We strive to follow Jesus. It's as simple as that. If we have faith we will repent. If perfect obedience was required 100% of the time then we would all be damned and there would be no need of a savior. Just take some of the scriptures such as "Be ye therefore perfect" or "go and sin no more". Someone can use thise passages and claim that all Christians have an "impossible gospel". Yes, 19 yr old Missionaries can be unprepared for some questions. You have proven that at least.
@keaukila- You would need no Church? Wow, that is a VERY telling statement. Are you really saying that since you are not perfect and you are with sin, then you do need a Church? Whatever happened to needing Jesus?
You crack me up! Short and to the point!! Right on! Next question. So if I keep all of the commandments all of the time we have not sinned. Why did Jesus offer himself as propitiation for our sins? It makes Jesus sound like a self-destructive drama king.
We have to strive faithfully keep the commandments to the best of our ability. God knows it's not possible for us to keep all the commandments all the time.
We have to be doing our best to follow the commandments of God and to turn away from the sin for which we have asked Him to forgive us. That is what exactly what the Bible says. Is our salvation contingent on perfection? Of course not, only Jesus is perfect. Are we to emulate Him to the best of our ability? Of course. Christianity IS NOT a religion of repent on Sunday, do what you want all week, then repent on Sunday again. That makes a mockery of His atonement and the cross.
Offender for a word! What do you think the purpose of the Sacrament is? We know very well that we "fall" still, but we are to go forward in faith never waving, enduring to the end, and then God's Grace is sufficient.
Another thing, it's also shameful of you to waste LDS missionary's time when they aren't experienced apologists who know how to respond to your misrepresentations and attacks. Them not knowing how to provide an immediate answer just shows that you are a bully, nothing more.
Haha, poor missionaries, it's just in the wording that they got confused. I would say no to that last question, mormon doctrine is very contextual and circumstantial especially when it comes to repentance, although were not perfect, both you and god at the end of the day (by this I mean, the time when you repent) must clearly understand that you did everything reasonably possible for an imperfect mortal attempting to achieve perfection. if you stumble, and come back honestly, its ok to repent.
If you want to ask questions like that you can ask me directly on my youtube mail box. But if you want to do it this way sure. I welcome any questions that are not of Anti Mormon relation. What I mean by Anti degrade, depose of, bring down, or try to hinder the Mormon religion. If you try asking me questions that are Anti do it right here if you do it in my mail box I will just delete them.
@awolLDSasap Whats wrong with copy and paste people always copy and paste Anti Mormon here? Why can they copy and paste I can not? Or our you biased towards Mormons? I thought we were supposed to love all people not but hate between each other?
@BOON70 I don't have a problem with copy and paste. When you copy and paste relentlessly page after page from the church website in becomes tiresome. I don't hate people. I hate lies and deception. I'm not the one that started calling names either. Every lds member I have met can't post 1 single comment without calling me a disparaging name.
@awolLDSasap Well it doesn't help when u call me " Bloggerhea" but u forgot the d. Disparaging means tending to belittle or bring reproach upon dictionary com. Welcome to my life. I am always told I am a Satan worship and a sacrifice animals and falsely accused of things. In fact I have right now some person that says there Catholic who has made all manner of threats upon me sending me messages everyday. They say its okay because I am Mormon or a Satan worshiper. When did Christ make
@awolLDSasap Well it doesn't help when u call me " Bloggerhea" but u forgot the d. Disparaging means tending to belittle or bring reproach upon dictionary com. Welcome to my life. I am always told I am a Satan worship and a sacrifice animals and falsely accused of things. In fact I have right now some person that says there Catholic who has made all manner of threats upon me sending me messages everyday. They say its okay because I am Mormon or a Satan worshiper. When did Christ make
@awolLDSasap Well it doesn't help when u call me " Bloggerhea" but u forgot the d. Disparaging means tending to belittle or bring reproach upon dictionary com. Welcome to my life. I am always told I am a Satan worship and a sacrifice animals and falsely accused of things. In fact I have right now some person that says there Catholic who has made all manner of threats upon me sending me messages everyday. They say its okay because I am Mormon or a Satan worshiper. When did Christ make
@awolLDSasap threats towards anyone. The only thing he ever did was warn them of the danger that will come if they do not change their ways. Just like any loving person would. When he said to Peter to go away because he had an evil spirit Christ was only defending himself he was not trying to threaten Peter.
@BOON70 I don't believe threats against any person are helpfull or right. Many lds members believe that threats against the church are personal threats. They're not.
@awolLDSasap Well depends on how you look at it. When you say they worship a man and they worship Satan. Does that open them to you? More like they build up a wall. Saying that you believe the Book of Mormon is incorrect is okay, but going to a Mormon and saying everyone that believe in the Book of Mormon is going to hell. Aren't you speaking of all their friends too? Aren't we supposed to have open hearts towards every person?
Good question on wither we should keep the commandments all the time. What the missionaries should of said is "try to keep all the commandments all the time". We all know that we are not perfect but Christ asked us to be. As we all know we fall short. As long as we are striving are best towards what God would want us to be. We will continue on the upward stride till we are perfect in this life and the life to come. I like your question. Its not the typical Anti Mormon question.
I can see why this guy is upset. If you are not able to follow the teachings of Christ and you don't want to listen to the teachings found in the holy bible. I guess when you see people that are following the holy bible and Christ. Well i suppose some people get offended by this and go a little nuts. Like this guy. It got to be rough for him watching others accomplish what he cannot.
Ok let's start this over Jake and I'll start with a question b/c I know thaty ou can answer this for yourself: Was it good or bad for Abraham and Solomon and countless others to practice polygamy?
You know I have been on video one asking this video guy lots of questions but he hasn't answered one? Anyways I am a Mormon not all Mormons most avoid it because the spirit of contention is of the devil in the Book of Mormon. When speaking of polygamy it depends. Were they directed by God to do it or not? You will find that during the time of polygamy of Mormons they was more of it being practiced outside of the Mormon religion then in the Mormon religion.
The women that were in polygamy in the Mormon knew full well what they were getting into. The women were also treated with respect. You can also find those of other faiths other than Mormon that will say that if polygamy was to ever be practiced its the way the Mormons do it. The main purpose of polygamy was to bring as many of Gods children in to the Gospel of truth and light. How does God bring his children to Earth through birth.
So to increase that opportunity to Gods children, God brought about polygamy. Its not the first time either we do know for a fact that Abraham and Solomon practice it. Some Antis will say Solomon was evil but what about Abraham? To marry another woman in the Mormon faith your first wife and if had other they had to agree with you take on another wife. Then they had to meet hard qualifications then be interviewed by a series of church officials.
Many did not pass and some did. Not all Mormons practiced polygamy if you look it up only a chosen few. Just as Abraham was chosen to do so, but not every one.
The only reason why I answer the questions from what I know I am okay as long as don't get upset or mad. I will say though after answer Anti Mormon questions for so many years. It get tiresome and boring because they have the same questions over and over again. Sometimes they word it different too. In my opinion there like a bunch of monkeys on a stage jumping around having the same play over and over.
Jake I really want to apologize to you. Don't let my unholy example of calling you names be the foundation for every "Mormon" you meet. I let myself go you could say and let the flesh get to me. I'm not apologizing in behalf of any other member of my church. I'm apologizing in behalf of my negativity alone. I should've been humble through the comments made but instead decided upon a harsh course of action. I hope you can forgive the wrongs I've spoken to you. I'm sorry man.
okay the context of what he is saying is all the commandments require obediance. I believe that, as shristians we sin everyday and when the lord recognizes our efforts to stay away from the sin that befalls us and keeps us from keeping the commandment that we must keep. IF that's not doctrine to "christians" Than I'm glad I'm not protestan. but I wonder about my protestan.
Well, take alook around you. How important is marriage to you? Do you see the people keeping their marriages together now? It goes back to the old saying if we can't keep it together with one wife than why would we have more than one. Poly gamy is a soft tough subject but with an open mind anybody can understand it.
Why does it have to be "good or evil"? Just because something isn't allowed by God doesn't mean it's evil. Sometimes something is a sin b/c it's unnecessary and God has said no. Polygamy had its place. It is not "evil." It's like sex with a married couple. Out in public in front of everyone it is a desecration of sacred things. But in the bedroom, i.e. the time and place for it, it's not only appropriate but commanded. After all, we are commanded to "multiply and replenish the earth."
No I never said it was ever evil. I never said I don't know. You are putting words in my mouth & distorting what I've said, intentional or not. Polygamy is a heavenly principle so therefore it is good. Polygamy will always be good b/c it comes from above. However, to practice it when commanded otherwise is evil. Polygamy is never therefore bad but there is a difference between the principle and the practice. Is the principle itself bad? No. Is the practice bad? Only when God says "Don't do it."
Sorry to sound accusing Jake. I should've stated that differently. & the LDS position is that the principle of polygamy is not evil but the practice of it is sinful since God has now said that it should be discontinued. And to answer the 2nd question it depends on whether or not one was commanded to be polygamous. It was only according to revelation that one practiced it. You have to understand it was practiced by around 3% of the church. People make it bigger than it really was w/ our religion.
You're not getting it Jake. Is the law of Moses evil? No. Is it sinful to live it now? Of course. We no longer sacrifice animals b/c it's been fulfilled. We're no longer commanded to do it, rather we are commanded NOT to do it. So it is with polygamy. It had its place and was a holy practice at one time. Now it is a sinful practice b/c Christ has fulfilled all. The principle and the practice are two different things. I know you're able to comprehend this. Just think about it. The concept is holy
b/c of the reason it was established at the time. But there is a new God given reason NOT to live it. All of what I've spoken applies to polygamy. Concerning this the Book of Mormon says "For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; OTHERWISE they shall hearken unto these things." It doesn't get much plainer than that.
Ok are you even reading anything I've said? AGAIN, let's look at the Law of Moses. "Principle: a rule or code of conduct." Tell me, Jake. Was the Law of Moses an evil principle? It was at one point commanded by God. At what point does something that was formerly a heavenly (holy) principle become a principle of the devil (evil)? As far as I'm aware it was instituted of God but has since become unnecessary making the practice of such things a sin but the principle still a heavenly thing.
You ask about principles and then apply that to laws. 'Do not murder' is a law, not a principle. At no point does it become okay to murder. However, a principle is not a law.
The principle, or reason behind its institution, was to show the stiffnecked and hard hearted ways of the Israelites a type for Jesus Christ. Since Christ has now come and fulfilled the law we no longer need animal sacrifice and indeed one could even say that it is an evil PRACTICE since God has said to stop but the PRINCIPLE of the Law of Moses was to lead the Israelites to God and understand the coming of Christ so the principle remains holy but the practice unholy. It's not hard to get...
"So again I ask you, the principle or the practice?"
You say that the LDS are to no longer practice polygamy, but they still practice polygamy. A man can, according to LDS doctrine, get sealed to multiple women for eternity.
You're creating scenarios that have nothing to do w/ what i've said. And you are the epitome of those who are ignorant b/c they research research instead of researching what they should. the FLDS practice polygamy. You'll never find a member of the LDS faith that practices such that hasn't been excommunicated or is currently a member.
And YOU should research more before you open your mouth and continue to make yourself look like a gossipy high schooler. No, the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple women. Try reading official declaration 1 in the D&C.
Where in the heck did I even hint at in eternity? I said it's not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife b/c we no longer practice it. And if that was what u meant after all I misunderstood u.
Ok dude we're done here. You're putting words into my mouth and making false assumptions when you should know better. It's guys like you that give mainstream Christianity a bad rep. Ttyl Jakey
"Ok dude we're done here. You're putting words into my mouth and making false assumptions..."
What words did I credit to you falsely? I didn't put any words in your mouth.
And I made no false assumptions. If you don't want to explain the LDS position, that is your call.
Does any mormons want to explain why chris says that mormons can't be sealed to multiple women? I heard from multiple mormons that men can get sealed to multiple women for eternity.
I'm not explaining myself. All you'll do is continue to twist & lie & create an argument that never existed. Ur too hardhearted to listen. Ur religion is a blasphemy before God whether mine is or not. Suppose you could prove "Mormonism" wrong. You certainly couldn't prove your mockery of what you call ur religion right b/c it's an abomination before our Father. Ur no "Christian." Christians don't just believe IN Christ, they actually BELIEVE Christ & from what I've seen ur far from believing.
You said that "it's not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife..." but my understanding is that a LDS man can be sealed to more than one woman for eternity.
"So, you are saying that, in the LDS, there is no way for a man to have multiple wives in eternity?
You are the first person that I have heard say this."
And that's only one example.
"You said that "it's not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife..."" I never said anything about eternity. Your presumptions are amazingly ignorant. Again, I'm no long willing to explain myself. Your ignorance is beyond comprehension.
DUDE! Are you mentally challenged??? Let's go back and look at why I said "really."
You: "I've done no twisting or lying"
Me: "Really???"
Then I proceeded to give an example of how that was false. So how old are you Jake? What's your gender? B/c with the way u take things and presume things that are not even hinted at I'm talking to a very insecure adolescent girl or a most senile human being. Take your pick. Which one are you? I'm being as plain as a cloudless sky but for some reason it's
You said: "Really???" and the supposed example of me "lying" was: "So, you are saying that, in the LDS, there is no way for a man to have multiple wives in eternity?"
So, you are saying that me asking a question about what you said is supposedly an example of me twisting or lying?
If I ask you questions, then I am twisting and lying?
beyond your comprehension. Every single thing I've said means nothing more than what it says in the text. Stop trying to trap me in my words. You are a Pharisee and act in the same manner as they towards Christ. You don't understand the concept of "love thy neighbor as thyself." You're not trying to find out about "Mormonism." You're seeking to persecute "Mormonism" and find flaws so you can break it down to secure your own faith and lift yourself when the day is done. If the LDS
If it is, as you say, beyond my comprehension, then you are wasting your time trying to answer me.
However, I understand that this is just an insult. It is easy for anyone to understand if it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife" or not.
So, again, is it possible, or not possible?
You have already said that it is not possible, but then you suggest that it is possible in eternity. Care to clear that up?
Go back and read what I've already said and don't take it out of context. Then you'll have your answer. The reason I say it's beyond your comprehension is b/c I've argued/talked w/ countless ppl Jake and not one of them, NOT ONE, had nearly as hard of a time understanding what I've said as you did. And as for finding out what I believe u already have set in ur mind what I believe and that it's wrong so therefore we are done. You are hardhearted and close-minded. Goodbye Jake.
Your response: "Go back and read what I've already said..."
It seems that you don't want to clear up what you said. I am asking about what you already said.
I'll ask again: you said that it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife". But many LDS say that it is possible to have multiple wives in eternity. Why are so many LDS saying the opposite of you?
(I really don't expect an answer. You've avoided the question so many times.)
I don't avoid the question Jake. The reason I don't answer is A) I already have and B)every time I answer you take it to a whole different plain. It's as if I explain what priesthood is and you come up w/ something like "So baptism is necessary?" and then you act as if you don't even understand that it had nothing to do w/ what I've said nor did I even remotely hint at it. You want answers from an LDS source? try lds. org or fairlds. org and go to "ask the apologist." I'm done w/ being annoyed.
You said that it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife". But many LDS say that it is possible to have multiple wives in eternity. Why are so many LDS saying the opposite of you?
(I really don't expect you to answer. You've avoided the question so many times.)
I'm about to ask the same question for a second time... When in the heck did I say anything about eternity? When did I bring it up? This is why I won't talk about it anymore. You take things WAY out of context. Maybe you should state a little more clearly what you mean in your questions so next time I answer you won't be so confused at what I've said seeing as how apparently I didn't understand what you were actually asking.
You're nothing but a headache man. Ok... Those who were sealed to multiple women before the manifesto WILL have multiple wives in heaven. Those who now have a dead wife that they are sealed to and then re-marry another in the temple being sealed to another WILL have more than one wife in heaven but that is not our purpose. We are sealed to those we love. No LDS is saying the opposite of me. You're taking it the wrong way just like you have from the beginning. Now you can go away...
"Those who now have a dead wife that they are sealed to and then re-marry another in the temple being sealed to another WILL have more than one wife in heaven..."
So, the true finally comes out.
Then your saying that it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife" turned out to not be true.
What happened to when you doubled down: "No, the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple women."?
And what I meant was that since the manifesto was passed you cannot find a modern genuine LDS that practices polygamy. You have your answer. If you want answers for official church doctrine why of all places would you go to youtube and on top of that why go to an anti-Mormon video? Hmmm... Maybe b/c you're not genuinely searching for what we believe? Rather maybe trying to argue instead and perhaps tear us down? Again, goodbye Jake.
Jake I accused YOU of lying and twisting b/c you did and it was plain as day. But your stupidity and moronic sense of understanding does not cease to amaze me and yet still baffles me. What I said to you, you deceitful, lying, twisting, child of hell, was that the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple LIVING women. I said NOTHING about the heavens or eternity. You're so bent on twisting my words & making a "Mormon" look the fool you end up trying so hard you do it to yourself. Or r u just that dumb?
Ok let me try stating what I meant in a manner that your small IQ can understand this time. After this take it to the apologists you ignorant abomination. That is not what I MEANT and therefore never what I SAID. How you took it and how I said it is completely different. Make sense now? CAN is the present tense. COULD or COULD NOT is the past tense. CAN meaning NOW they canNOT be sealed to more than one LIVING woman. They COULD at one point though. But now they CAN NOT be sealed to more than one
I meant in this life. You've pointed out nothing that specifically shows I said anything about the afterlife as that would be your only means of argument.
No it's just that the average Mormon doesn't encounter ppl this willingly ignorant and blind that often. It's frustrating. I'd love to talk doctrine. Just not with you. You twist. You lie. You misunderstand and are not willing to listen to reason. You try and win the argument by saying "it seems like you're saying this. is that what you mean?" when the average human would understand NO! Go back and read plainly and slowly. Or maybe we should start over altogether.
That's b/c I know your kind Jake. You don't want to "talk" doctrine. You want to "tear down" doctrine. If you want to know the truth so badly why are you on an anti-LDS video site on youtube of all places??? How is it you're not genuinely researching the true teachings of the church rather than the opinions of its members? If I were looking for a church's true teachings I'd go to an official source, not some random guy who's claiming "Mormonism." You are the epitome of 2 Tim. 4:3-4
"That's b/c I know your kind Jake. You don't want to "talk" doctrine. You want to "tear down" doctrine."
Despite all the name calling that you are doing, we are getting somewhere.
Earlier you said that it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife."
Now, you seem to have changed your position on that. A "true LDS" can have more than one wife in eternity, right? So, that is progress. Despite you calling me names.
Where was the blame??? And how are you a victim? I blamed you for nothing. That was a statement, not an accusation. I was explaining something. Just another example of your extremities. And I do apologize for offending you Jake. But I don't retract anything I've said.
Let me explain something here:
"not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife."
This statement was made about this life. It should be common sense that an LDS can have more than
"not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife." This statement was made about this life."
So, it seems that what you are saying is that when you said that it was impossible for a true LDS to have more than one wife, you really meant that it was possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife, but not in this life.
The Lord Jesus said that if a person is practicing something in spirit, then that person is guilty of that deed.
You seem to be saying the opposite. To practice polygamy in spirit by getting sealed to multiple women for eternity is NOT practicing polygamy? Is this what you are saying?
"It should be common sense that an LDS can have more than one wife..."
I will remember that one for when I make a mistake.
'Well, you just should have known what I really meant. When I said that it is not possible, I really meant that it is possible in eternity. It should be common sense.'
"I blamed you for nothing. That was a statement, not an accusation."
It doesn't matter how you felt. It's how I meant it that makes it an accusation. Again, sorry if I offended you. And once again let's look at an incoherent argument.
"Many times I asked why other mormons say that a LDS can have multiple wives in eternity and you say that it is not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife."
Not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife.
What does this statement mean? I mean that anyone within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that marries more than one woman upon this earth is excommunicated. Therefore there is no member that lives the standards of my church and has more than one wife upon this earth. Now if he is sealed to more than one that's a different story but if he is sealed to more than one then for him to
remain a member of the church the other or others must be dead and the only way to be sealed to more than one is if one dies and you remarry in the temple.
I go and read the suggested document, and then come back and say that I still have questions. Then I am told that I can find my answer if I read another document.
No. If you can't answer my questions about mormon doctrine, then just say so.
Look Jake, any questions you have after this, if you're open minded about it, no name calling and I do apologize for that, no slander, I'll answer any question you have. But don't go to some anti site. You'll find lies in any anti for all religions. It's the nature of hate. So read it and what questions you have I'll answer if I can.
The reasons I said that were b/c I explained myself crystal clear and then you come back with something totally off the wall that would barely even relate to what I'd said.
Nope. I'm gonna say that if you read the manifesto I won't ask you to read anymore documents. That's the only one I'll ask you to read. Wouldn't it just be easier to havea bunch of questions answered at once rather than going down a list?
As I already explained, I could go and read the document and come back with more questions, and the insulter could decide that I wasn't being "opened minded" enough to suit him.
It's not that you weren't "suiting"me, you weren't thinking before you spoke. Hence why I pointed out deduction. I did not contradict myself. All you had to do was wonder why my statements conflicted. You automatically assumed it was bc I was a liar instead of putting two and two together. I was guarding nothing. You just didn't like the way I called you out
"It's bad form." What are you from England? It doesn't matter if the form is good, bad, mediocre, ridiculous, etc as long as it gets the point across. Don't put manners above edification
Ok dude, let's try some deduction here. What's the one possible thing I could mean when I say that we don't practice polygamy? You'd understand this if you'd read the manifesto
What do I mean if I say the LDS don't practice polygamy but they can be sealed to more than one woman upon death? Try deduction. You can answer this for yourself
"Ignorance: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified." There's no contradiction here. You lack the comprehension b/c u would not think about it. I didn't say you were genetically an idiot. It was more like you were being an idiot b/c you wouldn't think about things. How about you just answer the question?
"It was more like you were being an idiot b/c you wouldn't think about things."
More insults.
It seems that you can't explain your contradiction and you can't or won't explain why the LDS are still sealing multiple women to men for eternity when you say that mormons don't practice polygamy.
If all one has is insults then i guess that that is all one has.
Ok if I know that some men deiced to be sealed to their wife and if they die are sealed to another but I say we don't practice polygamy what do you think I'm trying to say?
I'm talking doctrine. I'm just trying to get you to answer the question for yourself. There's no double edged sword here. Just tell me. Why would I tell you all this and say we don't practice it?
If you go back and read I said I'd answer when you read the manifesto. Have you forgotten that already? I said I can and will but that was conditional. That shoulda been obvious... Or did u forget that fast?
No I can and will. IF you read the manifesto. It's like God's promises. There are plenty of scriptural instances where God said he'd do something but then doesn't b/c of the righteous/unrighteousness of the ppl
Perhaps they are the kind that don't insult so much.
So, mormons, the question is: Why does chris872 say that mormons don't practice polygamy when the LDS, as they say, can seal multiple women to a man for eternity.
"Oh I see. You're not a truth seeker. You're a glory hog?"
Did you come back just to insult me?
I am seeking answers. Read on:
Mormons, the question is: Why does chris872 say that mormons don't practice polygamy when the LDS, as they say, can seal multiple women to a man for eternity?
You've just magnified my point. I've answered that on more than one occasion. You just don't take me seriously when I explain myself. It's quite possible the reason you seem to like open forum is so that you, like all other antis, can tear down the Latter-day Saints. If you were truly seeking a genuine answer or truth you would seek it from the best possible source. But you waste
Ur a jerk
back2thefutre 1 month ago
@back2thefutre- Merry CHRISTmas to you too.
EvidenceMinistries 1 month ago
We strive to follow Jesus. It's as simple as that. If we have faith we will repent. If perfect obedience was required 100% of the time then we would all be damned and there would be no need of a savior. Just take some of the scriptures such as "Be ye therefore perfect" or "go and sin no more". Someone can use thise passages and claim that all Christians have an "impossible gospel". Yes, 19 yr old Missionaries can be unprepared for some questions. You have proven that at least.
trencher7 4 months ago
these are guidlines for one to become a better person,if we where perfect and without sin we would need no church
keaukila 4 months ago
@keaukila- You would need no Church? Wow, that is a VERY telling statement. Are you really saying that since you are not perfect and you are with sin, then you do need a Church? Whatever happened to needing Jesus?
EvidenceMinistries 2 months ago
Before one can be forgiven, one has to keep all of God's commandments all of the time?? What are you being forgiven of then?
Illogical. Like cleaning up to take a bath.
If one keeps ALL God's commandments ALL of the time, then they *don't need* God's forgiveness.
wannawatchu66 6 months ago
You crack me up! Short and to the point!! Right on! Next question. So if I keep all of the commandments all of the time we have not sinned. Why did Jesus offer himself as propitiation for our sins? It makes Jesus sound like a self-destructive drama king.
GmaM11 6 months ago
We have to strive faithfully keep the commandments to the best of our ability. God knows it's not possible for us to keep all the commandments all the time.
AlterSteve 8 months ago
We have to be doing our best to follow the commandments of God and to turn away from the sin for which we have asked Him to forgive us. That is what exactly what the Bible says. Is our salvation contingent on perfection? Of course not, only Jesus is perfect. Are we to emulate Him to the best of our ability? Of course. Christianity IS NOT a religion of repent on Sunday, do what you want all week, then repent on Sunday again. That makes a mockery of His atonement and the cross.
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
God doesnt give us commandments we cant keep. we make mistakes sure. but we can ask for forgiveness.
jonnygotz2343 1 year ago
Offender for a word! What do you think the purpose of the Sacrament is? We know very well that we "fall" still, but we are to go forward in faith never waving, enduring to the end, and then God's Grace is sufficient.
Another thing, it's also shameful of you to waste LDS missionary's time when they aren't experienced apologists who know how to respond to your misrepresentations and attacks. Them not knowing how to provide an immediate answer just shows that you are a bully, nothing more.
leeuniverse 1 year ago
That's after Baptism by a proper authority then yes...
einc70 1 year ago
Haha, poor missionaries, it's just in the wording that they got confused. I would say no to that last question, mormon doctrine is very contextual and circumstantial especially when it comes to repentance, although were not perfect, both you and god at the end of the day (by this I mean, the time when you repent) must clearly understand that you did everything reasonably possible for an imperfect mortal attempting to achieve perfection. if you stumble, and come back honestly, its ok to repent.
brunolopez90 2 years ago
If you want to ask questions like that you can ask me directly on my youtube mail box. But if you want to do it this way sure. I welcome any questions that are not of Anti Mormon relation. What I mean by Anti degrade, depose of, bring down, or try to hinder the Mormon religion. If you try asking me questions that are Anti do it right here if you do it in my mail box I will just delete them.
BOON70 2 years ago
@BOON70 Do you keep "All of the commandments, All of the time"? Make it simple. Don't respond with your copy and paste bloggeria.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
Bloggerhea
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Whats wrong with copy and paste people always copy and paste Anti Mormon here? Why can they copy and paste I can not? Or our you biased towards Mormons? I thought we were supposed to love all people not but hate between each other?
BOON70 1 year ago
@BOON70 I don't have a problem with copy and paste. When you copy and paste relentlessly page after page from the church website in becomes tiresome. I don't hate people. I hate lies and deception. I'm not the one that started calling names either. Every lds member I have met can't post 1 single comment without calling me a disparaging name.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
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@awolLDSasap Well it doesn't help when u call me " Bloggerhea" but u forgot the d. Disparaging means tending to belittle or bring reproach upon dictionary com. Welcome to my life. I am always told I am a Satan worship and a sacrifice animals and falsely accused of things. In fact I have right now some person that says there Catholic who has made all manner of threats upon me sending me messages everyday. They say its okay because I am Mormon or a Satan worshiper. When did Christ make
BOON70 1 year ago
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@awolLDSasap Well it doesn't help when u call me " Bloggerhea" but u forgot the d. Disparaging means tending to belittle or bring reproach upon dictionary com. Welcome to my life. I am always told I am a Satan worship and a sacrifice animals and falsely accused of things. In fact I have right now some person that says there Catholic who has made all manner of threats upon me sending me messages everyday. They say its okay because I am Mormon or a Satan worshiper. When did Christ make
BOON70 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Well it doesn't help when u call me " Bloggerhea" but u forgot the d. Disparaging means tending to belittle or bring reproach upon dictionary com. Welcome to my life. I am always told I am a Satan worship and a sacrifice animals and falsely accused of things. In fact I have right now some person that says there Catholic who has made all manner of threats upon me sending me messages everyday. They say its okay because I am Mormon or a Satan worshiper. When did Christ make
BOON70 1 year ago
@BOON70 bloggerhea is eccessive uncontrolled message posting. There is no d in the word. "Internet posting diarrhea." I thought it was funny.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap threats towards anyone. The only thing he ever did was warn them of the danger that will come if they do not change their ways. Just like any loving person would. When he said to Peter to go away because he had an evil spirit Christ was only defending himself he was not trying to threaten Peter.
BOON70 1 year ago
@BOON70 I don't believe threats against any person are helpfull or right. Many lds members believe that threats against the church are personal threats. They're not.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Well depends on how you look at it. When you say they worship a man and they worship Satan. Does that open them to you? More like they build up a wall. Saying that you believe the Book of Mormon is incorrect is okay, but going to a Mormon and saying everyone that believe in the Book of Mormon is going to hell. Aren't you speaking of all their friends too? Aren't we supposed to have open hearts towards every person?
BOON70 1 year ago
Good question on wither we should keep the commandments all the time. What the missionaries should of said is "try to keep all the commandments all the time". We all know that we are not perfect but Christ asked us to be. As we all know we fall short. As long as we are striving are best towards what God would want us to be. We will continue on the upward stride till we are perfect in this life and the life to come. I like your question. Its not the typical Anti Mormon question.
BOON70 2 years ago
I can see why this guy is upset. If you are not able to follow the teachings of Christ and you don't want to listen to the teachings found in the holy bible. I guess when you see people that are following the holy bible and Christ. Well i suppose some people get offended by this and go a little nuts. Like this guy. It got to be rough for him watching others accomplish what he cannot.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
Mormons, is polygamy good or evil?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Ok let's start this over Jake and I'll start with a question b/c I know thaty ou can answer this for yourself: Was it good or bad for Abraham and Solomon and countless others to practice polygamy?
chris827 2 years ago
You know I have been on video one asking this video guy lots of questions but he hasn't answered one? Anyways I am a Mormon not all Mormons most avoid it because the spirit of contention is of the devil in the Book of Mormon. When speaking of polygamy it depends. Were they directed by God to do it or not? You will find that during the time of polygamy of Mormons they was more of it being practiced outside of the Mormon religion then in the Mormon religion.
BOON70 2 years ago
The women that were in polygamy in the Mormon knew full well what they were getting into. The women were also treated with respect. You can also find those of other faiths other than Mormon that will say that if polygamy was to ever be practiced its the way the Mormons do it. The main purpose of polygamy was to bring as many of Gods children in to the Gospel of truth and light. How does God bring his children to Earth through birth.
BOON70 2 years ago
So to increase that opportunity to Gods children, God brought about polygamy. Its not the first time either we do know for a fact that Abraham and Solomon practice it. Some Antis will say Solomon was evil but what about Abraham? To marry another woman in the Mormon faith your first wife and if had other they had to agree with you take on another wife. Then they had to meet hard qualifications then be interviewed by a series of church officials.
BOON70 2 years ago
Many did not pass and some did. Not all Mormons practiced polygamy if you look it up only a chosen few. Just as Abraham was chosen to do so, but not every one.
BOON70 2 years ago
The only reason why I answer the questions from what I know I am okay as long as don't get upset or mad. I will say though after answer Anti Mormon questions for so many years. It get tiresome and boring because they have the same questions over and over again. Sometimes they word it different too. In my opinion there like a bunch of monkeys on a stage jumping around having the same play over and over.
BOON70 2 years ago
Btw, good luck getting a "Mormon" to answer. The fact that I'm here is rare in itself. The LDS usually avoid such places as this.
chris827 2 years ago
"...good luck getting a "Mormon" to answer."
Some mormen have answered.
One said this: "Polygamy is evil." But he didn't seem to want to discuss it on an open forum.
Others have hinted that polygamy is good.
Mormons seem very divided on polygamy.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Again, good luck getting a Mormon to answer. Maybe you should try looking at the church's view instead of the average member.
ukfan212779 2 years ago
Oops. Don't worry about replying to ukfan. That was me. I forgot to switch screen names on my friend's computer
chris827 2 years ago
"Again, good luck getting a Mormon to answer."
Again, some mormen have answered.
One said this: "Polygamy is evil." But he didn't seem to want to discuss it on an open forum.
Others have hinted that polygamy is good.
Mormons seem very divided on polygamy.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Jake I really want to apologize to you. Don't let my unholy example of calling you names be the foundation for every "Mormon" you meet. I let myself go you could say and let the flesh get to me. I'm not apologizing in behalf of any other member of my church. I'm apologizing in behalf of my negativity alone. I should've been humble through the comments made but instead decided upon a harsh course of action. I hope you can forgive the wrongs I've spoken to you. I'm sorry man.
chris827 2 years ago
"I hope you can forgive the wrongs I've spoken to you. I'm sorry man."
That is very big of you. I'm impressed.
Of course. And, thank you.
jakedevon 2 years ago
okay the context of what he is saying is all the commandments require obediance. I believe that, as shristians we sin everyday and when the lord recognizes our efforts to stay away from the sin that befalls us and keeps us from keeping the commandment that we must keep. IF that's not doctrine to "christians" Than I'm glad I'm not protestan. but I wonder about my protestan.
09futbol 2 years ago
Everything is bad if not allowed by god. He will tell us when we should do things only on his time.
09futbol 2 years ago
Quick question for mormons:
Is polygamy good or evil?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Both, good when allowed by god, i.e. abraham, isaac, and jacob. And bad when not allowed by god. I.e. solomon. It's allowed, and it isn't allowed.
09futbol 2 years ago
"Both, good when allowed by god,"
So, is polygamy good right now, or evil right now?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Well, take alook around you. How important is marriage to you? Do you see the people keeping their marriages together now? It goes back to the old saying if we can't keep it together with one wife than why would we have more than one. Poly gamy is a soft tough subject but with an open mind anybody can understand it.
09futbol 2 years ago
Why does it have to be "good or evil"? Just because something isn't allowed by God doesn't mean it's evil. Sometimes something is a sin b/c it's unnecessary and God has said no. Polygamy had its place. It is not "evil." It's like sex with a married couple. Out in public in front of everyone it is a desecration of sacred things. But in the bedroom, i.e. the time and place for it, it's not only appropriate but commanded. After all, we are commanded to "multiply and replenish the earth."
chris827 2 years ago
"Why does it have to be "good or evil"?"
Wait a minute.
First you claimed that polygamy was good, then you seemed to say that it was evil, and now you are changing you answer to 'I don't know'?
And your post ended with the implication that polygamy was commanded by the Lord God, which would make polygamy good, wouldn't it?
Make up your mind!
You can't decide if mormon doctrine is good or evil?
jakedevon 2 years ago
No I never said it was ever evil. I never said I don't know. You are putting words in my mouth & distorting what I've said, intentional or not. Polygamy is a heavenly principle so therefore it is good. Polygamy will always be good b/c it comes from above. However, to practice it when commanded otherwise is evil. Polygamy is never therefore bad but there is a difference between the principle and the practice. Is the principle itself bad? No. Is the practice bad? Only when God says "Don't do it."
chris827 2 years ago
"You are putting words in my mouth..."
I don't mean to put words in your mouth. I am just trying to understand what you said.
Is that the official LDS position, that polygamy is not good or evil?
In the mormon doctrine, does polygamy have anything to do with where someone goes in the afterlife?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Sorry to sound accusing Jake. I should've stated that differently. & the LDS position is that the principle of polygamy is not evil but the practice of it is sinful since God has now said that it should be discontinued. And to answer the 2nd question it depends on whether or not one was commanded to be polygamous. It was only according to revelation that one practiced it. You have to understand it was practiced by around 3% of the church. People make it bigger than it really was w/ our religion.
chris827 2 years ago
"...the LDS position is that principle of polygamy is not evil but the practice of it is sinful since God has said that it should be discontinued."
How can polygamy be "not evil" and "sinful" at the same time?
Are you being straight with me?
The practice of polygamy is sinful but polygamy is not sinful? Can you hear yourself?
jakedevon 2 years ago
You're not getting it Jake. Is the law of Moses evil? No. Is it sinful to live it now? Of course. We no longer sacrifice animals b/c it's been fulfilled. We're no longer commanded to do it, rather we are commanded NOT to do it. So it is with polygamy. It had its place and was a holy practice at one time. Now it is a sinful practice b/c Christ has fulfilled all. The principle and the practice are two different things. I know you're able to comprehend this. Just think about it. The concept is holy
chris827 2 years ago
b/c of the reason it was established at the time. But there is a new God given reason NOT to live it. All of what I've spoken applies to polygamy. Concerning this the Book of Mormon says "For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; OTHERWISE they shall hearken unto these things." It doesn't get much plainer than that.
chris827 2 years ago
"Both good when allowed by god, i.e. abraham, isaac, and jacob. And bad when allowed by god I.e. solomon."
If it is evil right now, as you say, then why is polygamy in the mormon doctrine? You are saying that the mormons have an evil doctrine.
jakedevon 2 years ago
I never said it is evil right now.
chris827 2 years ago
"I never said it is evil right now."
So, are you then saying that it is good right now?
jakedevon 2 years ago
The principle or the practice?
chris827 2 years ago
"The principle or the practice?"
What?
How can the principle be good and the practice be evil?
'Yes, my children, this is a very good action to take, but I better not catch any of you doing it.' You wouldn't buy that. Neither do I.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Ok are you even reading anything I've said? AGAIN, let's look at the Law of Moses. "Principle: a rule or code of conduct." Tell me, Jake. Was the Law of Moses an evil principle? It was at one point commanded by God. At what point does something that was formerly a heavenly (holy) principle become a principle of the devil (evil)? As far as I'm aware it was instituted of God but has since become unnecessary making the practice of such things a sin but the principle still a heavenly thing.
chris827 2 years ago
"Ok are you even reading anything I've said?"
Are you reading what you write?
You ask about principles and then apply that to laws. 'Do not murder' is a law, not a principle. At no point does it become okay to murder. However, a principle is not a law.
jakedevon 2 years ago
The principle, or reason behind its institution, was to show the stiffnecked and hard hearted ways of the Israelites a type for Jesus Christ. Since Christ has now come and fulfilled the law we no longer need animal sacrifice and indeed one could even say that it is an evil PRACTICE since God has said to stop but the PRINCIPLE of the Law of Moses was to lead the Israelites to God and understand the coming of Christ so the principle remains holy but the practice unholy. It's not hard to get...
chris827 2 years ago
"So again I ask you, the principle or the practice?"
You say that the LDS are to no longer practice polygamy, but they still practice polygamy. A man can, according to LDS doctrine, get sealed to multiple women for eternity.
jakedevon 2 years ago
You're creating scenarios that have nothing to do w/ what i've said. And you are the epitome of those who are ignorant b/c they research research instead of researching what they should. the FLDS practice polygamy. You'll never find a member of the LDS faith that practices such that hasn't been excommunicated or is currently a member.
chris827 2 years ago
"the FLDS practice polygamy."
So, you are saying that, in the LDS, a man can't get sealed to multiple women for eternity?
If LDS men can get sealed to multiple women for eternity, then they are practicing polygamy. Just not polygamy here in the States.
But you say that the Father does not allow polygamy. You should tell the LDS to stop sealing men to multiple women, if what you say is true.
jakedevon 2 years ago
And YOU should research more before you open your mouth and continue to make yourself look like a gossipy high schooler. No, the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple women. Try reading official declaration 1 in the D&C.
chris827 2 years ago
"No, the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple women."
So, you are saying that, in the LDS, there is no way for a man to have multiple wives in eternity?
You are the first person that I have heard say this. Every other mormon that I have talked to on this say that opposite of you.
If what you say is true, then why is the doctrine of polygamy (D&C 132) still in the mormon doctrine?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Where in the heck did I even hint at in eternity? I said it's not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife b/c we no longer practice it. And if that was what u meant after all I misunderstood u.
chris827 2 years ago
"I said it's not possible..."
If it is not possible, as you say, for an LDS to have more than one wife, then it will not happen even in eternity, right?
('Oh! In eternity? Well, then it would be possible.'
'So now you are saying that it is possible.'
'Eternity is eternity. I was talking about on earth.'
'Whatever. It seems that you are saying that it is possible after all.)
jakedevon 2 years ago
Ok dude we're done here. You're putting words into my mouth and making false assumptions when you should know better. It's guys like you that give mainstream Christianity a bad rep. Ttyl Jakey
chris827 2 years ago
"Ok dude we're done here. You're putting words into my mouth and making false assumptions..."
What words did I credit to you falsely? I didn't put any words in your mouth.
And I made no false assumptions. If you don't want to explain the LDS position, that is your call.
Does any mormons want to explain why chris says that mormons can't be sealed to multiple women? I heard from multiple mormons that men can get sealed to multiple women for eternity.
jakedevon 2 years ago
I'm not explaining myself. All you'll do is continue to twist & lie & create an argument that never existed. Ur too hardhearted to listen. Ur religion is a blasphemy before God whether mine is or not. Suppose you could prove "Mormonism" wrong. You certainly couldn't prove your mockery of what you call ur religion right b/c it's an abomination before our Father. Ur no "Christian." Christians don't just believe IN Christ, they actually BELIEVE Christ & from what I've seen ur far from believing.
chris827 2 years ago
"I'm not explaining myself."
I've noticed.
"All you'll do is continue to twist & lie."
I've done no twisting or lying.
You said that "it's not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife..." but my understanding is that a LDS man can be sealed to more than one woman for eternity.
Are you staying with "it's not possible"?
jakedevon 2 years ago
"I've done no twisting or lying"
Really???
"So, you are saying that, in the LDS, there is no way for a man to have multiple wives in eternity?
You are the first person that I have heard say this."
And that's only one example.
"You said that "it's not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife..."" I never said anything about eternity. Your presumptions are amazingly ignorant. Again, I'm no long willing to explain myself. Your ignorance is beyond comprehension.
chris827 2 years ago
"Really???"
So, you are trying to say that you are not the first person that I have heard say this?
If you are, then who was the first?
jakedevon 2 years ago
"I never said anything about eternity."
You did say that "it's not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife..."
But now you seem to be excluding eternity. Are you now saying that a LDS man can have more that one wife IF it is in eternity?
jakedevon 2 years ago
DUDE! Are you mentally challenged??? Let's go back and look at why I said "really."
You: "I've done no twisting or lying"
Me: "Really???"
Then I proceeded to give an example of how that was false. So how old are you Jake? What's your gender? B/c with the way u take things and presume things that are not even hinted at I'm talking to a very insecure adolescent girl or a most senile human being. Take your pick. Which one are you? I'm being as plain as a cloudless sky but for some reason it's
chris827 2 years ago
I said: "I've done no twisting or lying"
You said: "Really???" and the supposed example of me "lying" was: "So, you are saying that, in the LDS, there is no way for a man to have multiple wives in eternity?"
So, you are saying that me asking a question about what you said is supposedly an example of me twisting or lying?
If I ask you questions, then I am twisting and lying?
DUDE! Are you mentally challenged???
jakedevon 2 years ago
beyond your comprehension. Every single thing I've said means nothing more than what it says in the text. Stop trying to trap me in my words. You are a Pharisee and act in the same manner as they towards Christ. You don't understand the concept of "love thy neighbor as thyself." You're not trying to find out about "Mormonism." You're seeking to persecute "Mormonism" and find flaws so you can break it down to secure your own faith and lift yourself when the day is done. If the LDS
chris827 2 years ago
"beyond your comprehension."
If it is, as you say, beyond my comprehension, then you are wasting your time trying to answer me.
However, I understand that this is just an insult. It is easy for anyone to understand if it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife" or not.
So, again, is it possible, or not possible?
You have already said that it is not possible, but then you suggest that it is possible in eternity. Care to clear that up?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Go back and read what I've already said and don't take it out of context. Then you'll have your answer. The reason I say it's beyond your comprehension is b/c I've argued/talked w/ countless ppl Jake and not one of them, NOT ONE, had nearly as hard of a time understanding what I've said as you did. And as for finding out what I believe u already have set in ur mind what I believe and that it's wrong so therefore we are done. You are hardhearted and close-minded. Goodbye Jake.
chris827 2 years ago
I asked: "Care to clear that up?"
Your response: "Go back and read what I've already said..."
It seems that you don't want to clear up what you said. I am asking about what you already said.
I'll ask again: you said that it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife". But many LDS say that it is possible to have multiple wives in eternity. Why are so many LDS saying the opposite of you?
(I really don't expect an answer. You've avoided the question so many times.)
jakedevon 2 years ago
I don't avoid the question Jake. The reason I don't answer is A) I already have and B)every time I answer you take it to a whole different plain. It's as if I explain what priesthood is and you come up w/ something like "So baptism is necessary?" and then you act as if you don't even understand that it had nothing to do w/ what I've said nor did I even remotely hint at it. You want answers from an LDS source? try lds. org or fairlds. org and go to "ask the apologist." I'm done w/ being annoyed.
chris827 2 years ago
"I don't avoid the question Jake."
Let us test that statement.
You said that it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife". But many LDS say that it is possible to have multiple wives in eternity. Why are so many LDS saying the opposite of you?
(I really don't expect you to answer. You've avoided the question so many times.)
jakedevon 2 years ago
I'm about to ask the same question for a second time... When in the heck did I say anything about eternity? When did I bring it up? This is why I won't talk about it anymore. You take things WAY out of context. Maybe you should state a little more clearly what you mean in your questions so next time I answer you won't be so confused at what I've said seeing as how apparently I didn't understand what you were actually asking.
chris827 2 years ago
"And what I meant to say was that since the manifesto was passed you cannot find a modern genuine LDS that practices polygamy."
I think that you just said that modern genuine LDS men can't be sealed to multiple women for eternity. Is that what you just said?
Many LDS say that it is possible to have multiple wives in eternity. Why are so many LDS saying the opposite of you?
jakedevon 2 years ago
You're nothing but a headache man. Ok... Those who were sealed to multiple women before the manifesto WILL have multiple wives in heaven. Those who now have a dead wife that they are sealed to and then re-marry another in the temple being sealed to another WILL have more than one wife in heaven but that is not our purpose. We are sealed to those we love. No LDS is saying the opposite of me. You're taking it the wrong way just like you have from the beginning. Now you can go away...
chris827 2 years ago
"Those who now have a dead wife that they are sealed to and then re-marry another in the temple being sealed to another WILL have more than one wife in heaven..."
So, the true finally comes out.
Then your saying that it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife" turned out to not be true.
What happened to when you doubled down: "No, the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple women."?
You accused me of lying and twisting.
jakedevon 2 years ago
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chris827 2 years ago
And what I meant was that since the manifesto was passed you cannot find a modern genuine LDS that practices polygamy. You have your answer. If you want answers for official church doctrine why of all places would you go to youtube and on top of that why go to an anti-Mormon video? Hmmm... Maybe b/c you're not genuinely searching for what we believe? Rather maybe trying to argue instead and perhaps tear us down? Again, goodbye Jake.
chris827 2 years ago
Jake I accused YOU of lying and twisting b/c you did and it was plain as day. But your stupidity and moronic sense of understanding does not cease to amaze me and yet still baffles me. What I said to you, you deceitful, lying, twisting, child of hell, was that the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple LIVING women. I said NOTHING about the heavens or eternity. You're so bent on twisting my words & making a "Mormon" look the fool you end up trying so hard you do it to yourself. Or r u just that dumb?
chris827 2 years ago
"What I said to you, you deceitful, lying, twisting, child of hell, as that the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple LIVING women."
Here is the quote from you: "...not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife."
Another quote from you: "No, the LDS canNOT get sealed to multiple women."
A person can change his stance, but don't try to say that this was never what you said.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Ok let me try stating what I meant in a manner that your small IQ can understand this time. After this take it to the apologists you ignorant abomination. That is not what I MEANT and therefore never what I SAID. How you took it and how I said it is completely different. Make sense now? CAN is the present tense. COULD or COULD NOT is the past tense. CAN meaning NOW they canNOT be sealed to more than one LIVING woman. They COULD at one point though. But now they CAN NOT be sealed to more than one
chris827 2 years ago
"Ok let me try stating what I meant in a manner that your small IQ can understand this time."
I caught you in a mistake about mormon doctrine, so to try to cover for your mistake, you insult my intelligence.
If my intelligence is so small, then why was I the one pointing out your mistake?
Ha, ha!
'It is not possible for a true LDS man to have more than one wife. ... Oh. Yeah. In that case, it is possible. But you're stupid.'
jakedevon 2 years ago
I meant in this life. You've pointed out nothing that specifically shows I said anything about the afterlife as that would be your only means of argument.
chris827 2 years ago
"You confuse me. One minute you take what i said out of context and twist my words..."
Not true. I have not done that.
That is just slander.
It seems that you don't want to talk about doctrine. In just about all your posts you say something disparaging about me.
If you don't want to talk doctrine, then please quit responding to me.
Does the average mormon insult people this often?
jakedevon 2 years ago
No it's just that the average Mormon doesn't encounter ppl this willingly ignorant and blind that often. It's frustrating. I'd love to talk doctrine. Just not with you. You twist. You lie. You misunderstand and are not willing to listen to reason. You try and win the argument by saying "it seems like you're saying this. is that what you mean?" when the average human would understand NO! Go back and read plainly and slowly. Or maybe we should start over altogether.
chris827 2 years ago
"No it's just that the average Mormon doesn't encounter ppl this willingly ignorant and blind that often."
Another insult.
I take it that you are not a fan of the teachings of the Lord Jesus. Does "turn the other cheek" sound familiar to you?
Y'know. We could just talk doctrine. But some people love to throw insults, I guess.
jakedevon 2 years ago
That's b/c I know your kind Jake. You don't want to "talk" doctrine. You want to "tear down" doctrine. If you want to know the truth so badly why are you on an anti-LDS video site on youtube of all places??? How is it you're not genuinely researching the true teachings of the church rather than the opinions of its members? If I were looking for a church's true teachings I'd go to an official source, not some random guy who's claiming "Mormonism." You are the epitome of 2 Tim. 4:3-4
chris827 2 years ago
"That's b/c I know your kind Jake. You don't want to "talk" doctrine. You want to "tear down" doctrine."
Despite all the name calling that you are doing, we are getting somewhere.
Earlier you said that it is "not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife."
Now, you seem to have changed your position on that. A "true LDS" can have more than one wife in eternity, right? So, that is progress. Despite you calling me names.
jakedevon 2 years ago
"And now, of course, you blame the victim."
Where was the blame??? And how are you a victim? I blamed you for nothing. That was a statement, not an accusation. I was explaining something. Just another example of your extremities. And I do apologize for offending you Jake. But I don't retract anything I've said.
Let me explain something here:
"not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife."
This statement was made about this life. It should be common sense that an LDS can have more than
chris827 2 years ago
"Where was the blame??? And how are you a victim?"
I am the victim of your name calling. Repeated victim.
"I blamed you for nothing."
Except that you said that I asked for it: "Jake you ask it for EVERYTHING."
'Yes, Lord Jesus, I know that You say to turn the other cheek, be he asks it for EVERYTHING.'
jakedevon 2 years ago
"Let me explain something here:
"not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife." This statement was made about this life."
So, it seems that what you are saying is that when you said that it was impossible for a true LDS to have more than one wife, you really meant that it was possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife, but not in this life.
jakedevon 2 years ago
"And no, LDS don't practice polygamy anymore."
The Lord Jesus said that if a person is practicing something in spirit, then that person is guilty of that deed.
You seem to be saying the opposite. To practice polygamy in spirit by getting sealed to multiple women for eternity is NOT practicing polygamy? Is this what you are saying?
jakedevon 2 years ago
"It should be common sense that an LDS can have more than one wife..."
I will remember that one for when I make a mistake.
'Well, you just should have known what I really meant. When I said that it is not possible, I really meant that it is possible in eternity. It should be common sense.'
jakedevon 2 years ago
I hate repeating myself but I'll do it again:
"I blamed you for nothing. That was a statement, not an accusation."
It doesn't matter how you felt. It's how I meant it that makes it an accusation. Again, sorry if I offended you. And once again let's look at an incoherent argument.
"Many times I asked why other mormons say that a LDS can have multiple wives in eternity and you say that it is not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife."
You're as dense as a rock and as stubborn as a
chris827 2 years ago
jackass. Let's break what I said down.
Not possible for a true LDS to have more than one wife.
What does this statement mean? I mean that anyone within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that marries more than one woman upon this earth is excommunicated. Therefore there is no member that lives the standards of my church and has more than one wife upon this earth. Now if he is sealed to more than one that's a different story but if he is sealed to more than one then for him to
chris827 2 years ago
remain a member of the church the other or others must be dead and the only way to be sealed to more than one is if one dies and you remarry in the temple.
Read the manifesto D&C Official Declaration 1.
Read the manifesto D&C Official Declaration 1.
Read the manifesto D&C Official Declaration 1.
Read the manifesto D&C Official Declaration 1.
Read the manifesto D&C Official Declaration 1.
Read the manifesto D&C Official Declaration 1.
Read the manifesto D&C Official Declaration 1.
chris827 2 years ago
"Read the manifesto D&C Official Declaration 1."
I've seen this tactic before.
I go and read the suggested document, and then come back and say that I still have questions. Then I am told that I can find my answer if I read another document.
No. If you can't answer my questions about mormon doctrine, then just say so.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Nice... Skepticism is always the answer... Good job "Christian"
chris827 2 years ago
Look Jake, any questions you have after this, if you're open minded about it, no name calling and I do apologize for that, no slander, I'll answer any question you have. But don't go to some anti site. You'll find lies in any anti for all religions. It's the nature of hate. So read it and what questions you have I'll answer if I can.
chris827 2 years ago
"Look Jake, any questions you have after this, if you're open minded about it,"
I said this in a previous post: "Are you staying with "it's not possible"?
Your direct response: "Your presumptions are amazingly ignorant."
Instead of explaining what you meant, you insult me in that response. (Much later, you finally did change from "NOT possible" to "possible".)
So, who decides if I am open minded? The insulter? Or the insulted?
jakedevon 2 years ago
The reasons I said that were b/c I explained myself crystal clear and then you come back with something totally off the wall that would barely even relate to what I'd said.
chris827 2 years ago
"The reasons I said that were b/c I explained myself crystal clear and then you come back with something totally off the wall..."
So you are saying that the insulter will decide if I am being "open minded"?
Fox guarding the hen house. No thanks.
If you can't or won't answer my questions, then, please, just say so.
jakedevon 2 years ago
I'll answer your questions gladly. Just stop trying to piece a puzzle piece with another that doesn't fit.
chris827 2 years ago
"I'll answer your questions gladly."
Great.
If polygamy is forbidden for mormons, as you say, then why can they still get sealed to multiple women for eternity?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Geez... Did u read the manifesto? Or did u just not understand it? That should've answered that.
chris827 2 years ago
"If you'd read the manifesto it should make sense."
I told you "no thanks".
The fox guarding the hen house is just not a good plan.
If you can't or won't explain mormon doctrine, then, please just say so.
(Let me guess, you're going to say something like: 'You're too amazingly ignorant to explain doctrine to. I'm leaving.)
jakedevon 2 years ago
Nope. I'm gonna say that if you read the manifesto I won't ask you to read anymore documents. That's the only one I'll ask you to read. Wouldn't it just be easier to havea bunch of questions answered at once rather than going down a list?
chris827 2 years ago
"I'm gonna say that if you read the manifesto I won't ask you to read anymore documents."
There is still the problem with the fox guarding the hen house.
jakedevon 2 years ago
How so?
chris827 2 years ago
"How so?"
As I already explained, I could go and read the document and come back with more questions, and the insulter could decide that I wasn't being "opened minded" enough to suit him.
jakedevon 2 years ago
It's not that you weren't "suiting"me, you weren't thinking before you spoke. Hence why I pointed out deduction. I did not contradict myself. All you had to do was wonder why my statements conflicted. You automatically assumed it was bc I was a liar instead of putting two and two together. I was guarding nothing. You just didn't like the way I called you out
chris827 2 years ago
"I did not contradict myself."
Really?
"When the heck did I say anything about eternity?"
Ha, ha! So, it seems that you did not specify eternity from early on.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Does everything have to be specified for you to understand it? Does everything have to be complicated?
chris827 2 years ago
"Does everything have to specified for you to understand it?"
If you can't answer then just say so.
But please don't try to put the burden of explaining your position on me. It's bad form.
jakedevon 2 years ago
"It's bad form." What are you from England? It doesn't matter if the form is good, bad, mediocre, ridiculous, etc as long as it gets the point across. Don't put manners above edification
chris827 2 years ago
"What are you from England?"
How about we talk doctrine?
Why do you say that mormons don't practice polygamy when LDS still get sealed to multiple women for eternity?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Answer this by telling me what is the only possible thing I could mean without lying to you when I say this?
chris827 2 years ago
"Answer this by telling me what is the only possible thing I could mean without lying to you when I say this?"
If you won't or can't explain mormon doctrine, then, please, say so.
jakedevon 2 years ago
I can and will. But the student often learns best when he is on his own.
chris827 2 years ago
"I can and will."
That remains to be seen.
jakedevon 2 years ago
And?
chris827 2 years ago
"And?"
I'm still waiting?
jakedevon 2 years ago
Ok dude, let's try some deduction here. What's the one possible thing I could mean when I say that we don't practice polygamy? You'd understand this if you'd read the manifesto
chris827 2 years ago
"Ok dude, let's try some deduction here."
Are you going to answer the question?
If you are not going to answer, then just say that you won't answer, please.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Why do you say the mormons don't practice polygamy when a LDS can still get sealed to multiple women for eternity?
If you can't answer, then, please, just say so.
jakedevon 2 years ago
What do I mean if I say the LDS don't practice polygamy but they can be sealed to more than one woman upon death? Try deduction. You can answer this for yourself
chris827 2 years ago
why do you say that the mormons don't practice polygamy when a LDS can still get sealed to multiple women for eternity?
If you can't or won't answer, then, please, just say so.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Ok think about it. Why would I say that? There's gotta be a reason. You can answer this for yourself.
chris827 2 years ago
"Why would I say that? There's gotta be a reason. You can answer this for yourself."
Now it seems that you are trusting someone that, earlier, you called "amazingly ignorant".
How about you try to explain your obvious contradiction.
jakedevon 2 years ago
"Ignorance: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified." There's no contradiction here. You lack the comprehension b/c u would not think about it. I didn't say you were genetically an idiot. It was more like you were being an idiot b/c you wouldn't think about things. How about you just answer the question?
chris827 2 years ago
"It was more like you were being an idiot b/c you wouldn't think about things."
More insults.
It seems that you can't explain your contradiction and you can't or won't explain why the LDS are still sealing multiple women to men for eternity when you say that mormons don't practice polygamy.
If all one has is insults then i guess that that is all one has.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Ok if I know that some men deiced to be sealed to their wife and if they die are sealed to another but I say we don't practice polygamy what do you think I'm trying to say?
chris827 2 years ago
"...but I say we don't practice polygamy what do you think I'm trying to say?"
I think that you won't talk doctrine.
Why do you say that mormons don't practice polygamy when LDS still get sealed to multiple women for eternity?
jakedevon 2 years ago
I'm talking doctrine. I'm just trying to get you to answer the question for yourself. There's no double edged sword here. Just tell me. Why would I tell you all this and say we don't practice it?
chris827 2 years ago
"I'm just trying to get you to answer the question for yourself."
And I am trying to get you to answer the question for yourself.
jakedevon 2 years ago
No, you're trying to get me to answer the question for YOU. I already have the answer.
chris827 2 years ago
"I already have the answer."
Again, that remains to be seen.
jakedevon 2 years ago
No it doesn't. I answered it a looong time ago. But since you didn't seem to understand I figure the only way is for you to answer this yourself
chris827 2 years ago
"...I figure the only way is for you to answer this yourself"
Ha, ha!
That is the best that you've got?
jakedevon 2 years ago
It's the only thing I've got... You can't seem to answer it for yourself and I'm trying to help you figure it out. Why won't you think about it?
chris827 2 years ago
"You can't seem to answer it for yourself..."
You can't seem to answer.
If you are not going to answer, then please say so.
jakedevon 2 years ago
LOL! Well you can't seem to answer most! Nice response. Why won't you answer me anyway?
chris827 2 years ago
"Why won't you answer me anyway?"
If you are not going to answer, then please say that you won't answer.
jakedevon 2 years ago
That doesn't tell me anything...
chris827 2 years ago
I asked first.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Please, if you not going to answer, then just say that you aren't going to answer.
jakedevon 2 years ago
What's the point? You'll only twist my words again anyway or add things that aren't there. Why should I answer?
chris827 2 years ago
"What's the point?"
If anyone reads this, they will believe that you lied about having the answer.
Also, they will know that you would have lied about not answering when said that you would answer.
I guess it just depends on if you want to lie about it or not. You said that you'd answer.
jakedevon 2 years ago
If you go back and read I said I'd answer when you read the manifesto. Have you forgotten that already? I said I can and will but that was conditional. That shoulda been obvious... Or did u forget that fast?
chris827 2 years ago
"I can and will."
But now it seems that you are saying that you can and you might.
jakedevon 2 years ago
No I can and will. IF you read the manifesto. It's like God's promises. There are plenty of scriptural instances where God said he'd do something but then doesn't b/c of the righteous/unrighteousness of the ppl
chris827 2 years ago
"IF you read the manifesto."
I already told you no thanks.
So, it seems that you are not going to answer.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Think about it. There's no might about it. I either will or won't. It all depends on you
chris827 2 years ago
"Think about it. There's no might about it. I either will or won't. It all depends on you"
No thanks. It is just not a good idea to let the fox guard the hen house.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Well, there are other mormons.
Perhaps they are the kind that don't insult so much.
So, mormons, the question is: Why does chris872 say that mormons don't practice polygamy when the LDS, as they say, can seal multiple women to a man for eternity.
jakedevon 2 years ago
fairlds. org/ contact. php Try asking one of them. They deal with ppl like you all the time
chris827 2 years ago
"fairlds. org/ contact. php Try asking one of them."
I prefer open forums.
But thanks anyway.
jakedevon 2 years ago
Oh I see. You're not a truth seeker. You're a glory hog?
chris827 2 years ago
"Oh I see. You're not a truth seeker. You're a glory hog?"
Did you come back just to insult me?
I am seeking answers. Read on:
Mormons, the question is: Why does chris872 say that mormons don't practice polygamy when the LDS, as they say, can seal multiple women to a man for eternity?
jakedevon 2 years ago
You've just magnified my point. I've answered that on more than one occasion. You just don't take me seriously when I explain myself. It's quite possible the reason you seem to like open forum is so that you, like all other antis, can tear down the Latter-day Saints. If you were truly seeking a genuine answer or truth you would seek it from the best possible source. But you waste