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Hard economic times are thinning the heard and those who cannot compete well due to whatever reasons will either not make it or suffer badly in the years to come. Women will breed with these winners but perhaps we will also breed a new generation of greedy psychopaths who will do anything to get ahead.
@TheMasterofrevenge actually I'd say the primary interest is shoving everyone into the lowest slave class from every class just above it. That way there's only "super rich" and "super poor". This is the strongest wave of anti-capitalism to ever exist: robbing people to make them poor with NO use of capitalism for savings OR income.
Free market capitalism, massive decentralization, personal freedom both socially and economically, and sound money based upon austrian economics is the only path to a prosperous future. The technocrats are the enemy.
i keep reading what ppl r saying but there is one thing u all got wrong,what the world has today is not capitalism every economist can agree on that,the ppl who created it would be jumping up and down what has happened to there lifes work and how the ppl have been brainwashed not to understand how it works and the true meaning what capitalism is when it was created we all want to learn the truth but yet we all fall for the lies being repeated so they can steal it all
@lastpoet1 I get where you are coming from, but you've got to understand that what we have today is the end result of Capitalism. Spin it any way you want, but the very system designed to empower the average man and reward his personal efforts to toil on the land and build wealth was easily hijacked. That's the problem with people who back the idea of returning to "true Capitalism", they lack the understanding that there is this thing called "corruption" and it's difficult to monitor.
"Is it really so hard to imagine the world as your home and the population as part of your extended family?"
Impossible. It is not so and it can not be so.
My home has small boundaries suited to me PERSONALLY and my family has small boundaries clearly showing the rest of humanity is NOT my family and will kill/eat anything needed, including me, to get its way.
"on the planet to death and discourse because they were dealt a hand in talents and behaviors that just so happen to NOT be profitable in this current life"
Absolutely.
That's the PURPOSE of life.
To let the strong survive and the weak be removed.
"but you've got to understand that what we have today is the end result of Capitalism"
I see no such thing. Capitalism requires non-debt assets be traded between willing parties.
This is not today's situation nor the recent past. Instead there's central government control over paper money and NO allowance to own property like a HOUSE/land (gov can take it any time) and NO allowance for free trade (you must use their paper). That's strictly ANTI-capitalist.
Allodial title to home/land was REMOVED. This has been fought HARD in court. The loss means you can NEVER own a piece of land. THAT is killing people. That is STRICTLY anti-capitalist
Corruption is EASY to monitor AND STOP: you need to BLOCK ALL Central control and this REQUIRES capitalism.
Capitalism is de-centralized by nature and all-powerful compared to anything else.
@enticed2zeitgeist not really it's easy if the china can do it so could we and the one rule we should adopt is there law against white collar crime that would make wallstreet and the banks stop fucking around
@lastpoet1 Lets pretend we could just flip a switch and revert back or even try a new form of Capitalism. How do you prevent people from being corrupt and participating unfairly?
@enticed2zeitgeist do what china has done for white collar crimes...death and send the bullet case to there family to pay all of wallstreet and the banks would stop fucking around cause white collar crimes is what has fucked up the system to the world and causes more damage to the ppl as a whole across the world then we clean house across the world with our leaders and make new and special laws for them
@enticed2zeitgeist also when those laws came into effect our leaders would do what the ppl want and rule with there hearts cause the hateful ones would be to scared to run
Capitalism one day will be talked about in the same breath as Nazism, fascism, and communism. Just another ism that just divided people and stopped them from talking to each other in a calm non-ideological way to find real common solutions. Capitalism is perhaps the most evil ism yet though because it is in the process right now of destroying the world's global ecological systems and using up our remaining resources, which puts future human civilization and life on earth in jeopardy.
The current form of capitalism requires some form of stratified class system. Oligarchy, Plutacracy, Aristocracy, these are all requirements of the system we live in.
Everyone cannot be "rich".... And as tehcnology advances it is inevitable that everyone cannot "work".... So what do you end up with?
@oolong2 capitalism never required stratified classes. This is all nature of all life: stratified classes. It's part of evolution in terms of abilities & locales in use by the species. This has nothing to do with oligarchy, plutocracy or aristocracy. 0% related.
With more technology everyone can & will work. Work ALONE and work FOR SELF-SUFFICIENCY, not for someone else.
The worldwide elites are indeed rethinking Davos, they are thinking about ways how they can line their pockets even more at the costs of those who work,
Those elites will never dismiss their own system until it collapse because of their conceit and aggression. That's why all those empires come to the end such as Rome, Britain, now is America.
Oh white collar criminals... They take $ from the working class American taxpayer and gets away from murder and never face the justice system. Unbelievable.
"Rethinking Capitalism" ... to figure out how to tie up all the loose ends and create full fledged Fascism rather than the patch-work Fascism we have now.
Central planners meeting to talk about how they can central plan even more. They haven't learned anything. It's not how you central plan that's the issue, it's the approach itself. Only the free market knows how the economy works, not men.
@sniper6081 a laissez-faire markey would only take care of the people who know how to manipulate it. It's a fallacy that it will reward the hard worker and the smart guy.
@giancarlo3000 No man can manipulate the market unless they have the force to do so. The only people that have that would be the government, which is anything but laissez-faire.
@sniper6081 Well, that assumption you make of no man being able to manipulate the market cannot be proved. We have never lived in a laissez-faire society so we don't know how markets would behave in such environment. I'm no expert, but a system where you have to compete and there is no rules to limit what you can do is a recipe for disaster. A society with no rules would be functiona only if there is abundance and no one has to compete against each other for surviving.
@sniper6081 Of course it doesn't. It was not laissez-faire altough it was a product of it perhaps. First the great depression was caused by banks that were in some sort of symbiosis with the state. And then, the govt "rescued" the economy applying keynesian economics (intervention). I recommend you watch the documentary "The Money Masters" made by a known libertarian called Bill Still.
@sniper6081 I'm sorry I hadn't read your message well. Ok, that period might have count, but what no one says about the industrial revolution is that it was achieved with extremely cheap labor. Per every rich, there were hundreds of thousands of people woriking 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. Children, women, old people, they'll were exploited to get that level of industtialization. It's been the most atroucios period for the working class (majority of people) that we have ever known.
@giancarlo3000 Of course working conditions back then were poor and miserable, everyone was. Before the industrial revolution people traveled between towns on muddy roads that carried disease. Medical care amounted to cutting limbs off. Food was almost always infested with some kind of parasite or fungus. Working your way out of poverty isn't easy or pretty, but there's no other way to do it. That's why the industrial revolution happened. You need to create the capital necessary to do so first.
@sniper6081 It was hard back then. Right now, we have a system that makes it difficult. What is wealth? For me wealth is having instant acces to everything I need to be happy (food, water, shelter, relevant education, health, recreation). Those things are not going to be achieved by political or economic policies. If we were smart enough to use our technical knowledge (engeneering, medice, agronomy, transportation, construction) the world would be out of poverty in a matter of years.
@giancarlo3000 I suppose wealth is different things to different people, and you're right. People these days have the know how to get themselves out of poverty. The problem is, other people won't let them. The government won't let them. And the worst part is, the government thinks that by doing what they do it's helping them. Regulations only harm the little guy. It's easy for a giant corporation to follow all those laws, because they have the resources. The little guy doesn't.
@sniper6081 The government is just a product of the monetary system. The government responds to the interests of the most powerful now, but If the most powerful didn't want a government it wouldn't exist. In a laissez-faire market, if the most powerful wanted a government, they would create it and no one could stop them, is a vicious circle. Nobody's free in a world where real or artificial scarcity exists, they'll always have to submiss to someone elses will (govt, corp, boss, etc)
@giancarlo3000 Government is the product of the people. We made it and continue to shape it today. Those who caused these problems will be dealt with in the future, but if you want to know whose fault it is, you need only look in a mirror. Despite the fact that our politicians short comings are painfully obvious the people still continue to choose them over more principled individuals. Those people then turn around and create those interest you've been talking about, like the federal reserve.
@sniper6081 The concept of government is a product of the people, that is not argueable, we have the mentality that we need an "alfa male" to tell us what to do. But the shape that goverments have is given by the elite. In USA the government is the corporations because they are the elite, in China the govt is the communist party because they're the elite, in switzerland the govt is practicly everyone (direct democracy). Elites are the groups that have the control of scarce resources.
@giancarlo3000 The "elites" are nothing more than the class of citizen that are the smartest or most successful. Hating on them because they're elite is technically prejudice. Anyway, it doesn't matter who "controls" what if they don't have the force to back it up. Government is the only institution with that kind of force. Government can collude with others to help them gain actual control over things, but it's not just corporations, special interest groups, the people, they're all guilty.
@sniper6081 Nobody hates the elites for being smart and succesful. They're hated for creating systems that work only in favor ot themselves and impose them to those who aren't as smart, strong and succesful. I agree, it's not good to have the power concentrated in the govt, but is less chaotic than letting every individual to use force as they see it fit by having their own private armies, the force wouldn't be used by govt but it'd be used by the particulars instead, so dangerous.
@giancarlo3000 In case you didn't know, there are hundreds of private armies in this country already. In fact, the second largest armed force in this country is the South East Michigan militia, with the largest being the military. Those guys have tanks, helicopters, howitzers, you name it, and they're not the only ones. Missouri has one too, Texas has like, fifteen, and Oklahoma has five. That's not even all the militias and yet things seem fine so far.
@sniper6081 Yes, but still, the American Govt has the monopoly on the use of force. The govt keeps the order. If you suddenly disperse the use of force into those militias you are naming, they would be abbusive because there would be no one to control them and everything would be a complete chaos. Right now they're just using the constutuional right to me armed. They have the right to have those arms but they don't have the right to use them. (you donot need a tank for self defense)
@giancarlo3000 Just because the militias don't use the force they have doesn't mean the government has a monopoly on force. They just know how to control themselves. If anyone is causing disorder right now it's the government, with their war on drugs, and hindrance of trade, and their endless wars of aggression. Also what sense does, "They have the right to those arms, but not to use them," make? Wouldn't that make them useless. Why would the second amendment even exist?
@sniper6081 The objective of being allowed to have those weapons is self defense right? So, do you actually think that a militian has the right to use a helicopter or a tank to defend himself against a thief? I really don't think so. Look, I do agree that the govt is starting a chaos that will not be able to control, but I don't think that force should be used by particulars as they see it fit right now. We have too much misallocation of resources, unequity and non educated people.
@giancarlo3000 No, I think they'll need those tanks and helicopters to defend themselves from the government. That is the ultimate intent of the second amendment after all. You'd be pretty naive to think otherwise. Misallocation of resources; you can thank the Federal reserve's price fixing for that. Unequity; that goes to federal agencies favoring some corporations over with their regulations and selective enforcement. Non educated people; that goes the public education system.
@sniper6081 Well, I have to admit those were pretty good and solid arguements, But still, the sudden abolition of govt would be even worse than what we have know. We have to make people less dependand on the current system in order to do so. Don't fight the government, don't be foolish... As Buckminster Fuller said "You do not fight an existing system, you build a new system that makes the other one obsolete".
Capitalism isn't 'Broken'... THEY deliberately messed it up with de-regulation!! Problem reaction solution & what's the betting they have their ready-made 'solution' up their sleeve too (just waiting for things to get bad enough for people to 'demand' it)
I've got a simple solution for them & it echoes the catch phrase that got us all into this 'too-big-to-fail' mess...it goes RE-REGULATION, RE-REGULATION, RE-REGULATION of *all* corporations especially the Multi-Nationals! Simples
@enticed2zeitgeist okay I heard you the first time... but just because RP say it don't make it gospel. Maybe our immediate financial problems were more about de-regulation of the banking system (that's what I was thinking of) but it follows for most corporations (BP for example) they don't give a damn about you your kids or anyone else... just MONEY & the next 'Bonus'. If they have to throw toxic fiat money at you or toxic paint or toxic food it makes no difference to them
@ejbh3160 That kind of behaviour has to be expected in any monetary based world right? Just imagine how dynamic the human population can be. Think about how great Michael Jordan was at basketball. Think of that raw natural talent and passion for the game and good he was. Now imagine someone else just as talented but with business, economics, and profiteering.
Those specific individuals who are the most greedy and self rewarding bitches are the ones we put atop the social pyramid.
@enticed2zeitgeist no they put themselves there... we were sleeping while they built the pyramid... and besides if you look at history when it all gets out of control it usually doesn't end well for them powers that be.
@ejbh3160 Yea, sleeping tends to happen. That's what I keep saying to you. The average person doesn't want to spend the majority of their day keeping track of what everyone else is doing. If we take that into account does it really make sense to have Capitalism?
Perhaps reading some books on Psychology and human behaviour might help you understand why people do the things that they do.
The 'average person' (??) seems to spend plenty of time keeping track of what everyone else is doing these days. Ever heard of twitter & facebook or even 'YouTube? Information has become integral to people's lives. We are more & more 'connected' each day. And as for human behaviour.. perhaps you should google for the difference between enlightened self-interest (alturism) & unenlightened self interest (greed). Might 'help' you understand too.
@ejbh3160 Lol. Now if only those global elitist bankers would tweet their crimes, open up a Youtube channel and add me to their Facebook, then maybe you might be on topic.
I understand the difference greed and altruism. Capitalism is greed as it presupposes that everyone is self maximizing and at the heart of it's Utopian dream is ridiculous never ending "fair" competition. The legal system required to effectively monitor "global elites" probably can't even exist.
@spark300c Yes, but you have to account for the fact that the human condition will be encouraged to self maximize. Which means if fraud and corruption are a package deal in any monetary based system. That's why true "free markets" never lasted. It just assumed everyone would play the game properly. That's why so many people see true free markets as a utopian fantasy. You can't even get people to play pro-sports just and fairly why would you expect it to be different with money?
@spark300c Yes, but you are completely avoiding the realization that humans will will lie, cheat and steal. Do you not understand that corruption is inherent in any economic system?
@ejbh3160 sorry it was not that easy. it was fact most of them could get away with fraud which was illegal. plus the fed set rates to low and government pushed for people who could afford homes. the problem how can stupid over seers notice that fraud going on. not every regulation is beneficial and not every deregulation is beneficial.
@spark300c I didn't say it was easy... just that de-regulation was what got the ball rolling & re-regulation is how we could stop all the ball rolling.
@ejbh3160 maybe but in usa the fox is watching the hen house. plus it happen many time before. it when banker form a cartel and set rates to low. they set market to crash. so they preform pump and dump
CBC actually covered this! I was pretty surprised. The Occupy movement was mentioned quite a bit in the story. In my eyes, the Occupy movement has successfully brought these questions to some sources of media for popular exposure. Great job Occupy!
@jsb06g Nope, it has to do with a very small group of privileged people who have all the fucking money and want to keep it for themselves. The majority of white people in this world are poor. Let go of your racism. The globalist want us to be at each others throats so they can sit back and laugh at us.
Davos participants have no clue what the real capitalism looks like. Many people are convinced these elitists should be all arrested for high treason and crimes against humanity, immediately hanged and their assets confiscated.
@SvrchovaneCechy Yea, most people believe that, but I disagree. I don't see why we should blame people for playing the game better than us. Capitalism at it's heart is about competition. You don't punish a basketball team for recruiting the best players and building their team as strong as they can with every advantage that is available to them. It's not the people that are to blame, it's the system that encourages this kind of behavior to be so prevalent. Just my two cents.
@MFINN23 Nah man. It's the "games" fault. It's the way the game is designed. Would you honestly expect a system of "never ending competition" to be played fairly? I can't even think of a single parent I know that would expect their children to play fairly if they had to compete for everything they need/want and yet we expect the whole planet to play this game with out serious incidents? What a fantastical utopian dream.
@MFINN23 No it doesn't. Government steps in because Capitalism is just an economic system. It still requires a system of law to govern what is fair and what isn't, which is where authority and regulation steps in. When people "break" the rules. Which is where corruption comes in as well. Kind of obvious isn't it?
@enticed2zeitgeist If the federal reserve wasn't pumping up companies and creating bubbles then capitalism would run smoothly. Yes anti-trust laws and stuff like that are important but we could do with a lot less government entanglement in business.
@MFINN23 Yea of course. That's like saying "If only everyone shared and wasn't corrupt" we could have an ever lasting harmony. It doesn't take into account human behavior and tendencies. How can you not see that?
@MFINN23 Of course there isn't anything wrong with that. What I'm trying to tell you is that the chances of that happening every time in a favourable manner are EXTREMELY fucking low. That's why the true free market didn't last forever which is what I keep re-iterating to you. Human behaviour (natural law) triumphs over any man made creation, including Capitalism.
If you could just create laws and solve problems why do people still speed in their cars? Litter? Harm one another?
@enticed2zeitgeist Thats like saying we shouldn't have free will because some people kill eachother. There's nothing wrong with a capitalistic system.
@MFINN23 No it's not "like saying we shouldn't have free will", it's actually saying "we don't have free will" for that would entail that people can make choices free of influence. You can only make choices that you have been influenced by. How can someone make a choice if they aren't aware that choice exists? You are living in a dinosauric predisposition. The world has grown up. We know a lot about the Universe and human behaviour, things Jefferson didn't have at his disposal.
@MFINN23 Just think about what Capitalism really is. It's competition. Everyone competing against everyone else for their lively hood. I can't think of a single sane person I know that would even consider raising their children that way. Imagine, children competing for their parents love and support and food at the table. What a barbaric way of imaging the world.
@enticed2zeitgeist It's the best choice for a consumer society because the consumer always benefits in a free market. It seems barbaric if you look at it with a narrow scope. But the only way to progress is capitalism. There would be no innovation without it. Without capitalism everyone would just be working to survive and not be concerned about anything else. I mean I guess if you have a more simplistic outlook at what you want out of life then you can do without it.
@MFINN23 Capitalism is a system for seperating people, but humanity is a species of highly interdependent players.
You cannot say that in the past, when true resource scarcity existed and Capitalism was useful, that in a world where we can realize resource abundance (which we fully can)... that Capitalism is still even relevant. It's not, and in fact does far more damage than we should be tolerant of.
That's incredibly telling for you to say that a person disagreeing with you is "simplistic".
@MFINN23 "It's the best choice for a consumer society", you aren't supposing that "a consumer society" is somehow the way society ought to be are you? Even if it were, I'm sure there are much better systems at delivering infinite amounts of desires to a population than Capitalism.
"It seems barbaric if you look at it with a narrow scope." So do you raise or plan to raise your children in a way that makes them compete for support from you? Sounds awfully immoral to me.
@MFINN23 "There would be no innovation without it." That's interesting. From my research most of the worlds greatest achievements actually came from the desire to do good, not to make money. Which might explain why the people who push Society forward aren't in it for the money. Leading scientists are lucky to make $60k a year. Social leaders like Ghandi, and King also weren't in it for the money. So who are you referring to here?
@MFINN23 "Without capitalism everyone would just be working to survive and not be concerned about anything else." I suppose if you are assuming that every single person has an infinite amount of physical desires and wants to consume endlessly until their life is over you might be correct. I'm also interested to hear what you base that assumption on. I happen to know plenty of people and see evidence everywhere day that this isn't the case.
@MFINN23 "I mean I guess if you have a more simplistic outlook at what you want out of life then you can do without it." Yes, and the majority of the world does have a simplistic outlook. Like I mentioned before, the only people who are after infinite amounts of control and possession and influence are the people at the top of the Pyramid. Obvious isn't it?
@MFINN23 One also has to assume that Capitalism can even exist in reality. Which it appears it cannot as I have provided countless examples of how human behaviour and natural law overrides Capitalistic ideals.
@enticed2zeitgeist No one takes the Zietgeist movement seriously. Your dream is just that and nothing more.Human behavior would easily override your supposed supercomputer and it's nonexistant algorythm.
@dirtbagstatus 14 Million Views and counting on the last Film and largely the film is "liked" (75,812 likes, 4,057 dislikes). You don't think movements such as Occupy is largely composed of people now searching for a world with a completely different design?
So when you say "No one takes the Zietgeist movement seriously" what sources are you going by?
The chances of a full out RBE like TZM advocates is probably impossible. As it's something the species would have to grow into.
@enticed2zeitgeist most people don't have time to go to the zeitgeist movie to mark "dislike". Most people clicking "like" to Moving Forward do so once per day every day since the movie came out - tons of duplicates.
OWS & Zeitgeist have very few in common. Zeitgeist tried to infiltrate & has been rejected many times.
@bamboo4tameshigiri the Youtube system allows duplicate Likes and Views every single day. Return the next day, view the movie and it will add a view. This happens every day across all of Youtube.
@bamboo4tameshigiri I am correct. Duplicate views are reported as unique views. Duplicate 'like' votes are also recorded. Have been for over a year, no question. I tested it myself every day.
@bamboo4tameshigiri I'm not a liar. I clicked like or dislike every day on some videos and watched the counter move immediately and stay there. If youtube finally removes this then that's a new change. for the last 2 years SOLID that's worked.
@ytgv3fc7 "most people don't have time to go to the zeitgeist movie to mark "dislike". Most people clicking "like" to Moving Forward do so once per day every day since the movie came out - tons of duplicates" - How do you figure that out? That would be interesting to see.
OWS & Zeitgeist have very few in common? Seems like most of OWS wants society to be fair by removing MONEY (and corruption) from the political system. Which is a central tenet what TZM advocates. No Money.
@enticed2zeitgeist highly profitable, cost-cutting business is highly rewarded and that's very very good and belongs to the current system & the future.
Today's SINGLE problem is that people are TOO STUPID to stop fraud, too stupid to even UNDERSTAND it's fraud with 100 people screaming it at their faces.
These people (such as Zeitgeist) are insanely ignorant and blind.
@ytgv3fc7 You can call it whatever you want, the bottom line is that the mass majority of people are not going to spend their time trying to maximize there own self interests non stop and they are also not going to spend the mass majority of their time keeping an eye on who's playing by the rules and who isn't. You seem to understand that people are "stupid" so how can we hope to have a functioning fair monetary system? We can't can we? People are too "stupid" right?
@ytgv3fc7 I think you might be confused with what the word "Maximizing" means. Have you never heard or witnessed charity in your life? Ever done something for someone just "out of the goodness" of your own heart? What about Volunteers? Donations? Non Profit societies? Random acts of kindness. Are these not all of the ideals and behaviors we try to instill into our youth and young?Would it not be the goal of every parent to raise a child that is generous, giving, compassionate and kind?
@ytgv3fc7 So you think we should abandon everyone on the planet to death and discourse because they were dealt a hand in talents and behaviors that just so happen to NOT be profitable in this current life? Would you abandon your own child if they didn't get good grades in school?
Speaking of Darwin... Is it really so hard to imagine the world as your home and the population as part of your extended family?Would you condemn members of your own family to death because they are "stupid"
@dirtbagstatus The chances of a full functioning RBE like the Movement proposes are very slim because the RBE requires a very different set of morals then we have today. But if the majority of the human population could acquire those set of morals then it's very possible we could have something that is a lot better then we do today.
It's not about overriding the negative aspects of human behavior. It's simply about not "rewarding" them like we do today.
@enticed2zeitgeist actually the real function of RBE is to produce & trade in resources AS money. NOT to force all resources to be allocated by central control and nonsense dictates of a so-called "scientific" elite (this is what Central banks do, this is what Zeitgeist says it will do). RBE requires only ONE moral change: rejecting the fraud that is centralized paper currency.
@ytgv3fc7 The real function of an RBE is to produce trade in resources AS money? Are you referring to a Resource Based Economy as proposed by Karl Marx or as proposed by the Venus Project? There are differences.
@enticed2zeitgeist neither: I'm referring to the only self-sustaining system possible - hard money - which is often referred to by LUDWIG VON MISES in what's called AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS. Marx is dismissed. Fresco is dismissed.
RBE has only one true definition: you can't have economy without trade & you can't have money without resources. You must trade & you must use resources to do so. Only that is RBE: all else is fraud.
@ytgv3fc7 "you can't have economy without trade" so explain how early tribes of man handled their economic affairs? My understanding of early human development is that tribes were groups of people who banded together to battle the elements. When one member of the tribe created a new invention or scavenged resources they shared it with the tribe because they understand if everyone worked together their chances of survival improved. Is that not true?
@ytgv3fc7 "trade of items. Trade of tools. Trade of women. Trade of food." I don't mean between tribes. I mean in the tribes themselves. I work for an Aboriginal online book store. There is authentic indigenous people in the company that confirm exactly what I just said. It was common knowledge and practice amongst tribes to share with one another and strengthen the tribe together.
""if everyone worked together their chances of survival improved. Is that not true? " - Evidence?
@MFINN23 That's exactly my problem. The laissez-faire ideals call for the creation of a society of consumers, not citizens. At least in theory, in a society of citizens everyone is equal, has the same access and the same opportunities, it's up to them if they can take advantage of them. In a society of consumers, there is people that have extremely large acquisitive power, and people who have none. It's easy to imply who would impose his will in such a system.
@MrkBO8 Of course, and why wouldn't they pay off the odd ref here and there? Do you remember when Tanya Harding (figure skater) was beaten with a bat before she competed many years ago? LOL @ Society being peaceful with competitiveness at it's forefront.
@enticed2zeitgeist Playing better? They don't play better. They don't follow the rules of the game, they cheat, bribe, steal, lie and murder. We don't have capitalism, wake up. We operate massive fraud called fiat money. We have got massive, centralised state power ruled by banksters, oligopoly and monopoly. Jefferson was right.
@SvrchovaneCechy Obviously they don't follow the rules. That's what humans do, they do whatever they feel is justifiable. Haven't you noticed that all around the world the whole concept of "fair play" differs from region to region, and culture to culture. If you understand that why they hell would you expect the money game under any system (socialism, capitalism, communism etc) be played out any other way.
@SvrchovaneCechy Sure, Jefferson was right for his "time" and he understood it was only a matter of time before culture and technology changed. "The dead should not rule the living" Thomas Jefferson.
Honestly sir, I think it's you that needs to wake up. Holding on to ideals that can't physically exist in the world today.
@enticed2zeitgeist On the contrary, sir. Ideal of a free man and minimal state intervention into our lives is more actual than ever. You need to wake up and look around yourself. We live in the orchestrated collective trance, grabbed by the balls via 50 year mortgages, hammered daily by the endless lies. Haven't you noticed the staggering disproportion between what is served to us by corporate msm and daily reality? If not, they succeeded in bribing you or you fear them.
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LordLindsey12 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Ignore these meetings of criminals. Giving them attention legitimizes what they do.
truevoice08 1 month ago
Gangsta Party In Davos! LOL
ChillDudelD 1 month ago
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Ron Paul & Israel :
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Stevie68000 1 month ago
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Jew & Newt Gingrich :
1. Newt's campaign financed by Sheldon Adelson, Jew.
2. Adelson said " The uniform that I wore in the military, unfortunately, was not an Israeli uniform. It was an American uniform ".
Reference :
3. MSNBC reporting by Michael Ishikoff.
4. Google - MSNBC Ishikoff Adelson.
Stevie68000 1 month ago
Hard economic times are thinning the heard and those who cannot compete well due to whatever reasons will either not make it or suffer badly in the years to come. Women will breed with these winners but perhaps we will also breed a new generation of greedy psychopaths who will do anything to get ahead.
KeepingModern 1 month ago
they are interested in getting rid of the lower classes in any way possible
TheMasterofrevenge 1 month ago
@TheMasterofrevenge actually I'd say the primary interest is shoving everyone into the lowest slave class from every class just above it. That way there's only "super rich" and "super poor". This is the strongest wave of anti-capitalism to ever exist: robbing people to make them poor with NO use of capitalism for savings OR income.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
Free market capitalism, massive decentralization, personal freedom both socially and economically, and sound money based upon austrian economics is the only path to a prosperous future. The technocrats are the enemy.
Elpescador83 1 month ago
i keep reading what ppl r saying but there is one thing u all got wrong,what the world has today is not capitalism every economist can agree on that,the ppl who created it would be jumping up and down what has happened to there lifes work and how the ppl have been brainwashed not to understand how it works and the true meaning what capitalism is when it was created we all want to learn the truth but yet we all fall for the lies being repeated so they can steal it all
lastpoet1 1 month ago
@lastpoet1 I get where you are coming from, but you've got to understand that what we have today is the end result of Capitalism. Spin it any way you want, but the very system designed to empower the average man and reward his personal efforts to toil on the land and build wealth was easily hijacked. That's the problem with people who back the idea of returning to "true Capitalism", they lack the understanding that there is this thing called "corruption" and it's difficult to monitor.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
"I don't mean between tribes. I mean in the tribes themselves"
Same. I mean members WITHIN a single tribe DID trade and INSISTED on it. I'm not talking about between-tribes activities.
"amongst tribes to share with one another and strengthen the tribe together."
I assure you they did NOT share their PERSONAL clothing or PERSONAL eating utensils or PERSONAL hunting knives or axes.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
"Is it really so hard to imagine the world as your home and the population as part of your extended family?"
Impossible. It is not so and it can not be so.
My home has small boundaries suited to me PERSONALLY and my family has small boundaries clearly showing the rest of humanity is NOT my family and will kill/eat anything needed, including me, to get its way.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
"on the planet to death and discourse because they were dealt a hand in talents and behaviors that just so happen to NOT be profitable in this current life"
Absolutely.
That's the PURPOSE of life.
To let the strong survive and the weak be removed.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
"Would it not be the goal of every parent to raise a child that is generous, giving, compassionate and kind? "
NO.
The goal is survival first. Nothing else matters if survival is compromised.
The levels of charity being asked for requires suicide today. It's that bad.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
I know precisely what "maximizing" means.
Of course I've seen charity. I've been a part of it plenty of times.
"Ever done something for someone just "out of the goodness" of your own heart"
only if I can afford it. The instant I can't afford it no one gets a penny.
"Are these not all of the ideals and behaviors we try to instill into our youth and young?"
No. Survival first, charity later.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
"but you've got to understand that what we have today is the end result of Capitalism"
I see no such thing. Capitalism requires non-debt assets be traded between willing parties.
This is not today's situation nor the recent past. Instead there's central government control over paper money and NO allowance to own property like a HOUSE/land (gov can take it any time) and NO allowance for free trade (you must use their paper). That's strictly ANTI-capitalist.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
"the very system designed to empower the average man and reward his personal efforts to toil on the land and build wealth was easily hijacked"
NO. It was not EASILY hijacked. The creation of central banks was a key part and HUGE battles were fought over it.
The de-monetization of silver and then gold was a HUGE part of it. HUGE fights were had over it. All before YOU were born.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
Allodial title to home/land was REMOVED. This has been fought HARD in court. The loss means you can NEVER own a piece of land. THAT is killing people. That is STRICTLY anti-capitalist
Corruption is EASY to monitor AND STOP: you need to BLOCK ALL Central control and this REQUIRES capitalism.
Capitalism is de-centralized by nature and all-powerful compared to anything else.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist not really it's easy if the china can do it so could we and the one rule we should adopt is there law against white collar crime that would make wallstreet and the banks stop fucking around
lastpoet1 1 month ago
@lastpoet1 Lets pretend we could just flip a switch and revert back or even try a new form of Capitalism. How do you prevent people from being corrupt and participating unfairly?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist do what china has done for white collar crimes...death and send the bullet case to there family to pay all of wallstreet and the banks would stop fucking around cause white collar crimes is what has fucked up the system to the world and causes more damage to the ppl as a whole across the world then we clean house across the world with our leaders and make new and special laws for them
lastpoet1 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist also when those laws came into effect our leaders would do what the ppl want and rule with there hearts cause the hateful ones would be to scared to run
lastpoet1 1 month ago
I really don't even know how Lauren does it, with this dumb bitch...Liz is just stupid as shit...jeez??
Y0UT00B3R1 1 month ago
Title = Epic Fail...
r0ll0t0masi 1 month ago
Capitalism one day will be talked about in the same breath as Nazism, fascism, and communism. Just another ism that just divided people and stopped them from talking to each other in a calm non-ideological way to find real common solutions. Capitalism is perhaps the most evil ism yet though because it is in the process right now of destroying the world's global ecological systems and using up our remaining resources, which puts future human civilization and life on earth in jeopardy.
meerkat1954 1 month ago
@meerkat1954
Would be great if you knew what Capitalism was prior to demonizing it and slandering it as you have.
Capitalism and market manipulation, as occurs with all Governments, cannot coexist.
Capitalism cannot have a mandated currency based on debt.
Capitalism cannot have a self duplicating currency, as is the US Dollar, to where banks take in one Dollar and loan out $10.
This isnt Capitalism; Capitalism is based on non-coerced voluntary exchange.
helltrackrider 1 month ago
Rethink capitalism? Obviously not. The things are very well for them. They will never bite the hand that gives them food/everything.
FRalph8 1 month ago
LAURENS STEAMING HOT
gary1813 1 month ago
Lauren, is anyone talking about going back on a Gold Standard at the meeting? Has it even been mentioned?
ColdWarWarriors 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Igloos in Switzerland? Where's global warming when you need it?
nayanmalig 1 month ago
Lauren Lyster for president
turbotrana 1 month ago
These girls are damn pretty and brilliant. Thumbs up if you agree with me....
bikashad 1 month ago
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meerkat1954 1 month ago
The current form of capitalism requires some form of stratified class system. Oligarchy, Plutacracy, Aristocracy, these are all requirements of the system we live in.
Everyone cannot be "rich".... And as tehcnology advances it is inevitable that everyone cannot "work".... So what do you end up with?
oolong2 1 month ago
@oolong2 You end up with the tried and tested, FASCISM.
highandwired 1 month ago
@oolong2 capitalism never required stratified classes. This is all nature of all life: stratified classes. It's part of evolution in terms of abilities & locales in use by the species. This has nothing to do with oligarchy, plutocracy or aristocracy. 0% related.
With more technology everyone can & will work. Work ALONE and work FOR SELF-SUFFICIENCY, not for someone else.
This is how freedom is created.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago in playlist 1 2012 01 27
@ytgv3fc7
Jefferson made an important distinction between a "natual aristocracy" vs "artificial aristocracy".
Natural aristocracy is based on ones on skills and abilities whereas artificual aristocracy is based on the class and advantages you are born into.
If you level the playing field you have a better chance of a "natual aristocracy".
Due to economic inequality and lack of social support you have far less social mobility in the US compared to Sweden, Finland, Denmark, etc.
oolong2 1 month ago
The worldwide elites are indeed rethinking Davos, they are thinking about ways how they can line their pockets even more at the costs of those who work,
Quierotortilla 1 month ago
the 2 skanky RT/kremlin whores need to be raped to death...in their silly, treasonous mouths.
I've never seen stupider or more hideous cunts than the ones bought off by the kremlin.
AllianceOfJerkOffs 1 month ago
@AllianceOfJerkOffs you need your face raped until you die. RT gives 100000x more accurate news than CNN, Fox or MSNBC every single second.
You need to rinse your mouth out with buck shot.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago in playlist 1 2012 01 27
I have written 380 pages long analysis on Capitalism (not published), anyone is welcome to talk to me about it.
SpicyHam 1 month ago
Those elites will never dismiss their own system until it collapse because of their conceit and aggression. That's why all those empires come to the end such as Rome, Britain, now is America.
hhhaaa68 1 month ago 3
'fuck' + 'capitalism' = 'fuckitalism' lol
ucvessel 1 month ago 8
awake and ascend...question reality, think for yourself.
time4ascension 1 month ago
Lauren's not a second-class citizen.
Solosohi 1 month ago 2
Oh white collar criminals... They take $ from the working class American taxpayer and gets away from murder and never face the justice system. Unbelievable.
98bigbutt 1 month ago
"Rethinking Capitalism" ... to figure out how to tie up all the loose ends and create full fledged Fascism rather than the patch-work Fascism we have now.
CognitiveApprentice 1 month ago 2
Switzerland and the Cayman Islands are the 2 most favorite places for the corporate elites.
98bigbutt 1 month ago
Business and political elites my ass!!! Their fucking morons!!
1977Melville 1 month ago
Wonder if Lyster beat the crap out of Bullshit Bartiromo while she's there.
1977Melville 1 month ago
Stop calling those crooks for leaders.
frkelsa 1 month ago
sublimenal message? sex! or maybe im just sick!
billyboy5able 1 month ago
CT Gov was there... Dan Malloy; good guy... Passed an exec order to force unionize daycare workers in the state...
chris9b0134 1 month ago
have they really benefited from capitalism? or corporatism?
rajohns08 1 month ago
Central planners meeting to talk about how they can central plan even more. They haven't learned anything. It's not how you central plan that's the issue, it's the approach itself. Only the free market knows how the economy works, not men.
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 a laissez-faire markey would only take care of the people who know how to manipulate it. It's a fallacy that it will reward the hard worker and the smart guy.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 No man can manipulate the market unless they have the force to do so. The only people that have that would be the government, which is anything but laissez-faire.
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 Well, that assumption you make of no man being able to manipulate the market cannot be proved. We have never lived in a laissez-faire society so we don't know how markets would behave in such environment. I'm no expert, but a system where you have to compete and there is no rules to limit what you can do is a recipe for disaster. A society with no rules would be functiona only if there is abundance and no one has to compete against each other for surviving.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 So I guess the whole time period between the revolution and 1913 doesn't count.
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 Of course it doesn't. It was not laissez-faire altough it was a product of it perhaps. First the great depression was caused by banks that were in some sort of symbiosis with the state. And then, the govt "rescued" the economy applying keynesian economics (intervention). I recommend you watch the documentary "The Money Masters" made by a known libertarian called Bill Still.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@sniper6081 I'm sorry I hadn't read your message well. Ok, that period might have count, but what no one says about the industrial revolution is that it was achieved with extremely cheap labor. Per every rich, there were hundreds of thousands of people woriking 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. Children, women, old people, they'll were exploited to get that level of industtialization. It's been the most atroucios period for the working class (majority of people) that we have ever known.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 Of course working conditions back then were poor and miserable, everyone was. Before the industrial revolution people traveled between towns on muddy roads that carried disease. Medical care amounted to cutting limbs off. Food was almost always infested with some kind of parasite or fungus. Working your way out of poverty isn't easy or pretty, but there's no other way to do it. That's why the industrial revolution happened. You need to create the capital necessary to do so first.
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 It was hard back then. Right now, we have a system that makes it difficult. What is wealth? For me wealth is having instant acces to everything I need to be happy (food, water, shelter, relevant education, health, recreation). Those things are not going to be achieved by political or economic policies. If we were smart enough to use our technical knowledge (engeneering, medice, agronomy, transportation, construction) the world would be out of poverty in a matter of years.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 I suppose wealth is different things to different people, and you're right. People these days have the know how to get themselves out of poverty. The problem is, other people won't let them. The government won't let them. And the worst part is, the government thinks that by doing what they do it's helping them. Regulations only harm the little guy. It's easy for a giant corporation to follow all those laws, because they have the resources. The little guy doesn't.
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 The government is just a product of the monetary system. The government responds to the interests of the most powerful now, but If the most powerful didn't want a government it wouldn't exist. In a laissez-faire market, if the most powerful wanted a government, they would create it and no one could stop them, is a vicious circle. Nobody's free in a world where real or artificial scarcity exists, they'll always have to submiss to someone elses will (govt, corp, boss, etc)
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 Government is the product of the people. We made it and continue to shape it today. Those who caused these problems will be dealt with in the future, but if you want to know whose fault it is, you need only look in a mirror. Despite the fact that our politicians short comings are painfully obvious the people still continue to choose them over more principled individuals. Those people then turn around and create those interest you've been talking about, like the federal reserve.
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 The concept of government is a product of the people, that is not argueable, we have the mentality that we need an "alfa male" to tell us what to do. But the shape that goverments have is given by the elite. In USA the government is the corporations because they are the elite, in China the govt is the communist party because they're the elite, in switzerland the govt is practicly everyone (direct democracy). Elites are the groups that have the control of scarce resources.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 The "elites" are nothing more than the class of citizen that are the smartest or most successful. Hating on them because they're elite is technically prejudice. Anyway, it doesn't matter who "controls" what if they don't have the force to back it up. Government is the only institution with that kind of force. Government can collude with others to help them gain actual control over things, but it's not just corporations, special interest groups, the people, they're all guilty.
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 Nobody hates the elites for being smart and succesful. They're hated for creating systems that work only in favor ot themselves and impose them to those who aren't as smart, strong and succesful. I agree, it's not good to have the power concentrated in the govt, but is less chaotic than letting every individual to use force as they see it fit by having their own private armies, the force wouldn't be used by govt but it'd be used by the particulars instead, so dangerous.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 In case you didn't know, there are hundreds of private armies in this country already. In fact, the second largest armed force in this country is the South East Michigan militia, with the largest being the military. Those guys have tanks, helicopters, howitzers, you name it, and they're not the only ones. Missouri has one too, Texas has like, fifteen, and Oklahoma has five. That's not even all the militias and yet things seem fine so far.
sniper6081 1 month ago
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giancarlo3000 1 month ago
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@sniper6081 Yes, but still, the American Govt has the monopoly on the use of force. The govt keeps the order. If you suddenly disperse the use of force into those militias you are naming, they would be abbusive because there would be no one to control them and everything would be a complete chaos. Right now they're just using the constutuional right to me armed. They have the right to have those arms but they don't have the right to use them. (you donot need a tank for self defense)
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 Just because the militias don't use the force they have doesn't mean the government has a monopoly on force. They just know how to control themselves. If anyone is causing disorder right now it's the government, with their war on drugs, and hindrance of trade, and their endless wars of aggression. Also what sense does, "They have the right to those arms, but not to use them," make? Wouldn't that make them useless. Why would the second amendment even exist?
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 The objective of being allowed to have those weapons is self defense right? So, do you actually think that a militian has the right to use a helicopter or a tank to defend himself against a thief? I really don't think so. Look, I do agree that the govt is starting a chaos that will not be able to control, but I don't think that force should be used by particulars as they see it fit right now. We have too much misallocation of resources, unequity and non educated people.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 No, I think they'll need those tanks and helicopters to defend themselves from the government. That is the ultimate intent of the second amendment after all. You'd be pretty naive to think otherwise. Misallocation of resources; you can thank the Federal reserve's price fixing for that. Unequity; that goes to federal agencies favoring some corporations over with their regulations and selective enforcement. Non educated people; that goes the public education system.
sniper6081 1 month ago
@sniper6081 Well, I have to admit those were pretty good and solid arguements, But still, the sudden abolition of govt would be even worse than what we have know. We have to make people less dependand on the current system in order to do so. Don't fight the government, don't be foolish... As Buckminster Fuller said "You do not fight an existing system, you build a new system that makes the other one obsolete".
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 Now you're speaking my language.
sniper6081 1 month ago
LIZ&LAUREN = 2 of the MATTHEW 25.31*41 crew.
variezn34gm 1 month ago
They've already rethought democracy by installing their own leaders in a few countries. Might as well rethink everything for us...
aeternusero 1 month ago
1:20 look at that clown Enda kenny talking a load of shit what he's good at at the EU!
XxshughesxX 1 month ago
Capitalism isn't 'Broken'... THEY deliberately messed it up with de-regulation!! Problem reaction solution & what's the betting they have their ready-made 'solution' up their sleeve too (just waiting for things to get bad enough for people to 'demand' it)
I've got a simple solution for them & it echoes the catch phrase that got us all into this 'too-big-to-fail' mess...it goes RE-REGULATION, RE-REGULATION, RE-REGULATION of *all* corporations especially the Multi-Nationals! Simples
ejbh3160 1 month ago
@ejbh3160 I'm pretty sure a true "free market" based upon Capitalism is completely "un-regulated". At least that's what Ron Paul keeps saying.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist okay I heard you the first time... but just because RP say it don't make it gospel. Maybe our immediate financial problems were more about de-regulation of the banking system (that's what I was thinking of) but it follows for most corporations (BP for example) they don't give a damn about you your kids or anyone else... just MONEY & the next 'Bonus'. If they have to throw toxic fiat money at you or toxic paint or toxic food it makes no difference to them
ejbh3160 1 month ago
@ejbh3160 That kind of behaviour has to be expected in any monetary based world right? Just imagine how dynamic the human population can be. Think about how great Michael Jordan was at basketball. Think of that raw natural talent and passion for the game and good he was. Now imagine someone else just as talented but with business, economics, and profiteering.
Those specific individuals who are the most greedy and self rewarding bitches are the ones we put atop the social pyramid.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist no they put themselves there... we were sleeping while they built the pyramid... and besides if you look at history when it all gets out of control it usually doesn't end well for them powers that be.
ejbh3160 1 month ago
@ejbh3160 Yea, sleeping tends to happen. That's what I keep saying to you. The average person doesn't want to spend the majority of their day keeping track of what everyone else is doing. If we take that into account does it really make sense to have Capitalism?
Perhaps reading some books on Psychology and human behaviour might help you understand why people do the things that they do.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist
The 'average person' (??) seems to spend plenty of time keeping track of what everyone else is doing these days. Ever heard of twitter & facebook or even 'YouTube? Information has become integral to people's lives. We are more & more 'connected' each day. And as for human behaviour.. perhaps you should google for the difference between enlightened self-interest (alturism) & unenlightened self interest (greed). Might 'help' you understand too.
ejbh3160 1 month ago
@ejbh3160 Lol. Now if only those global elitist bankers would tweet their crimes, open up a Youtube channel and add me to their Facebook, then maybe you might be on topic.
I understand the difference greed and altruism. Capitalism is greed as it presupposes that everyone is self maximizing and at the heart of it's Utopian dream is ridiculous never ending "fair" competition. The legal system required to effectively monitor "global elites" probably can't even exist.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist but still has rules and those rules broken. fraud is not allow in a free market.
spark300c 1 month ago
@spark300c Yes, but you have to account for the fact that the human condition will be encouraged to self maximize. Which means if fraud and corruption are a package deal in any monetary based system. That's why true "free markets" never lasted. It just assumed everyone would play the game properly. That's why so many people see true free markets as a utopian fantasy. You can't even get people to play pro-sports just and fairly why would you expect it to be different with money?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist is that why we have governments to get us as close to free market as possible.
spark300c 1 month ago
@spark300c Yes, but you are completely avoiding the realization that humans will will lie, cheat and steal. Do you not understand that corruption is inherent in any economic system?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@spark300c well said... the 'illusion' of a free market is just that... an illusion!
ejbh3160 1 month ago
@ejbh3160 sorry it was not that easy. it was fact most of them could get away with fraud which was illegal. plus the fed set rates to low and government pushed for people who could afford homes. the problem how can stupid over seers notice that fraud going on. not every regulation is beneficial and not every deregulation is beneficial.
spark300c 1 month ago
@spark300c I didn't say it was easy... just that de-regulation was what got the ball rolling & re-regulation is how we could stop all the ball rolling.
ejbh3160 1 month ago
@ejbh3160 maybe but in usa the fox is watching the hen house. plus it happen many time before. it when banker form a cartel and set rates to low. they set market to crash. so they preform pump and dump
spark300c 1 month ago
there's no problem with capitalism, there's a problem with fiat money
moleccccular 1 month ago 2
@moleccccular I call BS. When you pit people against each other in competition you should expect corruption. Kind of obvious isn't it?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
Good report in HD. Shld have taken Prof Chambers over there to give snarky comments on the secretive white people
Zhukovsghost 1 month ago
I think they should rethink the word "Elites" How about calling them the most efficient blood sucking slime bags instead?
pdxeddie1111 1 month ago
@pdxeddie1111 "Top Capitalists" it a great name.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@pdxeddie1111 Those types of people are also called "globalists".
ocf1fan1 1 month ago
CBC actually covered this! I was pretty surprised. The Occupy movement was mentioned quite a bit in the story. In my eyes, the Occupy movement has successfully brought these questions to some sources of media for popular exposure. Great job Occupy!
enlightenedone676 1 month ago
@enlightenedone676 So true. Occupy is/was a huge success so far.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
Western Capitalism = White Supremacy
jsb06g 1 month ago
@jsb06g Nope, it has to do with a very small group of privileged people who have all the fucking money and want to keep it for themselves. The majority of white people in this world are poor. Let go of your racism. The globalist want us to be at each others throats so they can sit back and laugh at us.
kdavisification 1 month ago
Davos participants have no clue what the real capitalism looks like. Many people are convinced these elitists should be all arrested for high treason and crimes against humanity, immediately hanged and their assets confiscated.
SvrchovaneCechy 1 month ago 2
@SvrchovaneCechy Yea, most people believe that, but I disagree. I don't see why we should blame people for playing the game better than us. Capitalism at it's heart is about competition. You don't punish a basketball team for recruiting the best players and building their team as strong as they can with every advantage that is available to them. It's not the people that are to blame, it's the system that encourages this kind of behavior to be so prevalent. Just my two cents.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist True, it the ref's fault (the government).
MFINN23 1 month ago
@MFINN23 Nah man. It's the "games" fault. It's the way the game is designed. Would you honestly expect a system of "never ending competition" to be played fairly? I can't even think of a single parent I know that would expect their children to play fairly if they had to compete for everything they need/want and yet we expect the whole planet to play this game with out serious incidents? What a fantastical utopian dream.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist Capitalism works fine without government entanglement.
MFINN23 1 month ago
@MFINN23 No it doesn't. Government steps in because Capitalism is just an economic system. It still requires a system of law to govern what is fair and what isn't, which is where authority and regulation steps in. When people "break" the rules. Which is where corruption comes in as well. Kind of obvious isn't it?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist If the federal reserve wasn't pumping up companies and creating bubbles then capitalism would run smoothly. Yes anti-trust laws and stuff like that are important but we could do with a lot less government entanglement in business.
MFINN23 1 month ago
@MFINN23 Yea of course. That's like saying "If only everyone shared and wasn't corrupt" we could have an ever lasting harmony. It doesn't take into account human behavior and tendencies. How can you not see that?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist I'm talking about not manipulating and subsidizing the market. There's nothing wrong with prosecuting unfair business practices.
MFINN23 1 month ago
@MFINN23 Of course there isn't anything wrong with that. What I'm trying to tell you is that the chances of that happening every time in a favourable manner are EXTREMELY fucking low. That's why the true free market didn't last forever which is what I keep re-iterating to you. Human behaviour (natural law) triumphs over any man made creation, including Capitalism.
If you could just create laws and solve problems why do people still speed in their cars? Litter? Harm one another?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist Thats like saying we shouldn't have free will because some people kill eachother. There's nothing wrong with a capitalistic system.
MFINN23 1 month ago
@MFINN23 No it's not "like saying we shouldn't have free will", it's actually saying "we don't have free will" for that would entail that people can make choices free of influence. You can only make choices that you have been influenced by. How can someone make a choice if they aren't aware that choice exists? You are living in a dinosauric predisposition. The world has grown up. We know a lot about the Universe and human behaviour, things Jefferson didn't have at his disposal.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@MFINN23 Just think about what Capitalism really is. It's competition. Everyone competing against everyone else for their lively hood. I can't think of a single sane person I know that would even consider raising their children that way. Imagine, children competing for their parents love and support and food at the table. What a barbaric way of imaging the world.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist It's the best choice for a consumer society because the consumer always benefits in a free market. It seems barbaric if you look at it with a narrow scope. But the only way to progress is capitalism. There would be no innovation without it. Without capitalism everyone would just be working to survive and not be concerned about anything else. I mean I guess if you have a more simplistic outlook at what you want out of life then you can do without it.
MFINN23 1 month ago
@MFINN23 Capitalism is a system for seperating people, but humanity is a species of highly interdependent players.
You cannot say that in the past, when true resource scarcity existed and Capitalism was useful, that in a world where we can realize resource abundance (which we fully can)... that Capitalism is still even relevant. It's not, and in fact does far more damage than we should be tolerant of.
That's incredibly telling for you to say that a person disagreeing with you is "simplistic".
CognitiveApprentice 1 month ago
@CognitiveApprentice I didn't call anyone simplistic, maybe you should read it again.
MFINN23 1 month ago
@MFINN23 "It's the best choice for a consumer society", you aren't supposing that "a consumer society" is somehow the way society ought to be are you? Even if it were, I'm sure there are much better systems at delivering infinite amounts of desires to a population than Capitalism.
"It seems barbaric if you look at it with a narrow scope." So do you raise or plan to raise your children in a way that makes them compete for support from you? Sounds awfully immoral to me.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@MFINN23 "There would be no innovation without it." That's interesting. From my research most of the worlds greatest achievements actually came from the desire to do good, not to make money. Which might explain why the people who push Society forward aren't in it for the money. Leading scientists are lucky to make $60k a year. Social leaders like Ghandi, and King also weren't in it for the money. So who are you referring to here?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@MFINN23 "Without capitalism everyone would just be working to survive and not be concerned about anything else." I suppose if you are assuming that every single person has an infinite amount of physical desires and wants to consume endlessly until their life is over you might be correct. I'm also interested to hear what you base that assumption on. I happen to know plenty of people and see evidence everywhere day that this isn't the case.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
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@MFINN23 "I mean I guess if you have a more simplistic outlook at what you want out of life then you can do without it." Yes, and the majority of the world does have a simplistic outlook. Like I mentioned before, the only people who are after infinite amounts of control and possession and influence are the people at the top of the Pyramid. Obvious isn't it?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@MFINN23 One also has to assume that Capitalism can even exist in reality. Which it appears it cannot as I have provided countless examples of how human behaviour and natural law overrides Capitalistic ideals.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist No one takes the Zietgeist movement seriously. Your dream is just that and nothing more.Human behavior would easily override your supposed supercomputer and it's nonexistant algorythm.
dirtbagstatus 1 month ago
@dirtbagstatus 14 Million Views and counting on the last Film and largely the film is "liked" (75,812 likes, 4,057 dislikes). You don't think movements such as Occupy is largely composed of people now searching for a world with a completely different design?
So when you say "No one takes the Zietgeist movement seriously" what sources are you going by?
The chances of a full out RBE like TZM advocates is probably impossible. As it's something the species would have to grow into.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
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enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist most people don't have time to go to the zeitgeist movie to mark "dislike". Most people clicking "like" to Moving Forward do so once per day every day since the movie came out - tons of duplicates.
OWS & Zeitgeist have very few in common. Zeitgeist tried to infiltrate & has been rejected many times.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago in playlist 1 2012 01 27
@ytgv3fc7 "tons of duplicates" Wrong. The system does not allow duplicates.
bamboo4tameshigiri 1 month ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri the Youtube system allows duplicate Likes and Views every single day. Return the next day, view the movie and it will add a view. This happens every day across all of Youtube.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@ytgv3fc7 You are incorrect. Duplicate views are not duplicate votes.
bamboo4tameshigiri 1 month ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri I am correct. Duplicate views are reported as unique views. Duplicate 'like' votes are also recorded. Have been for over a year, no question. I tested it myself every day.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@ytgv3fc7 You are a liar. You only get to click the like button ONCE.
bamboo4tameshigiri 1 month ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri I'm not a liar. I clicked like or dislike every day on some videos and watched the counter move immediately and stay there. If youtube finally removes this then that's a new change. for the last 2 years SOLID that's worked.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
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@ytgv3fc7 "most people don't have time to go to the zeitgeist movie to mark "dislike". Most people clicking "like" to Moving Forward do so once per day every day since the movie came out - tons of duplicates" - How do you figure that out? That would be interesting to see.
OWS & Zeitgeist have very few in common? Seems like most of OWS wants society to be fair by removing MONEY (and corruption) from the political system. Which is a central tenet what TZM advocates. No Money.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@dirtbagstatus
Ask any teacher, the best way to teach is to reward positive behavior versus punishing negative behavior. Even the dog Whisperer knows that.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist highly profitable, cost-cutting business is highly rewarded and that's very very good and belongs to the current system & the future.
Today's SINGLE problem is that people are TOO STUPID to stop fraud, too stupid to even UNDERSTAND it's fraud with 100 people screaming it at their faces.
These people (such as Zeitgeist) are insanely ignorant and blind.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago in playlist 1 2012 01 27
@ytgv3fc7 You can call it whatever you want, the bottom line is that the mass majority of people are not going to spend their time trying to maximize there own self interests non stop and they are also not going to spend the mass majority of their time keeping an eye on who's playing by the rules and who isn't. You seem to understand that people are "stupid" so how can we hope to have a functioning fair monetary system? We can't can we? People are too "stupid" right?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist "the mass majority of people are not going to spend their time trying to maximize there own self interests non stop"
Yes they are.
Every second of every day every person does this. It's not a choice.
It's survival instinct. At all times every person will, and MUST do only this.
Every word, every meal, every meeting or avoidance of one, every hour of work, every item/dollar saved is ONLY for this self-interest.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@ytgv3fc7 I think you might be confused with what the word "Maximizing" means. Have you never heard or witnessed charity in your life? Ever done something for someone just "out of the goodness" of your own heart? What about Volunteers? Donations? Non Profit societies? Random acts of kindness. Are these not all of the ideals and behaviors we try to instill into our youth and young?Would it not be the goal of every parent to raise a child that is generous, giving, compassionate and kind?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist "majority of their time keeping an eye on who's playing by the rules and who isn't"
YES THEY ARE.
Everyone who fails to do so is killed.
That leaves everyone else MANDATORY keeping an eyee out.
"You seem to understand that people are "stupid" so how can we"
DARWIN. Stupid people are self-removing from society
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@ytgv3fc7 So you think we should abandon everyone on the planet to death and discourse because they were dealt a hand in talents and behaviors that just so happen to NOT be profitable in this current life? Would you abandon your own child if they didn't get good grades in school?
Speaking of Darwin... Is it really so hard to imagine the world as your home and the population as part of your extended family?Would you condemn members of your own family to death because they are "stupid"
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@dirtbagstatus The chances of a full functioning RBE like the Movement proposes are very slim because the RBE requires a very different set of morals then we have today. But if the majority of the human population could acquire those set of morals then it's very possible we could have something that is a lot better then we do today.
It's not about overriding the negative aspects of human behavior. It's simply about not "rewarding" them like we do today.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist actually the real function of RBE is to produce & trade in resources AS money. NOT to force all resources to be allocated by central control and nonsense dictates of a so-called "scientific" elite (this is what Central banks do, this is what Zeitgeist says it will do). RBE requires only ONE moral change: rejecting the fraud that is centralized paper currency.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago in playlist 1 2012 01 27
@ytgv3fc7 The real function of an RBE is to produce trade in resources AS money? Are you referring to a Resource Based Economy as proposed by Karl Marx or as proposed by the Venus Project? There are differences.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist neither: I'm referring to the only self-sustaining system possible - hard money - which is often referred to by LUDWIG VON MISES in what's called AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS. Marx is dismissed. Fresco is dismissed.
RBE has only one true definition: you can't have economy without trade & you can't have money without resources. You must trade & you must use resources to do so. Only that is RBE: all else is fraud.
Fresco/Venus Project is a fraud.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@ytgv3fc7 "you can't have economy without trade" so explain how early tribes of man handled their economic affairs? My understanding of early human development is that tribes were groups of people who banded together to battle the elements. When one member of the tribe created a new invention or scavenged resources they shared it with the tribe because they understand if everyone worked together their chances of survival improved. Is that not true?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist "so explain how early tribes of man handled their economic affairs?"
trade of items. Trade of tools. Trade of women. Trade of food.
"When one member of the tribe created a new invention or scavenged resources they shared it with the tribe"
no.
Trade, yes. Share: never. Once you shared something you would lose all your survival ability & you would not survive to mate.
"if everyone worked together their chances of survival improved. Is that not true? "
no.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@ytgv3fc7 "trade of items. Trade of tools. Trade of women. Trade of food." I don't mean between tribes. I mean in the tribes themselves. I work for an Aboriginal online book store. There is authentic indigenous people in the company that confirm exactly what I just said. It was common knowledge and practice amongst tribes to share with one another and strengthen the tribe together.
""if everyone worked together their chances of survival improved. Is that not true? " - Evidence?
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@MFINN23 That's exactly my problem. The laissez-faire ideals call for the creation of a society of consumers, not citizens. At least in theory, in a society of citizens everyone is equal, has the same access and the same opportunities, it's up to them if they can take advantage of them. In a society of consumers, there is people that have extremely large acquisitive power, and people who have none. It's easy to imply who would impose his will in such a system.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
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@enticed2zeitgeist I'm talking about not manipulating and subsidizing the market. There's nothing wrong with prosecuting unfair business practices.
MFINN23 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist Sports is a good analogy, when it comes down to the finals the teams do whatever it takes to win.
MrkBO8 1 month ago
@MrkBO8 Of course, and why wouldn't they pay off the odd ref here and there? Do you remember when Tanya Harding (figure skater) was beaten with a bat before she competed many years ago? LOL @ Society being peaceful with competitiveness at it's forefront.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist Playing better? They don't play better. They don't follow the rules of the game, they cheat, bribe, steal, lie and murder. We don't have capitalism, wake up. We operate massive fraud called fiat money. We have got massive, centralised state power ruled by banksters, oligopoly and monopoly. Jefferson was right.
SvrchovaneCechy 1 month ago 2
@SvrchovaneCechy Obviously they don't follow the rules. That's what humans do, they do whatever they feel is justifiable. Haven't you noticed that all around the world the whole concept of "fair play" differs from region to region, and culture to culture. If you understand that why they hell would you expect the money game under any system (socialism, capitalism, communism etc) be played out any other way.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
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@enticed2zeitgeist "all around the world the whole concept of "fair play" differs from region to region, and culture to culture"
It doesn't ever.
It's always one single rule: consenting agreement to equal trade, and to co-operation.
In all history this has never changed.
ytgv3fc7 1 month ago
@SvrchovaneCechy Sure, Jefferson was right for his "time" and he understood it was only a matter of time before culture and technology changed. "The dead should not rule the living" Thomas Jefferson.
Honestly sir, I think it's you that needs to wake up. Holding on to ideals that can't physically exist in the world today.
enticed2zeitgeist 1 month ago
@enticed2zeitgeist On the contrary, sir. Ideal of a free man and minimal state intervention into our lives is more actual than ever. You need to wake up and look around yourself. We live in the orchestrated collective trance, grabbed by the balls via 50 year mortgages, hammered daily by the endless lies. Haven't you noticed the staggering disproportion between what is served to us by corporate msm and daily reality? If not, they succeeded in bribing you or you fear them.
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