Chris has good music and and good punches. He beat the CRAP out of out of some dude yesterday night in NYC after he called him a nigger , the guy was demolished. TMZ posted the video at tmzfights. com
Can anyone tell me what this is from? I know I've seen a more condensed version (I want to say it was on the Wow 2000 Hits video), but I can't find it anywhere and that's what I'm looking for.
I definitely get the evolution that you are describing. I do indeed believe in the evolutionary process within species. That much is very apparent to me.
I suppose where I get lost is the jump to Macro evolution. The change of one species to another. That is the one that seems soo much more random to me. I guess in my mind I alomost liken it to that random mutation of a baby being born with a 3rd arm...
macro and micro evolution are merely different measurements of the same thing going on (change in gene frequencies). you really can't have one without the other, especially given what's obvious in the fossil record, and what is clearly the geological age of the earth.
because humans did come around so recently, there is a substantiated fossil record for human evolution, despite common creationist claims.. i know it's a sensitive subject but i hope we can talk about it some time.
By the way Mikey, you have not offended me. I have actually enjoyed this. I do sincerely ask you to help me understand your view of the creation story in the bible in light of evolution. How they tie together. I don't ask to be snide either. I truly would like to learn and understand how you come to your conclusions. Not to argue them with you, but truly to learn and understand.
I suppose that in relationship to this verse, and what I read in Genesis, I apparently have a more literal interpretation of God's creation than you.
I suppose, for me, it comes down to what the definition of evolution is... if it is, at its base level, the belief that species developed by chance and mutation over a long period of time, until man finally came into being, then I struggle iwth it.
Does that not deny the power of God then? If we evolved, then why do we need God?
evolution is very specific to the species' environment.. the only thing that seems to be random (and yes, scientists do say it's random) are mutations... such as, if you had a child with 3 arms.. that is the type of random mutation that is, well, "random". evolution is very specific to the environment, so like natural selection describes, if humans with the random mutation of 3 arms has a benefit in their environment to survive, that trait will be more prominent in future generations.
i don't see how that would at all deny the power of God.. just the fact that beings such as us exist, we are aware and practice morality and such is reason to believe.
what difference does it make if life evolved over billions of years or if it all came at once and existed all at once in the snap of a finger?
i really don't see how either way it would deny the power of God.
we need God because we are designed by God to have felllowship with God. we practice morality etc. we are conscious
Well, I suppose the reason I have always believed that it denys the power of God is because if Gos is indeed Almighty and All powerful, then why would he have to use the process of evolution? Since I do see it as you said, that He designed us to have fellowship with Him, and in His image. I then figure, that He then just used His Power as God to create us immediately, the way He tells the story in Genesis. I suppose that is my biggest struggle.
i don't see why you view it as God "had" to do anything. God "could have" done anything, right? and what God did, should leave evidence behind that we can observe today, right?
wouldn't it be the same thing if God "had" to do it in 6 days? why not 5 days or 4 days? i don't see it as a "has to" thing.
even in the 6day literalist account, we are made after all the animals. it's not like we are created first in the YEC version either.
the assertion that God DID form the universe is something you and I both believe, as believers. God's hand in it takes belief.. but it's a mistake to take our belief into blind assumptions of how exactly the process went.
how God did it specifically? what process? why can't we figure that out with our God-given ability to observe and test, and better understand the physical world? that's what science is.
like, Christians believe that "God did it" regarding the process of birth.
but the sperm meets egg, the zygote becomes an embryo and then that becomes a fetus. that's what science tells us. and sciecne tells us exactly when during gestation the fingers grow, and the brain develops etc.
those things are helpful to know, and the bible isn't the book of science to tell us about those phyiscal processes.
First Mikey, I do apologize for offending you, it was not my intent. That reply was to your initial post, at which time I had not seen the 2 you posted after.
What I meant by the Word speaking for itself was not that we didn't have to read it, but that when we did read it, the power that is in the Word of God is capable of speaking to us, more specifically, to our spirit.
"the power that is in the Word of God is capable of speaking to us, more specifically, to our spirit."
i don't see what physical phenomena has to do with our spiritual well-being and salvation, nor do i see why God would actually tell anyone what happened in the physical world. if we didn't have the means to see how obvious it is that the world is round after weighing the possibilities rationally, most believers would be inclined to feel God tells them the earth is flat.
No need to continue Mikey. I can continue as well and truthfully, we could carry on this conversation until one or the other of us dies. While I admit, I enjoy the conversation and discussion, I still am looking for an answer to my other posts regarding you and your relationship to Jesus.
I suppose what I am looking for Mikey is our common ground. As I mentioned previously, regardless of all else, our relationship to Jesus is most important and what truly defines us.
The reality is, I don't have anything to tell you about my God. He is the One and ONLY God. All He wants you to know about Him, He tells you in His Word. I have nothing I can add to His Word, it speaks for itself.
If your God is not the one of the Bible, then indeed we do not have the same God.
the word does not speak for itself. we need to read it or hear it, or feel it through braille. there is also a level of methodological naturalism involved in reading the bible, and through sensory experience and into our human brain, there is potential due to our fallible human nature we can misinterpret the bible.
there is potential that a whole lot of us can misinterpret the bible, including myself and yourself.
i think whoever champions the name of Christ holds the responsibility to use his/her God-given brain to represent reason and faith. not just faith. just faith gets people believing in suicide bombing.
whoever champions the name of the one true God should be held accountable should he/she perpetuate an unnecessary divide, especially one that pushes education, understanding, and honesty into the corner opposite of the one true God this believer is supposedly promoting.
it's understandable why so many Christians are confused about the subject of science, and even though creationism is run on dishonesty, i am sure most creationists are in fact honest people who simply misunderstand and are confused about this thing (evolution theory) given the anti-God wrap it has with equally uneducated church leaders.
but creationists need to take the task of learning what it is they rebuke and why exactly they rebuke it.. it's gotta be done. this ignorance is out of hand.
Yes Mikey, I am ready to see the list, but please don't forget about the previous 2 posts by me... I am even more curious about your relationship with Jesus. It's more important than any other conversation we could have.
here are what seems to be the problems with those claims
1) science is a tentative ongoing and falsifiable process in the human endeavor to understand the physical world. those are necessary qualities of science. creationism shares NO qualities of science- it starts from a conclusion and tries to gather evidence around that spineless assumption (one narrowminded interpretation of a spiritual text.) creation science is not science at all.
Mikey, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here. The wide acceptance you claim of the scientific community is not as wide as you claim. There are many in the scientific community that do not agree with the theory of evolution. They span many scientific fields and their numbers grow constantly. The following link will take you to a document noting a Scientific Dissent to evolution and represents only a percentage of those who agree with its statement.
so that's what Christianity is about? ignorance, misunderstanding, and dishonesty about the PHYSICAL WORLD? something that has nothing to do with our salvation?
please. wake up. you're making Jesus-believing look like a complete exercise in delusion.
discovery institute calls themselves "creation scientists" don't they? is that not an oxymoron? are they being honest?
please go educate yourself about what science even is.
fundamentalist Christianity is OFFENSIVELY dishonest.
Certainly believing in Jesus does not call us to blind ourselves to the truth... I am increasingly curious though as to what you think Christianity is all about.
i'm a Christian myself. but it's only people like you that makes me really rethink if this whole faith is all baloney.
if God made the 2+2 seem like 4 but really it is 5 and we are to believe it equals 5, then God is a joker and we are his clowns.
if God wants us not only to fear science, but to misunderstand it, be purposely ignorant about it, and even LIE about it, then how can Christianity be the right religion?
that's all creationists make it out to be after all. a religion like any.
there are two sides to every issue, including whether or not the earth is flat.
but it's very clear who the delusional people are. the side that relies heavily on misconstruing physical evidence, using dishonest claims like "it's only a theory", quote mining, and throwing out the entire haystack of evidence for a few loose straws.
unfortunately, as intricate and detailed as science and evolution theory is, creationists can easily get away with unethical tactics, especially in we-don't-care-about-education America, crying persecution when anyone presents a more rational interpretation of genesis.
we are all fallible human beings even in reading the bible, and creationists seem to forget that.
It is so beautiful there is no argue agaist the croos...There will be no excuse when God ask us about his forgiven on the croos, if we accept or not.. God is love and the croos was the great proof...
ocelot, to be honest, you came off real arrogant and pretty ignorant in your comments. coming from a Christian. I would explore your own faith if I were you. It sounds like you have built it on some vulnerable logic and that is why you are so overly adament about making fun of evolution and anyone that believes it. no evolutionist thinks we decided we needed eyes. know the theory before you attack it.
hey, i explored my faith and he's right, and honestly i think ur da one who neesd to do da researching and u call ur self a christian, im telling you, YOU ARE NOT! A CHRISTIAN, if ur bout to chose da theory of evolution then ur not worthy to call uself a christian
yea it does,study christianity more, and dont give me that bull, i pray hat you would have more faith, cuz right now your disgarding your own faith to say we might've evolved from monekys, and i dont
k. i'll study it more. startling to me that everything in the Bible has to be literal, even the symbolic stuff. Just out of curiousity, why are there two (literal) creation stories that are in different order?
ps. accepted to seminary. probably starting this fall. spent summers as a missionary. pray every day. just do not know, exactly, how God created us and how, exactly, to interpret Genesis. Maybe you do, and maybe you are right.
of course, the Church refused to believe Galileo for quite some time. turned out he was right. yahoo 'christianity' and 'evolution' as a favor to me.
ps. I don't want to sound mad at you. I just don't understand the logic that evolution=atheist and i don't think Christians are doing themselves a lot of favors by making fun of evolutionists.
hey, this is soccerjon7, i have 2 accounts, and im not really understa nding you, its a simple thing, do u believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins?..just yes or no, dats it, no maybe, yes or no, and what do u mean 2 literal creations of the Earth
there is a lot of evidence people are older than 10,000 years like the Bible (taken literally) says. if you honsetly think you have an argument that beats people who have devoted their entire lives (and some of them Christian) to studying this you seem a little arrogant.
and i am Christian. i like your valor, and all, but you really need to research evolution. we have fossils connecting us to primates, mammals, all sorts of things. check the 'tiny humans' recently found...there is a lot of evidence the earth is older than 10,000 years old...
ocalot, you really need to do research. evolution is pretty proven. i can show you the development of man from invertabrates through fossils. doesnt make it true, but it makes it plausible.
Well actually pcrow4real, you can't show evolution through the fossil record. I have indeed been researching the science behind evolution, and it has been gradually been picked apart. As science has increased, many of evolutions theory's have been wiped out. It is unfortunate that our schools still have text books in them that have false information that has long since been disproven. The reality of science now is that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in Creation.
organizedchaos, you made some assertions in your comment that require a lot more explanation. "you can't show evolution through the fossil record." please explain this claim in detail, and also this assertion: "The reality of science now is that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in Creation." these are both not true.. not in the slightest. so i ask you to explain more coherently and precisely what brings you to these conclusions.
you are being very dishonest. "many of evolutions theory's have been wiped out." this is simply not true. i've heard creationists make these type of empty spineless claims time and again, but they are unable to provide a coherent and honest explanation for what leads you to say this.
Hi Mikey... sorry I did not respond sooner. I only now saw your comments as I left my original comment about 3 months ago. In any case, It would be quite impossible to give you a detailed response to anything here in YouTube as our comments are limited. However, my arguements are not spineless, I can give both coherent and honest explanations for why I say this... not that you will accept any of it, but I can give it.
While I am still a relative novice here on YouTube, maybe I can begin to present some of the information via Videos, and I can then post 'em. I have been considering doing this for a while now. I still have some stuff to learn about creating a decent video, but I will be attempting one soon. I will make it a point to address this subject.
all i care about is substance, buddy. so one paragraph will do. not a long conversation of empty rhetoric. just one paragraph, buddy. that's all it takes.
it's substance that's important.
quality over quantity.
one quality paragraph. one coherent and honest paragraph right here.
and, if "it takes more faith to believe in science" (a complete anti-knowledge pure conjecture within itself), then what value does faith have at all?
"believe by faith not by sight"- so doesn't that mean science is more correct than creationism? because faith is more important.
that attempt on your part at diminishing the importance of empiricism is completely contradictory to Christianity in general. it's ironic that creationists even find any value in saying such contradictory things.
see, when you diminish physical evidence and empiricism into the same level as faith in anything regarding the physical world, regardless of how absurd it is.. say, even the same level of faith it takes in believing you only began existing last tuesday, and your only under the impression that you've lived longer than a week, then there is no reason for you to believe the earth is round.
is that the type of "logic" you think Christianity is based on?
"The reality of science now is that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in Creation."
this is the type of empty, dishonest, rhetorical crap creationists rely on. creationists base their claims around.. what do you think, science is a conspiracy or what?
First off Mikey, I have NEVER said that Science was a conspiracy. You keep making statments that suggest that I do not believe in science. Unfortunately for you, I do believe in science a great deal, so that kills one of your attack methods in your attempts to discredit anything I say.
Second Mikey, lets not forget something here. As of yet, evolution is still considered to be a THEORY... meaning, not yet proven, but proposed as a possible explanation of the origin of man.
When something is a theory, it cannot simply be declared a fact hands down... as many people do, possibly you? While you prod me for information and facts to back the statements I have made, the fact is, the burden of proof is the evolutionist scientists to show that evolution is a fact.
Let's talk about evolution and Darwin's theory as it relates to the fossil record. Paleontologists have found the Cambrian period to be the earths oldest and richest fossil record. It is so extensive in the number of fossils that it is commonly referred to as the 'Cambrian Explosion'.
The Cambrian explosion presents a serious challenge to Darwinian evolution, because geologically speaking, it was so abrubt and extensive, including so many major groups of animals making their appearance all at once, meaning that phyla and classes appeared right at the start.
Darwin claims that phylum- and class-level differneces emerge only after a long history of divergence from lower categories such as species, genera, families and orders. Yet the Cambrian explosion is inconsistent with this picture.
As evolutionary theorist Jeffrey Schwartz put it, the major animal groups "appear in the fossil record as Athena did from the head of Zeus-full blown and raring to go."
you misunderstand what a scientific theory is. it is not just a conjecture or a mere assumption. a scientific "theory" is a well-substantiated framework describing a related set of proven related hypotheses about a physical phenomenon. gravity is also a theory. it's a very well-substantiated, very compelling theory much like evolution theory.
a closer comparison to a scientific theory is "music theory". none of those "theories" means a mere assumption or hunch like you seem to believe.
don't hold your breath for "facts". there are no "facts" in science, not even the earth being round, because "facts" are not useful in our endeavor to understand the physical world. if you do hear a scientist use the word "fact" it's only for the purpose of convenience and efficiency in casual communication regarding data (collecting data is step one of the scientific method- so in that case calling the data fact for the sake of efficiency is warranted)...
...nothing in science is really a "fact", because a "fact" would mean an unchanging conclusion, and that would be closer to dogma, that goes against the tentative, falsifiable, and useful/informative nature of science. there are no facts in science, so don't hold your breath.
but, given the physical evidence we can and have obtained, and by scientists doing science we can see the earth being round is AS GOOD as fact. gravity is AS GOOD as fact. the earth revolving around the sun is AS GOOD as fact. and so is evolution theory. it is as good as fact, and that is why it is the scientific consensus.
if you don't believe science is a conspiracy, why do you think virtually the entire scientific community accepts/realizes evolution?
as a follow up to the question i just asked you about why you think it is that virtually the entire scientific community realizes and accepts evolution theory...
why do you think scientists don't see the cambrian explosion as an obstacle against evolution?
how is the cambrian explosion a discredit to evolution?
look at them, they need two men that are probabaly pretty strong, to carry the cross..however, Jesus Christ, our lord and savior, alone, had to carry that cross, we can never ever feel the pain that Jesus christ had to go through for our sins, this video really moves me, makes me want to hunger and thirt for God more and more
preach it brother haha....the only logical thing on this earth is God but you have to study and seek into him and when you really seek after God he will start to reveal things and it all starts to make sence...and theres nothing better than having a peronal relationship with the almighty creator....
God is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end.....and wether you believe in him or not doesn't change the fact that he does exist!
Or you can just believe there was once a human with a lung and no heart..or a brain and no feet....OR lol....a face and no eyes....maybe he noticed he needed eyes and they popped up..rofl
So you think you can explain where we came from with evolution? Since you so confidently mention the unknown! Explain this....Give me a connection between two species? e.g Show me a human fossil with wings or claws..or scales or saber teeth!!! Since you so blindly believe in evolution einstein! hahahaha
Let me ask you something? If you believed there was a GOd what be your conception of him? In other words what is your definition of GOd. Answer that and you'll se believing in evolution is more crazier than believing in God :)
OCALOT2K5 Read the bible, HE created verything from NOTHING, YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES BELIEVE IN HE OR NOT!! BELEIVE IN HIS LOVE OR NOT, ACEPT THE SACRIFICE OF HIS SON OR NOT, JUST DECIDE!!DECIDE OR SHUT UP MAN!!
hey, i kno ur upset, and sad because of this person who doesnt kno the gospel and hasnt accepted christ in his life, but remember in the bible matthew chap 6 verse 44 - 45
it says" But i tell u: Love your enemies and pray for those who prosecute you that u may be the sons of your Father in heaven.
God is more than something that can be created. He was there before the world started. He is so much more than you think and could think. I get to know Him more and more but still get amazed because He seems to be everywhere...
GOD is not created, is a been no-created, HE IS, the created things exist, like you and me, but HE was not created, GOD had existed from the eternity for everylasting...sorry my poor English...but thouh you and me don't believe in HE, HE will follow being GOD!!
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MaaryFISIO 4 months ago
Original One Day In Nashville. My wife and I were there!!!!
jdaddy416 10 months ago
Great. Powerful.
GladiusLLC 1 year ago
hah i like how hes all laid back..with his shades on, hand in his pocket..come just as you are before God
kimlin 1 year ago
The drummer at 2:12 to 2:20.....What a Worshipper!
Timraan77 1 year ago 2
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Chris has good music and and good punches. He beat the CRAP out of out of some dude yesterday night in NYC after he called him a nigger , the guy was demolished. TMZ posted the video at tmzfights. com
fortuner1980 2 years ago
The cross that saves, you and me
raphalink7 2 years ago 2
These guys are so cool!
yet...
God's way cooler!!!
Thank you, Holy Spirit.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago 3
This video blesses me every time I see it. Especially at 3:30 when the guys start carrying a cross.
NateStein123 2 years ago 10
Yes brother I am right there with you! Every time I see them carrying the Cross! I tear up just thinking about it.
crossdr1978 2 years ago 2
Great one for Easter Sonrise.
calvarychapelhh 3 years ago 2
Thank you Lord for the wonderful cross.
bep003 3 years ago 2
I cant stop watching this video!! :)
hotpinkgal73 3 years ago 2
0:12-0:22 beautiful
repdaA 3 years ago
Can anyone tell me what this is from? I know I've seen a more condensed version (I want to say it was on the Wow 2000 Hits video), but I can't find it anywhere and that's what I'm looking for.
mistressofsound 3 years ago
This is OneDay 03, a Passion Conference.
jwuonog 3 years ago
Thank you!!
mistressofsound 3 years ago
we'll chat again. Thanx.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
Thanx Mikey, I would appreciate talking about it again sometime. Thanx for your time and your sincerity in our discussion. I appreciate it!
Have a good night sir!
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
I definitely get the evolution that you are describing. I do indeed believe in the evolutionary process within species. That much is very apparent to me.
I suppose where I get lost is the jump to Macro evolution. The change of one species to another. That is the one that seems soo much more random to me. I guess in my mind I alomost liken it to that random mutation of a baby being born with a 3rd arm...
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
macro and micro evolution are merely different measurements of the same thing going on (change in gene frequencies). you really can't have one without the other, especially given what's obvious in the fossil record, and what is clearly the geological age of the earth.
because humans did come around so recently, there is a substantiated fossil record for human evolution, despite common creationist claims.. i know it's a sensitive subject but i hope we can talk about it some time.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
mikeyflorida:hi, I'd like to discuss this sometime,too,friend.
Jallulah 3 years ago
By the way Mikey, you have not offended me. I have actually enjoyed this. I do sincerely ask you to help me understand your view of the creation story in the bible in light of evolution. How they tie together. I don't ask to be snide either. I truly would like to learn and understand how you come to your conclusions. Not to argue them with you, but truly to learn and understand.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
anyway, i hope i haven't offended you either.. that is also not my intention.
good night.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
There is a verse that the Lord brings to mind that also shapes my belief, it is:
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. Hebrews 11:3
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
Hebrews 11:3"
even a literal interpretation of this specific verse does NOT contradict or conflict at all with the current scientific understanding of the universe.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
I suppose that in relationship to this verse, and what I read in Genesis, I apparently have a more literal interpretation of God's creation than you.
I suppose, for me, it comes down to what the definition of evolution is... if it is, at its base level, the belief that species developed by chance and mutation over a long period of time, until man finally came into being, then I struggle iwth it.
Does that not deny the power of God then? If we evolved, then why do we need God?
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
evolution is very specific to the species' environment.. the only thing that seems to be random (and yes, scientists do say it's random) are mutations... such as, if you had a child with 3 arms.. that is the type of random mutation that is, well, "random". evolution is very specific to the environment, so like natural selection describes, if humans with the random mutation of 3 arms has a benefit in their environment to survive, that trait will be more prominent in future generations.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
... and the traits that are detrimental to survival will become less and less prominent. evolution is very specific to the environment.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
i don't see how that would at all deny the power of God.. just the fact that beings such as us exist, we are aware and practice morality and such is reason to believe.
what difference does it make if life evolved over billions of years or if it all came at once and existed all at once in the snap of a finger?
i really don't see how either way it would deny the power of God.
we need God because we are designed by God to have felllowship with God. we practice morality etc. we are conscious
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
Well, I suppose the reason I have always believed that it denys the power of God is because if Gos is indeed Almighty and All powerful, then why would he have to use the process of evolution? Since I do see it as you said, that He designed us to have fellowship with Him, and in His image. I then figure, that He then just used His Power as God to create us immediately, the way He tells the story in Genesis. I suppose that is my biggest struggle.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
i don't see why you view it as God "had" to do anything. God "could have" done anything, right? and what God did, should leave evidence behind that we can observe today, right?
wouldn't it be the same thing if God "had" to do it in 6 days? why not 5 days or 4 days? i don't see it as a "has to" thing.
even in the 6day literalist account, we are made after all the animals. it's not like we are created first in the YEC version either.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
i need to sleep, can we chat again? i'll message you another day if that's okay.
good night
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
the assertion that God DID form the universe is something you and I both believe, as believers. God's hand in it takes belief.. but it's a mistake to take our belief into blind assumptions of how exactly the process went.
how God did it specifically? what process? why can't we figure that out with our God-given ability to observe and test, and better understand the physical world? that's what science is.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
like, Christians believe that "God did it" regarding the process of birth.
but the sperm meets egg, the zygote becomes an embryo and then that becomes a fetus. that's what science tells us. and sciecne tells us exactly when during gestation the fingers grow, and the brain develops etc.
those things are helpful to know, and the bible isn't the book of science to tell us about those phyiscal processes.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
First Mikey, I do apologize for offending you, it was not my intent. That reply was to your initial post, at which time I had not seen the 2 you posted after.
What I meant by the Word speaking for itself was not that we didn't have to read it, but that when we did read it, the power that is in the Word of God is capable of speaking to us, more specifically, to our spirit.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
"the power that is in the Word of God is capable of speaking to us, more specifically, to our spirit."
i don't see what physical phenomena has to do with our spiritual well-being and salvation, nor do i see why God would actually tell anyone what happened in the physical world. if we didn't have the means to see how obvious it is that the world is round after weighing the possibilities rationally, most believers would be inclined to feel God tells them the earth is flat.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
No need to continue Mikey. I can continue as well and truthfully, we could carry on this conversation until one or the other of us dies. While I admit, I enjoy the conversation and discussion, I still am looking for an answer to my other posts regarding you and your relationship to Jesus.
I suppose what I am looking for Mikey is our common ground. As I mentioned previously, regardless of all else, our relationship to Jesus is most important and what truly defines us.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
assuming you believe the earth is round, would you take a flat-earth believer seriously when this flat-earth believer tells you about his god?
frankly, you and I believe in two completely different deities even if we call him the same thing.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
Thanx Mikey, you have answered my question.
The reality is, I don't have anything to tell you about my God. He is the One and ONLY God. All He wants you to know about Him, He tells you in His Word. I have nothing I can add to His Word, it speaks for itself.
If your God is not the one of the Bible, then indeed we do not have the same God.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
"If your God is not the one of the Bible, then indeed we do not have the same God."
what did i say to give you that impression?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
that's pretty offensive, what you just said. but what can a person like you do but to accuse me of being the one who does not champion the bible.
i'm not surprised.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
the word does not speak for itself. we need to read it or hear it, or feel it through braille. there is also a level of methodological naturalism involved in reading the bible, and through sensory experience and into our human brain, there is potential due to our fallible human nature we can misinterpret the bible.
there is potential that a whole lot of us can misinterpret the bible, including myself and yourself.
do you agree with me on that?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
i think whoever champions the name of Christ holds the responsibility to use his/her God-given brain to represent reason and faith. not just faith. just faith gets people believing in suicide bombing.
whoever champions the name of the one true God should be held accountable should he/she perpetuate an unnecessary divide, especially one that pushes education, understanding, and honesty into the corner opposite of the one true God this believer is supposedly promoting.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
it's understandable why so many Christians are confused about the subject of science, and even though creationism is run on dishonesty, i am sure most creationists are in fact honest people who simply misunderstand and are confused about this thing (evolution theory) given the anti-God wrap it has with equally uneducated church leaders.
but creationists need to take the task of learning what it is they rebuke and why exactly they rebuke it.. it's gotta be done. this ignorance is out of hand.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
Yes Mikey, I am ready to see the list, but please don't forget about the previous 2 posts by me... I am even more curious about your relationship with Jesus. It's more important than any other conversation we could have.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
I am interested in something else as well. You asked me to back up the statements I made with reasons, which I did.
Now it's my turn to ask you to back up some currently unsubstantiated claims you have made in several of your comments below...
You have stated, "creationists can easily get away with unethical tactics" and "misconstruing physical evidence, using dishonest claims".
Please give proof that these general statements are true, what tactics and what claims?
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
okay. it's a long list. ready?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
1) "creation science" is an actual science.
2) evolution theory is anti-God
3) evolution theory says we came from monkeys
4) evolution has something to do with abiogenesis and the big bang
5) evolution is one of the causes of the holocaust
6) evolution is "just a theory"
7) radiometric dating is inaccurate
8) there are no transitional forms in the fossil record
i'll just stop there for now. those are all typical creationist misunderstandings or lies, depending on the person.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
and those are lies or misunderstandings when put up against what scientists actually say. none of those claims are true at all.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
here are what seems to be the problems with those claims
1) science is a tentative ongoing and falsifiable process in the human endeavor to understand the physical world. those are necessary qualities of science. creationism shares NO qualities of science- it starts from a conclusion and tries to gather evidence around that spineless assumption (one narrowminded interpretation of a spiritual text.) creation science is not science at all.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
do you want me to continue?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
Mikey, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here. The wide acceptance you claim of the scientific community is not as wide as you claim. There are many in the scientific community that do not agree with the theory of evolution. They span many scientific fields and their numbers grow constantly. The following link will take you to a document noting a Scientific Dissent to evolution and represents only a percentage of those who agree with its statement.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
Since Youtube will apparently not allow me to post a website, I have sent you a message with website in it.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
so that's what Christianity is about? ignorance, misunderstanding, and dishonesty about the PHYSICAL WORLD? something that has nothing to do with our salvation?
please. wake up. you're making Jesus-believing look like a complete exercise in delusion.
discovery institute calls themselves "creation scientists" don't they? is that not an oxymoron? are they being honest?
please go educate yourself about what science even is.
fundamentalist Christianity is OFFENSIVELY dishonest.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
Quick question Mikey... do you 'BELIEVE' in Jesus?
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
and if you do believe in Jesus, what is He to you?
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
if i believe in Jesus, do i need to believe the earth is flat? is that what Christianity is about?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
Mikey, I have no idea what you believe about who Jesus is to you. Nor do I know how you interpret the Bible. I am curious to know though.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
Certainly believing in Jesus does not call us to blind ourselves to the truth... I am increasingly curious though as to what you think Christianity is all about.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
i'm a Christian myself. but it's only people like you that makes me really rethink if this whole faith is all baloney.
if God made the 2+2 seem like 4 but really it is 5 and we are to believe it equals 5, then God is a joker and we are his clowns.
if God wants us not only to fear science, but to misunderstand it, be purposely ignorant about it, and even LIE about it, then how can Christianity be the right religion?
that's all creationists make it out to be after all. a religion like any.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
there are two sides to every issue, including whether or not the earth is flat.
but it's very clear who the delusional people are. the side that relies heavily on misconstruing physical evidence, using dishonest claims like "it's only a theory", quote mining, and throwing out the entire haystack of evidence for a few loose straws.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
unfortunately, as intricate and detailed as science and evolution theory is, creationists can easily get away with unethical tactics, especially in we-don't-care-about-education America, crying persecution when anyone presents a more rational interpretation of genesis.
we are all fallible human beings even in reading the bible, and creationists seem to forget that.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
pouring contempt on my pride... to me its more like realizing that my pride is deception from Satan. Pride is evil. Grace and peace be with you.
mtswann 3 years ago
It is so beautiful there is no argue agaist the croos...There will be no excuse when God ask us about his forgiven on the croos, if we accept or not.. God is love and the croos was the great proof...
adeiltonns 3 years ago
AWESOME
batistafloramar 3 years ago
sim, eu amo a mensagem da cruz
eu quero mais de tí Deus na minha vida
reina sobre mim...
maxdefranca 3 years ago 2
So blessing...No wonder why i hate "real concerts"...such as heavy metal concerts...i do not enjoy them anymore.
I need to go to a Christian Rock concert...but noone is playing in my entire state...Where they all at? I need some Chris Tomlin/Matt Redman NOWW!!!
This is so touching, thank you, God bless.!
apdunshiz18 4 years ago
just be happy you're not from vermont. i think in our history we had a rock conert once.
foster21 4 years ago
LIFT HIGH THE CROSS of the Glorious Lamb of GOD: worship Him and give Him honor all ye of the redeemed of THE LORD !
lenbenhear 4 years ago 6
Deserves my life and my all....so incredibly true--Lord, please help me to imitate your act of giving by giving my ALL to you.
joesouth07 4 years ago
ocelot, to be honest, you came off real arrogant and pretty ignorant in your comments. coming from a Christian. I would explore your own faith if I were you. It sounds like you have built it on some vulnerable logic and that is why you are so overly adament about making fun of evolution and anyone that believes it. no evolutionist thinks we decided we needed eyes. know the theory before you attack it.
pcrow4real 4 years ago
hey, i explored my faith and he's right, and honestly i think ur da one who neesd to do da researching and u call ur self a christian, im telling you, YOU ARE NOT! A CHRISTIAN, if ur bout to chose da theory of evolution then ur not worthy to call uself a christian
soccerjon7 4 years ago
so, you are saying you are in a position to say who is saved and who is not?
my relationship with God, with Jesus, means nothing? just that i dont automatically accept a literal meaning of genesis means i am not a christian?
pcrow4real 4 years ago
yea it does,study christianity more, and dont give me that bull, i pray hat you would have more faith, cuz right now your disgarding your own faith to say we might've evolved from monekys, and i dont
soccerjon7 4 years ago
k. i'll study it more. startling to me that everything in the Bible has to be literal, even the symbolic stuff. Just out of curiousity, why are there two (literal) creation stories that are in different order?
ps. accepted to seminary. probably starting this fall. spent summers as a missionary. pray every day. just do not know, exactly, how God created us and how, exactly, to interpret Genesis. Maybe you do, and maybe you are right.
pcrow4real 4 years ago
of course, the Church refused to believe Galileo for quite some time. turned out he was right. yahoo 'christianity' and 'evolution' as a favor to me.
ps. I don't want to sound mad at you. I just don't understand the logic that evolution=atheist and i don't think Christians are doing themselves a lot of favors by making fun of evolutionists.
pcrow4real 4 years ago
hey, this is soccerjon7, i have 2 accounts, and im not really understa nding you, its a simple thing, do u believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins?..just yes or no, dats it, no maybe, yes or no, and what do u mean 2 literal creations of the Earth
cheesewaffle 4 years ago
stop arguing
the only important is GOD IS GOOD
HE BORE THE CROSS AND HE WONT DO IT AGAIN!
REMEMBER THAT!!!!
AznHDC 4 years ago
there is a lot of evidence people are older than 10,000 years like the Bible (taken literally) says. if you honsetly think you have an argument that beats people who have devoted their entire lives (and some of them Christian) to studying this you seem a little arrogant.
pcrow4real 4 years ago
and i am Christian. i like your valor, and all, but you really need to research evolution. we have fossils connecting us to primates, mammals, all sorts of things. check the 'tiny humans' recently found...there is a lot of evidence the earth is older than 10,000 years old...
pcrow4real 4 years ago
ocalot, you really need to do research. evolution is pretty proven. i can show you the development of man from invertabrates through fossils. doesnt make it true, but it makes it plausible.
pcrow4real 4 years ago
Well actually pcrow4real, you can't show evolution through the fossil record. I have indeed been researching the science behind evolution, and it has been gradually been picked apart. As science has increased, many of evolutions theory's have been wiped out. It is unfortunate that our schools still have text books in them that have false information that has long since been disproven. The reality of science now is that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in Creation.
organizedchaos63 4 years ago
organizedchaos, you made some assertions in your comment that require a lot more explanation. "you can't show evolution through the fossil record." please explain this claim in detail, and also this assertion: "The reality of science now is that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in Creation." these are both not true.. not in the slightest. so i ask you to explain more coherently and precisely what brings you to these conclusions.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
you are being very dishonest. "many of evolutions theory's have been wiped out." this is simply not true. i've heard creationists make these type of empty spineless claims time and again, but they are unable to provide a coherent and honest explanation for what leads you to say this.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
"It is unfortunate that our schools still have text books in them that have false information that has long since been disproven."
this claim is also far from true.. explain please? list some examples of false info used by scientists today?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
Hi Mikey... sorry I did not respond sooner. I only now saw your comments as I left my original comment about 3 months ago. In any case, It would be quite impossible to give you a detailed response to anything here in YouTube as our comments are limited. However, my arguements are not spineless, I can give both coherent and honest explanations for why I say this... not that you will accept any of it, but I can give it.
I would enjoy a conversation with you Mikey.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
While I am still a relative novice here on YouTube, maybe I can begin to present some of the information via Videos, and I can then post 'em. I have been considering doing this for a while now. I still have some stuff to learn about creating a decent video, but I will be attempting one soon. I will make it a point to address this subject.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
if what you say is true, it shouldn't be hard for you to give me one paragraph right now.
one concise explanation for what you said.
oh, and it has to be coherent and honest.
i'm waiting.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
all i care about is substance, buddy. so one paragraph will do. not a long conversation of empty rhetoric. just one paragraph, buddy. that's all it takes.
it's substance that's important.
quality over quantity.
one quality paragraph. one coherent and honest paragraph right here.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
and, if "it takes more faith to believe in science" (a complete anti-knowledge pure conjecture within itself), then what value does faith have at all?
"believe by faith not by sight"- so doesn't that mean science is more correct than creationism? because faith is more important.
that attempt on your part at diminishing the importance of empiricism is completely contradictory to Christianity in general. it's ironic that creationists even find any value in saying such contradictory things.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
see, when you diminish physical evidence and empiricism into the same level as faith in anything regarding the physical world, regardless of how absurd it is.. say, even the same level of faith it takes in believing you only began existing last tuesday, and your only under the impression that you've lived longer than a week, then there is no reason for you to believe the earth is round.
is that the type of "logic" you think Christianity is based on?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
"The reality of science now is that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in Creation."
this is the type of empty, dishonest, rhetorical crap creationists rely on. creationists base their claims around.. what do you think, science is a conspiracy or what?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
First off Mikey, I have NEVER said that Science was a conspiracy. You keep making statments that suggest that I do not believe in science. Unfortunately for you, I do believe in science a great deal, so that kills one of your attack methods in your attempts to discredit anything I say.
Second Mikey, lets not forget something here. As of yet, evolution is still considered to be a THEORY... meaning, not yet proven, but proposed as a possible explanation of the origin of man.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
When something is a theory, it cannot simply be declared a fact hands down... as many people do, possibly you? While you prod me for information and facts to back the statements I have made, the fact is, the burden of proof is the evolutionist scientists to show that evolution is a fact.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
Let's talk about evolution and Darwin's theory as it relates to the fossil record. Paleontologists have found the Cambrian period to be the earths oldest and richest fossil record. It is so extensive in the number of fossils that it is commonly referred to as the 'Cambrian Explosion'.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
The Cambrian explosion presents a serious challenge to Darwinian evolution, because geologically speaking, it was so abrubt and extensive, including so many major groups of animals making their appearance all at once, meaning that phyla and classes appeared right at the start.
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
Darwin claims that phylum- and class-level differneces emerge only after a long history of divergence from lower categories such as species, genera, families and orders. Yet the Cambrian explosion is inconsistent with this picture.
As evolutionary theorist Jeffrey Schwartz put it, the major animal groups "appear in the fossil record as Athena did from the head of Zeus-full blown and raring to go."
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
Well Mikey, that was as short as I could make it, all quality, not quantity. Each word carefully measured and meaningful.
This is the information that I used when I made the statemtn, "the fossil record does not prove evolution".
organizedchaos63 3 years ago
you misunderstand what a scientific theory is. it is not just a conjecture or a mere assumption. a scientific "theory" is a well-substantiated framework describing a related set of proven related hypotheses about a physical phenomenon. gravity is also a theory. it's a very well-substantiated, very compelling theory much like evolution theory.
a closer comparison to a scientific theory is "music theory". none of those "theories" means a mere assumption or hunch like you seem to believe.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
don't hold your breath for "facts". there are no "facts" in science, not even the earth being round, because "facts" are not useful in our endeavor to understand the physical world. if you do hear a scientist use the word "fact" it's only for the purpose of convenience and efficiency in casual communication regarding data (collecting data is step one of the scientific method- so in that case calling the data fact for the sake of efficiency is warranted)...
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
...nothing in science is really a "fact", because a "fact" would mean an unchanging conclusion, and that would be closer to dogma, that goes against the tentative, falsifiable, and useful/informative nature of science. there are no facts in science, so don't hold your breath.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
but, given the physical evidence we can and have obtained, and by scientists doing science we can see the earth being round is AS GOOD as fact. gravity is AS GOOD as fact. the earth revolving around the sun is AS GOOD as fact. and so is evolution theory. it is as good as fact, and that is why it is the scientific consensus.
if you don't believe science is a conspiracy, why do you think virtually the entire scientific community accepts/realizes evolution?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
as a follow up to the question i just asked you about why you think it is that virtually the entire scientific community realizes and accepts evolution theory...
why do you think scientists don't see the cambrian explosion as an obstacle against evolution?
how is the cambrian explosion a discredit to evolution?
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago
look at them, they need two men that are probabaly pretty strong, to carry the cross..however, Jesus Christ, our lord and savior, alone, had to carry that cross, we can never ever feel the pain that Jesus christ had to go through for our sins, this video really moves me, makes me want to hunger and thirt for God more and more
cheesewaffle 4 years ago
watching this moves my spirit. all i can say is "JESUS!"
kserrano35 4 years ago
¡Escándalo para los judios,necedad para los
gentiles...!Para nosotros:maravillosa Cruz
en la que fuiste clavado y nos redimiste.
Ichthys3 4 years ago
OH THE WONDERFULL CROSS
bids me come and die to Find that I may truly live
amen this song is sooooooo sweet =D makes me cry and want to play guitar on it ^-^
thanks for uploading
god bless you
KwGeagle 4 years ago
preach it brother haha....the only logical thing on this earth is God but you have to study and seek into him and when you really seek after God he will start to reveal things and it all starts to make sence...and theres nothing better than having a peronal relationship with the almighty creator....
deadpoetic08900 4 years ago
TNPcrazy or anyone else who thinks he can proof to me evolution is more logical bring it on...hahahaha..
ocalot2k5 4 years ago
God is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end.....and wether you believe in him or not doesn't change the fact that he does exist!
Or you can just believe there was once a human with a lung and no heart..or a brain and no feet....OR lol....a face and no eyes....maybe he noticed he needed eyes and they popped up..rofl
ocalot2k5 4 years ago
When you're tired of searching come back and tell me again you believe all that crap in school! hahahahha
ocalot2k5 4 years ago
So you think you can explain where we came from with evolution? Since you so confidently mention the unknown! Explain this....Give me a connection between two species? e.g Show me a human fossil with wings or claws..or scales or saber teeth!!! Since you so blindly believe in evolution einstein! hahahaha
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vivalacoll 4 years ago
its simple! just believe then u see. im gonna give my all to JESUS my saviour!
raymund3 4 years ago
Let me ask you something? If you believed there was a GOd what be your conception of him? In other words what is your definition of GOd. Answer that and you'll se believing in evolution is more crazier than believing in God :)
ocalot2k5 4 years ago
definition: something invented by human beings to explain the unknown
TNPCrazy 4 years ago
Explain how the universe evolved from nothing...BAM!
ocalot2k5 4 years ago
OCALOT2K5 Read the bible, HE created verything from NOTHING, YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES BELIEVE IN HE OR NOT!! BELEIVE IN HIS LOVE OR NOT, ACEPT THE SACRIFICE OF HIS SON OR NOT, JUST DECIDE!!DECIDE OR SHUT UP MAN!!
Eliasguerram78 4 years ago
hey, i kno ur upset, and sad because of this person who doesnt kno the gospel and hasnt accepted christ in his life, but remember in the bible matthew chap 6 verse 44 - 45
it says" But i tell u: Love your enemies and pray for those who prosecute you that u may be the sons of your Father in heaven.
cheesewaffle 4 years ago
Great video very humbling.
teeysol4u 4 years ago
No offence!! BUt you cant even pocket your hands infront of your boss!! WHy is MATT doing that to GOD!!! :(
ocalot2k5 4 years ago
I found that a life without the existence of a God is useless, its nothing...
But God exists, he proves that every time I ask Him...
I thank God that he exists and thinks about me every day. He loves me, cares about me and like to see me up in heaven, thats why He sent His Son :D
Thank You God!
Bouwdoos 4 years ago
If God isn't real, then explain how you were created?
motox2202005 4 years ago
explain how god was created...BAM!
TNPCrazy 4 years ago
God is more than something that can be created. He was there before the world started. He is so much more than you think and could think. I get to know Him more and more but still get amazed because He seems to be everywhere...
God is Great!
Bouwdoos 4 years ago
jeje God does'n exist, HE is, the human been exist couse is created, but GOD is from eternity to everylasting is not create...BAM!!
Eliasguerram78 4 years ago
GOD is not created, is a been no-created, HE IS, the created things exist, like you and me, but HE was not created, GOD had existed from the eternity for everylasting...sorry my poor English...but thouh you and me don't believe in HE, HE will follow being GOD!!
Eliasguerram78 4 years ago
where was this?
OpataOlende 4 years ago
NIce video!
razmc32 4 years ago
wow~so many people:D
rachel0503 4 years ago
I liked, its very holy and I can see the grace of the Lord in each word and image of every one....! God Bless You Always...
cistelcom 4 years ago
God is good!
Jesus4life2 4 years ago