Worlds 2009 Deck Tech: White Weenie with Rob Dougherty (Standard)

[SirThrun]

is elesh norn the grand cenobite a 4/7 legendary creature with vigalence with the effect that while it is on the field it adds +2 +2 to your creatures and takes -2 -2 from opponents creatures a good card because i have one in my green white deeck

[KingWhoShallReturn]

@SirThrun Kind of. It really should stay in lomited, but it is still a very cool card. I wouldn't run it with green though, as it's sometimes tricky to get out double white.

[iVindicate]

@KingWhoShallReturn At 7 land in a green deck with white in there already, no sir it is not hard to hit double white.

[KingWhoShallReturn]

@iVindicate oh. Sorry I'm quite new myself lol

[WolyThoctar]

Lol at 1:13, I don't know if it was just a mix up, or if he thinks that orchid is pronounced like Orchard :P

[wooddabers]

Eh, pretty good. I think the only issue is that sans Honour of the Pure or Brave the Elements, a single Pyroclasm ruins almost the entire creature base.

[lumburgapalooza]

@wooddabers

That's why you don't overextend against RDW or UW control.

[M0ralHygiene]

i didnt know people that old played magic

[RippinBoss]

can someone plz make a list of what cards and how many of each r in this deck

[RippinBoss]

im interested in getting this deck but i cant see all the cards could someone that knoe=ws them all post the cards in this deck

[guitarplayer222333]

@RippinBoss look at the info box. jesus christ...

[djtank13]

i dont know if anyone else has noticed but mainboard has 59 cards

[filsommer]

@djtank13 They're actually 60...

Count them twice before comenting -.-

[FusionMOD]

A deck thats cheap fast and good, i love them you play someone thats spent like 800 and you beat them with a deck under 100

[gardeeon]

I don't like the sleeves

[thatparkourdude]

Lol. Super cool deck but I couldn't help but laugh when he said knight of the white orchard.

[swidorkski56]

deck list please

[XDproXD]

@PNOISE01 its actually expensive over

120$ to make

[BeastyCheese]

120 is actually cheap, hard to find a good deck under 150-200 bucks

[zakv91]

how do you keep up with skyfisher returning sumthing to your hand?

i mean what if you cant play anything else but skyfisher, but cant return anything else?

[stenchweasel]

you can return a land to your hand

[bmxisthebomb]

@zakv91 you can pull back taped mana and put down next turn to power up steppe lynx

[scytheme]

@zakv91 easy, return a land

[dragontamer]

@zakv91 Skyfisher is a very good WW card BECAUSE of its "drawback". You play it like a self-bounce that happens to give you a creature. For example, you pickup your ORings and pin down another creature. Or you pick up the allies and play him again. Or you pick up Knight of the White Orchid and gain another land. Or you pickup Ajani when he's at 1 loyalty and play him again at 4 loyalty. Or pickup the Hookmaster. Or pickup Devout Lightcaster and kill another black. The 2/3 flying is just a bonus.

[coyotemoon722]

So...I guess you just mulligan until you have 2 lands in your hand? Seems like it'd be risky to go with just 1 land, you may not draw another the whole game.

[AdonisPhyrious]

well, 16 lands, 8 are fetches, then he has knight of white orchid that drops a land, and the skyfisher returns a card to hand, return land and play it. realistically he has a lot of ways to pump the lynx.

harms way is great for a one mana reversal card, if you about to be burned or are being attacked, it helps quite a bit.

even with the 16 land base, this looks really solid.

[polaropposites96]

i'm curious what he plans on doing with those steppe lynx while running only 16 land. is it only to take advantage of the fetch lands?

[Dredzy]

Why not use terramorphic expanse x4 instead of one of the sets of rare fetches? Seems like you're losing life for no reason

[JtodC]

@Dredzy fecth is better cause you can cast brave the elements for win than a tapped land from terramporhic

[DaChaosX]

because...terramorphic sets you back a turn by coming in taped and in this deck you need the untap lands the rare fetched lands brings.that and landfall and being able to play another 2 w creatures or 1 ww creature. o_o

[JasonChrist999]

@Dredzy he uses the rare fetches bcuz the plains come in untapped XD

[gymkidarman]

what does harms way come in against?

[NeuclearRabbit]

I played a similar deck at my local shop and went undefeated in the swiss rounds. This deck completely destroys Jund, Brave the elements is solid against it. I also used Harms Way. I ended up loosing in the top 8 to a turbo fog mill deck. I had no answer for it.

[ExaltedLeader]

Yeah, I'll bet it 'completely destorys Jund'. :P

That's why he placed 9th (behind 8 Jund decks, I imagine), right?

Steppe Lynx is a terrible choice for this deck, for starters. There's only a handful of land in the deck to trigger's it's ability.

[JtodC]

@ExaltedLeader

Steppe Lynx works well with kor skyfisher and knight of the white ochard

[RockManRockOn]

i had 3 step linx 6/7 on turn 3 really weak

[serg212]

@RockManRockOn your comment makes no sence

[RockManRockOn]

how come first on turn 3 i play the knight of the white orchid secondly fetch land ...3 land 1 turn the game was prety much won 18 of power in total

[Adiktad2Nipon]

"you have The Knight of the White Orchard..." Lawl... and this guy is supposed to be smart? My WW is better. I haven't gone to Pro with it yet but it wins all of my FNMs and Weekend tournaments. Everyone plays Jund and other things.

[gogologolala]

@Adiktad2Nipon

if you don't see why knight of the white orchard is a good card, you can't be too smart either...

[JtodC]

@Adiktad2Nipon

his Knight basically gets the land drop that he needs, effectively making his steppe lynx into 4 ( including regular land drop) plus all of his honor of the pure.

[jacobpeterhumphreys]

oooh, I'd definately drop the elspeth for the Brave the Elements. Excellent trade off on this white weenie. Lol, jund would probably get ripped apart by this.

[SaLlYMaEpRoPsOn]

no ajani goldmane?

[dragontamer]

@SaLlYMaEpRoPsOn From playtesting myself... I like Ajani better than Elspeth in WW. Ajani plays like 3 honor of the pures, followed by more every other turn and combos with the Skyfisher. Elspeth does builds up to that nasty ultimate... but if you're playing WW, even if you pull off the ultimate your opponent will win. A bunch of indestructible 1/1s or 2/2s fares no match against Tramplers, Fliers, or Mill decks. You need a nasty creature to take advantage of Elspeth.

[CougarBen02]

"I like being rogue when I can." My kinda guy.

[gymkidarman]

im kinda noobish guy and can someone explain why he runs 8 fetches in stead of just 16 plains? doesnt make any sense to me

[followthereefer]

Thing called "deck thinning," and it pumps Steppe Lynx, read the cards you might understand.

[SethBroNasty]

He uses the fetch lands to pump his steppe lynxes, he gets a +2/+2 from playing the land, and an additional +2/+2 for saccing them and getting a land, or he can save the land for his opponents turn, sac it and block with his pumped Lynxes.

[XDproXD]

he runs the fetches for steppe lynx to power him up

[Rav3nous08]

Steppe lynx gets a bonus from landfall.

[gymkidarman]

all right gosh i get it already ppl stop answering my question i get it jeez thank u

[rockbard]

Fetch lands help his Steppe Lynxes get more bonus, and helps thin his deck (in example, he has) less chance of drawing lands as the game progresses.

[spyderman312]

@gymkidarman It is to thin his deck. He doesn't really want to draw any more then 3 lands. So it just helps him remove the lands from his deck so he isn't drawing into them.

[Humfrie1989]

This deck looks like fun to play! And ofc it's pretty cheap. Although it probably gets crushed by Jund, I still want to give it a shot. However 16 land seems too much, I don't think you wanne play an entire game with only 2 or 3 mana at your disposal. I'd probably take out 2 soul warden and put in 2 more plains.

[Humfrie1989]

I ment too few land sorry :D

[sandman423]

Ghost Fire Was an idea...I am still coming back from an 8 year absence of the game...so still learning formats

[durangoislaw]

Lets all get really excited about something that will never survive jund's board!

A combination of jund charm, fallout, pyroclasm for those who are slow and are really excited about this "awesome deck"

[mastuhgamuh90]

Brave the Elements and Harm's way does an amazing job of keeping your critters alive. Once you get Honor of the Pure going, you could care less.

[Philson]

Wow. Thats one hell of a deck. How did he do? I'd probably go MD Ajani Goldmane instead of Elspeth though. Brave the Elements FTW!

[Philson]

For those looking for budget replacement for Elspeth, try Ranger of Eos. Great to reload after a sweeper.

[carthwolf]

probably better in this deck than Elspeth.

[cataphracts123]

I like brave the elements. My dream case is that I could cast it in responce to a removal spell cascaded into from a bituminous blast

[Humakt83]

16 is enough for this, but Elspeth needs to go.

[shooksonv2]

the point is he needs something to do once he has 4 land

[manashark]

it's awesome how many deck techs you guys are making. keep up the great work!!

[MrFreak0r]

rob dougherty is cool!

he came up with a decent white wheenie deck. but without honor of the pure hes helpless when it comes to cards like pyrpclasm, volcanic fallout, infest, etc.

[groovyastrodude]

@MrFreak0r Infest doesn't see a lot of play nowadays, and the Brave the Elements nix red mass removal. 'Course, DOJ can wipe this deck, but this deck has such consistently high draw quality (sure as hell no mana flood!) that it can rebuild quickly after nasty mass removal, and also can prevail after mulliganing for more land. At first glance, the 8 mana-producers seemed bad to me, until I realized that this deck can mulligan a coupletimes until it gets enough land and usually draw plennya gas.

[ZealotofDeath]

He's running 4 Honor of the Pure, dude.

[kennyc002]

Wow. I don't recall a single deck in standard since Affinity that would play 16 lands. I'd probably go with 18 to be safe myself.

If one wants a budget build of this, cutting lynxes and fetchlands would be a solution.

[PIeasurable]

lynx is a 10 cent card.

[kaislytry]

@PIeasurable I think he just ment that without the Fetches, Lynx wasn't as good.

[PIeasurable]

Good Point

[kennyc002]

@PIeasurable Yeah, that was my intentions when I said that. I'd stick with the 2/1's for W instead. They're better when you don't have fetches.

[DaIVIaJa]

Someone list the main deck and Sideboard please. I am on my Iphone so cannot really see the cards right now.

[Khetti]

4 Elite Vanguard, 4 Steppe Lynx, 4 Soul Warden, 4 Knight of the White Orchid, 4 White Knight, 4 Kor Skyfisher, 4 Kazandu Blademaster, 4 Kor Hookmaster, 4 Brave the Elements, 4 Path to Exile, 4 Honor of the Pure, 1 Elspeth, Knight Errant, 4 Arid Mesa, 4 Marsh Flats, 8 Plains. Sideboard - 3 Harm's Way, 2 Celestial Purge, 2 Oblivion Ring, 4 Devout Lightcaster, 2 Kor Sanctifiers, 1 Elspeth, Knight Errant, 1 Ranger of Eos.

[xleet]

I just playtested this for about 3 hours or so, and so far 16 lands is just fine, being able to accelerate with the knight of the white orchid it allows you to hold the game down with 3 or 4 mana while playing 2-3 creatures each turn. I love this deck

[Coldbrand]

This seems really fun to play.

[blazeboy36]

whats this guys record

[blazeboy36]

anyone know his record?

[starwarsmaniac93]

according to standings after round 6, he's 3-3.

[sandman423]

Can you say Ghost Quarter Kills this deck...Keep killing those lands and your done

[blazeboy36]

xept its not in standrard... im sure u know this which is why it was even more of a stupid comment than irrelevant

[starwarsmaniac93]

first of all ghost quarter isn't standard legal, second, they just get another plains off of the ghost quarter and you just made it more likely they'll draw another creature to kick your ass

[Wedgehead123]

This comment was full of fail. Ghost Quarter is not Standard legal, and it allows your opponent to search up a basic. Hooray! You just lost a land, activated Steppe Lynx's landfall, and got yourself disqualified for the low, low price of one Ghost Quarter! You get the "Worst Tech Ever" trophy!

[WickedDealer]

No one was playing it, no shit it's too land short.

[Wedgehead123]

16 lands seems like a really, really bad idea. Especially with Steppe Lynx. What the fuck?

The land count should probably be around 18 or 19. Just cut the Lynxes for more Plains

[MrMtgplayer]

but with the fetch lands and low cost cards you dont need that much mana

[Wedgehead123]

True, but if you miss your second land drop, the deck is in trouble. You want to consistently have two lands on turn two, and that is pretty risky with only sixteen lands. Soul Warden, Elite Vanguard and 0/1 Steppe Lynxes can only get o far.

[daynrk]

I'm the crowd on this on 16 lands seems a little sketchy but then again its Rob so who am i to questions him.

[dar482]

I would like to test this deck. The math seems really bad that you don't get stuck on 1 land. Hell, you don't play 16 land in LIMITED.

[Wedgehead123]

Agreed. I'm sure their is method to the madness, but there still seem to be some flaws, i.e. Steppe Lynx and 16 lands in a 60 card deck. It doesn't quite add up right, or at least seems that way.

[MyLittlePwnys]

8 fetches and the skyfisher help out the landfall a lot

[Skateboykyle]

All the costs are 1 and 2 so all you need is a 1 or 2 land hand.

[doomdude1234]

isnt 20 lands the min.

[LordBastion]

no, you can run no lands if you wanted to

[doomdude1234]

oh i dident know that. when i used to go to fnm i was told the rule was 20 min

[BFDK]

I would like to see this deck play out.

[Zautillo]

wtf?? 16 lands? i allways get stuck on 2 lands even though i play 25..

[HikariKage]

go WW go!

[roykillany]

he almost sounds and looks like conan o'brien.