Are the mind and body distinct? - Shelly Kagan - Death - Lecture 6

[AmericanCritiquer]

I'm glad I can watch lectures like this without paying five thousand for the course.

[robertus911]

Well its kind of strange that your talk or teaching teenagers about immortality at that age. Most people don't start to worry about death till there 40s or after.I have pondered about whether we are mere chemical machines, How ever chemical reactions can't really explain consciousness. One thing about consiousness it never get old it all seem to be the same all through life and you need it before you can memorize anything. personally when Im in a cemetary I have a feeling some is different.

[robertus911]

@robertus911 My Theory to prove that consciousness is seperate from the body is through dreams. You know that all the bibical prophets through the begininng of time have allways communicated with God and other angels in life through dreams. The key is praying to God before you go to sleep and ask him to communicate to you in your dreams. I do believe in God 100 percent because I don't believe this life on earth is a cosmic acciedent. My dream tend to get so real I ponder if i going to wake up.

[GodTheHypothesis]

@robertus911

This is no different than saying you can know God through a religious experience. The problem is, people have these experiences and then relate them to the belief system they already have- using them to justify mutually contradictory claims. This shows it's not a reliable method- the human brain is not built to detect truth, it's build to formulate beliefs.

[robertus911]

@GodTheHypothesis There is a God and I can prove it. The law of information is my proof.The bible itself has information That is more valuable than gold in short narratives and poem and prophesies, The bible also broke the link between man and animals in the sence now that our infomation and knowlege and understanding of things is a composite of millions of minds. Its not an animal learning the same things every generation. Information is as much of a physical entity in universe as light ,gravit

[robertus911]

@robertus911The proof that God does exist is The law of informtion is an entitiy in the universe put in the universe by a deity (My father God). That informtion to make you and me was in the universe long be for you where a gleam in your fathers eye.The best of me and you infomation probly ran down our mothers leg but that a diffrent information.So i believe a little in confusisom to memorize as much Good information as you can a pray to God for understanding. Why light can't travel faster than.

[GodTheHypothesis]

@robertus911

I have no idea what you're talking about. How does information show that there's a God. This could in no way be called a "proof"- maybe an argument.

[robertus911]

@GodTheHypothesis Your asking a very complicated question there. Now our conscieness mind is like this one scientest put it. Its like a pond(brain) in a rain storm only noticing the rain drops that make the biggest splash to us. This splashes (information)are in a form of wave and then some times in form of a partical. So scientest now have physical informtation down to quantum machanics. Now some scientest say that this information in physical quantum machanics is the driving force of all matt

[GodTheHypothesis]

@robertus911

It sounds like you're talking about some kind of quantum consciousness theory- something like what Roger Penrose proposed? You should know that most scientists would disagree with such a theory- and don't think you need explain consciousness at the quantum level.

[robertus911]

@GodTheHypothesis Im right now praying to God to give me some understanding of why are conscienous when we sleep is not working. I know that sleep is a function for nerve repair at night but why is our conscienous turned off to a certain degree. Dreams tend to be some times a conscieous function.Sleep could actualy be looked at as a function of death.So one might assume that our conscienous could actually separte the body. But for our conscienous time actually stops litually thats facinating huh

[GodTheHypothesis]

@robertus911

Why could one assume that consciousness could be separate from the body? I don't see any good justification for that other than wishful thinking.

[robertus911]

@GodTheHypothesis People act with certainty that light and electrons have dualism properties. People act with certainty that there 11 deminsoin in the universe. 95% of the people you ask say they believe in God (I believe sencerely maybe with faith some with certainty) But this new field of study (the evolution of information ) tend to upset the non believers. If light and electrons have this dualism properties and why couldn't mind and body have dualism properties. Life death and taxes is certa

[GodTheHypothesis]

@robertus911

I'm really struggling to see what you're talking about here. Who acts with certainty that there are 11 dimensions? And how exactly do you "act with certainty" about such an abstract thing? As for dualism...are you talking about wave-particle duality? That's got nothing to do with dualism of the mind and body- they're completely unrelated things. You can't just associate them because they have similar sounding names. That's called an argument by analogy.

[robertus911]

@GodTheHypothesis Well wave-partical duality shows us that the mind is seperate from the body. In e=mc2 show that a person body in motion moving toward the speed of light all the physical atoms slow down because the are aproaching absolute zero. Yet our conscienousness still see time moving at the same speed. As you aproach the speed of light your not going to get heat from the photons because you both going at the same speed. In other word you really have to grasp einstien equation.

[GodTheHypothesis]

@robertus911

Whoaaaaaa whoa. Wave-particle duality shows that the mind is separate from the body...? That's just wrong. It doesn't show that in any way. I have no problem with grasping special relativity as I studied physics for the first year of my maths degree. Nothing you've described has anything to do with wave-particle duality. It's just special relativity. And you've just made these crazy claims- how do you know "our consciousness still sees time moving at the same speed"???

[robertus911]

@GodTheHypothesis What Einstien is really saying about relativity is that if You travel the speed of light time stop in thIs physical world (demension )because what you have done is reached the speed photons are not having any effect you. Its like when you put icecream in the freeze you slow down its time. The motion of the universe buffer the true impact of light. What einstien is saying if you where still and the universe was moving and you got hit with light photons you would decentagrate.

[robertus911]

@GodTheHypothesis The only thing you will really know for certian in life is death and taxes. Now if a man says he love you and see you in need and say here money and some food and shelter. You might say im not really certain he loves me but he showing some sacrafice. But if a man says he love you and dies in your place I think you will know for certian that he love you. There is probly no more certainty than that. So who are you going to believe egotistical scientest .Or the man who died for us

[chuckwagon1645]

@robertus911 The scientific method is responsible for modern technology like that keyboard you used to type that comment. Those "egotistical scientists" are the ones responsible for the vaccinations you take as a child so you don't die of influenza. Might want to rethink that.

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