Indonesian politicians divided on democracy - 10 Dec 08

[pionisgood]

iam not javanesse but i love and proud being indonesia?? in indonesia ... everybody can success if they are smart..no mather if he is java,chinesse,indian,malay,mal­uku,papua?? so please don't be so racist!! indonesia is not racist country...we live in harmony after 1998 tragedy..so just let us live in peace!!

[votecinta4president]

to change the direction of a nation is not an easy thing, but thxs god indonesia could trough it. and to know that indonesia is not an islamic state too, its a democratic republic. god bless our leader

[erictjie]

democracy or not the poor are always the victims. in this world only the rich can buy power.

[negkreyol21]

ppl fails to understand that democracy was created as a means for the average person to be heard by their government u dont really need democracy like china in order for its system to survive its need to cater to the mass wat ppl really want is work a home and safety from harm to live

[jerkinp]

Russia once had tried democracy but because of the opposition many reforms that were necessary could not be implemented. Only under the iron fist of leaders like Putin were any changes able to be made to transform Russia from command economy to a free market economy. You will find that the older generation see democracy as a bad thing because of the economical turmoil that existed.

[ItzMeRon]

Please note: America is not a Democracy. It is a Republic.

[johntabbot]

Countries that claim to be democracies are really not democracies at all. Your average person in reality has little or no power whatsoever as to the decision that are made. The word 'democracy' usually is used as an excuse to promote various hidden agendas

[BangkapiBoy]

Not a very impressive clip... Especially comparing Thailand to Indonesia.

[LoveOfRighteousness]

There is no need for democracy. Democracy is what has allowed the French to ban Hijab. The right of legislation is a right only of Allah(s.w.t.) and no one else. To take the rights of Allah(s.w.t.) and give them to other than Allah(s.w.t.) is shirk. We as Muslims must return to the correct practice of our Deen. WALLAHU alam.

[bfq3000]

Yes, yes, of course. Never mind governing the way people actually want to be governed. Never mind allowing people to generate and express their own opinions. Let's just forcibly impose upon them a system of government developed by a 7th century desert conqueror. Let them praise a celestial power that may or may not exist, or be relegated to second-class status in society (or put to death in the case of apostasy). Then everyone in society will be happier, right???

[Mxyzptlk562]

So are you against democracy just because the French decided to ban the hijab?

That is a pretty shallow reason to revert back to an archaic and tyrannical form of government that was created way back in the 7th century.

[mieroth]

Lol. Religious extremist. What's wrong with that. If the majority of French people want to ban the hijab then they should ban the hijab. What's the problem? It's the will of the people. :/

[chavrecycler]

Just out of interest, why did they go to France in the first place? Why choose to go to democratic countries if you don't like democracy? Democracy is needed, so that we can clamp down on the handfull of extremists like you, Loveofwrongness.

[malayneum]

indon poor country.

[aboualif]

malay poor freedom...

[malayneum]

democracy is not for the stupid. indonesians are a bunch of low educated idiots. they dont deserve democracy. they are just peasants. they should be communists and wipe themselves each other.

[bluesbegedel]

Unfortunately, Indonesians had a bad history with communism...

[malayneum]

try islamism then.

[bluesbegedel]

Unfortunately too, our nationalists won't let islam rise in this country (FYI, i'm not one of them)

[rapemap]

However, most Indonesians will agree that communism gave Indonesians bad records by three times (1927, 1948, 1965) conducting bloody coup d'etat. If they are not to blame, then at least they always induced and involved in those.

[bluesbegedel]

Good point. That's why most Indonesians from the Soeharto era to nowadays are strongly anti-communists...

[nonkyteja]

God watching. Live is not a stable,you have something now, but you will lost afterward so are you ready malayeum/malays to change ??? Sad that you people is not stick together with your neighboring country.And shame I though malayneum is educated and not stupid but you are the opposite. Shame malay has person like you.

[edtlg]

with all do respect bro..i am indonesian from malay background and am proud indonesian,do not use you tube for trading insult mate,its a shame ,get over yourself

[malayneum]

not me. your people started them first. indonesians are a bunch of lowly educated people who dont know anything but fighting and insults. shame on you poor people.

[lebahpatahjantung]

How high is your education bro? You should read history before you even question the quality of indonesian education. I don't know where are you come from, but at least i have gut to tell you that i am proud of being an indonesian.

[malayneum]

proud my ass. you people are just puppets to the ethnic javanese. the only rich people in indon are the chinese and the javanese who robbed and plundered from other ethnic provinces. nationalism and military are the greatest weapon of the javanese. without both of them the javanese have NOTHING to keep you in line.

[bluesbegedel]

It should be noted that historically, chinese indonesians are discriminated by the central government, they can't be government officials, just like Tamils in your country. That's why the overwheming majority of chinese indonesians are reluctant to work in public sectors, they prefer to be the businessman instead. For the javanese, not all javanese are robbers, only a small amount of them who work as high officials in the Capital City. Most javanese are just farmers & transmigrants in Indonesia.

[fazilnbira]

@malayneum hei hei, either your country too, punk ass. Lets see trough the forbes business website. Indonesia's richest man, was indonesian. (Aburizal Bakrie) and your malaysia's richest man. Chinese. AND LOOK, WE'RE INDONESIAN, AND WE DON'T MAKE ANY BORDERS BETWEEN US. NO MATTER THEY'RE CHINESE, JAVA, AUSTRONESIAN OR ELSE. THE SMARTER, THE WINNER. NOT LIKE YOUR COUNTRY, DIVIDED PEOPLE BY THEIR OWN RACE BACKGROUND. WHAT A RACIST COUNTRY YOU HAD.

[malayneum]

@fazilnbira bacot gak jelas lu njing. dasar indon bangsa rendahan.

[fazilnbira]

@malayneum hey yang rendahan kan kamu, lihat saja kamu menggunakan bahasa kasar yang tidak menunjukan ketinggian adab kamu. hahaha di rumah punya cermin kan?? ngaca dulu.

[fazilnbira]

@malayneum hey yang rendahan kan kamu, lihat saja kamu menggunakan bahasa kasar yang tidak menunjukan ketinggian adab kamu. hahaha di rumah punya cermin kan?? ngaca dulu. ohh trying to speak the indonesian slank langauge?? everybody learn bahasa.

[matthewandrew]

absolute democracy can be as destructive as absolute tyranny.

a balance must be found to develop a nation.

[KhmerD0g]

hahhaahaa. they have so many elections and didn't get them anywhere.

haiti is another democratic country but they can't get out of poverty.

[chavrecycler]

Yes, well you would laugh at any democracy. You are a nazi.

[KhmerD0g]

that neo-nazi to you

[chavrecycler]

No, that's "nazi scum are better off dead" to me.

[KhmerD0g]

fucking zionazi jews. shouldn't u be dead in concentration camp? hahahaaaa.

[chavrecycler]

KhMurdog... Who are you talking to? Let me guess.... You are so simple that you think I am Jewish if I say Nazis are bad.......

This is why you shouldn't be on the internet, KhMurdog.

[KhmerD0g]

if u are not new then u are jew cock sucker. hahahaaaa

[chavrecycler]

khmurdog, I can see that "hahahaaa" is your favourite word, but you still have nothing to say.

You are a mistake. A contraception failure.

Unfortunately, I know you are too stupid to even understand that, but I enjoyed writing it.

I see the English lessons aren't coming along too well. Such a shame, you intellectual giant...

[KhmerD0g]

your english is not great either. hahhahaaa idiot jerk. go recycle yourself.

[chavrecycler]

No, I think everyone who reads your comments can plainly see who the "idiot jerk" is. You do all your own advertising, khmurdog.

[kewlkewl12]

better than your country though.

[KhmerD0g]

oh well. america is already dead since 2007. now we are in a motion. i'm in for a historic ride. with the politicians we have, we deserve to be sunk.

[bfq3000]

that's why the "will of the majority" must be balanced with individual rights that are not subject to referendum in order to protect minority rights