Hamas Is Responsible For What Is Happening In Gaza Not Israe

[adeleellie6]

Has everyone forgotten that Hamas is the democratically elected government in Palestine? And please don't bother responding if you're right wing and American - I can't be bothered with your nonsense. If you're an American with a bit of reason then please do reply!

[sprawler2121]

terrorists...yep...how ironic that israelis used terrorist tactics to drive out the british in the first place and now they blame terrorist tactics from others to justify the slow starvation of a million+ people

[waddleduckie1]

"Free Palestine' is an undeserving practical joke that Hamas are creating. Israel will not succumb to anti Israel threats made by terrorist loving Palestinians. Palestinians who engage in senseless attacks against Israel are to be blamed and this anti israeli nonsense must be stopped. Palestinians are engaging in countless of idiotic moves that could permanently endanger their chances of having a "Palestinian' state. It's time to rightfully free Israel from Palestinians' illegal chokehold.

[Hasegawatam]

Israel is the scourge of humanity. The Jews cause trouble and terror wherever they go. They are disliked my most people. They are like rats. Palestine for the Palestinians. Long live Hamas. USA, stop supporting the occupiers of Palestine. I would never do business with an israeli company or have a jewish friend.

[sad1th]

@Hasegawatam And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. - Gen12:3

way to curse yourself!

[Pusheter]

TO: TheRisingSword

You know ZERO about the History and Current Affairs in the middle east. Israel doesnt occupy Gaza where Hamas rule

Arabs live in Israel better than arabs who live under Palestinian rule (education, health, sport, entertainment, religious freedom, right of speech, etc). Hamas live a lifestyle of war, murder and violence. They have no will for peace, prosperity, integrity, honesty and love. If foreign aid was used correctly, Gaza could have been as sweet as Swiss Chocolate.

[kerimkarayel87]

Kağtil israyil katil america defolun türkiyeden bizim ülkemzide gelmeyin istemuyorz sizi kağtiller

[TheRisingSword]

I'm going to keep it simple for the children who are reading this.

Let's take a look. For the last 60 years Palestinian have been oppressed by zionists(evil men with big noses and devilish eyebrows who want to take over the world and make you their slaves)

Hamas was created in 1987(do the math)You know why Hamas was created, children? Imagine a guy showing up at your home with a gun. The guy says:" I'm going to take over your house". Would you give him your home? Yes or no?

[besmb2105]

Hamas was created in 1967, and grew more millitant in 1988

[TheTollundWoman]

@TheRisingSword

I'm going to keep it simple for any decent people who happen to be reading this.

Lets take a look. For the last 60 years Israel (the *only* Jewish state in the world, as opposed to twenty-something Muslim states and 18 Christian states...) has been under siege from terrorists (latter-day Fascists who pervert their own religion in a desperate attempt to justify mass murder).

[TheTollundWoman]

@TheRisingSword

The IDF was created in 1948 (do the math.) You know why the IDF was created, children? Imagine a guy showing up at your home and murdering your entire family. If somehow, miraculously, you managed to survive, you might think about getting a gun to defend yourself!

[sad1th]

@TheRisingSword Israel is promised to the Jews. Theres no such thing as a Palestinian state, never has been never will be, all PR. All you guys are doing is insuring your place in hell.

[adeleellie6]

@sad1th Promised to the Jews by whom? No country is "promised" to anyone by anyone. The fact is that the Palestinians were there before the creation of the Israeli state in 1948 - for very good reasons, but now the Israeli bullied have turned into the people that bully - and they're doing almost as well as the Nazis. Way to go Israel. No-one outside of the US has any respect for you, and that's just because the US government and media is owned and controlled by the zionists.

[JRubin86]

@adeleellie6 funny cuz jews weren't attacking German civilians with Rockets, jews weren't blowing themselves up in crowded buses, nothing among the hebrew texts does it say anything about the destruction of Germany, like Hamas' charter, and 1200 palestinians die, half of them militants, and your gonna compare that to 2/3rds of the worlds jewish population being exterminated? i find it ironic that you demand logical reasoning in your responses yet you offer none.

[theinfuriatedcondemn]

lol yes Hamas is 100% to blame obviously because using Israel's wonderful logic a country which promises to lift the blockade of Gaza in the ceasefire but did not do it is not to blame whereas a group which held their end of the bargain is completely to blame right?

[ArafKhaled]

Israel is responsible for what is happening to Gaza 100%.. That's so damn stupid. Look at the situation. Hamas has no chance in this.

[AllahEatHalalPorkie]

araf

are you insane ???

it simple stop launching rocket fire into israel and no strike in gaza

[GoGoPalestine]

new lies from IsraHell, VIVA PALESTINE & HAMAS Death to the Nazi IsraHell.

[adribon]

Hamas and the popular resistance are *NOT* the culprits.  It is the zionist entity and it's brutal oppression of the natives. The economic and humanitarian blockade are crimes against humanity. Hamas is the democratically elected government. of Palestine. The 42 year Israeli occupation of Gaza the Westbank and the Golan hights are illegal. Don't blame the victim, support justice!

[modelfan1979]

Of course. Everything is Israel's fault.

The fact that Hamas kills their own people is Israel's fault. Israel caused the PLO to kill over 200,000 Arabs also.

While we are at it, it is also the fault of the Americans that over 200 years ago, right after the War of Indepnence, Muslims, with the permission of the Caliphate, attacked a number of American ships and enslaved Americans as part of a jihad against the brand new country.

Muslims are never responsible for anything they do.

[shawry86]

i wish people would wake up and realise supporting the palestinians does not mean supporting their corrupt government

[intrepidxxx]

Israel's government is also corrupt friend;

in case you haven't noticed, most or ALL governments in the world are corrupt.

People are mostly the same EVERYWHERE, it's the leaders and governments that spread division.

We must stop bickering and unite against elitist corruption which drives wedges between peoples' that would otherwise live in peace.

The elitists are a small disgustingly wealthy group who 'divides and conquers' over the rest of us majority - THEY should be eradicated.

[shawry86]

yeah and im pretty sure if you read my comments you would realise i know this, but all said and done, id rather live in israel than anywhere else in the middle east...they are after all the only democracy

[intrepidxxx]

It's good that you know.

I mean no disrespect to you as an individual, it's the policies of government and their owners that enrage me - they cause this before anyone has even fired a rocket.

As for 'democracy' - that is a loathsome thing, also known as 'mob rule' - and from what I see coming out of Israel, not something to be admired.

A TRUE 'republic' might work, BUT a 'majority' of sheep, (apparently voting for a country's 'leadership') does not vote for 'good' leaders.

Let's pray for peace.

[lio67000]

i complitely agree with the title

[attackofthecold]

yes yes blame one side shit head. dont blame both.

[tiretrades]

let's look at the facts:

1. The second Caliph of Islam Gave Jews the permission to visit Palestine, before that they we not allowed by the roman christians.

2. When the jews were Expelled from Spain by christians, it was the Turk Muslims who gave them shelter. And that's the story with Jews, you feed them and they bite your hand (Unfaithful dogs), & since now for the 1st time in history they are in power they would not heed to words, if the jews r to be stopped, world needs some one like Titus

[intrepidxxx]

People who look on anyone others children as worth less than their own, are not fit to be called human. Obviously each parent must care primarily for his/her own children, but if you do not help guarantee a better life for other peoples children, your own children do not deserve a better life either. I see dark days for Israel - because it's bigotry will attract a world of pain to itself - it deserves it. Arrogant and self-deluded - your American military grants will not protect you forever.

[intrepidxxx]

Israel is not innocent. Israel is a terrorist state. Israel is a murdering state. Only those with their heads stuck up their own behinds believes otherwise. And USA is their bitch - the prostitute which pays for their whoredom. People should learn to accept their part in the blame of things and be honest about their double-standards and outright hypocrisy - it is clear to anyone with 2IQ points to rub together.

Psychosis is an apparently strong trait in some peoples.

[shawry86]

yes but you need to condemn hamas also, its easy to blame israel its not so easy to look at the other facts

[intrepidxxx]

When you come to the understanding that many of these conflicts are manufactured by money-lenders (aka.bankers) and their greedy power hungry war mongering elite friends, then you might know some facts;

and I suppose by your logic, the 'jews' are just as responsible for what Hitler did to them because they fought back against his evil?

It's easy to look at it from the winning side, like zionist elitists like to do.

Respond to someone else, I don't care if you don't know.

[allforall48]

the only difference is israel does not really want anything from gaza, they dont want land, people anything. if hamas left israel aloan, israel would probubly give a lil more land instead of the bloodshead

[dbviewer5]

You can't help the Palestinians. If you try to feed them, they bite off your hand.

[tiretrades]

That's rich. Israel is pounding the palestinenian Civilians with iron & fire and still it's acting as innocent. Historically Jews were not allowed to enter the palestine untill the second caliph of Islam allowed them to do so (no it seems like a mistake) as titus roman and Nebucat knew the jew mentality and barred them from entering Palentine. Exactly as commented by Bernard Shaw " JEW IS A HISTORICAL PROBLEM"

[dbviewer5]

That land has belonged to Israel for thousands of years. God gave it to them, and then drove them out when they began to worship strange gods, and live like the surrounding people. God has caused them to return to a small part of their land. This fulfills Biblical prophesy. The stupid muslims are doing everything they can to remove any trace of Jewish habitation in the area. Especially at the temple mount. The muslims are the trespassers.

[allforall48]

and ur definately not being a nazi....

[allforall48]

no shit

[lisalov4]

what a coward pig is speaking in the vid

[USAFalling]

Bullshit!. Israel has always used divide and conquor tactics.

[waddleduckie1]

The Hamas are just a bunch of ill-educated, foul tempered racist who care less about Israel and the jewish people who live there, and instead bring the plight of the Palestinians, and circulated all of these lies in the first place.

[songtrill]

Oh I can't bear reading this rubbish! Look here in the UK the BBC has even admitted to biased reporting in favour of the Palestinians. It is evident to anyone with half a brain. Israel is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ARABS - THE ARABS ARE. They don't operate refugee camps, the UN does. Israel welcomes LAW-ABIDING Palestinians. Who funds the UN? Not Arabs. You wanted the Gaza Strip. Now fund it. Israel owes you nothing although they keep you supplied with utilities. They have not cut them off.

[Crusaderdeluxe]

Didn't israel just threaten to inflict a holocaust on the people of gaza?

[bigjelmapro]

Nope. 'Shoa' means 'disaster' in Hebrew. And Gaza has been a disaster for quite some time due to Hamas's stupidity.

Back to the trailer with you,

Hehe. Islamist apologist.

[Crusaderdeluxe]

shoah is the jewish word for holocaust.

[bigjelmapro]

I speak Hebrew, do you?

Shoah means 'disaster'. End of story.

[Crusaderdeluxe]

don't give me that bull. the jews use the word shoah to mean holocaust. so he did say a holocaust in gaza

[charlesdarwin55]

I also speak hebrew. The world for holocaust is HA-shoa. Shoa mean disaster, catastrophe.

[charlesdarwin55]

I also speak hebrew. The world for holocaust is HA-shoa. Shoa mean disaster, catastrophe.

[galuiot]

There is no language called jewish.

[2JcS2]

shoah is the hebrew word for holocaust indeed, but as mapro said it's also can be referred to any disaster not only mass-murder by others

[allforall48]

so ur sayning, when hamas fires into israel, israel has no right to fire rockets back?

[2JcS2]

What?

Israel did not mentioned holocaust, israel threatened hamas what we are doing right now, a big disaster upon hamas and gazan people who support this terrorist group

[111256able]

@allforall48 Hamas has Rockets?If hizbollah YES but Hamas? Israeli should get out of Gaza and all occupied land!!I think Israel intend to commit Genocide in Palestine and this was planned long time ago.United Nation should take action against the violations of Human rights in Gaza by Israel.

[gamboni100]

@111256able I thoght Isael left Gaza in 2005 and left no Israeli there but Gilad shalit. I geuss all the rockets they fired from there are just our vivid imagination. I think U.N shuold take action against the violation fo Human rights in Gaza by Hamas

[111256able]

@gamboni100 Hamas is the legal goverment of gaza while Israel is the illegal occopier and in 2005 when Israelis left Gaza,she left a place that does not belong to her So your "violation of Human right" by Hamas is only a fig of your imagination clouded by your biasness and brainwashed brain moulded byJewish owned mainstream medias.Hide your stupidity next time by being silent!

[gamboni100]

@111256able Why is it always that pro Palestinians smear people beacuse they know they are wrong or else they lie. For the arguments let's say Israel left a place that was'nt hers. The point is that today Hamas rule Gaza . When you say that vilation of Human right is my imagination do you mean throwing plo people from the roofs of gaza building , not allowing to hear music etc. killing people that don't agree with you. If that's not vilating human rights than I agree with you.

[111256able]

@gamboni100 go and read the goldstone report!s Somethings that are well established and realised by many ,should not be argued or debted,so dude, read more!!

[gamboni100]

@111256able You still aviod Hamas Human rights vilation. We are not talking about Israel. Yes we are so bad o.k. We are talking about Hamas so if you can't answer about that then don't but stick to the topic

[111256able]

@gamboni100 Hamas is a goverment elected by its peopled.If it misgoverns itself it inevitably will face the dire consequences during the next election.A terrorist nation like Israel has no right to judge others! An illegal occupier is better off judging himself first.

[gamboni100]

@111256able Still you don't condame the Hamas because they are elected goverment. It's funny that you call us a terrorist nation but Hamas is elect by his people so it's o.k. for him to make terrorist acts against us and what's worse against it's own people. The problem is not us judging Hamas but you judging only Israel but Hamas will face the consequence during the next election so he can do whatever he wants.

[111256able]

@gamboni100 You and my opinions are not important.The verdict by International body against Israel is the answer to the problem.Israel was found guilty and the United nation had made a verdict on the atrocities done by Israel against the people of Gaza.Depleted uranium and phrosperous bombs were used against civilians.Israel has become a lunatic nation and their leaders should be dragged to a international court of justice.Palestinians are punished by Israel for voting hamas and the world knows!

[gamboni100]

@111256able Israel was found guilty by a comitty that founded it guilty on the day it was established. There are so much material in the net that will show different results. You and many like you ignor the fact of the eockets from Gaza. I don't know where you are from but living here sending your child to school not knowing if he'll come back safely. Going shoping and hearing a siren "red colour" and then running for the closest shelter and reaching it if you are lucky.

[gamboni100]

@111256able waking up in the middle of the night to the same red colour running to shelter with your children hoping to arive there on time. all that becuse they threw toys at us. People got killed not so many but not because they didn't try. We waited for years before operation cast lead but you can't continue to live like that. There are 2 sides here but for you there is 1 . I wonder what do you think we should have done. I truly want to hear how do you think we shoul have stop the rockets

[Crusaderdeluxe]

if israel is so humanitarian why did it destroy the homes of 1 million people in lebanon in 2006 and why does it do things like steal water and resell it to the palestinians?

[Crusaderdeluxe]

lying zionist bastard

[bigjelmapro]

Anyways, mickeysears, I'm off to bed. Enjoy reveling in your ignorance.

[exweez]

the pals are a people with out a clue.their situation will never change.

[bigjelmapro]

Hassan, enjoy yelping on Youtube where you're only limited to 500 characters.

If you want to actually discuss anything, goto a forum.

[generalmike133]

just the sign of the television studio should give you all the knowledge that they are liars. How about the 30billion that israel got from the US? Let's not even count the rest they recieve from other nations? That would solve the palestinian humanitarian problem at once. But NOOOOOO let's keep bombing them, cutting electric and keep behaving like the nazi cause for all, it's all there is in your retarde minds! really you'rr by no means a people from god!

[songtrill]

Nothing would solve your humanitarian problem because your leaders do not use the money for the people but for themselves and their own pockets. The Gaza strip was a thriving community before America forced the Israelis to leave and the Arabs went in and destroyed it. The leaders only wanted another access point to lob their rockets into Israel goading them into retaliation to gain yet more sympathy from the world. Not all of us are fooled by your leaders tactics and nor should you be.

[generalmike133]

now tell me my friend cause i'm european not palestinian how many jews did die from the rockets? take even in all history how many jews died under palestinians? let's compare for a change cause you accuse people that trow rocks at your tanks towards ultra modern us backed jewish army?

[songtrill]

Well I'm English and if my neighbour threw rocks over my fence on a daily basis, whether or not somebody got killed, I would retaliate - no question. Are you implying they get no support. They get funding from US, Canada, EU, Norway, Russia et al and Iran and Syria supply them with arms. Who are the suicide bombers? Not Israelis.

[hassan691987]

lol ur dumb. u forgot that the palestinians are living under occupation, if it were jews, the world would react differently. again look at the comparison of deaths

[Kubsky]

bastard, what do u mean "are still occupying gaza"??? we leave this facking place in 2005!!! don't u know yet, fucking idiot??? but your fuckin "warriors of allah-cocksucker" still launching rockets on our cities! so fuck off!

[hassan691987]

lol why so angry? then why does israel control all the borders and the sea? even if it wasnt occupied it would still be a crime because israel is killing people in there and making it impossible for them to leave or live a better life. typical western morals, make them suffer for practicing democracy just like in nicaragua and chile

[bigjelmapro]

Defense of their own borders is wrong how? Any country does this. Palestinian terrorist organizations use the sea to transport weapons. Look up 'Karine-A'.

The Palestinians chose their own leadership. Too bad for them that they chose a terrorist organization that uses its people as human shields and as cannon fodder.

[mickeysears]

Why would Isreal need to occupy Gaza? They just simply turn off the water and electricity and let the population suffer. I'd hate you too.

[songtrill]

Don't continue with rocket attacks then. Who desalineated the water and put in the electricity. Why can't you?

[mickeysears]

LOL I see. What a typical answer. Deprive an entire population of the basic necessity of water, heating, refrigeration, health, and sanitation. Hmmmmmm. So your convicting a race of people for the actions of a few of it's kind. Where have I heard that before? The very people that are doing that should know the answer.

[Kubsky]

mickeysears, u say bullshit, u even don't know what are u talking about. Don't u want to came into Ashqelon or Sderot, and to feel what feel people there?

[mickeysears]

Go to Gaza and feel what your sanctions and power and water cutoffs and lack of food and clean clothes feels like there.

[bigjelmapro]

Why not go to Africa? Then you actually see desperation, not simply media hype.

They don't have a lack of food and Israel supplies 70% of Gaza's electricity. And yet, Israel has to take all the missile/mortar attacks.

Cut them off completely from Israel and let Egypt take care of them as they 'wonderfully' did from 1948-1967.

[bigjelmapro]

No, simply let the Arabs take care of the Arab problem. The Arab bloc should back up their statements they make towards the Palestinians. However, this is not the case. Israel contributes more to the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians than any Arab country.

Israel takes care of its own and should not put the needs of the Palestinians over the needs of their own people.

End of story.

[generalmike133]

what arms???? rocks??? if iran would give them weapens or russia for that matter they would run like when they tried in lebanon. and think about how desperate people need to be to blow themself up!!! OH right you believe they love it! supid fuck

[mickeysears]

"Who are the suicide bombers?" Why would you have to be a suicide bomber when you have tanks and F18's. If it's war you want let's make it even and give the Palestinians something to fight with. They lob rockets and wound one and Isreal kills 50. Yea I guess, in your diluted mind, thats even.

[bigjelmapro]

For what reason? If they want to exist in their backward ways, let them. No need for Israel to get involved anymore.

The kills ratio as an argument is moot. If a culture embraces death and shahidism, add in some meager training before attacking Israel to get media coverage, then ofcourse you have more deaths.

Few terrorist apologists like yourself know that half of qassams land in Gaza, killing civilians, which are blamed on Israel.

[mickeysears]

I'm am certainly no terrorist apologist, otherwise I'd be like the majority here backing up Isreal. Kill ratio may be moot to you but not the people getting killed. How many women, children and babies are being killed due to the sanctions Isreal places on the Palistinians through there cutting water electricity and supplies? Lack of refrigeration, unsanitary conditions through no water flow, food poisonings and disease and no medicine all contribute to deaths that doesn't get media coverage.

[bigjelmapro]

Using the argument of death ratios is moot.

I'm in no way, shape or form justifying or rooting for their deaths. I'm not like the Palestinians who cheered, handing out candies and prayed when those 8 Israeli civilians were intentionally targeted an Palestinian.

The sanctions aren't killing anybody. Food, water, electricity, medical supplies are coming into Gaza everyday, ranging from 40-50 truckloads. There is no cutting whatsoever, just a lessening. That's the bullshit from the media.

[mickeysears]

You keep using that media arguement seemingly as an anti Isreal slant. But the media is pro Isreal or haven't you noticed? So I can just imagine what's really going on if some of the really bad things Isreal does doesn't even make the evening news. No cutting what so ever? I don't think you even believe that.

[bigjelmapro]

No, haven't noticed. Watched CNN, Sky, BBC, Al Jazeera, Fox. The only one, which I don't pay much attention to for obvious purposes is Fox. The rest always seem to denounce Israel's need to defend its people against missile attacks.

I really don't understand people like yourself who state that the media overall is pro-Israel. That is simply not the case and I doubt you watch much news then.

Supplies have been lessened, not cut. Israel has ALWAYS been supplying Gaza with electricity.

[mickeysears]

You haven't noticed that the media is not pro Isreal? Now that's a joke right?

[bigjelmapro]

Give me some examples, besides fox, that is pro-Israel. Or do you mean 'pro-Israel' when it doesn't use 'occupation' in every 3rd word?

The media tries to 'balance' both sides and does as pretty shitty job trying to equate the actions by Hamas and other terrorist organizations and that of the IAF/IDF in the defense of Israel. There is no equating, there is no 'cycle of violence'. Israel would stop at any point when the missiles stop falling, Hamas wouldn't stop at all. 'Hudnas' don't count.

[bigjelmapro]

As I've said before, I'm not going by your misguided definition of terrorism, its not politically motivated. Terrorism is the intentional use of violence against 'soft' (non-military-related) targets, namely civilians. Israel is NOT intentionally targeting to inflict massive civilian casualties.

There is not equivalence to what Hamas is intentionally doing and have stated what their intentions are.

So enough with the bullshit antics.

[mickeysears]

Who's misguided now? Terrorism not politically motivated? It's totally political, on both sides and in the reporting as well. So I guess targeting Hamas leaders with high explosive rockets, with a kill radius of 30 meters, that takes out (intentionally kills) surrounding civilians and then reports that Hamas used civilians as human shields is OK. I guess that's the way Isreal tells (terrorizes) Palestinians civilians into staying far away from their leaders. Gee those guys can get you killed.

[bigjelmapro]

The definition of terrorism, not the actual reasoning for it, if there really is any reasoning, is what I was referring to (and stated this).

These ASMs don't have a kill radius of 30 meters. These are not fragmentary missiles. These are kinetic missiles to direct targeting.

The IAF targets these terrorists at the time when it causes least collateral damage. Civilians aren't intentionally targeted by the IAF. Don't confuse this with hamas.

Civilians should stay away from these terrorists.

[Crusaderdeluxe]

yes they are. stop with the lies

[Crusaderdeluxe]

it's not intentional because israel says so?

[generalmike133]

and another thing is, we saw on the news today just because a shoting happened at a school all people where calling for the distruction of all arabs? Since when can you blame arabs for a native persons that commits these crimes?

[hassan691987]

lol gaza was thriving. dumbass, i am from there and a 1.5 million people seem to believe the opposite. gaza will always be in this situation until israel obeys the law

[ahage4x4]

Yes and the Hamas killed 30 babies last week right ? The blood is on Israel's hands point. Kill civilians in Gaza and don't moan when they kill civilians in Jerusalem.

[HohGwuhn]

god has seen u strugglin. god says its over. a blessing is comin ur way. if u belive in god send to ten ppl. dont ignore it ur being tested.

[hassan691987]

lol not only are u all just plain stupid, but morally sick also. guess what, the holocaust was the jews fault! lol typical nazi propaganda, u guys learned from ur enemy well

[bigjelmapro]

Sorry, but Muslims have the history of direct collaboration with the Nazis. Never checked out the photo-op of Mufti Al-Hussaini with Hitler?

How is protecting your own citizens morally sick? Guess the Egyptians are morally sick too for dumping the Gaza problem on Israel's doorstep.

Israel pulled out in Aug. 2005, there is no 'occupation' and its been long enough babysitting a truly backward and vociferous population hellbent on destroying Israel.

[hassan691987]

lol its israel "problem" because they are still occupying gaza, and destroying it. just look at any human rights report, all condemn israel which also bears the burden because it is the more powerful of the two and therefore is responsible for the most casualties in the conflict. just look at the numbers, and last time i checked it was israel that already wiped palestine off the map and refuses to recognize it. i dont have time to give u a history lesson, i recommend u read "beyond chutzpa"

[songtrill]

I rcommend you read ex-terrorist Walid Shoebat's book "Why we want to kill you" - an unbiased account straight from the horse's mouth.

[hassan691987]

lol r u serious? and he is a better resource than a renowned scholar like norman finkelstein? no, i distance myself from silly propaganda, its not good for the mind

[songtrill]

Please yourself. As you know the Israelis were driven out of Gaza - thanks to Condoleeza Rice - they haven't "occupied" it for years. Israel wants to live in peace. Arab human rights are Arab leaders concern. Israel looks after her own.

[hassan691987]

lol u wouldnt know the truth if it hit u in the face, israel has been responsible for barbaric human rights abuses ever since 1948 way before there was suicide bombers, o yea and about the arab leaders, apparently we are not allowed to have any that are not ur stooges so yea i guess they wouldnt care huh

[Kubsky]

hassan691987 you don't know what r u talking about. so stop write this shit. songtrill is right 100%. We don't wanna even know what's going on in Gaza, BUT if you lounching rockets every day we have to protect our land, so sorry, don't start with us, and you can leave in peace!!!

[hassan691987]

lol i dont know what im talking about. im sure u dont want to know whats going on in gaza because u will find out ur favorite governments r responsible for ethnic cleansing. protect ur land from home made rockets? come on u guys r supplied by the united snakes what r u bitching about. how many of us have israel killed? have u ever counted? or then again we are just like ants u step on. history and facts arent that important to u people

[bigjelmapro]

There was still terrorism prior to Israel being formed in 1948. Terrorism prior to any occupation. How do you account for that?

Muslim Arabs simply cannot deal with Jews as 'kaffirs' having their own country.

Apply the same standard to Jordan and Egypt when they occupied Gaza and the WB between 1948-1967.

Human rights abuses, hehe. Get a clue.

[hassan691987]

lol such as? the only terrorism i can think of are those by those crazy zionist. how about this, present me some evidence? o yea and jews have been living with us for centuries

[bigjelmapro]

Its good that one doesn't apply your skewed definition of what 'terrorism' is.

Jews have been living in this area prior to any of you even existing in the area. Just as long as you subjugate 'kaffirs', then you don't complain.

The Temple mount wasn't 'holy' to Islam until Israel took it back in 1967.

Evidence for what?

[hassan691987]

lol u have a at-best lacking knowledge of history. evidence of ARAB TERRORISM PRIOR TO 1948 but yea i forgot u people just shout slogans ISRAEL IS GREAT, ARABS ARE EVIL "no matter what the facts are" following ur old terrorist patron george bush the first

[bigjelmapro]

Ah, the pigeon-holing tactic again. I really don't care for it. But nice try.

[hassan691987]

what is that? before 1948 things werent all perfect but much better than now, sure there were the zionists causing trouble and dealing with the british on how to settle on this land of "nothing significant, a few hundred thousand negroes" (balfour declaration) and then u effectively wiped the arabs off the map and been living in ur safe american subsidized settlements treating us like 2nd class garbage. 64% of israelis want the govt to talk to hamas, the elected legit govt of palestine

[bigjelmapro]

Zionism (as the ideology of Jews returning to their homeland) was in full stride before Arab immigration to 'Palestine' picked up from the 1860's onwards. This was a century before Arabs conveniently started calling themselves 'Palestinians'.

At this time in all the region, there existed ~200,000, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Ba'ahis. But I guess you'd just love to start counting heads from the post WWI period.

Hamas is a terrorist group,. deal with it.

[hassan691987]

lollllll 1860's? o my god, i hope u have the good evidence for this. fyi, the zionist movement started with herzl in the late 19th century. actually hitler was a fervant zionist. we have lived there for thousands of years, and u white so-called half bred jews wanna return after 2000 years? lol and on the terrorist scale, hamas are small compared to israel and US favorites, they also happen to be the democratically elected government of palestine, but yea democracy is not an important value for u

[bigjelmapro]

Sorry, was 400,000, 1860, ~200,000 in J'lem with a Jewish majority for at least 200 years. Justin McCarthy who used ottoman records.

Zionism, as in the ideological movement started with Herzl, but the concept (as I mentioned) existed long before then.

'Democratically elected' doesn't protect anybody if they choose to attack a country with missiles and suicide bombers.

Anyways, I'm off.

[Crusaderdeluxe]

what homeland? european jews are turkic

[Crusaderdeluxe]

european jews are recent immigrants retard.

[mcdanielcj]

Do you even know what Zionism is? you're an idiot dude. Religion and politics don't mix. This is a fight against terrorists. Not ethnic cleansing. Maybe you should pull your goddamn head out of your ass before you start talking again.

[111256able]

@mcdanielcj Ya .You are right!Its a war against Terrorism.In this case, Israel is the Terrorists.Israel provide humanitarian aid? hehehehehee BIG JOKE!

[Crusaderdeluxe]

read a book israel has occupied gaza and the west bank for 40 years. shame on you. read a book.

[bigjelmapro]

Ah ha. And Aug. 2005 doesn't ring a bell? The complete pullout of Gaza.

Know what caused the 'occupation'? Arab incited wars and continued belligerency.

Get a clue newbie.

[Crusaderdeluxe]

so i guess just forgive and forget after 40 years of occupation right after they pull out.

the 6 day war was started by israel. they shot the first shot THEREFORE it was started by them. why are you putting occupation in quotation marks? where do you get your information from? meir kahane and the idf?

[bigjelmapro]

And Israel should forget all the Arabs' failed wars to destroy Israel?

Actual Syria was shelling Israeli towns from the Golan for months prior to the '67 war. Jordan shelled W. Jerusalem a week prior to the reprisal attack by Israel.

Get your facts straight.

I served in the IDF, was in the 2006 Lebanon war. You're simply another armchair warrior simpleton.

[bigjelmapro]

It doesn't matter what kind of track record/background anybody has. People like yourself embrace any idiot that is vociferous against Israel.

Any more bullshit?

[hassan691987]

yea i dont suppose u have any evidence supporting that there was arab terrorism against jews before 1948? but thats right, u guys dont bother urself with evidence

[bigjelmapro]

Hebron 1929 and a slew of other pogroms.

Sorry, but not going through the same song and dance with every terrorist apologist.

You portray everything as being perfectly fine in pre-1948 times.

[hassan691987]

a slew huh. lol a source would be nice, i could give u an overwhelming amount of israeli massacres on us. "same song and dance"? or is it u dont like to bother urself with facts?

[bigjelmapro]

I've heard plenty of these so-called 'massacres', much of which is simply disinformation to get the Arabs riled up against Israel, e.g. Deir Yassin.

So save the cut-and-paste routine from Palestineremembered . com or Rense.

Don't care for Arab propagandist 'facts'.

[hassan691987]

lolllllll then that proves it to me. the amnesty international, red cross, and UN are all run by ARABS what a relief lol. unlike ur "facts" from dershowitz, fox news, the IDF, and other great reliable sources

[bigjelmapro]

How do you know which sources I use? I actually read books knitwit. Not simply watch the media, read short summaries on the internet, or watch youtube vids for my information.

So what about the UN? Don't care for the Arab bloc that condemns Israel all the time.

[hassan691987]

what about all the UN resolutions passed against israel's illegal behavior since 1967, and resolution 242, unilatterally blocked by israel and its pimp the US. ring a bell? yea youtube discussions arent that great but one gets sick and tired of justifications for dead babies. wouldnt u?

[bigjelmapro]

Why do you bring up resolutions that were never accepted by the Arab bloc? Only after the constant loss of wars to destroy Israel, do the Arabs conveniently bring up resolutions.

242 was adopted unanimously, and was not 'blocked'. Refugees refers to all kinds, not just Arabs. And no 1967 lines mentioned either.

Getting sick of dead children? Well, stop Hamas launching qassams. Half of them land in Gaza and have killed Palestinian civilians, which are conveniently blamed on Israel too.

[Crusaderdeluxe]

walid shoebat is a christian zionist. very very far from unbiased

[jamiegirl27]

The destruction of the palestinians is one of their own making!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!a­nd NOT Israel.

[mcdanielcj]

This is the fault of the terrorist group Hamas.

[Vwatcher12]

"and indeed thier no such crisuss" Keep Telling People what they "should" know i bet menny People do just eat up all this Propaganda Bull.>=[

[bhatindawalla]

Ging get the money from the arabs to feed them. Don't blame the Israelis.