re: Subaltern - psst we are all SUBalterns by their standards cuz we aint hEARing. the question is when and how r we gonna be subaltern REBELS - read the book Bunjer. Either you have no idea what we have been doing or you are hopeless. I hate to give up hope so im just gonna cut you loose again until i SEE you actually do something instead of trying to bully folks into doing nothing like what u do. "Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you." ~ TJ
hmmm my "get lost and be gone bully" comment seems to have gotten lost and gone away. Regardless despite the advise that it is what will work instead of direct confrontation we see that simply saying "get lost and be gone" does NOT work. Instead it just emboldens the attacker to keep on. So too with AG Bell and AVT & CI - if we do not stand and challenge them - if we just say "get lost and be gone" or ignore them - we ARE ENABLING them. "come the avarice... come attrition...come bell..." V p
See my comments under that vlog.. NLDesierto (Jeff) is correct, and I support his VLOG.. He has the same philosphy as I do.. I suggested in my comments that we need to Stand up against the "AXIS of Evil" ICED. AGBELL, and EDHI.. They are the Audist Bullies we need get rid of..
"Get Lost and be Gone Bullies".. Problem is that Deaf people tend to crawl and beg going after the three AXIS of Evil and ...try to reason with them. Bullies don't reason but oppress Deaf and laugh all the way to the bank. Sheesh! Wish Deaf Leaders can learn to stop being SUBALTERNS working for hearing. Subalterns need to stop tell hearing what Deaf want. Subalterns are afraid of standing up and be equals. Subalterns allow hearing to decide what Deaf want instead.
What's so about hard being equal instead of being sub to hearing people! Hearing will never listen and oppress Deaf through the Hearing Political System.. That is not Democracy being oppressed as a Deaf Person trying to live a Deaf Centered Life depending and allowing hearing to protect our ASL and our Cultural Core Values of our Deafhood! Hearing never will obviously.. Subalterns don't get it! Deaf need to learn how to stand equal to hearing people instead of putting Deaf down..
@pdurr Best stragety, tell the public that ICED, AGBELL and EDHI are the "Three Axis of Evil". The Audist Bullies need to go away, be gone! Stop Dealing with them to work things out. Bullies never reason. 2nd thing.. Deaf ASL Communities are able to decide what is best the Deaf Centric way in name of Democacy.. Never be a subaltern allowing hearing to decide what is best for the Deaf Communities.. That's not democracy but oppression! Insult your intelligence or be radical for positive change!
@pdurr I seen how you go to ICED, AGBELL and EDHI anyway. You are always escastic and excited about them working with the colonized subaltern elites and the elite subalterns, and you are making a big mistake trying to deal with them. You would not even admit and even dare to call them the "Audist bullies". You won't have my respect especially when you go up to these Audists. They are the real bullies who wants your attention to get what they want so be it. Be gone subaltern.
Bunjer, Do you listen to nobody? So why should we listen to you? Get it? If not, then go row your own boat. If not, then sorry you, but you are spinning the wheels until tires burn and go no where. You are all talk and no action.
@heeheeluck Reason with AGBELL and think they will change? Why depend on that bully? I told you to tell that Audist Organization to get lost instead. Why need and reason with them? Why tell that bully what to do? Your actions are a waste your time you could do better. I told you before, you only spinning your wheels or rowing a ship with one oar going in circles. You will get no where, and need AGB? Best way, AGBELL to cease and desist and Deaf be in postitive control of our Deaf Communities!
@Bunjer Who says AFA and DBC are trying to "reason with AGBell"? I think Sean Gerlis and a few of our current Deaf organization "leaders" (board members/CEO's/lawyers) such as CEASD and NAD have individually mentioned ideas of sitting at table with AGBell to develop compromises to "win" better legislation. I disagree with them, but it's all part of processing unity for our Deaf children. Personally, I think they'd be better working w allies and ignoring AGBell till AGB no more audist injustice
@ASLElla Deaf Centered Politics of and for Deaf People can work out doing things the ASL Deaf Communities think best! Alllies can work with us shutting AGB out especially getting rid all the audist colonizing injustice, then I agree. Otherwise we are in a vicious cycle that repeats itself. Continually suffer oppression by depending on hearing allies and Audists in control, not us is what we are doing exactly keeping us out of touch from our ASL Deaf Cultural base and our Core Center Values.
@bunjer hey! Suggest you remove your comment to pdurr here. I know u think u re telling the truth but you are doing it blindly just because you were slighted. Knowing pdurr as I do, what happened is of your own request not hers. LEARN from pdurr of what standing up for truth WITH the oppressor is a damn courageous and appropriate way to do. I emphasize ONE way, not the only way. So do it your way but dont u dare pull down others who are doing it in support of Deaf future and at same time being
@ASLElla Patti should stop including you too. Not only AFA goes to AGBELL and try to reason with the bully, but so does DBC! Going to ICED and AGBAD, and even EDHI. Totally a waste of time reasoning with the bullies. Easiest way, tell them to cease and desist, and/or get the hell out of the Deaf Communities. They do more damage than any good! Yet you go to them! Enabling them bullies who are not your ALLIES the first place!. Want them to stick around and continue to exploit us forever? HELL NO!
@Bunjer Not sure I am following you. And Im also not sure you are following AFA and DBC and what they re trying to do. What I know of their thinking and action and what you said about them are very different. I know you have NOT been to any of their functions or rallies, nor have you ACTED (other than typing and signing on the internet) what you believe in (as far as I know). Until you start matching your ACTIONS to what you SAY, I have a difficult time embracing your commands/suggestions. Sorry
@ASLElla@ASLElla I believe you if you literally tell ICED, AGBELL and EDHI to "Get lost, and BULLIES be gone". I have not seen that yet. I saw DBC ask AGBELL to tear down the wall and allow ASL instead of telling AGBELL to go away.. See my point yet? I ain't dumb, and don't need action to prove anything yet. You do go to people like AGBELL to reason and beg them to change instead of telling them to go away. You wont allow Deaf Centered Politics to equal.. Sorry you go after heagbring do for u.
Well said, Tumbleweed! The truth is hard but necessary. This is what we need to do - explore new, positive, bold and exciting ways of approaching the wide world than what we have learned under Oralist Colonialism. And challenge each other whenever we see our own people continuing the colonialist lessons we have learned the past 130+ years of how to submit to the majority and demanding others who desire true freedom as Deaf people to shut up.
Patti, guess what I think about ya. You go as far as running to AGBELL and ask him to please add ASL.. Why would you go to that AGBELL building the first place? Depending on them to enable them to patronize our Deaf people even further? And you cut me off the highway back down the road, and I had to pull myself out of the ditch not more than once.. Guess what I am gonna do this time.. Tell you off.. You enable AGBELL by going to them, after depending on ICED. UGH! Enablinng ICED/AGBELL.. STOP!
re: Subaltern - psst we are all SUBalterns by their standards cuz we aint hEARing. the question is when and how r we gonna be subaltern REBELS - read the book Bunjer. Either you have no idea what we have been doing or you are hopeless. I hate to give up hope so im just gonna cut you loose again until i SEE you actually do something instead of trying to bully folks into doing nothing like what u do. "Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you." ~ TJ
pdurr 2 months ago
hmmm my "get lost and be gone bully" comment seems to have gotten lost and gone away. Regardless despite the advise that it is what will work instead of direct confrontation we see that simply saying "get lost and be gone" does NOT work. Instead it just emboldens the attacker to keep on. So too with AG Bell and AVT & CI - if we do not stand and challenge them - if we just say "get lost and be gone" or ignore them - we ARE ENABLING them. "come the avarice... come attrition...come bell..." V p
pdurr 2 months ago
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See my comments under that vlog.. NLDesierto (Jeff) is correct, and I support his VLOG.. He has the same philosphy as I do.. I suggested in my comments that we need to Stand up against the "AXIS of Evil" ICED. AGBELL, and EDHI.. They are the Audist Bullies we need get rid of..
Bunjer 2 months ago
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"Get Lost and be Gone Bullies".. Problem is that Deaf people tend to crawl and beg going after the three AXIS of Evil and ...try to reason with them. Bullies don't reason but oppress Deaf and laugh all the way to the bank. Sheesh! Wish Deaf Leaders can learn to stop being SUBALTERNS working for hearing. Subalterns need to stop tell hearing what Deaf want. Subalterns are afraid of standing up and be equals. Subalterns allow hearing to decide what Deaf want instead.
Bunjer 2 months ago
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What's so about hard being equal instead of being sub to hearing people! Hearing will never listen and oppress Deaf through the Hearing Political System.. That is not Democracy being oppressed as a Deaf Person trying to live a Deaf Centered Life depending and allowing hearing to protect our ASL and our Cultural Core Values of our Deafhood! Hearing never will obviously.. Subalterns don't get it! Deaf need to learn how to stand equal to hearing people instead of putting Deaf down..
Bunjer 2 months ago
@pdurr Best stragety, tell the public that ICED, AGBELL and EDHI are the "Three Axis of Evil". The Audist Bullies need to go away, be gone! Stop Dealing with them to work things out. Bullies never reason. 2nd thing.. Deaf ASL Communities are able to decide what is best the Deaf Centric way in name of Democacy.. Never be a subaltern allowing hearing to decide what is best for the Deaf Communities.. That's not democracy but oppression! Insult your intelligence or be radical for positive change!
Bunjer 2 months ago
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@pdurr I seen how you go to ICED, AGBELL and EDHI anyway. You are always escastic and excited about them working with the colonized subaltern elites and the elite subalterns, and you are making a big mistake trying to deal with them. You would not even admit and even dare to call them the "Audist bullies". You won't have my respect especially when you go up to these Audists. They are the real bullies who wants your attention to get what they want so be it. Be gone subaltern.
Peace
Mike...
Bunjer 2 months ago
Bunjer, Do you listen to nobody? So why should we listen to you? Get it? If not, then go row your own boat. If not, then sorry you, but you are spinning the wheels until tires burn and go no where. You are all talk and no action.
heeheeluck 2 months ago
@heeheeluck Reason with AGBELL and think they will change? Why depend on that bully? I told you to tell that Audist Organization to get lost instead. Why need and reason with them? Why tell that bully what to do? Your actions are a waste your time you could do better. I told you before, you only spinning your wheels or rowing a ship with one oar going in circles. You will get no where, and need AGB? Best way, AGBELL to cease and desist and Deaf be in postitive control of our Deaf Communities!
Bunjer 2 months ago
@Bunjer Who says AFA and DBC are trying to "reason with AGBell"? I think Sean Gerlis and a few of our current Deaf organization "leaders" (board members/CEO's/lawyers) such as CEASD and NAD have individually mentioned ideas of sitting at table with AGBell to develop compromises to "win" better legislation. I disagree with them, but it's all part of processing unity for our Deaf children. Personally, I think they'd be better working w allies and ignoring AGBell till AGB no more audist injustice
ASLElla 2 months ago
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@ASLElla Deaf Centered Politics of and for Deaf People can work out doing things the ASL Deaf Communities think best! Alllies can work with us shutting AGB out especially getting rid all the audist colonizing injustice, then I agree. Otherwise we are in a vicious cycle that repeats itself. Continually suffer oppression by depending on hearing allies and Audists in control, not us is what we are doing exactly keeping us out of touch from our ASL Deaf Cultural base and our Core Center Values.
Bunjer 2 months ago
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Bunjer 2 months ago
@bunjer hey! Suggest you remove your comment to pdurr here. I know u think u re telling the truth but you are doing it blindly just because you were slighted. Knowing pdurr as I do, what happened is of your own request not hers. LEARN from pdurr of what standing up for truth WITH the oppressor is a damn courageous and appropriate way to do. I emphasize ONE way, not the only way. So do it your way but dont u dare pull down others who are doing it in support of Deaf future and at same time being
ASLElla 2 months ago
@ASLElla Patti should stop including you too. Not only AFA goes to AGBELL and try to reason with the bully, but so does DBC! Going to ICED and AGBAD, and even EDHI. Totally a waste of time reasoning with the bullies. Easiest way, tell them to cease and desist, and/or get the hell out of the Deaf Communities. They do more damage than any good! Yet you go to them! Enabling them bullies who are not your ALLIES the first place!. Want them to stick around and continue to exploit us forever? HELL NO!
Bunjer 2 months ago
@Bunjer Not sure I am following you. And Im also not sure you are following AFA and DBC and what they re trying to do. What I know of their thinking and action and what you said about them are very different. I know you have NOT been to any of their functions or rallies, nor have you ACTED (other than typing and signing on the internet) what you believe in (as far as I know). Until you start matching your ACTIONS to what you SAY, I have a difficult time embracing your commands/suggestions. Sorry
ASLElla 2 months ago
@ASLElla @ASLElla I believe you if you literally tell ICED, AGBELL and EDHI to "Get lost, and BULLIES be gone". I have not seen that yet. I saw DBC ask AGBELL to tear down the wall and allow ASL instead of telling AGBELL to go away.. See my point yet? I ain't dumb, and don't need action to prove anything yet. You do go to people like AGBELL to reason and beg them to change instead of telling them to go away. You wont allow Deaf Centered Politics to equal.. Sorry you go after heagbring do for u.
Bunjer 2 months ago
Well said, Tumbleweed! The truth is hard but necessary. This is what we need to do - explore new, positive, bold and exciting ways of approaching the wide world than what we have learned under Oralist Colonialism. And challenge each other whenever we see our own people continuing the colonialist lessons we have learned the past 130+ years of how to submit to the majority and demanding others who desire true freedom as Deaf people to shut up.
ASLElla 2 months ago
Patti, guess what I think about ya. You go as far as running to AGBELL and ask him to please add ASL.. Why would you go to that AGBELL building the first place? Depending on them to enable them to patronize our Deaf people even further? And you cut me off the highway back down the road, and I had to pull myself out of the ditch not more than once.. Guess what I am gonna do this time.. Tell you off.. You enable AGBELL by going to them, after depending on ICED. UGH! Enablinng ICED/AGBELL.. STOP!
Bunjer 2 months ago
i'm so glad someone asked! - thanks for signing these songs of freedom, troubling tumblin'
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds." ~ bob marley
pdurr 2 months ago