $15K health care tax. Where'd you get that figure from. Think of it $15K? That's ridiculous. You need to watch C-Span or read the Health Care bill on line instead of spreading false and erroneous information. Don't you ever go to a doctor? Take a chill pill and get the facts will ya!
@hadenufnow I want it! I want the Health Care Reform bill to pass. Millions of us want this bill to reform the way Health Insurance Providers cover the insured. I want it because once my daughter gets out of college our insurance will not cover her anymore and this bill will provide her affordable coverage. I want it because I want the whole Health Care system to improve! I want it because it is an affordable alternative to what we have now!
@spacecowboy98 Great, because under the new Health Care Plan, your daughter will be forced to purchase insurance or be fined and or go to jail. Woo Hoo. Socialism sucks man.
Sorry Deekhead, but we have her covered under our health insurance plan, which means that our insurance plan will have to cover her till she's 26 even though she isn't going to school anymore, you moron. Stop spreading lies and deceit. This health care bill is made for your benefit as well as mine.
and one more thing Dickhead! Yes, she would have to pay for insurance if she wasn't covered by us. And what is wrong with that? Young girls in this country when seeking a job, having health care coverage is high on the list when considering job acceptance. What fucking world do you live in where people are not concerned about their health options? Americans need this Health Care Plan unlike you who has a hole in his head so "no medical attention is necessary"!
The protesters have been planning to run on the doctors for every conceivable test & ailment "in the name of just good health" with a "side effect" of neutering the illegal mandate forced buy in..This will render the FOUR YEARS of financial backing from the remaining public constituency undoubtedly ripped off.....
........They should at least let those guys OPT OUT so they don't get in people's way that want to see a doctor..
I'd like to see the union activists go to war on the scumbag lobbyists that are destroying our country as surely as terrorists...
with the scumbags out of the way, a national non-profit health insurance stands a good chance.
PLEASE Google your Senator & Rep and email them. Tell them we want what our industrial peers have, health ins. at reasonable cost, on a NON-PROFIT basis! NO MORE GIVEAWAYS to Big Pharma and INS COMPANIES. Pls write today!
The government should create a public option program to private insurance program for poor and low income people. It can be just like welfare to work reform. Give people 5 years to financially get their life together so that they can go get private insurance.
seiu has done more to harm workers than any private group could ever do. end the corrupt scum unions that bankrupted the auto industry and the state of california
Funny, the middle class voted Obummer cuz they wanted healthcare costs to go down. Obama promised that. Really, what we are getting is a massive welfare bill that will provide "free" insurance to Hispanics and MSN and Seattle times releases several articles stating that now, health insurance will skyrocket even further for the mid class and working poor. How is that hope and change coming, folks?
My hunch is that you are against Obama and rubbing it in towards people who voted for him right? Most people believe that when the healthcare bill passes and get signed, which it will, that they will not be impacted at all. I will not be effected. I am not going to abandon my healthcare with the school system just because there is a public option. Health insurance premiums rise because American live unhealthy, riskier lives, and the cost of living is going up. It won't be because of the gov.
The HC bill is all about getting stupid people onto the system to pay for the soon to be amnestied illegal constituency...Anyone who wants this 2300 page pile of taxes, fees penalties jail intrusion cuts restrictions is surely stupid and needs the HC for their brain transplant.....You won;t get a penny from the likes of me....so screw.....
You already pay for people who don't have insurance and you already pay for people who are not citizens. When people go to the emergency room, healthcare is provided. Tax dollars go to emergency rooms. This healthcare debate and opposition is all about division in our country. Most people with insurance are against it. Most upper to middle income are against it. Most whites are against it whereas minorities are more for it. It is sad how polarized our nation is. It's class, income, and racial.
If you want the Truth, listen to Dr. Michael Savage of "The Savage Nation." His radio program airs 5 days a week for 3 hours a day (in most of the 400 markets).
Dr. Savage regards himself as a Conservative Independent and his mantras are: "Borders, language and culture" and "Liberalism is a mental disorder."
Dr. Michael Savage has a Ph.D, two Master Degrees, a Bachelor Degree, and has written over 25 excellent books.
Is it true that if I made $10,000 per month that paying 2.5% of that or $250 would keep me out of jail? Yes that is true! So if I made like most Americans say $5,000 per month that that would work out to $125/month right? Yes that is true! And if I was poor and made only $2,500 per month or $62 right? Uh huh! And if I were really poor making only $1,000 per month that would be ummm $25/month right? You know even if I'm poor I think I can afford that. Yes that is true!
I think I want the Public Option. Paying 2.5% is less than what I'm paying presently. I can keep my present healthcare plan unless like my internet plan when Verizon offers me the same thing for less money than AT&T that AT&T lowers their rate plan just to keep me as one of their satisfied customers. So that what real competition is all about,. Electronics industry works the same way VOLUME! What did I pay for that betamax VCR $800 and now DVD players are less than $50 bucks. Cool . . . . .
That is all fine and dandy but what happens when you have an operable Cancer that needs to be removed and it takes 8 months to get it done and then it's metastasized? Do you think the Government Insurance will help with the now more expensive surgeries? I have a friend that lives in Canada and this happened to his Mom. He knows now of 11 other cases he has researched and spoke with what he calls the victims. He is a very interesting Man, and is now a Health Care Specialist.
It's not only the public option that would take care of all and subsequent surgeries but the health care plan is set up for your health plan to cover it also. At what cost? So far the answer is affordable as far as the Public Option is concerned. HR3590 allows you to go shopping and when you apply to a new health plan they cannot deny coverage because of preexisting conditions. And its Republicans that are fiscally irresponsible and leave it to the democrats to have to raise taxes to pay 4 it.
How many democrats does it take to collect the 25 bucks and how much will that cost? of course we need a bigger building to house all these democrats.
Let me see . . . . if I were poor and they said that this operation would cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars because I neglected to exercise preventative health care because I don't have insurance but because of the Health Care Bill I would only have to cough up $25?
Rupert Murdoch, the foreigner (Australian) who owns Fox has done everything he can to destroy American Politics, including the Health Care discussion, and is laughing all the way to the bank with his Health Care industry fat-cat pals. All American taxpayers deserve the best value in Healthcare their collective bargaining power- The Public Option- can get them. THAT'S FREEDOM! TAXPAYERS GETTING THE SAME ADVANTAGES AS SHAREHOLDERS! The current Health Care System is just
Leftists plan is to CONTROL the healthcare system. Say if you needed medical attention, Government doctors will ask; "do you own a weapon?" (guns) When you answered "yes" then they will run a medical questions such as mental disorder and then they will have a reason to take a required medical attention such as pshycological medical attention just because you owned a gun(s), and might actually require you to give up your weapon(s). the next move from big government.
Currently, Private Health Care Corporations CONTROL the healthcare system. Taxpayers negotiating rates through a Public Option will END CONTROL and make these companies compete to provide the best value for the least money, instead of the least value for the most money they've been reaming taxpayers with for decades. The Public Option = ENDING CONTROL, not creating it.
The only way to make this right is to have a free market reform. This require to remove all Washington lobbyist. But reason politicans will not remove lobbyist is because the capaign contributions politicans receive while running for candidacy office. This is both republican and Democrats alike. Bur government control is a fascists kind of government suchas Cuba, and Vennesuala.
Explain why taxpayers should have less leverage to negotiate the best value in health care they can get than shareholders in Health Care / Pharmaceutical corporations do?
btw, are you suggesting the Post Office should not have been created and should be shut down? Medicare? Social Security? The Military? And?
Primary example of a Government trying to be in Business and falling behind in Technology thus getting the crap beat out of them by their competitors (Real Business) where People have a personal steak. The Government should Sell the US postal Service to a Competitor and sell most of the employees with them.
I don't want to live in a Corpocracy, thanks, the private sector (Banking, Health Car, Automotive) have repeatedly FAILED to meet taxpayer expectations. You want to go with corporation/shareholder rights over citizen/taxpayer's rights, fine, I don't. I want a true free market with taxpayers leveraging deals like the corporations already do to provided the most value for the least cost. Or is that a special privilege only Corporations should get?
Your obviously not in Business for your self. You keep referring to big Corporations that is about 1 or 2 percent of the Corporate world. What about the rest of us 98% I'm incorporated I employee 83 fine people I sadly enough had to weed through 300 or so to find this 83. This to me is Smoke and mirrors for other laws that wont hit the news because of this health care debate. Laws that will damper my freedoms and will keep me down as a Business Man. OBAMA care is a Shake Down...nothing more.
Another Law that will go in affect if your Democrats have their way, you will have to pay 75% inheritance tax What the fuck is this. we our Family my Dad, me have already paid taxes on this money what we do with is is our Business not that of a Constitution stomping Government. It's crushing the American Dream an nothing more. Do you think that the Rockefeller family will have to pay this? Remember this tax proposed is linked to real estate as well. The House left behind will be reassessed.
Ohh My Company donates close to 65K per year to Various Charities, But not this year I told them to ask Obama for it because he promised to help them so now I am purchasing a new piece of semi needed tax deductible equipment instead. We will see what happens to various Charities as soon as millions of guys like me stop donating.
I meet all my Taxpayer obligations or I go to Jail. People like me make up the other 98% of the Corporate world so why elect a Governing body that says I'm bad... some how linking me top 2% sound kind of like Racism. Again we the People need to enforce more Over Sight to these top Companies. Big Companies should fail the market will absorb most of the Customers and employees, smaller Companies will form to service new out in the cold Customers. Obama and Bush were stupid to grant bail outs.
It's a public 'option', you know, 'optional', if you don't want it keep what you have or pick something else.
Why should taxpayers have less leverage negotiating with pharmaceutical companies and heath care providers than the shareholders in health insurance companies have?
Why should taxpayers give away, as we have been doing, the right to exploit the free market to get the greatest value for the least cost buy leveraging our collective bargaining power?
You can't spell "which - 'witch'" and you also can't understand how the health care reform is designed to "HELP" not hurt you and I. And you obviously don't understand how the 'Public Option' can keep the insurance companies making millions of dollars and crippling our nation's debt in line by forcing them to compete. But you sure know how to yell and scream obscenities like countless others protesting this health reform and for what? Stop listening to Rush, GB, Bill O and the Fox news network!
You truly want to be taken care of don't you? Bill O has more FACTS! in one show than CNN and NY Times has in a Week. Obama Spend FACT!: 5 times or more than Bush did in his whole term. (I don't happen to like Bush but...) Do you know where the Money is? Democrats think we will get the Money back but mark my words on this day "We will be lucky to get 1/3 of what Obama spent because of how he spent it. "Obama care will kill you early!" Maybe Obama care is good after all!
Facts? Maybe fabrications. But not facts. Maybe twisting what he thinks is truth but not facts. Here's a fact you didn't see coming, Of the 12 Trillion dollars that we're in the hole for Obama is responsible for a Trillion and a half. Bill Clinton left Bush a 3 Trillion dollar surplus when he left office. In 6 month Bush squandered that and put us in the hole by 6 Trillion dollars and that was before 9/11. The republicans are fiscally irresponsible while the Democrats clean up their debts. FACT!
I like the way he corners People with a simple question and they can't answer it because they are Guilty. When he interviewed Barney Frank and asked him if he told the American people that the Housing Market was Strong which he knew at the time it was falling apart thus suckering people out of billions. He couldn't answer it even though Bill O was holding a article written by Barney Frank proving this.
I think he does bend things to his favor but at least he asks the correct questions he does expose people for what they are by asking very direct questions. Juicy two sided debates for the most part don't exist on CNN or they just purposely fail to report it. I would hardly say that Democrats clean up anything but rather infect areas that don't need it and fail to infect areas that do. Some Republicans are guilt of this as well. Bush does need cleaning up after but not by more Government.
Your facts are all wrong. It never ceases to amaze me how liberal ideologues make up facts to support their beliefs. Even the most outrageous numbers claimed by anyone don't begin to approach the suggestion that Clinton left office with a $3 trillion surplus.
The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).
While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.
Verifying this is as simple as accessing the U.S. National Treasury website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained. Considering the government's fiscal year ends on the last day of September each year, and considering Clinton's budget proposal in 1993 took effect in October 1993 and concluded September 1994 (FY1994), here's the national debt at the end of each year of Clinton Budgets:
Bill O is a pimp working for the foreigner pimp Rupert Murdoch who bought his US citizenship so he could own Fox News and make a fortune praying on the fears of Americans while destroying the Republican Party, now the 'Foxpublicans', and laughing all the way to the bank with his Health Care Industry fat cat pals. Let's start immigration reform by shipping Murdoch back where he came from.
The Union can now come into my Company of Happy Employees and Unionize them? Health care etc. There is no way that a Government run Health care will beet what they have now no way. This Party will force me to lay off workers. Jayscott49 you truly want to stomp on our Constitution? More oversight yes but let us go we can do Great things for this Country.
If you're so confident that 'There is no way that a Government run Health care will beet what they have now no way', prove it! Let's road-test the Public Option and see what happens? Would the stock market have managed peoples retirement accounts better than Social Security has? In Switzerland they have a Public Option and Private Health Care Companies, all providing services for the same regulated prices, and the administrative costs are 5.5% vs 30% in US Health Care companies now.
Obama care will kill people early because this is what it is Designed for. Democrats need to be taken care of because they are usually more stupid, unhealthy, lazy, generally like to take the back seat and then complain about the out come, and they like to play victim. They all want everyone to be taken care of but when it comes time to pay up they cheat, then turn Blue dog which takes us no where. Is there a successfully run anything the Democrats are in charge of? I'm think I hate them!
Those damn democrats! Why can't they be just like us Republicans just say no to everything that benefitsl all Americans. The richest country in the world is rich because us Republicans like to take advantage of those stupid, unhealthy and lazy Democrats because we do smart things like support Kenneth Lay of Enron. Uh, decide to go into Iraq instead of Afghanistan? Oh yeah, we Republicans lied about weapons of mass destruction too. Wasn't it cool how the economy crumbled? REPUBLICANS ROCK!
Can you name anything and I mean anything that is primarily run by Democrats IE. a State, County, City, Business, etc. that has a surplus of cash? and that isn't falling on it's face. Fact: The Democrats spend an average of 4 dollars for every one distributed. Democrats don't give a Shit about the poor are you kidding. All democratic States have the highest unemployment rates? As to Afghanistan about 24 or more Countries say that this is the terrorist hub. not just us. Enron? WTF?
nikko? when President Clinton left office do you know that he left Bush with a 3 trillion dollar surplus? Trillion dollars not billions of dollars. Trillion! And within 6 months Bush a Republican squandered that 3 trillion and he set us back 6 Trillion dollars! This was all before 9/11 hit! Bush put us in a 6 trillion dollar deficit before 9/11 hit and he wasn't even in office for 9 months. To date Obama has only set us back about a Trillion and a half because of your Republican president. Hmmm
Ohh and by the way nikko, the Govenor in California the Schwartzenegger has huge problems juggling his debts. Yeah, he's a Republican right? Republicans Rock!
Still responding to the 1st on but this one is easy did you know that Grey Davis (DEMOCRAT!) sold us down the road for many years to the Unions and Power Companies IE ENRON despite being warned by some of the smartest Businessmen in California. This is what the Terminator signed on for. They will end up with my Wife retirement as well. Oh and all the Fucking Money is going to the education and medical needs for over 15 million illegals primary run by Democrats! whom all work for Cash in LA
Illegal immigrants is a sore spot for me too. I don't know what we should do but I agree with you that is a problem that will bite us in the butt if we don't address that soon. But we need to address the economy, the health care reform is part of that. Unemployment needs to also be addressed and Obama is on it if only this War in Afghanistan wasn't necessary. But nikko I hear you. I believe we want the same things we are just on opposite sides of the fence as to how it'll get worked out. Peace!
Your right that's why I am and Independent. The 547 (?) members in Congress should be removed for their failure to oversight. Bush for one what a fucking piece of work he is. He was told over and over that we needed more Over site in the upper teared Financial Markets and Fail to do so. Barney was busy "Blowing Politicians" and telling the American People that the Housing Market was Strong while holding the real facts in his hand. At the same time investing in the Failure of Wall Street.
Barny Frank also put the Heat on Lenders to make loans to the less fortunate Black Community which being Red, Yellow, Black or White, could never afford or have any business getting into. Barny Frank indirectly helped with Predatory lending when he new the Markets were crashing. Again no Over Site. The Reason Clinton Had a Surplus is because of Reaganomics? And our Militery was rather week by the end of his term but to Blame Republicans partially correct. "This too big to fail motto"isBS
the reason clinton had the 3 trillion dollar surplus is because he had Greenspan and Larry Summers recommending that he bring down our debt. If you listened to his speeches his goal always was to leave the US in better shape for the next generation. To achieve the surplus he closed a lot of military bases and trimmed government waste. Clinton also tried and failed to get Bin Ladin. Bush ignored Richard Clark and fired him because R Clark kept insisting that Bush go to Afghanistan.
We had Saddam on a bridge ready to pull the trigger and Clinton said no. I do agree with you about the top Republicans were a finance nightmare. I didn't like or vote for Clinton but I did end up liking him in the end... He did sell targeting secrets but he did come over to the middle by the end. No big the Bush admin sold weapons to all kinds of groups that kill. I personally think this President has a very different agenda than Clinton.
It is very interesting how you didn't like or vote for Clinton but in the ednd you started to like him. Clinton just like Obama was subject to the harsh rhetoric of the extreme right radical republican that poisoned and infected his image. If you take out the Lewinski factor he was a great President. Obama like Clinton suffers from the same fate because we have people like Rush, GB, Bill O, Lou Dobbs and the Fox Network seem to enjoy suppressing anything pro-democrat.
Obama is doing a great job. And the decisions tht he's made against all conventional wisdom is begining to yield real and incremental positive results. Yes, spending is out of control but absolutely necessary to prop up the financial sector and keep jobs from shedding. The Health Care Reform is a necessary element of the economy and addressing the national as well as corporate debt. The anti-Obama rhetoric is distracting from getting Americans on board to help move this country forward.
You Nikko are an open minded person. It just took you too long to realize that Clinton actually had genuinely good intentions and he just like Obama are making all good attempts to do a good job for us Americans. Both Clinton and Obama take their job very seriously. If you listen to Obama whenever he speaks you will get a feel for his heart. Listen to someone else about Obama and its rumor. Seriously pay attention to what Obama says not what others say about him. I hope he changes your mind.
There were only 4 original pages of Constitution of the United States of America, at the present it is less than 20 pages. Why is it that a document this size can & has ran the most powerful country in the world but the Dems say that we need a Bill that is over 2,000 pages to run health care? This makes no sense at all.
My point is that The Constitution of the United States of America was written with honesty and it was direct to the point with nothing to hide. Every American could read it and every American was aware of what it would take to run this country.
The Health Care Bill the Democrats are trying to ram down our throats is not direct and to the point and too much can be hidden within 2,000 pages of legal mumbo jumbo that not every American can understand.
You have a point there! Yeah, why are they trying to ram this Health Care Reform bill down our throats? What are they trying to hide in these 2,000 pages of legal mumbo jump we can't understand? Hmmmm, should maybe we read it anyways just to see what they are up to. Yeah, let's read it first and see if we can make heads or tails of it. Let's make up our own minds and take our time to understand it thoroughly. Is it really as bad as we think? What's the public option all about anyway? Hmmm . .
"Yes, we are above you, and you should listen to us. We are the educated, elite, secular humanists, who REALLY know what's good for you." ....They are so blind in their smug conceit, they don't realize how this video exposes them for the frauds they really are.
"Look at all the people here" ... what a complete lie vs. a million people marching on Washington (without one arrest) ... whoever created this video is a huge huge liar
here is my suggestion a little harsh but it can be done if we intend on stopping the government from marking our people and the nwo we need to act now
watch my video called america wake up and pass it along to everyone
all we need to do is put a start date on the calender preferably 30 days from now after the world
on the internet knows about it then stop em shut the us down and stay home till we get the changes from the govt they will at this point have no choice but to make changes
Bite me, fools. Health care, as proposed, would charge someone making 400% over the federal poverty level a yearly premium of 12% of their income with a 30% deductible. Suck on THAT, Pelosiheads
The current Democratic Party leadership is tainted by corruption, and the liberals among us are supporting Socialists with their agendas based on implementing Fascist, Marxist and Communist political doctrines within our own government. These Socialists are clearly a threat to everything we hold sacred in America, and they are gaining evermore control over our Democratic Party, our Nation, and the American people.
MORONS!!! You know little of representing the other side, those who are opposed to financial enslavement of the people to government, especially under this socialized health care plan. Your mockery is utterly despised!!!!!
this is quite possibly the worst video on youtube, i want my 2 minutes and 48 seconds back, you proved absolutely nothing in this video other than the fact that you have no idea what is actually in this so called "health care reform" bill, this is some weaakkk shit
What a joke. Where are the purple shirts in this video? Let's "distort" the truth to shove through socialized medicine. This video is an absolute joke, like the joke that's in the White House. Welcome back, carter!
the left say that certain agents are working people up into a frenzy with scare tactics, and then they say, nobody is in a frenzy everyone wants the obama plan. Which is it? The truth is definitely not this video. People are worked up and scared and their concerns should be countered with facts and information, not mockery. I'm currently in favor of the plan, but i find this video filthy and offensive to the cause.
we see the first look at whats in this health scare bill. so anyone that still believes obama gives a shit about anyone is a fool. i advise anyone that sees seiu thugs on their block, to call the police. that goes for acorn, or any other name they hide behind. i mean what kind of black people would use and sell out there own kind. i'm looking for unity. any brothers that want to posse up, come aboard, in the end we will make the REAL CHANGE, we'll be equal,and free ourselves from their prison.
LOL what a waste of my time to have watched this vid, you folks on the left are so full of crap, you all make me sick, you will be the downfall of this great nation, get the hell out .
I don't see 100,000 people protesting to have the health care go through? These guys need to pull there heads out of there ass and really do there research on what is going on in other countries that have Universal health care?
Oh, he's just trying to justify the fact that he voted for the guy, and doesn't want to look stupid... and then he spoke. HA Seriously, this is not even close to the best they can do! You're institutionalized
The Korporate Nazi like regime that runs it have used fear of death and sickness for decades. I remember being in shithole sweatshops and wanting to quit. The first thing my slavish parental types would ask in utter horror is, "Where will you get insurance?" It has been used to keep people in bondage, this private insurance. It is dispensed like an indulgence from the dripping yap of a sucking monster. The AIG types are just threatened now. I care little for any of them, to little at all.:)
The majority of people are against a public "option" because the intent isn't for it to be an "option" at all; the intent is to force government run healthcare down the throats of citizens who don't want it.
H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax. [page 1]
The penalty:
• Section 7203 misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year
way to take one exert from a source just to condemm an entire idea. dud u learn that in church? look the plan is not perfect but ignorant people like you are so afraid of Socialism you see it everywhere. This is the best we can do now and By the way The Post office is socialized and FedEx and UPS are seeing record profits so this plan can work. but America needs a Universal HealthCare System whats wrong everyone chipping in for the betterment of society or is that unAmerican?
Next time you you respond, do so without such laughable logical fallacies....your ad hominem attacks are childish at best.
WHy is the "best that we can do right now" mean that insurance is mantled upon Americans who choose not to have it, and if you choose not to have it becasue you simply DONT NEED IT, you can be penalized $25k or 12 mos. in jail? Best we can do? The senate took that verbage out of their bill; why didnt the House? USPS, seriously??? Get an education, please.
once again you cleverly left out that this bill will make it illeagal for the insurance companies to drop your coverage for preexisting conditions or waterdown your coverage when you get sick and the in the bill there is a waiver that if you do not want insurance you sign the waiver and are not subject to fines or jailtime by forfiting treatment if you think you DONT NEED IT. Universal healthcare is the only solution but the idea of helping the sick dosent exist in America
This is one great obig pitiful attempt at a red herring....I will wait why you look it up.
Address once more, err scrath that, youve never addressed this: why is it consitutional to force an individual to purchase insurance in the event they dont want it? Should we now make it mandatory for those who do not drive to purchase car insurance? Youre actually better at just calling people ignorant and ridiculing their religion.....you simply can not keep up logically. Take a course or three.
Pay attention This plan is not perfect Universal Healthcare is what we should have. that being said when Healthcare lobbyist outnumber politicians 4:1 any law that prevents them from droping your covereage when you get sick or denying care for any of the other arbitrary reasons is progress. and further more if you do not want to by health insurance cuz u think you dont need ityou can sign a waiver under this plan so hospitals dont have to treat you. thus making you exemt from the penalties. DICK
This is not a logical argument: its the best thing to do so we should do it. This argument is so elementary that I dont even think it meets the standard of a logical fallacy. The waiver has serious limitations, based on income...you have to be below 18k in income for the waiver. Keep with the name calling, its really the only advancement to your argument that makes any sense (for a six yeaqr old).
Yes, I work for these same types. One has a wife and 5 mistresses, and needs to keep them in different homes. A complete amoral money worshipper from hell. Obviously, he can provide the best baby killers money can buy if his rubber blows. I'd love to see his firm hit by taxes to pay for the people he's fucked along with his hired sharks. Seriously. Good. Tax 'em dead. Tax him and others like him into the dirt. It'll be good when judgement falls deep into their hidden accounts. HealthCareNOW.
What isn't funny: It will be so nice when a person brings their sick daughter for treatment and is confronted with a DMV-style waiting room an SEIU employee behind a thick pane of glass, who is more intent on telling a parent what regulations govern the "treatment" that a child is entitled too. When the parent explains that the current treatment isn't working an an alternative may work better, the SEIU employee scurries off for lunch.
It's funny, but lame! It's the best the Socialists can do. Can't accurately represent what is being offered. Obamacare doesn't cover all America. Obamacare covers his new Amerika.
You might benefit from a little bit of higher education. Our country has been a combination of socialist and capitalist principals for over a hundred years. Its been established over and over that 100% capitalism does not work. Should we throw out the anti-trust laws? Shut down the libraries? Close public schools?
Our society is not, nor has ever been "100% capitalist" in the sense that there is a safety net provided for those in the greatest need to meet those needs or regulation against unbridled corporate interests.
The difference: Obama's socialism isn't a "safety net" for a few, it creates a "hammock" for many - forcing a massive expansion of government that saps personal drive, innovation, productivity - and vastly increases power of Washington at the expense of State rights and individual rights.
And as far as this video goes TY for lying or ignoring the opposition reform proposal. thank you for being ignorant and trying to present ignorance to the people
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist Nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, former six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.
Do you know how many times what you just said has been said? Have you looked the word "socialism" up in the dictionary and then thought about how many capitalisic countries turned socialistic? Your argument is so silly!
phillipmarch22 Not a single Capitalist country went socialist willingly. And please dont bring up hybrids, as they are not socialist. I will help you with definitions so you can rethink your statement
Socialist = A government owned and operated industries ( zero free markets)
Before you call it communism
Communism- People owned industries as a collective with ought any currency, and are being provided by a collective as based on their needs
You don't see the difference. . . Unlike other countries, we became the greatest Nation in the world because we don't have socialism. That is, until now.. . and about any fool can see what it's doing to our Nation.
Oh, I see the difference clearly. In countries with socialized medicine, the doctors and hospitals are run by the goverment.. Even if we went to single payer, the hospitals, doctors, and pharma would be private. Please do your research! Thanks!
Funny! It's a wonder that so many people seemed to be in favor of spending more than any country in the world on health care and yet still to have so many people who either have none or can't afford to get the care they need. Evidently, the pharmaceutical and health insurance corporations, drug stores, et al. and their lackeys in Congress are able to convince the majority to vote against their own welfare. That's backward!
yarmo28 8 months ago
Ha ha ha! The joke will be on the fools who voted for this.
BlueStateChronicle 1 year ago
HEALTH CARE REFORM IS OPPOSED BY MOST AMERICANS! Where are your statistics from?
greysoncpeltier 2 years ago
ObamaCare RIP.
lol
only losers wanted it anyway
ttam72 2 years ago
theyre getting quite desperate arent they.
ih8pinkos 2 years ago
self employed , barely can afford my ins, will gov make it better, GOV will screw up a one car funeral, my cost will go up even more, I could give a rats ass whos party's in, untill voters pull there heads out of there sheeps asses were screwed. Id vote for a 3rd grader with torrets before Id reelect anyone in DC.
jeepurz57 2 years ago
Boring
cybertase 2 years ago
seiu video? seiu are communist thugs and the way they portray the tEA PARTY RALLIES IS ABSURD...THESE THUGS ARE LIARS, and watching this post reveals what they are up to. These rats are resposnsable for parts of the health care bill that gives them a sweetheart deal! SEIU=MOTHERF-----ERS! SEIU NEEDS TO BE DISBANNED!
submarinerDeep6 2 years ago
To neverbeeneasy, democrats have never promised perfection, only something better than we have now. On top of this many doctors and other experts have pointed out that if we were to just simply redirect the inefficient funding that is in place now that the increase in cost to the average tax payers would be nothing, and if we had to, we could just reinstate the pre-Bush tax levels for the super elite which would bring in an incredible amount of money.
mh240bravo 2 years ago
the "super elite" top 20% pay 86.3% of the total income tax. how much do u pay? why do we always demonize "rich" people and say they dont pay enough taxes, or they are "greedy". im 19 and ive been homeless about 1/3 of my life, and some day, i hope i get rich enough to never have to worry about when my next meal will come or if i can get my kids a good education. thank god i live in america where i have that opportunity.
ih8pinkos 2 years ago
Hey Sapcecowdude, if this Healthcare Bill is so great why are Pelois and Reid making all the deals behind closed doors. I mean comon, even C-Span has asked them to be transparent. But in actuality, $1.2 Trillion divided by 46 Million Uninsured Democrat Constituents is over $26,000 per year for Health Insurance to lazy bums who can afford Internet, DirecTV, Cellphones and drive an Escalade, but won't purchase Health Insurance, is a lil much for anyone, eh ?
Ratturd3 2 years ago 2
Incredibly lame ...
Junebug1960 2 years ago
Why is it that the corporate rejects and those who have never started or run a successful business end up working for the government . And they suudenly know what is good for the people and they they need MORE AND MORE TAXES to do what is good for you. Well, I believe in people and free enterprise and the government is the problem.They want more control over you and your money. Do not believe THE ROMATIC POETRY OF SOCIALISTS ABOUT THE PERFECT WORLD THAT THEY CAN BUILD YOU.
neverbeeneasy 2 years ago
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Socialism is a dead . If you like it so much, move to CUBA. Simple and easy.
neverbeeneasy 2 years ago
This video is great. Make every day americans look like idiots. What the **** is wrong with the people that made this video. And yes I think this national health care is going to be a disaster. Won't take effect til 2013 but we the people will start paying as soon as it is finalized. Plus lets penalize people that cant afford it to begin with. What a great way to jump start our economy. We should just put a bunch of monkeys in the white house because they will do a better job than what we have
martinsealcoat 2 years ago
This is sad how Americans are being treated as stupid just becuse they don't agree with you. They can't explain all the question that this bill raises so they just say you must stupid if you don't just shut up and follow obama. Damn this what america is turning into. Lets give our up rights and let govt do it becuse it is to hard. We all want reform but not through more corrupt, poorly operate, greedy govt programs that are failing.
brianlugen 2 years ago 4
These people drive me insane, because they are trying to debunk any credibility anyone would have by making them look like lunatics. Health care, or caring for people's health being reformed in a way that is regulated by the government is more then what it sounds (even though that translation does not sound to good.) Under these bills that are proposed by Obama, it becomes an right of the government to look into your records and make decisions that can prove detrimental to your life.
mikelunz 2 years ago
mikelunz: Why on Earth would I give someone who doesn't even -know- me the right to decide what I should be treated for? Most politicians do a terrible job in their own field - now they're supposed to double as my doctor? Gee, that's quite comforting... not.
amanda2324 2 years ago
Amanda2324: Why on Earthy would I want you to give someone who doesnt even know you the right to decide what you should be treated for? Simply, you shouldnt. We are on the same side, I think that you misinterpreted my response, or mistakingly took it out of context. My original comment was a reply to someone.
mikelunz 2 years ago
One of those two would be correct... my sincere apologies.
The way Youtube misplaces replies to specific comments is rather irritating...
amanda2324 2 years ago
When all the senators, congressman and other polititians (which the majority of them are lawyers) create healthcare for ALL American citizens to have the SAME, SAME, SAME healthcare we pay for senators and congressman to have. Then I'll support a polititican to govern healthcare.
TaberLion 2 years ago
Medical Insurance. We can buy it if we don't need it. We can't buy it when we need it !
Medical Insurance was created for people that don't need it.
TaberLion 2 years ago
F**k the Obamao health care bill and f**k SEIU
Payback in 2010
VoxLibertari 2 years ago
I'll go to another country before I ever pay a criminal Insurance Company a penny..
Nobody in my town plans to give anything to any damn Insurance Companies..Biggest scam artists in the world...
Vote the scumbags out..
KIll the BIll...
Nobody wants it..
hadenufnow 2 years ago
You guys a racists!
This obamacare is run by liberal bigots who want minorities to beg from them.
I don't see rich moviestars wanting to drop their healthcare coverage for obamacare.
was4obama 2 years ago
Are you going to be one of those slapped with a 15000.00 health care tax or go to jail?
was4dem 2 years ago
@was4dem Nope I'll be one of those that pay for affordable Health Care coverage gladly. I don't know who you are listening to but we will not pay a $15K health care tax. Where'd you get that figure from. Think of it $15K? That's ridiculous. You need to watch C-Span or read the Health Care bill on line instead of spreading false and erroneous information. Don't you ever go to a doctor? Take a chill pill and get the facts will ya!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
This is retarded. F**k Universal Heatlh Care
pogoman555 2 years ago
The GOP is stuck in the mud,
...glub glub!
GFY19545 2 years ago
Obama's plan? Pelosi's plan? F*ck the Dems healthcare bill.
fortsmith1 2 years ago
The avg Family of FOUR will shell out a brand New LOADED TOYOTA YARIS EVERY YEAR--gift to obama...
We will just leave the US before we do any kind of donating.....then come back in after repeal kicks back in..
What a bunch of freaks.......
Nobody will collect a penny.....
Kill the bill..
Vote em out..
Nobody wants it..
hadenufnow 2 years ago
@hadenufnow I want it! I want the Health Care Reform bill to pass. Millions of us want this bill to reform the way Health Insurance Providers cover the insured. I want it because once my daughter gets out of college our insurance will not cover her anymore and this bill will provide her affordable coverage. I want it because I want the whole Health Care system to improve! I want it because it is an affordable alternative to what we have now!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
@spacecowboy98 Great, because under the new Health Care Plan, your daughter will be forced to purchase insurance or be fined and or go to jail. Woo Hoo. Socialism sucks man.
Deeked 2 years ago
Sorry Deekhead, but we have her covered under our health insurance plan, which means that our insurance plan will have to cover her till she's 26 even though she isn't going to school anymore, you moron. Stop spreading lies and deceit. This health care bill is made for your benefit as well as mine.
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
and one more thing Dickhead! Yes, she would have to pay for insurance if she wasn't covered by us. And what is wrong with that? Young girls in this country when seeking a job, having health care coverage is high on the list when considering job acceptance. What fucking world do you live in where people are not concerned about their health options? Americans need this Health Care Plan unlike you who has a hole in his head so "no medical attention is necessary"!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
The GOP has been ambushed wiyh the Health care reform bill.Each item removed by GOP , is a hardship for then in next elections.
AEinsteinSr 2 years ago
This video gobble cock.
Kill the bill. Re-elect no incumbents.
cptcosmo 2 years ago
the bill died already.
thank god
tjobrien323 2 years ago
The protesters have been planning to run on the doctors for every conceivable test & ailment "in the name of just good health" with a "side effect" of neutering the illegal mandate forced buy in..This will render the FOUR YEARS of financial backing from the remaining public constituency undoubtedly ripped off.....
........They should at least let those guys OPT OUT so they don't get in people's way that want to see a doctor..
.....Man that sucks..
Kill this Bill.
Vote em out!!
Kill it.
hadenufnow 2 years ago
Is this the shit you think your dues paying members want to see you spending money on? Unions are irrelevant in modern America.
boddingtons25 2 years ago
I'd like to see the union activists go to war on the scumbag lobbyists that are destroying our country as surely as terrorists...
with the scumbags out of the way, a national non-profit health insurance stands a good chance.
PLEASE Google your Senator & Rep and email them. Tell them we want what our industrial peers have, health ins. at reasonable cost, on a NON-PROFIT basis! NO MORE GIVEAWAYS to Big Pharma and INS COMPANIES. Pls write today!
BostonRocker51 2 years ago
The government should create a public option program to private insurance program for poor and low income people. It can be just like welfare to work reform. Give people 5 years to financially get their life together so that they can go get private insurance.
luvs2teach00 2 years ago
seiu has done more to harm workers than any private group could ever do. end the corrupt scum unions that bankrupted the auto industry and the state of california
dsgI0p 2 years ago
Funny, the middle class voted Obummer cuz they wanted healthcare costs to go down. Obama promised that. Really, what we are getting is a massive welfare bill that will provide "free" insurance to Hispanics and MSN and Seattle times releases several articles stating that now, health insurance will skyrocket even further for the mid class and working poor. How is that hope and change coming, folks?
da1073 2 years ago
My hunch is that you are against Obama and rubbing it in towards people who voted for him right? Most people believe that when the healthcare bill passes and get signed, which it will, that they will not be impacted at all. I will not be effected. I am not going to abandon my healthcare with the school system just because there is a public option. Health insurance premiums rise because American live unhealthy, riskier lives, and the cost of living is going up. It won't be because of the gov.
luvs2teach00 2 years ago
I personally think this bill is a stepping stone to single payer which is great!
Intentspunk19 2 years ago
The HC bill is all about getting stupid people onto the system to pay for the soon to be amnestied illegal constituency...Anyone who wants this 2300 page pile of taxes, fees penalties jail intrusion cuts restrictions is surely stupid and needs the HC for their brain transplant.....You won;t get a penny from the likes of me....so screw.....
hadenufnow 2 years ago
You already pay for people who don't have insurance and you already pay for people who are not citizens. When people go to the emergency room, healthcare is provided. Tax dollars go to emergency rooms. This healthcare debate and opposition is all about division in our country. Most people with insurance are against it. Most upper to middle income are against it. Most whites are against it whereas minorities are more for it. It is sad how polarized our nation is. It's class, income, and racial.
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guyNbluejeans 2 years ago
Is it true that if you don't buy healthcare, YOU will go to jail or be fined 2.5 % of you income through the IRS, even if you can't afford it?
was4dem 2 years ago
Is it true that if I made $10,000 per month that paying 2.5% of that or $250 would keep me out of jail? Yes that is true! So if I made like most Americans say $5,000 per month that that would work out to $125/month right? Yes that is true! And if I was poor and made only $2,500 per month or $62 right? Uh huh! And if I were really poor making only $1,000 per month that would be ummm $25/month right? You know even if I'm poor I think I can afford that. Yes that is true!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
I think I want the Public Option. Paying 2.5% is less than what I'm paying presently. I can keep my present healthcare plan unless like my internet plan when Verizon offers me the same thing for less money than AT&T that AT&T lowers their rate plan just to keep me as one of their satisfied customers. So that what real competition is all about,. Electronics industry works the same way VOLUME! What did I pay for that betamax VCR $800 and now DVD players are less than $50 bucks. Cool . . . . .
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
That is all fine and dandy but what happens when you have an operable Cancer that needs to be removed and it takes 8 months to get it done and then it's metastasized? Do you think the Government Insurance will help with the now more expensive surgeries? I have a friend that lives in Canada and this happened to his Mom. He knows now of 11 other cases he has researched and spoke with what he calls the victims. He is a very interesting Man, and is now a Health Care Specialist.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
It's not only the public option that would take care of all and subsequent surgeries but the health care plan is set up for your health plan to cover it also. At what cost? So far the answer is affordable as far as the Public Option is concerned. HR3590 allows you to go shopping and when you apply to a new health plan they cannot deny coverage because of preexisting conditions. And its Republicans that are fiscally irresponsible and leave it to the democrats to have to raise taxes to pay 4 it.
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
What about the law in the bill that says I can not switch private Health Care providers thus eventually railroading me into forced Shitty Care.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
you think the public option will be as good as say Blue Cross? hahahahahahahahaha
you are so stupid.
ttam72 2 years ago
How many democrats does it take to collect the 25 bucks and how much will that cost? of course we need a bigger building to house all these democrats.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Do they go by the gross or net income?
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Except for one thing, I am paying for something I didn't buy!
How do you know if 25.00 is affordable to a poor person? I didn't know they like spending money on something they didn't purchase.
Name something big the govenment runs that isn't about to go bankrupt?
was4dem 2 years ago
Let me see . . . . if I were poor and they said that this operation would cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars because I neglected to exercise preventative health care because I don't have insurance but because of the Health Care Bill I would only have to cough up $25?
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
seiu
socialist employees international union
pdelacruz1 2 years ago
Rupert Murdoch, the foreigner (Australian) who owns Fox has done everything he can to destroy American Politics, including the Health Care discussion, and is laughing all the way to the bank with his Health Care industry fat-cat pals. All American taxpayers deserve the best value in Healthcare their collective bargaining power- The Public Option- can get them. THAT'S FREEDOM! TAXPAYERS GETTING THE SAME ADVANTAGES AS SHAREHOLDERS! The current Health Care System is just
Fox's Corporate Facism
jayscott49 2 years ago
SEUI ....are you still beating up protesters?
-- RAW
rightarmofwyoming 2 years ago
yeah sorry but you cant make 2 pple look like the many that was at the 912 project, good try though :) peace out..lol
EricasPhotography 2 years ago
Leftists plan is to CONTROL the healthcare system. Say if you needed medical attention, Government doctors will ask; "do you own a weapon?" (guns) When you answered "yes" then they will run a medical questions such as mental disorder and then they will have a reason to take a required medical attention such as pshycological medical attention just because you owned a gun(s), and might actually require you to give up your weapon(s). the next move from big government.
macdogq 2 years ago
Currently, Private Health Care Corporations CONTROL the healthcare system. Taxpayers negotiating rates through a Public Option will END CONTROL and make these companies compete to provide the best value for the least money, instead of the least value for the most money they've been reaming taxpayers with for decades. The Public Option = ENDING CONTROL, not creating it.
jayscott49 2 years ago
The only way to make this right is to have a free market reform. This require to remove all Washington lobbyist. But reason politicans will not remove lobbyist is because the capaign contributions politicans receive while running for candidacy office. This is both republican and Democrats alike. Bur government control is a fascists kind of government suchas Cuba, and Vennesuala.
macdogq 2 years ago
So don't answer yes. I know pretty scary stuff... this or something close to this is in the future.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
If you think Health care is expensive now. Wait til it is free.
The Post office will be losing over 7 Billion this year. Hmm? I guess they know what they are doing. NOT! Wake up!
larryrp66 2 years ago 3
Explain why taxpayers should have less leverage to negotiate the best value in health care they can get than shareholders in Health Care / Pharmaceutical corporations do?
btw, are you suggesting the Post Office should not have been created and should be shut down? Medicare? Social Security? The Military? And?
jayscott49 2 years ago
Are you suggesting that public services should 'break even' as profit centers for the gov't?
jayscott49 2 years ago
Primary example of a Government trying to be in Business and falling behind in Technology thus getting the crap beat out of them by their competitors (Real Business) where People have a personal steak. The Government should Sell the US postal Service to a Competitor and sell most of the employees with them.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
I don't want to live in a Corpocracy, thanks, the private sector (Banking, Health Car, Automotive) have repeatedly FAILED to meet taxpayer expectations. You want to go with corporation/shareholder rights over citizen/taxpayer's rights, fine, I don't. I want a true free market with taxpayers leveraging deals like the corporations already do to provided the most value for the least cost. Or is that a special privilege only Corporations should get?
jayscott49 2 years ago
Your obviously not in Business for your self. You keep referring to big Corporations that is about 1 or 2 percent of the Corporate world. What about the rest of us 98% I'm incorporated I employee 83 fine people I sadly enough had to weed through 300 or so to find this 83. This to me is Smoke and mirrors for other laws that wont hit the news because of this health care debate. Laws that will damper my freedoms and will keep me down as a Business Man. OBAMA care is a Shake Down...nothing more.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Another Law that will go in affect if your Democrats have their way, you will have to pay 75% inheritance tax What the fuck is this. we our Family my Dad, me have already paid taxes on this money what we do with is is our Business not that of a Constitution stomping Government. It's crushing the American Dream an nothing more. Do you think that the Rockefeller family will have to pay this? Remember this tax proposed is linked to real estate as well. The House left behind will be reassessed.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Ohh My Company donates close to 65K per year to Various Charities, But not this year I told them to ask Obama for it because he promised to help them so now I am purchasing a new piece of semi needed tax deductible equipment instead. We will see what happens to various Charities as soon as millions of guys like me stop donating.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
I meet all my Taxpayer obligations or I go to Jail. People like me make up the other 98% of the Corporate world so why elect a Governing body that says I'm bad... some how linking me top 2% sound kind of like Racism. Again we the People need to enforce more Over Sight to these top Companies. Big Companies should fail the market will absorb most of the Customers and employees, smaller Companies will form to service new out in the cold Customers. Obama and Bush were stupid to grant bail outs.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
It's a public 'option', you know, 'optional', if you don't want it keep what you have or pick something else.
Why should taxpayers have less leverage negotiating with pharmaceutical companies and heath care providers than the shareholders in health insurance companies have?
Why should taxpayers give away, as we have been doing, the right to exploit the free market to get the greatest value for the least cost buy leveraging our collective bargaining power?
PASS THE PUBLIC OPTION NOW!
jayscott49 2 years ago
but private insurance will be highly taxed . witch in turn will cause rates to go up.
Then I won't be able to afford my insurance . Thus putting me on the Public option that I do not want.
THIS FUCKING PLAN SUCKS ASS
ttam72 2 years ago
You can't spell "which - 'witch'" and you also can't understand how the health care reform is designed to "HELP" not hurt you and I. And you obviously don't understand how the 'Public Option' can keep the insurance companies making millions of dollars and crippling our nation's debt in line by forcing them to compete. But you sure know how to yell and scream obscenities like countless others protesting this health reform and for what? Stop listening to Rush, GB, Bill O and the Fox news network!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
Why not allow people to buy insurance over state lines? That would create competition. Or how about tort reform?
ok you can go back to watching MSNBC Keith Oberman and Rachel Maddow are your gods.
ttam72 2 years ago
You truly want to be taken care of don't you? Bill O has more FACTS! in one show than CNN and NY Times has in a Week. Obama Spend FACT!: 5 times or more than Bush did in his whole term. (I don't happen to like Bush but...) Do you know where the Money is? Democrats think we will get the Money back but mark my words on this day "We will be lucky to get 1/3 of what Obama spent because of how he spent it. "Obama care will kill you early!" Maybe Obama care is good after all!
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Facts? Maybe fabrications. But not facts. Maybe twisting what he thinks is truth but not facts. Here's a fact you didn't see coming, Of the 12 Trillion dollars that we're in the hole for Obama is responsible for a Trillion and a half. Bill Clinton left Bush a 3 Trillion dollar surplus when he left office. In 6 month Bush squandered that and put us in the hole by 6 Trillion dollars and that was before 9/11. The republicans are fiscally irresponsible while the Democrats clean up their debts. FACT!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
I like the way he corners People with a simple question and they can't answer it because they are Guilty. When he interviewed Barney Frank and asked him if he told the American people that the Housing Market was Strong which he knew at the time it was falling apart thus suckering people out of billions. He couldn't answer it even though Bill O was holding a article written by Barney Frank proving this.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
I think he does bend things to his favor but at least he asks the correct questions he does expose people for what they are by asking very direct questions. Juicy two sided debates for the most part don't exist on CNN or they just purposely fail to report it. I would hardly say that Democrats clean up anything but rather infect areas that don't need it and fail to infect areas that do. Some Republicans are guilt of this as well. Bush does need cleaning up after but not by more Government.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Your facts are all wrong. It never ceases to amaze me how liberal ideologues make up facts to support their beliefs. Even the most outrageous numbers claimed by anyone don't begin to approach the suggestion that Clinton left office with a $3 trillion surplus.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).
nikkowinter 2 years ago
While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Verifying this is as simple as accessing the U.S. National Treasury website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained. Considering the government's fiscal year ends on the last day of September each year, and considering Clinton's budget proposal in 1993 took effect in October 1993 and concluded September 1994 (FY1994), here's the national debt at the end of each year of Clinton Budgets:
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Bill O is a pimp working for the foreigner pimp Rupert Murdoch who bought his US citizenship so he could own Fox News and make a fortune praying on the fears of Americans while destroying the Republican Party, now the 'Foxpublicans', and laughing all the way to the bank with his Health Care Industry fat cat pals. Let's start immigration reform by shipping Murdoch back where he came from.
jayscott49 2 years ago
The Union can now come into my Company of Happy Employees and Unionize them? Health care etc. There is no way that a Government run Health care will beet what they have now no way. This Party will force me to lay off workers. Jayscott49 you truly want to stomp on our Constitution? More oversight yes but let us go we can do Great things for this Country.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
If you're so confident that 'There is no way that a Government run Health care will beet what they have now no way', prove it! Let's road-test the Public Option and see what happens? Would the stock market have managed peoples retirement accounts better than Social Security has? In Switzerland they have a Public Option and Private Health Care Companies, all providing services for the same regulated prices, and the administrative costs are 5.5% vs 30% in US Health Care companies now.
jayscott49 2 years ago
How long does it take to see a Health care professional in Switzerland?
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Obama care will kill people early because this is what it is Designed for. Democrats need to be taken care of because they are usually more stupid, unhealthy, lazy, generally like to take the back seat and then complain about the out come, and they like to play victim. They all want everyone to be taken care of but when it comes time to pay up they cheat, then turn Blue dog which takes us no where. Is there a successfully run anything the Democrats are in charge of? I'm think I hate them!
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Those damn democrats! Why can't they be just like us Republicans just say no to everything that benefitsl all Americans. The richest country in the world is rich because us Republicans like to take advantage of those stupid, unhealthy and lazy Democrats because we do smart things like support Kenneth Lay of Enron. Uh, decide to go into Iraq instead of Afghanistan? Oh yeah, we Republicans lied about weapons of mass destruction too. Wasn't it cool how the economy crumbled? REPUBLICANS ROCK!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
Can you name anything and I mean anything that is primarily run by Democrats IE. a State, County, City, Business, etc. that has a surplus of cash? and that isn't falling on it's face. Fact: The Democrats spend an average of 4 dollars for every one distributed. Democrats don't give a Shit about the poor are you kidding. All democratic States have the highest unemployment rates? As to Afghanistan about 24 or more Countries say that this is the terrorist hub. not just us. Enron? WTF?
nikkowinter 2 years ago
nikko? when President Clinton left office do you know that he left Bush with a 3 trillion dollar surplus? Trillion dollars not billions of dollars. Trillion! And within 6 months Bush a Republican squandered that 3 trillion and he set us back 6 Trillion dollars! This was all before 9/11 hit! Bush put us in a 6 trillion dollar deficit before 9/11 hit and he wasn't even in office for 9 months. To date Obama has only set us back about a Trillion and a half because of your Republican president. Hmmm
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
Ohh and by the way nikko, the Govenor in California the Schwartzenegger has huge problems juggling his debts. Yeah, he's a Republican right? Republicans Rock!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
Still responding to the 1st on but this one is easy did you know that Grey Davis (DEMOCRAT!) sold us down the road for many years to the Unions and Power Companies IE ENRON despite being warned by some of the smartest Businessmen in California. This is what the Terminator signed on for. They will end up with my Wife retirement as well. Oh and all the Fucking Money is going to the education and medical needs for over 15 million illegals primary run by Democrats! whom all work for Cash in LA
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Illegal immigrants is a sore spot for me too. I don't know what we should do but I agree with you that is a problem that will bite us in the butt if we don't address that soon. But we need to address the economy, the health care reform is part of that. Unemployment needs to also be addressed and Obama is on it if only this War in Afghanistan wasn't necessary. But nikko I hear you. I believe we want the same things we are just on opposite sides of the fence as to how it'll get worked out. Peace!
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
Dude go take a pill either that or pull your head out of HUSSEINS ass youre brain is low on oxygen based on your delusions
HDNKR 2 years ago
Schwartzenegger is a RINO
ttam72 2 years ago
Your right that's why I am and Independent. The 547 (?) members in Congress should be removed for their failure to oversight. Bush for one what a fucking piece of work he is. He was told over and over that we needed more Over site in the upper teared Financial Markets and Fail to do so. Barney was busy "Blowing Politicians" and telling the American People that the Housing Market was Strong while holding the real facts in his hand. At the same time investing in the Failure of Wall Street.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
Barny Frank also put the Heat on Lenders to make loans to the less fortunate Black Community which being Red, Yellow, Black or White, could never afford or have any business getting into. Barny Frank indirectly helped with Predatory lending when he new the Markets were crashing. Again no Over Site. The Reason Clinton Had a Surplus is because of Reaganomics? And our Militery was rather week by the end of his term but to Blame Republicans partially correct. "This too big to fail motto"isBS
nikkowinter 2 years ago
the reason clinton had the 3 trillion dollar surplus is because he had Greenspan and Larry Summers recommending that he bring down our debt. If you listened to his speeches his goal always was to leave the US in better shape for the next generation. To achieve the surplus he closed a lot of military bases and trimmed government waste. Clinton also tried and failed to get Bin Ladin. Bush ignored Richard Clark and fired him because R Clark kept insisting that Bush go to Afghanistan.
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
We had Saddam on a bridge ready to pull the trigger and Clinton said no. I do agree with you about the top Republicans were a finance nightmare. I didn't like or vote for Clinton but I did end up liking him in the end... He did sell targeting secrets but he did come over to the middle by the end. No big the Bush admin sold weapons to all kinds of groups that kill. I personally think this President has a very different agenda than Clinton.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
It is very interesting how you didn't like or vote for Clinton but in the ednd you started to like him. Clinton just like Obama was subject to the harsh rhetoric of the extreme right radical republican that poisoned and infected his image. If you take out the Lewinski factor he was a great President. Obama like Clinton suffers from the same fate because we have people like Rush, GB, Bill O, Lou Dobbs and the Fox Network seem to enjoy suppressing anything pro-democrat.
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
Obama is doing a great job. And the decisions tht he's made against all conventional wisdom is begining to yield real and incremental positive results. Yes, spending is out of control but absolutely necessary to prop up the financial sector and keep jobs from shedding. The Health Care Reform is a necessary element of the economy and addressing the national as well as corporate debt. The anti-Obama rhetoric is distracting from getting Americans on board to help move this country forward.
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
You Nikko are an open minded person. It just took you too long to realize that Clinton actually had genuinely good intentions and he just like Obama are making all good attempts to do a good job for us Americans. Both Clinton and Obama take their job very seriously. If you listen to Obama whenever he speaks you will get a feel for his heart. Listen to someone else about Obama and its rumor. Seriously pay attention to what Obama says not what others say about him. I hope he changes your mind.
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
when President Clinton left office do you know that he left Bush with a 3 trillion dollar surplus? FALSE.
do you just make shit up to support your retarded way of thinking?
ttam72 2 years ago
There were only 4 original pages of Constitution of the United States of America, at the present it is less than 20 pages. Why is it that a document this size can & has ran the most powerful country in the world but the Dems say that we need a Bill that is over 2,000 pages to run health care? This makes no sense at all.
sadieaugust 2 years ago 2
My point is that The Constitution of the United States of America was written with honesty and it was direct to the point with nothing to hide. Every American could read it and every American was aware of what it would take to run this country.
The Health Care Bill the Democrats are trying to ram down our throats is not direct and to the point and too much can be hidden within 2,000 pages of legal mumbo jumbo that not every American can understand.
sadieaugust 2 years ago 2
You have a point there! Yeah, why are they trying to ram this Health Care Reform bill down our throats? What are they trying to hide in these 2,000 pages of legal mumbo jump we can't understand? Hmmmm, should maybe we read it anyways just to see what they are up to. Yeah, let's read it first and see if we can make heads or tails of it. Let's make up our own minds and take our time to understand it thoroughly. Is it really as bad as we think? What's the public option all about anyway? Hmmm . .
spacecowboy98 2 years ago
So your saying don't read it?
nikkowinter 2 years ago
evil is pretty predictable and always has been !
stonerj0e 2 years ago
Pathetic, is this one of those phantom millions of jobs saved or created? Figures. My tax dollars at work.
landluvver 2 years ago 2
"Yes, we are above you, and you should listen to us. We are the educated, elite, secular humanists, who REALLY know what's good for you." ....They are so blind in their smug conceit, they don't realize how this video exposes them for the frauds they really are.
LHZZ12MM 2 years ago 2
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tigerjames88 2 years ago
"Look at all the people here" ... what a complete lie vs. a million people marching on Washington (without one arrest) ... whoever created this video is a huge huge liar
BellyButtonQuiz 2 years ago 6
SEIU lies again, how predictable.
bobjon38 2 years ago 5
here is my suggestion a little harsh but it can be done if we intend on stopping the government from marking our people and the nwo we need to act now
watch my video called america wake up and pass it along to everyone
all we need to do is put a start date on the calender preferably 30 days from now after the world
on the internet knows about it then stop em shut the us down and stay home till we get the changes from the govt they will at this point have no choice but to make changes
insidethe222 2 years ago
I gave this video 1 star
TheMetalPerson 2 years ago 2
Bite me, fools. Health care, as proposed, would charge someone making 400% over the federal poverty level a yearly premium of 12% of their income with a 30% deductible. Suck on THAT, Pelosiheads
AkScoochy 2 years ago 2
how lame
ferdnerkel 2 years ago 4
Union goons on teh intertubez....
Swiftee4utube 2 years ago 3
Chris is that you?
nikkowinter 2 years ago
WOW! ....How utterly juvenile.
Lbfent2 2 years ago 2
The current Democratic Party leadership is tainted by corruption, and the liberals among us are supporting Socialists with their agendas based on implementing Fascist, Marxist and Communist political doctrines within our own government. These Socialists are clearly a threat to everything we hold sacred in America, and they are gaining evermore control over our Democratic Party, our Nation, and the American people.
geofiles 2 years ago 6
MORONS!!! You know little of representing the other side, those who are opposed to financial enslavement of the people to government, especially under this socialized health care plan. Your mockery is utterly despised!!!!!
algallego 2 years ago 5
this is quite possibly the worst video on youtube, i want my 2 minutes and 48 seconds back, you proved absolutely nothing in this video other than the fact that you have no idea what is actually in this so called "health care reform" bill, this is some weaakkk shit
dotey10 2 years ago 5
What a joke. Where are the purple shirts in this video? Let's "distort" the truth to shove through socialized medicine. This video is an absolute joke, like the joke that's in the White House. Welcome back, carter!
dgray72 2 years ago 6
the left say that certain agents are working people up into a frenzy with scare tactics, and then they say, nobody is in a frenzy everyone wants the obama plan. Which is it? The truth is definitely not this video. People are worked up and scared and their concerns should be countered with facts and information, not mockery. I'm currently in favor of the plan, but i find this video filthy and offensive to the cause.
puffmouse 2 years ago 2
we see the first look at whats in this health scare bill. so anyone that still believes obama gives a shit about anyone is a fool. i advise anyone that sees seiu thugs on their block, to call the police. that goes for acorn, or any other name they hide behind. i mean what kind of black people would use and sell out there own kind. i'm looking for unity. any brothers that want to posse up, come aboard, in the end we will make the REAL CHANGE, we'll be equal,and free ourselves from their prison.
2skullscrushing 2 years ago 4
LOL what a waste of my time to have watched this vid, you folks on the left are so full of crap, you all make me sick, you will be the downfall of this great nation, get the hell out .
catfishen4fun 2 years ago 3
SEUI dues-paid propaganda. What a bunch of tools...and I was a union member...thank god they weren't like these dicks.
mondoreb 2 years ago 2
So am I to understand that the same people that made this video are the same SEIU thugs that assaulted a man in St. Louis?
Stay classy, big union bullies!
besellers56065 2 years ago
The so called 'assaulted man' had assaulted a preacher first. If he had a case against the Union 'thugs', WHY did he drop all charges?
MoDans 2 years ago
They probably threaten him.
nikkowinter 2 years ago
I don't see 100,000 people protesting to have the health care go through? These guys need to pull there heads out of there ass and really do there research on what is going on in other countries that have Universal health care?
4x4gpyj 2 years ago
Oh, he's just trying to justify the fact that he voted for the guy, and doesn't want to look stupid... and then he spoke. HA Seriously, this is not even close to the best they can do! You're institutionalized
whtrepblcn 2 years ago
The Korporate Nazi like regime that runs it have used fear of death and sickness for decades. I remember being in shithole sweatshops and wanting to quit. The first thing my slavish parental types would ask in utter horror is, "Where will you get insurance?" It has been used to keep people in bondage, this private insurance. It is dispensed like an indulgence from the dripping yap of a sucking monster. The AIG types are just threatened now. I care little for any of them, to little at all.:)
distressed7 2 years ago
The majority of people are against a public "option" because the intent isn't for it to be an "option" at all; the intent is to force government run healthcare down the throats of citizens who don't want it.
DavidGigan 2 years ago
No insurance? Nancy will send you to jail:
H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax. [page 1]
The penalty:
• Section 7203 misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year
ufbret 2 years ago
way to take one exert from a source just to condemm an entire idea. dud u learn that in church? look the plan is not perfect but ignorant people like you are so afraid of Socialism you see it everywhere. This is the best we can do now and By the way The Post office is socialized and FedEx and UPS are seeing record profits so this plan can work. but America needs a Universal HealthCare System whats wrong everyone chipping in for the betterment of society or is that unAmerican?
iamsean90 2 years ago
Next time you you respond, do so without such laughable logical fallacies....your ad hominem attacks are childish at best.
WHy is the "best that we can do right now" mean that insurance is mantled upon Americans who choose not to have it, and if you choose not to have it becasue you simply DONT NEED IT, you can be penalized $25k or 12 mos. in jail? Best we can do? The senate took that verbage out of their bill; why didnt the House? USPS, seriously??? Get an education, please.
ufbret 2 years ago 2
once again you cleverly left out that this bill will make it illeagal for the insurance companies to drop your coverage for preexisting conditions or waterdown your coverage when you get sick and the in the bill there is a waiver that if you do not want insurance you sign the waiver and are not subject to fines or jailtime by forfiting treatment if you think you DONT NEED IT. Universal healthcare is the only solution but the idea of helping the sick dosent exist in America
iamsean90 2 years ago
This is one great obig pitiful attempt at a red herring....I will wait why you look it up.
Address once more, err scrath that, youve never addressed this: why is it consitutional to force an individual to purchase insurance in the event they dont want it? Should we now make it mandatory for those who do not drive to purchase car insurance? Youre actually better at just calling people ignorant and ridiculing their religion.....you simply can not keep up logically. Take a course or three.
ufbret 2 years ago 2
Pay attention This plan is not perfect Universal Healthcare is what we should have. that being said when Healthcare lobbyist outnumber politicians 4:1 any law that prevents them from droping your covereage when you get sick or denying care for any of the other arbitrary reasons is progress. and further more if you do not want to by health insurance cuz u think you dont need ityou can sign a waiver under this plan so hospitals dont have to treat you. thus making you exemt from the penalties. DICK
iamsean90 2 years ago
This is not a logical argument: its the best thing to do so we should do it. This argument is so elementary that I dont even think it meets the standard of a logical fallacy. The waiver has serious limitations, based on income...you have to be below 18k in income for the waiver. Keep with the name calling, its really the only advancement to your argument that makes any sense (for a six yeaqr old).
ufbret 2 years ago
LAME
MrBullfrog9876 2 years ago
Whats the confusion all about? The majority want a public option. These bitter angry mobsters will always be angry about something.
clubindiana4 2 years ago
Yes, I work for these same types. One has a wife and 5 mistresses, and needs to keep them in different homes. A complete amoral money worshipper from hell. Obviously, he can provide the best baby killers money can buy if his rubber blows. I'd love to see his firm hit by taxes to pay for the people he's fucked along with his hired sharks. Seriously. Good. Tax 'em dead. Tax him and others like him into the dirt. It'll be good when judgement falls deep into their hidden accounts. HealthCareNOW.
distressed7 2 years ago
What isn't funny: It will be so nice when a person brings their sick daughter for treatment and is confronted with a DMV-style waiting room an SEIU employee behind a thick pane of glass, who is more intent on telling a parent what regulations govern the "treatment" that a child is entitled too. When the parent explains that the current treatment isn't working an an alternative may work better, the SEIU employee scurries off for lunch.
DavidGigan 2 years ago
The alternative is much easier.......dead children don't cause all that many problems.
clubindiana4 2 years ago
pretty lame
barneysfrank 2 years ago
The only thing I liked about this video was the credits for "Produced by". Vaguely Qualified Productions.
hahahahah
SEIU? go figure.
csgforme 2 years ago
It's funny, but lame! It's the best the Socialists can do. Can't accurately represent what is being offered. Obamacare doesn't cover all America. Obamacare covers his new Amerika.
disciplerami 2 years ago
Were you people trying to make a point? Other than how warped you are by our society.
Bumbler19 2 years ago
Yes. . . we are trying to make the point that Obama is a self proclaimed Socialist, and we want him out of office. . . the sooner the better.
geofiles 2 years ago
You might benefit from a little bit of higher education. Our country has been a combination of socialist and capitalist principals for over a hundred years. Its been established over and over that 100% capitalism does not work. Should we throw out the anti-trust laws? Shut down the libraries? Close public schools?
clubindiana4 2 years ago
Our society is not, nor has ever been "100% capitalist" in the sense that there is a safety net provided for those in the greatest need to meet those needs or regulation against unbridled corporate interests.
The difference: Obama's socialism isn't a "safety net" for a few, it creates a "hammock" for many - forcing a massive expansion of government that saps personal drive, innovation, productivity - and vastly increases power of Washington at the expense of State rights and individual rights.
DavidGigan 2 years ago
Ohhhhhhh! You guys took off you purple coats long enough to make a video.
No one buys it. We'll fight for your liberty as well, despite your spite.
Wait..... don't hit me!
itssoEC 2 years ago
Oh wait I am talking on the SEIU, well hello thugs. Do nothing money grabbing lobbying assholes
samuils 2 years ago
And as far as this video goes TY for lying or ignoring the opposition reform proposal. thank you for being ignorant and trying to present ignorance to the people
samuils 2 years ago
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist Nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, former six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.
geofiles 2 years ago
Do you know how many times what you just said has been said? Have you looked the word "socialism" up in the dictionary and then thought about how many capitalisic countries turned socialistic? Your argument is so silly!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
phillipmarch22 Not a single Capitalist country went socialist willingly. And please dont bring up hybrids, as they are not socialist. I will help you with definitions so you can rethink your statement
Socialist = A government owned and operated industries ( zero free markets)
Before you call it communism
Communism- People owned industries as a collective with ought any currency, and are being provided by a collective as based on their needs
samuils 2 years ago
You don't see the difference. . . Unlike other countries, we became the greatest Nation in the world because we don't have socialism. That is, until now.. . and about any fool can see what it's doing to our Nation.
geofiles 2 years ago 2
Oh, I see the difference clearly. In countries with socialized medicine, the doctors and hospitals are run by the goverment.. Even if we went to single payer, the hospitals, doctors, and pharma would be private. Please do your research! Thanks!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
I see who you follow in politics, for you would agree with . . . National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined.
Gold is not neccesary. I have no interest in gold. We will build a solid state, without an ounce of gold behind it.
National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a new world order.
Society's needs come before the individual's needs.
The above quotes are from Adolf Hitler, but doesn't sound like Obama.
geofiles 2 years ago
OMG, I am 50 years old and do you know how many times I have heard the same bullshit about t