Richard Gage, AIA - at the office of NIST

[anastasia2657]

What contempt they must have for all of us us to dare to tell us to believe that the building fell down in 6 seconds because of office fires.

[winston2015]

how the fuck does this guy keep a straight face? Just the fact that NIST did not test for explosives when it was clearly the procedural mandate based on the levels of destruction. But they didnt do that. When asked why they said; 'It would be a waste of time to look for something that ins't there.' How do you know it isnt there if you dont test for it. next..

Of course Sunder & Gross are not gonna meet a bunch of silly 'conspiracy theorists' time would be better spent covering up for mass murder

[freeseattle]

NIST admitted free-fall acceleration of WTC 7 in their "final" report, yet they still maintain that laws of physics do not apply by virtue of their continued contradiction to their own evidence! These huge lies go uncontested by people who R so ignorant as to believe everything their government tells them - sheep going to slaughter, which is what they are! Wake up America! Call for a new, impartial investigation with power of subpoena into ALL events of 9/11 if you can handle the truth.

[freeseattle]

Time is up folks! Everyone knows 9/11 was an inside job. The hold-outs are those sheep who get their information from mainstream media news which are all owned & sponsored by war-for-profit corporations (banks, arms manufacturers, etc.). The problem is that these sheep are in complete denial concerning the the steps these corps will take in order to perpetuate the war business. They don't care who they kill, they own our politicians, they control elections. Americans are waking up. Long overdue!

[EGRJ]

So when the thermite paper is published in a "peer-reviewed journal", that's cause for celebration, but when that same journal turns out to be a fraud, suddenly peer-review is worthless.

Interesting standard, Truthers.

[joeyyb]

NIST = bought and paid for

[sssssjjjj1]

anyone that can't see that they were controlled demo is not worth talking to. They are paid to shill for the gov, that or they are not very bright and think they are doing the right thing.NO plane at pentagon, watch "the pentagon bull shit" on youtube, watch also free on youtube, "khazar conspiracy"and "invisible empire" take 2 mins. and find out what the "kosher tax" you pay on your food everyday is. They said they will boycott the food product with help of the msm if food co.s' don't do it.

[terrymanning1]

Gage tells lies because he doesn't like Bush or the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq. Lying about 9/11 and pushing for another investigation is his way of trying to get Bush into court. His ultimate goal is to see Bush tried for war crimes.

9/11 truth is an intellectually and morally bankrupt movement being peddled by liars.

[Thetan1974]

@terrymanning1

Gage tells the truth because he's a conservative who discovered that those he voted for where not to be trusted. Then he - as all truth seekers - realised, that it doesn't matter who's in office.

9/11 Truth is NOTHING about Bush bashing anymore. It's about waking people up to the grim truth and the bigger picture.

[terrymanning1]

@Thetan1974 Gage is a liar end of.

Go ask him why he compares footage of the perimeter collapse of 7 to real demo footage but never compares the audio?

Go figure little man.

[Thetan1974]

@terrymanning1

Try and go ask him yourself. If he don't bother answering deluted hypocritic "qestions", you can always have the latest on audio in Chandler's latest video.

You can also ask Craig Bartmer about "audio."

[terrymanning1]

@Thetan1974 I don't need to ask Gage or any of the other troof liars why they deceive their low IQ, delusional paranoid followers by not comparing the audio of 7's collapse with that of a real demo. The answer is obvious to anyone with common sense. NO detonations = No explosives.

[Thetan1974]

@terrymanning1

I think you need to ask yourself why you want to stay anonymous on the web in stead of going directly to the source. The only one you convince about your ad hom BS is yourself.

[kkkaldav]

@terrymanning1 don't listening to Manning - he's a convicted pederast with nothing to say but insults. He's upset that the Truth movement has found evidence and audio of explosions and has shown the official account to be pseudoscience (when I pointed that out to him I think he started to cry) and blabbered some old shite about blocking me.

[terrymanning1]

@kkkaldav Insults? I'm not the one calling you names. (What's a convicted pederast? lol) And you called me a c*** & f*** off. Yeah real nice. That's why you're blocked.

Gage has nothing and he knows it. He doesn't compare audio from 7 collapsing with real demo footage because he doesn't want anyone to twig that no sound of detonations means no explosives.

[ytmikelol]

@terrymanning1 You can here a detonation just before the east penthouse collapses. If this was the sound of a collapse, the penthouse would fall either before the sound or with the sound, not two seconds after.

/watch?v=XrnmbUDeHus

[Lietuvispartizan]

NIST report has no peer review.

[grandmastershek]

@Lietuvispartizan

sure it wasn't.

nist[dot]gov/director/planning­/impact_assessment[dot]cfm

[zapproowsdower]

wow, Sunder really seems like a wholly unpleasant person. the kind of person you can't wait to get away from.

[SlackerSlayer]

I would have added to Richard Gages commont at nist, "and for you to fulfill your oath of office and do your duty as the Constitution and your position demands you to act, for truth and justice no matter who it may lead to as those responsible for these crimes."

[pcuimac]

They handle you like a bunch of creationists. That´s unfair. Their report is less scientific then ae911s.

Why don´t they show their simulations to he public for longer then some seconds? Because the sim totally breaks down and shows unsymmetric collapse, not the CD way you see in the videos. WTC7 collapsed like a CD. No way denying that.

My hypothesis: WTC7 was the C&C for bringing down WTC1&2. To destroy the evidence they destroyed WTC7 also.

[sagtimmerdiewahrheit]

@pcuimac

Do you realize that you hypothesis makes no sense? Why should they use WTC7 for that? And blowing up a whole building would be the only way to cover it up? Leaving even more "evidence"? For what would they even need WTC 7? Just asking Questions!

[JacobDeleuran]

@Thetan1974!

Ja tak, Jeg er medlem c",)

[chunkyboy100]

its better to die on your feet than live on your knees. people like richard gage are doing a great job, i would rather be like him than a maggot like, lets say grey wolf?

[TheCrimsonSkull]

@chunkyboy100

Yes graywolf is a maggot. He's been a maggot all his lying life.

[greywolf424]

Poor Richie gage, web site and twoof movement both failing, wife left him, going broke, most likely by the end of 2010 he will be living in one of those cardboard boxes he uses for his laughable "demonstrations"

[greywolf424]

Hey Gage, TAKE YOUR BULLSHIT "EVIDENCE" TO COURT.... SAFE TO SAY YOU NEVER WILL SINCE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY.

[greywolf424]

Poor wittle Gage is going broke

[JacobDeleuran]

N.ot I.nterested in S.earching T.ruth...

Thanx AE911,

Jacob Deleuran

Denmark

Europe

[rockman22]

Why dont you sign the petition Jacob???

[Thetan1974]

And from Jeppe Severin, CPH, Denmark, too!

Jacob, are you aware of i11time . dk ?

[repeated911]

Best of look for 2010 AE911 Take truth to the lie.

[CastingStonez]

Does anyone see the "pentagon" pin on his lapel??? FREEMASON symbology...

A pentagon is the base for a pentagram!

a pentagram is a symbol for the "5 points of fellowship"

He is a FREEMASON and is NOT going to meet with you or listen to your TRUTHS...

AE911truth is one of my favorites...

The time for talking is over... they will NEVER talk to you! They do the talking with no rebuttles. Just how a slave owner talks to a slave...

[physivic]

@CastingStonez

...very astute, mr Stonez, but I would suggest not casting them in that direction. They have explosives.

[CastingStonez]

@physivic

Understood... my compass points north... where explosives are ineffective...

[physivic]

@CastingStonez

Funny... guy is confronted with the idea that a few thousand Americans were killed by operatives from some other branch of his government, and his response is, "well, if it isn't peer reviewed..." Sort of gives it away...

[EGRJ]

@physivic So you think a guy talking to Gage wouldn't already be aware of conspiracy theories? You expect him to launch into an argument right then and there?

[micimacko33]

it is ridiculous to believe the building collapsed because of officefires. just look at the video. freefall.

[ZapruderJr]

I hate all this garbage I hear about 'peer review'...

1. Evidence is evidence

2. How is 'peer review' objective or trustworthy when you control the process? It's like the old joke about the country club where you can't apply to join unless you're already a member...

[TheCrimsonSkull]

@ZapruderJr

You are right! I agree with you about Peer-Review:

This is what 'Peer-Reviewed' really means: If you present to us anything that is against the OCT we will rejected it.

'Peer-Review' is nothing more or less then just mass-mind-control

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

because it requires people who actually know wtf they are talking about to verify your claims as opposed to half educated morons on the internet rambling on about shit they know nothing about.

there are dozens of journals across the globe which deal with the specifics of 9/11. so this isn't a single group of people. truthers need to stop making excuses why they can't pass peer review.

[ZapruderJr]

@grandmastershek

Do you have an argument other than "We are smart and you are stupid"?

Do you have anything besides appeals to authority?

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

having research published in a real academic forum is not an appeal to authority. keep swinging for the fences.

[ZapruderJr]

@grandmastershek

Care to explain why? How does something being published in a journal make it automatically true? Are you telling me nothing 'peer reviewed' and claimed true was ever found to be false in the course of time?

You need evidence besides 'a group of guys say this is so', otherwise it's an appeal to authority, plain and simple.

Who decides what a "real" academic forum is? You, right? Again, so far your argument is nothing but "We are smart and you are stupid"

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

it doesn't. real academia doesn't subscribe to the absolutist "true vs. untrue"'dogmatism of people like yourself. it is only the best explanation based on the evidence at the time. basically you're saying you have faith that something in the future will vindicate your beliefs. we call that religion; like the return of jesus. rationalists work with the evidence in the here and now because we are here and now.

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

again, peer review is not an appeal to authority. so stop throwing around words you heard, but do not understand. peer review is the process which all academics must undergo to evaluate their work by other experts in their field. familiarize yourself with what AtA is before embarrassing yourself next time.

iep[dot]utm[dot]edu/fallacy/#A­ppeal%20to%20Authority

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

"You, right?"

wrong...but thanks for putting your ignorance on display again. a reputable forum (journal) is subject to scrutiny. if a journal demonstrates practices that do not adhere to reasonable levels of academic rigor it is not reputable. examples would be: selective peer review, no peer review, peer review by non experts. guess what, the journal of 9/11 studies and bentham publishers as a whole employ the above methods.

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

had you actually read journals or any relevant experience you would know journals and their articles must demonstrate thier claims. they don't just write "this is so". and guess what? other journals can publish articles contradicting another journal's articles. so unfortunately, your extremely simple & entirely inaccurate view of how academia operates is wrong.

i would suggest actually understanding a subject before making more baseless claims, but then again you're a truther.

[ZapruderJr]

"but then again you're a truther." Deflect away, man.

Yeah, I feel soooo embarrassed :)

As far as absolutism, YOU are taking the absolutist position that Gage is not reputable and his position is baseless.

"the process which all academics must undergo to evaluate their work by other experts in their field"

You just don't get it, do you? This is my whole point. Cont'd;

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

indeed gage isn;t reputable. he regularly demonstrates it through his incompetence and deceit. he claims that fires don't cause explosions or flashes. wrong...simply search "fire explosions" and you find ample examples of fires with explosions. he more recently proved this by claiming that there was a patent in 1984 of a thermite cutter charge and provided a patent number. turns out that patent number goes to a thermite ignition system.

what's your point? aside baseless claims

[ZapruderJr]

Thank you!!! I don't have time at the moment to see if what you say there is correct or not (and I never said that Gage was correct on everything, In fact, I don't think I even said he was correct at all) but you finally seem to be getting my point. Now this is a style of argumentation that actually makes sense. Talking about the actual evidence and claims. Thankfully, you're also embracing absolutism by calling him wrong. Good for you, man! That's really all that I wanted.

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

yup...gage is making baseless claims. thats why jones and company need to start validating their evidence in the same way every other academic does. so far their research is taken on faith. basically you have been saying all along that you read it on the internet so it must be true. educated people know better.

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

if your point is that you have no idea how science and academia in general work, you're doing a bang up job. stop making excuses because your so called experts not only are incapable of meeting real academic standards, they repeatedly try to fake them.

[ZapruderJr]

If you happen to like the conclusions of the journal, they are "reputable". If someone publishes evidence that goes against the party line, you can just push them out of the way and calling them "unacademic" and then claim your position has "passed all scrutiny". You can give yourself a facade of 'legitimacy' without actually addressing the what the EVIDENCE says.

Who is deciding what an "expert" is? If you happen to like their conclusions, they are an expert!

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

wow...well thanks for your opinion based on nothing. but in truth land personal belief always seems to trump actual demonstration.

[EGRJ]

@ZapruderJr Actually, a Truther paper was published in an allegedly peer-reviewed journal. Truthers rejoiced. The editor at the time actually resigned, since they said they had never seen the paper before publishing. Then someone sent in a nonsense paper by non-existent writers, from a non-existent institute, yet they were willing to publish once payment was made.

And now Truthers scoff at the highfalutin concept of "peer-review", and pretend that previous fiasco never happened.

[ZapruderJr]

How can I tell if my conclusion is correct? "Well it has been passed by all the reputable journals";

How do you know what a reputable journal is? "If they agree with my conclusion"

It's circular reasoning. Evidence is evidence, peer review has no bearing on it. Address the EVIDENCE instead.

[grandmastershek]

@ZapruderJr

do you have any evidence this is the case other than your own little reality?

consider that if this system is so pointless why do jones and harrit try to fake it? they obviously value it since they try to bear the facade of such. oh well, but you get to hand wave it away and dictate the standards of academia based on your personal unsubstantiated belief because your experts got caught trying to bullshit everyone. youré not the first truther who has been trying to make excuses.

[EGRJ]

@ZapruderJr Yet Gage has not been published in ANY journal not part of the Truth movement. In other words, the ones that agree with his conclusion.

What was that about circular reasoning?

[EGRJ]

@ZapruderJr Nobody controls peer review. It's just a bunch of guys trying to prove you wrong. It is the accepted standard for scientific proof. If Gage can't meet take that heat, he should get out of the kitchen.

[ZapruderJr]

@EGRJ

Accepted by who? A 'bunch of guys' can easily set their own 'standards' to be whatever they want, much like a cartel. At one time a flat earth was 'the accepted standard' for further scientific discovery. Like I said, evidence is evidence. Truth is my standard, and the truth has no agenda.

[EGRJ]

@ZapruderJr Gaga claims to be a scientist, yet refuses to meet even the most basic scientific standard. Basically, he wants a double standard applied to him.

The flat-earth thing went out of vogue in Ptolemy's time. Even by 1492, most people who could read knew earth was round.

The thing about the scientific method is that it has to produce repeatable results. If someone can do the same thing you did, and get the same results, you're right.

[TheBubbaZed]

Having been a peer reviewer and having been peer reviewed, the reason for it is to make sure not just any old crack pot theory gets published. Much like the BS AE911'truth' advocates.

[27boof]

at 1:53 'When you don't have a 2 way discussion based on solid scientific theories, it really doesn't make any sense" (to have a discussion w/AE). If you're NIST & you don't have any "solid scientific theory" & you're lying to the public then of course it doesn't make any sense to have a discussion w/ an org which IS based ENTIRELY on solid scientific theory, because then you will be proven wrong, your lies will be shown up in the light of day, the light of truth. We all know the truth you lier

[grandmastershek]

@27boof

is that why ae911truth can't pass, scratch that, fake peer review?

[hawkeyicockburn]

Thank you AE, posted hawekeyicockburn channel

[666isMONEY]

Nice work & don't forget CIA killed JFK and Israel deliberately tried to sink USS Liberty in a false-flag operation. The shadow-government is EVIL!

[SapperK9]

Shyam=Shyster=Sham...

[thudmother]

Thank you AE911 Truth!!

[Brawn]

thank you ae

[IExposeMormonism]

Well, at least when we watch the eyes of our little Sham, I mean Shyam, we can see the truth of the matter. Sham is a liar.He belittles ae911truth members when saying haven't understood the peer review and scientific evidence. Deflecting the truth exposes the truth. The best way to confront a Sham is head on.

[KevinMerck]

watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU

It's important to watch the whole clip.

The cross that was formed is enough evidence for any reasonable person to conclude that temperatures far exceeded those possible under the conditions.

If you don't understand that this was controlled demolition after seeing this clip then you are either hopelessly ignorant, willfully ignorant, or part of the cover-up.

In any case, it's never productive to argue about it. I've found it best to state the facts and move on.

[grandmastershek]

@KevinMerck

yup, poison the well and run away! it's the kevin merck way!

[BablyonsKing]

I say we hang the whole lot of these lying little scum sucking bastards. Of course we don't want to debate this with someone like Richard Gage, no no no. This sunder bastard is from some other country sucking off our HARD EARNED tax dollars and getting rich lying to the VERY gullible folks who don't seem to think there was anything wrong with building 7 or the other two towers.

[3masons1]

Keep up the good work Mr Gage

[sadol11]

Mr Gage your courage and truth already made you vicorious, thanks for being outspoken in our place, i thank you from the bottom of my heart!!

[rachelabombdotcom]

Thank you Mr Gage and AandE for never giving up.

[greenback001]

Those NIST creeps are going to face justice one day soon. Some will probably be hung for treason.

[Gunnarsguns]

The people that are covering this up are either being paid very well or threatened and most likely both..

[CaptainCrikey]

Many people looking into 9/11 for the first time may be influenced by comments left on videos, to form their opinion. I have noticed that there seems be a lot of highly motivated debunkers, if you deviate from the Official Story. I encountered one such person, LOLCATS3111, on the following video:

watch?v=EFIZwC6z4Kk

I am familiar with their tactics and engaged in the debate. They relied heavily on the EXPERTISE of the NIST people to further their agenda.

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[CaptainCrikey]

I continued the debate and listed many videos which disproved their claims. The major videos I posted were the following: To show NIST was far from reliable: watch?v=V0GHVEKrhng watch?v=XtKLtUiww80&feature=re lated watch?v=Vz43hcKYBm4&feature=re lated To show 70+ mph lateral ejections: watch?v=djwBCEmHrSE watch?v=B9YjireIPCQ watch?v=aUKLOlIhang Virtually all Concrete & None Steel Contents Pulverized-Some Mid Air watch?v=WB3IvA8WCyo watch?v=atSd7mxgsGY watch?v=NbTpXTHXAuM 2 of 3

[CaptainCrikey]

Witnesses to explosions

watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=Pl ayList&p=20F0B6EC1705DF21&inde x=79

Mid air pulverizations and other collapse details

watch?v=6_B_Azbg0go

watch?v=PBVhxnkK6s8

watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c

There were other videos I listed, but you get the point. Hopefully this may translate to others learning the facts as opposed to listening to these shills. I doubt if could held up my end of the debate without the video proof to counter them. Thanks Richard, Dave, etc.

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[archerace7]

Good luck at getting any of these people to talk about any of this beyond sound bytes and issued reports.

The fix is in and there is just to much power behind it to ever overcome it at this point.

[ZejithThemis]

The gatekeepers are more infuriating, nefarious and all told more dangerous than the scheming politicos & MIC.

The mantra of the gatekeepers has become obvious, as in recent years it's been repeated on so many issues:

"They have not published anywhere important. Debating them would be a waste of time. The only possible dialog is through the peer review mafia. If you don't recite our official version by rote you're useless."

[BrickUnit]

The walls on the right side were untouched, they shouldnt have fallen at the same time as the left side of the building

[TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE]

He thinks that settles it!

He is wrong!

He is making it harder to cover up!

[katey1dog]

What a bunch of bullshit. Steel framed buildings do not fail from exposure to an office fire.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

Come clean with his conscious...

This man has no conscious.

[workedant]

Man how can these NIST people blatantly lie with straight face? I don't know how they sleep well at night. Maybe they don't. Galileo risked his life by claiming that the earth was round. He was a true scientist. The likes of these NIST and global scam climate change scientists are dishonest and criminal. How can a building fall into its own foot print with office fire in a freefall speed. Galileo will resurrect from the grave at that claim. Thanks for all your work AE911Truth. You are awesome!

[911veritas]

Many thanks for all that Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth have done to forward the truth.

I bet Sham and his cohorts don't sleep too well...

Happy festivities to one and all !!!

Best wishes

[chich234]

OOOhh look another satan's child this so called Richard Gage

[arcanekrusader]

Since when are crimes solved by looking peer reviewed studies, Mr Sunder?

[Squirelbutt]

someone needs to take this nist guy out back and beat the crap out of him.

[katey1dog]

With an engineers manual.

[2JOHNNYT]

So a FUEL OIL fire downed 1&2

and an OFFICE FURNITURE fire downed 7 - ha!

Here's 20 9/11questions for NIST, with a humorous bent

watch?v=8DQp0QxkBCU

[OneEyedElephant]

There is no science in the theories of others yet Sunder explains how,for the first time ever,a building fell in less than 12 hours due to office furnishing fires.Too funny.

[dukemalibu]

I smell a rat.

[theyreoutthere]

Sunder is a liar and traitor. wtc7 collapsed from explosives planted there. google barryy jennings wtc7