Hero vs Thorzain - PvT - Dual Site - StarCraft 2

[trapero99]

Destiny flipping tables haha

[MrTheincredibleplum]

people that are here talking about EMP being OP, half are saying it kills the whole army instantly like its a nuke lol!!

[dansegrest]

@ 16:04 and 16:07, those were great storms! Yeah, I am also curious why the P army was so Archon heavy. Was it for anti-air since he had already spent so much gas on the HT?

[MrMemoria1985]

Heja Sverige friskt humör! Det är det som gör susen......... Vänta lite här... ><

[daofanman]

Thorzain Is one of the best terran players ive seen his all kill ( 5 staright battle wins in a best of 9) at the IPL Team Arena Challenge proves his talent.

[spaceship0803]

first time ever i saw Hero lose

[ShadesOfGray102]

Feed back deals damage for each point of energy, the area is a fair trade for damage.

[guitarnublet]

EMP's should not be area of effect, but single unit like feedback.

[mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhh]

solid as a rock

[Shadowboost]

shouldn't have gone for archon, should have mass high templar and rain down 10 storms all over the terran army

[kobitsakis]

I ordered this game and i thing the best race(at lease for me) is zerg.. They are fast units and the most important cheap and you can replenish theme anytime..

[ChittyJuan]

op noob terrans..

[swbf2fan2510]

@ChittyJuan op noob protoss

[southrodney]

@ChittyJuan play the damn race yourself then

[Synthbin]

WOW what an match, Look at the battle @ 16:10 2-2 Terran vs 0-0 Protoss and with ThorZain microing like CRAZY, And even THEN the  Protoss Army nearly wins , SO SICK PvT is !

[rednick06]

TERRAN ACTUALLY is weaker than protoss armies, cost for cost mid-late game

[SamualSamus]

@rednick06 Lol are you drunk?

[rednick06]

@SamualSamus Why? protoss gateways units and few collossi are so hard for terran to deal with

[YTClone]

The title is the spoiler itself. PvT means Terran wins 99% of the time.

[swbf2fan2510]

@YTClone cause the protoss players are retardet havent you heard?

[kurtXhecticXpl]

ghost ability is TOO POWERFUL!!!!!! wtf...

[cweida111]

Ahem... husky i want that graphics card. I have already commented on your battlefield game while including what game i want. i am doing this to get your attention to win it.

[H0kram]

6:50 exploit

16:10 It was a 2-2 army vs a 0-0.

everything is ok.

[joeyrenaissance]

man protoss units are NOT worth the amount they cost...

[amgoo12]

@joeyrenaissance that was my first reaction to playing protoss for the first time. "omg, everything is so expensive"

[TheIronClimber]

God DAMMIT you people with your whining about which race is op and all that bull shit acts like a spoiler, when you look at the comments you can see a bunch of "terran op" comments and you know the terran won URGHHHHHH

[shizumaoo]

@TheIronClimber NOW I KNOW TERRAN WON. >:0

[Kangoo9]

ask blizzard to remove ghost from next patch. Thumb me so husky can see it!

[1212ofomyzrc]

@Kangoo9 i dont mind that at all... ask them to remove high templar and infestors as well. =) then u got urself a deal.

[cclemon1115]

lol blizzard, shouldnt have changed the ghosts cost... They are considered a spell "caster" and should cost more gas.

[shizumaoo]

@cclemon1115 They don't need to cost 150 gas though.

They really really don't.

The knew cost is much better, and I play protoss, they have similar spell-ness to a sentry, and they have a good main weapon so they cost more minerals too. You can spam more than four spells from one at max anyway, they don't need to be re nerfed.

[CristyS89]

what map is this?

[RTSnRPGfreak]

am i the only one who saw the xel'naga tower as a red and blue gateways at the center of the map?

[Valaman]

@RTSnRPGfreak No, you are not... Is that a new Replay feature or something? LOL... kind of random, though...

[MelancholyApples]

@RTSnRPGfreak yea what is that?

[Amumuish]

@RTSnRPGfreak the map was intended to have red and blue gateways as xel naga towers.

[RTSnRPGfreak]

am i the only one who saw the xel'naga tower as a red and blue gateways at the center of the map?

[yogoo0]

22 high templar dont like ghosts

[yogoo0]

22 high templar dont like ghosts

[RbDaP]

Am I the only one who spent A LOT OF TIME wondering WHAT DA HECK IS DAT MAP? mean, xel'naga tower as warpgate? o.o

[KikumaruSeal88]

@RbDaP It's probably Dual Sight and yes nifty editors made the xel'naga tower look like warpgates. Various other xel'naga towers on different maps don't look standard at all which is nice!

[Denilee49]

@WastelandGaming but they cost 100 mineral and 300 gas... and EMP is OP by a lot.

[Denilee49]

What's that red warp gate at 7:39 and 8:53?

[ShadowKilla175]

llol

[ChezGeno]

i find stim and ghosts quite op, would it be a good idea if stim took 15 hp everytime its used, and ghosts, emp would have a smaller radius and uses more energy. would this be slightly more balanced?

[ChezGeno]

i find stim and ghosts quite op, would it be a good idea if stim took 15 hp everytime its used, and ghosts, emp would have a smaller radius and uses more energy. would this be slightly more balanced?

[WastelandGaming]

I can understand a bit why EMP is OP but hey... Archons do 47dmg...

[DoctorTomm]

heros supply block at 26/26 was horrible, probably misplaced a pylon but still :/

[hamsterminator]

Stargates vs Terran are just not a sensible choice, all balance arguments aside.

[drhee9]

its so obvious when people play terran *cough thesheadr ... i suppose he thinks its a coincident the GM top 10 is occupied by mostly T& Z players... roughly only 10-20% are toss players.... fact is rax units curbstomp gateway units.

[tomeetipee]

I love all these bronzies who come in and blame every single win or loss on balance. Hero opened stargate which did NO damage to thorzain's macro opening, and was behind on twilight/robo tech and expansion. He then engages kind of understandably (because he knows he's behind and needs to do some damage) and loses 6-7 sentries, a LOT of gas investment. It's no surprise he was rolled by the following mmm push.

[NoisyNinjaSC2]

@kynthianwe Ok, cool, too bad this is a starcraft video...

[Nitro7676]

Whats that red warp gate :o? 9:21

[NoisyNinjaSC2]

@Nitro7676 Xelnaga Watchtower

[ShadowMask7]

EMP is a bit ridiculous. 

[rickrollxyomom]

seturys are the biggest load of bullsh*t

[PwnedDuck]

What's with the watchtower?

[toar4ever]

@PwnedDuck It's regular on Dual Sight

[PwnedDuck]

@toar4ever but why? they look so funky

[piggypnoy6969]

K-O-reans OP.

[Canterwoodcore]

So people who say Terran is OP: Why the hell don't you switch to Terran then?

[inyourface471]

HerO is my new favorite protoss

[xTheFreeMason]

@inyourface471 He's fucking amazing :O I think he's actually better than HuK. I don't think even HuK could pull off that set of forcefields Hero did in this game.

[MuzzafuzzaGaming]

I don't play SC, but if I did, I'd play Zerg.

[UnrealSnipa]

@MuzzafuzzaGaming haha swag, its the hardest though

[xTheFreeMason]

@MuzzafuzzaGaming Pretty micro intensive. How's your apm?

[SGRevolution2011]

Terran op

[bawzzzz]

9:12 WTF ? How does the Terran comes on top ?

[Teoodorh]

Terran is so good because it's the race benefitting the most from high APM and skill simply. For example, the difference between a diamond protoss and a GM protoss is not nearly as big as the difference between a diamond Terran and a GM terran because terran is all about multitasking and micro. And besides ThorZain is incredibly good against P, he knows a lot of timings and has great micro, just like most koreans...

[udienowisay]

@Teoodorh ehem, ThorZain is european

[Teoodorh]

@udienowisay Eeeeeh, no shit sherlock? I have never said anything else, I've actually even met him in real life. He's from Sweden like me...

[BeanXPFoX]

all I need to do is look at 3 comments and I know who won the game lol

[Temp3st60]

barracks units op. that is all.

[eatmyshorts2007]

OP OP OP shut the fuck up

[sealstein]

HYBRIDS OP!

[onarass]

@sealstein Yer those Hybrids where a mother F to kill in that Zeratul mission.

[HimuraBattosai101]

17:13

Of course, when you can do this with 1 unit that can out range storm and feedback to snipe you, EMP half of the health of your entire army and send nukes anywhere on the map it's COMPLETELY obvious Terran is not OP.

[Archtyr]

what blizzard needs to do isn't nerf terran EMP, but buff HT movement speed. You'd be amazed at how much more balanced it'd be if HT moved as fast as ghosts or even at least as infestors. right now they're moving way too slow to contribute meaningfully (a ghost just needs to run up to emp and they're screwed)

[ZeroHex5412]

Why does the watchtower look like a gateway?

[Vi3tboyshorty]

Like to tell spoilers to FUGG OFF!!!

[zalmute]

FINALLY! A narret win!

[damen152]

feel like he was toying with himm...

[mabusss]

who cares about spoilers really?

[SpOrKkIxI]

I missed you protoss!



[Dankeification]

Random is OP as fuck...

[The0nlineGam3r]

@Dankeification Korean is the only OP race

[KenDM]

@Dankeification No. Only Terran are. And also Protoss. And oh wait, also Zerg.

[shrillz]

EMP and Terran are both OP

[thesheadr]

Everyone who complains about terran, why dont you try playing terran, because there are windows and if you understand how the race works, you will understand how to defeat them instead of just saying OP and never trying to understand. Ignorance is no excuse for whining and flaming

[ZeroHex5412]

@thesheadr Well actually, me and most of my friends have, over time, all switched to terran. We all became much better players for it and we pretty much unanimously agree that terran seems to be much more powerful than the other 2 races. I started off as protoss (played toss in brood war), then switched to zerg for a while, but only noticed a significant improvement in my gameplay after switching to terran.

[darkomen1290]

@thesheadr nope terran's easily the best race. just look at the numbers. saying Terran OP isn't an opinion anymore when 20/32 of Code S are Terran players.

[Zeratul723]

@thesheadr

Cool story bro. But Terran is still bullshit. People that deny it are either 1) blind or 2) work for Blizzard.

[latsabb99]

@Zeratul723 bliz probably is trying to piss you off with a bullshit race, yeah i see your point

[HimuraBattosai101]

@Zeratul723 So true.

[MikeyPWhatAG]

@thesheadr my friend plays terran and openly says they are 10 times better and way easier to play. Ghosts= destroy everything protoss has except colossi which vikings hard counter. Early game MMM is all powerful.

[mayhempk1backup1]

@thesheadr That's why the #1 protoss got kicked out of Code A, and GSL is 98% Terran players, right? Also, that's why the past few MLGs have been won by nothing but Terran players? Oh yeah, not OP at all.

[thesheadr]

@mayhempk1backup1 ok, but have you tried taking my advice before retorting? lol...

[mayhempk1backup1]

@thesheadr No, because your advice is retarded.

[neos549]

@thesheadr "there are windows". Normally exploiting these windows is called either cheese or clutch.

[7moooo1]

@thesheadr we did play terran in campaign u know

[GuinnessKMF]

@7moooo1 If you think playing terran in the campaign is anything like playing terran in ladder, you clearly have no idea how the terran race works.

[7moooo1]

@GuinnessKMF  lolz it works the same

is the marine in the campaign stronger then the multi player marine ?

am i missing something ? cuz last time i checked they were the same units

[GuinnessKMF]

@7moooo1 Actually yes, the marine in the campaign is stronger. You buy upgrades in the Hyperion that make it stronger, and the supporting units (medics and medivacs) are stronger. I don't recall once having to split my marines against banelings in the campaign, I don't have tech reactors in multiplayer.

So you're now telling me you hardly remember playing the campaign and you think that your experience there means you understand how Terran work?

[GuinnessKMF]

@7moooo1 Oh, and I play Random or Zerg... I'm just not an idiot enough to think that the campaign is anything other than learning general mechanics when it comes to ladder play.

[7moooo1]

@GuinnessKMF so u callin me an idiot ?

[GuinnessKMF]

@7moooo1 you've done nothing to asway that opinion. I'd say thinking that your experience with the Terran in the campaign means you understand the nuances of using them in ladder is an uneducated assertion, the kind an idiot would make.

So I guess you can tell me if you're an idiot.

[7moooo1]

@GuinnessKMF do u often think ur so smart

then go to youtube and call other idiots ?

man/pussy i wont even argue with u cuz u seem like an idiot this is going no where

think whatever u want

[GuinnessKMF]

@7moooo1 proper grammar and spelling is difficult for most people, as is grasping simple concepts like playing versus the computer is different than playing versus a person. I'm glad to hear that you're done with this conversation though, it was a little too simple for my taste.

I highly suggest you try playing Terran in ladder, that way you don't come off as so uneducated in future discussions. Cheers.

[7moooo1]

@GuinnessKMF lololololol

i was right about everything i said u do think ur so smart

hahaha using those words lolz

english is just not my first language

well i did play terran in ladder its the same considering the counter and unit considering u vs zerg in camp but diffrent in strategies of what can happen to u drops MMM 3 3 thors lots of things in ladder doesnt happen in camp

so stfu smart boy if u see at top he said try playing terran to find its weakness playing the camp

u can

[7moooo1]

@GuinnessKMF and yeah at first place who the fuck asked for ur opinion ?

i was talking to thesheader so stfu

i dont like arguing to little bitchs who get their nose in everything

[darkrai9000]

@thesheadr problem with terran is they got utility units, like reapers and hellions, which are made for harassin while zerg has no direct harass unit, u gotta improvise

[darkrai9000]

@thesheadr and medivacs, a drooship that heals AND helps in large battles

[xTheFreeMason]

@thesheadr Terran definitely isn't OP, but marine marauder still beats a gateway force unless you have amazing micro. I much prefer zealot/archon in PvT, I think it's much easier to pull off. If I do go big into gateways I tend to mix in some Immortals to keep the marauders in check. Did I mention I love 1.4? :P

[thesheadr]

@xTheFreeMason archons own any bio, and if the Terran doesn't scout or suspect archon play, then they just get fucked so badly lol. And yes your right, Immortals are not just good against marauders, but they just deal so much DPS its a shame they aren't used more.

[KJHasYoutoooob]

@thesheadr Perhaps you're right, BUT that still doesn't nullify the cold hard facts that Terrans win rate at both high level and low level in KR NA and EU is between 50-60% vs the other 2 races.

If this isn't enough then what about the fact that the last MLG even was a TvT final, the last GSL Code A and B were both TvT finals.... It's not pure coincidence....

Also fyi I play Terran but I would agree they are more powerful then both zerg and protoss.

[TeamFTKOTK]

@thesheadr Minimal 200 apm to play terran correctly.

[thesheadr]

@TeamFTKOTK exactly!

[JMRolf1]

@TeamFTKOTK lol bull shit

[sleek231]

@thesheadr TERRAN OP!

[JMRolf1]

@thesheadr lol nice try at explaining. If your going to try to explain balance actually do it

[halotree18]

@JMRolf1 Why? This is a youtube comment box no one cares. His point was made and made well, that's that.

[klabboy13]

@thesheadr man have to say your a wise man!

[eseurg]

@thesheadr I agree, I play random and when I roll Terran i mostly use. It's not as easy as it may look.

[itogisch]

u made a mistake there husky.... the hidden rack isnt in the same place...

the hidden rack lifted up directly after he finished stimpack (7.03)... later on it was remade (8.13)...

[Zeratol001]

whats with the random red warp gate?

[xTheFreeMason]

@Zeratol001 They're watchtowers. Not sure why they're not actual watchtowers. Might be because not a blizzard map?

[xTheFreeMason]

@Zeratol001 They're watchtowers. Not sure why they're not actual watchtowers. Might be because not a blizzard map?

[chadeava]

>Protoss was behind the whole game

>Emp OP

[GeneralPihota]

what was that red Warp Gate by the xel naga tower at 7:40 ??

[Zeratol001]

@GeneralPihota its the xel naga

[l1s1d4]

Why is the towers different?

[nfzeta007]

9:12 now this is why i would have to agree with protoss that their race is a 'bit' weak because after those awesome forcefields coupled with the guardian shields and still not come out on top is ridiculous i mean he had only 3-5 terran units attacking his guardian shielded army at a time and still lose overall

[Ataro104]

@nfzeta007 P was vastly outnumbered there; if anything that battle proved balance with good FF play

[Unislash]

Toss is so op! Medivac healing needs to stack... /sarcasm

[vaderlives0206]

anyone know what map this was on?

[issrenn]

@vaderlives0206 Duel Sight



[vaderlives0206]

thanks@issrenn 

[DaKevinatorify]

Bah EMP just pisses me off, it is way too overpowered vs protoss

[luis94289428]

@DaKevinatorify Terran IS already overpowered. Protoss is expensive but their units are so weak and zerg has been nerfed way too much. Terran is more for noobs.

[droxek]

Lol terran op? Maybe Thorzain is just better

[nfzeta007]

@droxek i don't know if its just me but thorzain doesn't seem that good of a player its more like what the new gamers are taught to do, which is just marco and push cause i saw no 'outstanding' micro or really anything that stands out just frontal assaults and hero held them back with great mirco in use of forcefields and enguages

[Barkilax]

@nfzeta007 watch game 4 of thorzain vs DRG incase you havent, that comeback was amazing.

[Dankeification]

@droxek Lol exactly, I think if Hero won then people would be shitting themselves saying how Protoss is OP.

[silentechoes314]

more like emOp

[wegotas]

I could swear that i have seen this!

[Cheeshunt3r]

Your right and emp should still insta drain

Protoss does need a nerf -.-

[xxGODxOFxWAR]

WTF?!?! @ 3:14 is that a mini blue gateway?

[Prickish45]

@xxGODxOFxWAR It's the same as a Zel'Naga tower, just a different look (couple custom maps use them)

[LockheedC130]

@xxGODxOFxWAR it is indeed a mini gateway. This is a custom map. The map creator thought it would be funny to use this instead of the regular tower. ^^

[xxGODxOFxWAR]

@LockheedC130 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, that makes sense:D I didn't realize it was a custom map. Thanks for the info, I thought it was some weird glitch or something:D

[kafthefigther]

EMP IS OP!!!How can blizzard alow it?

[cyberdemon107]

@AllencZhang bawmore, thats the way it was last game

feedback kills ghosts dead

[liminghao8754]

@AllencZhang As a protoss player my self, god you are so right!

[cyberdemon107]

@liminghao8754 as a terran player... cry more, xeno fag

[Kleavers]

Sigh. I am so tired of the Ghost in TvP...it just ruins everything.

Seriously, I feel a Marauder Medivac army with a few Ghosts can pretty much kill ANYTHING the Protoss has on the ground. It takes a lot less effort in my opinion than for the Protoss to counter it.

[woutkroen]

ThorZaIN is OP!

[darkrider1287]

12:39 OMG IT'S A MINI WARPGATE?? wtf

[BlazingsNL]

Terran is still way too versatile imo. Medivac can heal and drop, vikings own air and can land, etc.

[comsci2491]

Lol ghosts doesn't make any difference?? they are the key unit in defeating protoss.