Ok for 1.. How can a political party be scary?? All the parties that are there are obviously there for our needs so none should be scary.. Unless ur just weird like that.. Socialism is not scary nor evil.. I would say republican is evil more than any...
i think socialism is scary and im middle to low class cuz it is the staple of communism and unlike some people i accepet im not rich but im not ganna take from others a nd pull them down like a leach and what if one of us did become rich thats not ganna happen in socialism
True. I would also add if two companies are competing against each other, both will be reluctant to drop the price if they control the demand. Try to shop for some tires and call around, what you notice is that the rates are high but close together...look at the gas prices riven now hovering around 4/ gal
@sisque16 Until someone offers the same service at a slightly lower price...Then they steal the entire market and other companies backlash with a price war which benefits consumers. This is capitalism.
Free market works only under the assumption that consumers have the freedom to choose an unlimited amount of products and services. However, the reality is when companies manipulate the supply and demand of these products, they control the cost and hold the consumer hostage to necessities such as oil costs, gas, healthcare, etc.
@sisque16 and when the consumer goes to another competitive company for their cheaper and more competitive prices then the other companies will be screwed and go out of business. problem solved.
....young beautiful dutch women walk into my office everyday no more than 26 yrs old using forearm brace crutches. I ask them why they use them its the same thing everytime," i was young and they wouldn't operate." be careful what you wish for... Now with that said...i believe crony capitalism is wrong too. that's our current model...we need less gov't, less tax and regulation on small business, and a true free market.....and manufacturing jobs and skilled labor
What? We don't create shit in the US anymore.... I fully believe in the Middle Class, we just don't have one anymore. Free Healtcare? Holy shit....you don't want the health care we have here in holland....my god what an ignorant statment. I hate Conservatives ....But i REALLY fucking hate liberals because they make these blanket statments like "If we took this money and allocated it over here we could take care of everyone Man." YOu get what you pay for...and thats the truth with healthcare too
to produce something, instead of worrying about taking care of everyone with the big hand of government lets worry about brining back tangible jobs that manufacture a product that can be bought and sold on an open market for profit. Look at the soviet union when it went bankrupt...everyone had a job but you had to wait 6 hours in line for a loaf of bread. "We create the profit?"
dude...holy shit. the crap that is spewing out of that dudes mouth is ridiculous... I'm a doc in Holland...a very socialistic country. free healthcare? free college? What does that even mean? Great now we have a million unemployed bachelor degree holding people we have to take care of with the gov't safety net, i can't tell you how many unemployed arcitechs i know, so basically we have a large amount of really smart people on unemployment. Education is a sham. If the US wants jobs we need
Yeah!!! Fucking RT TV... bring some one FROM AN EX SOCIALIST CONTRY AND ASK THEM WHAT FUCK IS SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me ask a single question: Berlim wall: why the hell people from COMMUNIST side was trying to go to CAPITALIST side, and not the contrary????
How GULAGS operate?
How GRU operate??
How purges operate??
What was the % of population were leaders of communist party and how mucth of wealth then holded??? (limousines, best food, best cars, Swiss bank counts...)
i here how would you feel if you were a brain surgeon making as much money as a janitor when i bring this subject up and i simply reply how do you feel now busting your balls 40+ hours a week working and some guy who just closed a factory and fired half a million people made more money in that hour of work than you'll ever see in your life
@Scattnam this is how capitalism works a bunch of rich people spend billions of dollars to not even get elected once in there they make laws that help the rich make even more money while fucking over the middle man. worst part is only the rich can run for office so unless by some miracle a politician who isnt corrupt or greedy manages to get elected and help out the lower and middle class all of congress and the senate vote against him. then you have our current economy. hope you happy
@Scattnam further more every member of congress the senate or other branches of the government have all there taxes paid for life along with free full health and dental coverage. and yet they still have millions in their pockets. and finally the FED the company that prints our money is privately owned by British and European bankers for the soul purpose of keeping America in dept to them.
Idk what your argueing about. But if this country stud by it's moral roots of our founding fathers. We wouldn't be haveing this problem. A republic is the best way. To were you can earn and reap for what you sow. And have the choice to help a person in need know the difference from a loafer who begs.
@Scattnam a dumb naive person calls another person dumb.. what a surprise.. get some informations before u talk about it... i love people talking about an issue were they dont have any informations about it... but they talk like they know everything about it... embarrassing.. :)
u are repeating the US propaganda of the cold war... i think there is still propaganda like that in the US obviously but not that much like in the cold war.. get some informations , sheep..
@Tuppoo94 well guess what, because they are socialist they are probably living in a hellhole. Capitalist nations have the highest standards of living in the world, socialism is basically a transitional phase to a dictatorship.
@Scattnam I live in Finland, and I can assure you we are NOT a dictatorship like North Korea or China. That's because socialism is only partially in place here. That's called social democracy.
@Scattnam yet america has the highest crime/murder rate drug rate prison population out of any of the "1st world countries" how about instead of letting everyone who isnt born into the 1% have chance at getting there instead of cutting education and all the other things that help build a better future. but no we give billionaires more tax breaks so the can "hire" more ppl but there hasnt been a shit for jobs made from it. and some how magically they see record bonuses and profits.
@Scattnam and then those same rich fucks do what Romney does and buy out companies foreclose them liquidate assets and kill jobs or they close down american factories and send the jobs over sees where they pay indian and Chinese workers 12 cents an hour. capitalism is finally starting to fail because the bottom of the pyramid doesnt have anymore money to be leaches from it by the top.
@Tuppoo94 because you can use Wikipedia for any college paper and not have your professor laugh at you before giving you a -f and kicking you out of his class.
@Freez57fr although I don't approve of capitalism or the way the government is handling the country but Americans are in general very smart, we invented a lot of the worlds modern techongly so you sir can go f*ck yourself
@TheManicalSatanist6 just to point out a little fact about your claim about the high standard of living, norway (a socialistic country) has the highest standard of living..... Weird how that works right
All of Rockefeller's capital (wealth) could not build a house or a machine or even a toothpick; only human labor can do that. Of itself, capital cannot produce anything. It is the thing that is produced by labor.
Capitalists like to say they are putting their money to work, but money as such does not work.What they really mean is that they are using their money to put human labor to work, paying workers less in wages than they produce in sales. That's how money grows. Capital annexes living labor in order to convert itself into goods and services that will produce still more capital
@ckars Recommended reading list for you, since you're a Socialist Retard (that's a redundancy)
"Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis", "Planned Chaos", and "Human Action: A Treatise on Economics" by Ludwig Von Mises. "How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes" by Peter Schiff. "The Anatomy of the State" by Murray Rothbard. "Economics in ONE Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. ANYTHING written by Frederic Bastiat. And, "Lessons for the Young Economist" by Robert Murphy.
@TheManiacalSatanist6 That's not a redudancy, there are healthy minded people in socialist countries. There is a differnece between real literature and economic propaganda (all those books you have quoted are propaganda). But even a broken clock is right twice a day (Peter Schiff)
"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."
...In state-oriented forms of market socialism, in which state enterprises attempt to maximise profit, the profits can be used to fund government programs and services through a social dividend, eliminating or greatly diminishing the need for various forms of taxation that exist in capitalist systems.
4. Market socialism: Market socialism consists of publicly owned or cooperatively owned enterprises operating in a market economy. It is a system that utilizes the market and monetary prices for the allocation and accounting of the means of production, thereby retaining the process of capital accumulation. The profit generated would be used to directly remunerate employees or finance public institutions....
4. Market socialism: Market socialism consists of publicly owned or cooperatively owned enterprises operating in a market economy. It is a system that utilizes the market and monetary prices for the allocation and accounting of the means of production, thereby retaining the process of capital accumulation. The profit generated would be used to directly remunerate employees or finance public institutions....
...in that micro-economic decision making, such as quantity to be produced and output requirements, are left to managers and workers in the state and cooperative enterprises rather than being mandated by a comprehensive economic plan from a centralised planning board. However, the state will plan long-term strategic investment and seek to coordinate at least some aspects of production. It is possible for a state-directed economy to have elements of both a market and planned economy.
3. State-directed economy: A state-directed economy is a system where either the state or worker cooperatives own the means of production, but economic activity is directed to some degree by a government agency or planning ministry through coordinating mechanisms such as indicative planning and dirigisme. This differs from a centralized planned economy....
2.Self-managed economy: A self-managed decentralized economy is based upon autonomous self-regulating economic actors and a decentralized mechanism of allocation and decision-making. A degree of self-management was practiced in the economic system of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which contrasts to the centralized planning of enterprises in Soviet-style planned economies.
1. Planned economy: A planned economy combines public ownership of the means of production with centralised state planning. This model is usually associated with the centralised Soviet-style command economy. In a centrally planned economy, decisions regarding the quantity of goods and services to be produced are planned in advance by a planning agency.
Countries claim to be socialist and communist and capitalist but truly they are not, they just resemble the system so it's hard to say one system is the best because we don't have true examples of the three systems. But I still believe socialism is the most fair system but I'd admit I'd change the system a little so people would still have a monetary reason to come up with new products, for example the government would give a lump sum to the creator equal to the net worth of the product after a
True, their hasn't really been a communist country that I can think of but any true examples of the three economic systems are hard to find. For example America isn't completely capitalist, we are guided capitalists. But what I believe is if Americans gave socialism a chance they'd find out it isn't the evil force that we've been told to fear, was the ussr or Cuba trues communist no but are they true socialist? No
And to explain the difference between communist and socialist society's you have to look at the way that a class less society is obtained. In communism it is achieved by oppressing the upper class (which shows in north Korea) but in socialism it is achieved by reform and law change, this appears in Sweden but not entirely (to long to explain) so don't listen to the history books and the government because they demonizes socialist society's, open up your mind and think for yourself and then make
@theorginalhamburglar Sweden is truly not worthy of being pertaining to examples of socialist countries anymore. The current government is changing everything that the social democrats have built over the last century; the reason why we have stayed out of wars, done well in financial crisises and the reason why people in my country for the moment have good health care.
People don't want higher taxes because in a capitalist system that means less money to spend on over-priced goods but in a socialist country goods would be much cheaper so the high tax rate wouldn't be a factor and you wouldn't have to pay for schooling (including college) and health care. The problem is Americans are scared of socialism because of propaganda and the way communist (NOT SOCIALIST!) countries have treated their people
@theorginalhamburglar No, Communism the way Marx saw it (the only way it really matters) has never existed at all. Therefore the Soviet Union, Cuba, and Vietnam, ect. Are all Socialist. Also, healthcare and college is NOT freem it comes from tax dollars.
@CyberTechWolf I think you should watch what you write... go look up the definition of socialism in a trustworthy source. Now consider how countries like Cuba and Vietnam are run and how it matches the definition... Then, can you truly look me in the eye and say that that definition is transferable to the events and conditions of the countries?
@Ichibaz I mean, Communism the way Marx saw it has been misguided. I don't believe in Communism but Marx saw it as a stateless society in which the people own the emans of production. Those countires are controlled by a strong centalized government, not the people. So Communism the way Marx saw it has never existed, and as the father of the idea I think his opinion is far more important than any website's.
@CyberTechWolf And perhaps you should look up what a Free Market Capitalist society really is. Cause I can tell you America is NOT capitalist, we are corporatist. Learn the difference.
@CyberTechWolf This is excactly what I mean! There has never existed a communist country because non of the coutries that have ever existed have fit the definition that marx created. What I, (and you) am trying to say is that the only communism that has only existed is the one form the guy who came up with the idea; marx. Countries today that calll themselves communist have no right to do so!
@theorginalhamburglar I completely agree with up to the point where you write "the way communist (NOT SOCIALIST!) countries have treated their people". Think about it, has there ever existed a communist country? If you believe so, please do give examples:)
Think the main reason why people would rather have budget cuts and a smaller government, is because they feel that taxes are already high as it is and feel that they are receiving a smaller and smaller portion of their earnings each year. In a socialist country, there would not be this problem if the government is the one that gives the people their actual deserved amount, instead of this bureaucratic method of taxing.
Ok seriously. Its obvious that all countries that have ever attempted this "free market" thing have ended up way worse then those who choose not to, and choose to actively regulate and tax their industry, and provide public benefits. PERIOD.
Iceland, Faroe Islands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark. (The Nordic countries) have been living in Social Democracy/Socialistic societies for a long time, and we are pretty successful i would say. Together we have the lowest crime rate in the world. We are the richest countries in the world per.capita. We have the highest living standards, free education "with pay", and healthcare. Our left wing clearly states: Healthy economy is when there is a balance between growth and equality. Smile:)
You guys managed to combine the best of capitalism (economic dynamism and freedom, wealth creation, prosperity) and socialism (equity, decent living standard for everyone, high quality universal education and health care). It is possible.
@TheFaroedane I'm from Sweden, and I definately agree that this has in the majority of cases been true. However, I'm sad to say that Sweden is currently on the virge of becoming less and less "socialist" (as defined by social democrats) with out current government being in favour of capitalism and is currently only creating larger diferences between the people. I hope that they will be stopped, or else we'll be just like the USA:(
@Ichibaz I know you have a right wing at the moment, but i hope it will shift the next election. I am from the Faeroe Islands, and we also have a capitalistic government at the moment, but i believe it will change again the next election... Last night i dreamed that socialism was not tomorrow, but a part of the future society when humans had realized, the benefits of solidarity as a part of human development and process.. Remember even dough you have a right wing, it is still social Democracy :)
Oh. and by the way, how the hell did this bimbo become director of research analysis? My biggest problem with the media is that they insist on airing these "experts" and political analysts who can do nothing more than cite statistical data. Their capacity for logic and reason is practically non-existent. It's no wonder the people who watch the news are so stupid.
@TheManiacalSatanist6 And capitalism is working? LMAO ok dude like I said, most of the world is capitalist. Sounds like you need to travel more often. If you do, tell me how most of the world is doing under capitalism. That's your indicator, not the crap you hear on Fox news.
@ckars I don't. The only media I watch is the occasional YouTube clip, whether it comes from Fox or some other network is irrelevant. I listen to the Peter Schiff show, and I watch and listen to Mises Media. That's it.
@TheManiacalSatanist6 "Whether it comes from Fox or some other network is irrelevant". Nope it is relevant- Example: GE ownes NBC, so when the earthquake happen in Japan, and some were debating the safety of nuclear power, do you think a company like GE would have a company it owns air an unbiased report on the safety and efficacy of Nuclear power? I don't think so...
@ckars Who never worked a day in his life? Are you serious? Are you fucking kidding me? That dude did more in his life time than you and I could do in 20 of ours COMBINED!
@ckars I know enough about Mises to know that some idiot on the internet, *myself included* isn't going to come close to doing half of what that man did. So, no, my claims are NOT unsubstantiated. Very few people have accomplished the things that Mises did. You are NOT going to even come within a fraction of it.
It is pretty obvous of the amount of ignorance on the forums of this video. You do not realize the horrors of communism/socialism. GOOGLE "NORTH KOREA" OR "SOVIETY UNION" "CUBA GIVING UP COMMUNISM" fucking idiots. Socialism/communism is FAILED SYSTEM!!!!! we need pure capitalism. END ALL WELFARE! Stop regulating businesses, ITS KILLING JOBS! End the min wage, end all these "no child labor" crap, if the child wants to work let him.
Socialism is basically communism, they both take away our rights as human beings, we are deprived of the right to speak out against the government. We both own no property under a communist AKA socialist society! Fuck Liberals when will you get it through your head. SOCIALISM DOESNT WORK ITS BASICALLY TOTALTARIANISM! SOVIET UNION SOCIALIST NORTH KOREA IS SOCIALIST AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAD GONE THROUGH EXPLAIN TO ME WHY CUBA IS BECOMMING LESS SOCIALIST SOCIALIST ARE FUCKTARDS
lol socialism isnt bad and never has been..... a totaltarian dictatorship is bad and was what was bad about the cccp and nazi germany and fascious italy so... wtf r yall talking bout????
@that242GUY hey clueless fucktard, get a clue will ya? when will you libtards ever learn. Socialism COMMUNISM DOES NOT WORK! DO SOME RESEACH STOP WATCHING FUCKING MSNBC!
We don't have capitalism we have a kleptocracy of bankers and their cronies deciding that their huge gambles that failed (many knew they were going to fail) should be passed on to everyone else. That isn't capitalism, that's bailouts for the rich. Where was everyone else's bailouts?
News flash... income disperity will never decrease under this capitalist system. Americans are blissfully ignorant about what socialism really is. People are so accustomed to living their independent little lives, pretending that they're self sufficient, that they're terrified of anything that requires cooperation. They're afraid they'll all be herded into some Stalinist collective.
TO ALL SOCIALIST COMRADES, you are the people that believe not only in socialism. but in mankind, its people like you that will bring the world to a new age of peace and prosperity , each day more and more people realize that the we are working to make the rich even richer that many are working for the few.96% of the wealth of the world is owned by 1% of the people, just imagine if they gave up just half of their wealth, poverty would cease to exist.
@or2169 North Korea is the ultimate example of a one man dictatorship. To mistake that for socialism, where people democratically & cooperatively own and manage their institutions, is a typically ignorant misrepresentation. What we have now in the US is bordering on a corporate state where corporations are hijacking our democracy.
@Freez57fr Sierra Leone is Fascist. It is capitalism at it apex. Upton Sinclair, a well known American author, once said: Fascism is capitalism + Murder. If Capitalism isn't well regulated, if not eliminated, it has a tendency to morph in to this most viral form.
I had to get the heck out of Cuba because their system has never worked and will never work. Having people like that guy in the U.S who haven't lived in socialism and yet with all of their screaming try to push the system into this nation, gives me the creeps. The idea of socialism getting to the United States and having to deal with it a second time in my life simply scares the hell out of me.
@llanesyasmani do you live in a socialist nation no oh well then how do you know. Sweden is a Social Democracy a nation built around democracy and charing wealth in the us it's no longer capitalism witch rule but korroption in large scale think
@llanesyasmani hahahahaha cuba is a blody dictaorship no socialist nation has bine created thrue revolotion. Plus it's a communist dictoarship. You migth have lived in cuba but have you lived in a real democracy with socialism. Nopr well then hope on over to the nordic nations.
@deadline93 Remember, socialism or capitalism is nothing more than an economic system, it has nothing to do with a dictatorial government. Cuba had a dictatorship before Fidel Castro with Fulgencio Batista but in a capitalist system, and yet became the diamond of the Caribbean, Castro came along with his communist dictatorship and in less than 5 years the island became the hell of the Caribbean.
@llanesyasmani you meen a blod dimond. Castro dont have my support but its no supprise he killed of the government. they wear a blody killing machin replace by another. And that blockad aint helping the pepol ethier
@deadline93 becuse sweden has had nearly 50 years of Social Democratic rule 30 years of those nonstop same party. Second charing wealth is part of socialism however it's an indevor to make everyone eqal. And in the US lobbing in large scale leeds to korruption. The us has never bin a capitalistic nation cuse pepol don't starve in the streets. Capitalism is also a broad name cuse socialst nations use State Capitalism.
@llanesyasmani I've lived in American poverty and had a sister die for lack of healthcare. socialism doesn't work, but neither does capitalism as we know it today. Social Democracy is the answer.
@mysticresistence You had a sister who died due to a lack of healthcare in the US? Interesting, I am dying to know more about your story. What happened exactly? Give me the details.
@llanesyasmani She died of Kidney failure. She had a pre-existing condition so when she got a job she was denied healthcare but made too much at the job to qualify for medicaid. Catholic Charities helped out but they had a big budget issue closed down branches, which meant she had nowhere to go. She was looking for another charity when she got sick and died. If she had comprehensive healthcare, she would have lived. That would have never happened in Denmark.
@saberur66 No, what he have in America is another corporate tool of a president who passes ridiculous laws...like that healthcare crap. It says that we HAVE TO buy healthcare from PRIVATE COMPANIES. WTF? If it was government funding of people who can then go to a private doctor, I could say, but not Obama care. What we have in the USA is socialism for the rich and corporations.
@saberur66 Social Democracy is a system of balance between capitalism and socialism. In social democracy, taxes exist with the expressed purpose of distributing wealth to the working & lower classes in the form of services, while still allowing the wealthy to keep most of their earnings. America has a few "here, now shut up" programs like medicaid, which are a bureaucratic & don't work. We need a reformed system & a new, better tax code.
@mysticresistence Sorry for your loss. What we need is single payer health care ie medicare for all. Support HR 686. It was written by Rep. John Conyers(MI) and co sponsored by Rep. Dennis Kucinich(OH)
Are you just stupid? (well you're American, and you just show that American is synonym of stupid)
Can't you make the difference between communism and social democracy?
The UK looks like Cuba because socialists were in office from 1997 to 2010? Tony Blair, Mitterand, Schroeder looks like Castro??? France looks like Cuba because socialists have been in office 20 years since 1970 (and probably 2012) Germany looks like Cuba? Sweden, Belgium, Japan, Italy, Spain???
So Germany, Japan, France, Italy, the UK, etc... looks like communist dictatures because they are ruled, have been ruled and will be ruled by socialists?
Do you know what is social democracy?
The USA is the only "democracy" with no social democrat party.
Not surprising you're the only country without free healthcare, with a middleclass fucked in the ass more and more every day and asking for more.
The Americans like to be fucked, even when they are paid 5$/hour, that's an evidence.
So when you'll have real arguments, and not stupid comments just making the Americans look stupid like "Cuba is a socialist country".
Just learn to make the difference between social democracy (British Labour Party, French socialist party, SDP of Germany, Spanish socialist's workers party, etc.. which are in office half of the time in these countries) and the USSR, Cuba and communist dictatures.
@Freez57fr LOL SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY! you are a fucking idiot there is no such thing. Soviety union North Korea are they DEMOCRACIES!!?? DUMBFUCK YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!
@Freez57fr I am American and unfortunately you are corect. American people are so dumb they still believe the official fairy tales of The JFK assasination and 9/11. I would not waste too much time talking to Americans.
@ckars If you didn't know the Federal Reserve Bank is Not Federal, Not a Reserve nor is it a Bank. As for printing money the government is involved. It wasn't till Obama became President till the printing of US currency became out of control. If it doesn't get under control soon China will no longer accept our dollar and turn it in for gold. When that happens we're F*CKED. The dollar would hit it's true value of $0.00. Try buying something with Monopoly Money.
@lifeforce218 What Federal Reserve really means is "Lender at last resort". It is supposed to be reserved for the Federal Government in case it needs a loan. But money and debt are one in the same. No debt, no money! The government itself doesn't print the money. They have to print up some fancy paper document called a treasury bill and send it to Mister Bernanke, who then issues the loan to the US Treasury. The loan is secured by the income tax which took effect in 1916
@lifeforce218 BTW The Federal Reserve is a bank! It is known as "The Central Bank". And no it wasn't until both LBJ and Nixon that it got out of control. Because of The Guns and Butter of the 60's and early 70's the dollar lost 22 % of its purchasing power. Then Nixon ended the Brenten Woods Gold Standard in 1971 which was known as "The Nixon Shock". Believe me, I know much more history than you could imagine. As for Obama, I don't care for him.
@lifeforce218 That is just scare tactics used by speculators. If China rejects the dollar it would mean "Mutual Economic Destruction". As it is nation states do not control economies. The purse strings are controlled by a power behind the scenes. Some call it deep politics. some call it the illumanatti, many of them are in the Bildeberg Group. Whatever it is, it's still "PRIVATE" interests controlling everything
@ckars Good for your friends starting successful businesses in a socialist country. What I've read about socialism on a socialist website that their employees basically equally own that business. My business I own, but I share the same opportunity to others, they have the same opportunity to own there own business
Anyone who doesn't think pure capitalism doesn't work is a authoritarian piece of fucking shit. The idea is to punish the successful JUST BECAUSE you are jealous and give it to the deadbeats. We need a purely capitalist society.
Socialism DOES NOT WORK! ALL it does is force people into slave camps.
@tehatemachine How did Indonesia benefit? Or El Salvador? Or Various African Countries? What about Haiti? The US Corporate Empire, In our name, fuckes up all these countries on purpose. Who do you think destablizes these countries? Get that Red, white and blue dick out of you mouth. It not for democracy, It's creating fertile ground for corporate exploitation!!
@tehatemachine Have you ever lived in the USSR? The answer is probable NO Shithead! Other countries governments make decisions for the same reasons ours does. Corporations control the world thru NGO's like The WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and on and on. Only US Corporations and a handful of elites and government officials benefit. Not the people of those countries. If a leader stands up to the corporate cartels, they find themselves assasinated, or at the very least, overthrown.
@ckars Corporations wouldn't be a fucking problem if they didn't team up with the GOVERNMENT, Their only means of survival would be them having to compete. Obviously you don't know a smidgen of what you are talking about and i implore you to go read books on economics.
@tehatemachine If the government ruled the corporations like they rule the peasants then sure, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about the status quo, which is that corporations and the government have teamed up to one degree or another throughtout history. I don't know what I'm talking about lol oh you got me.... try again. I have read many books including milton friedman books and attended the same business school Mitt Romney and you hero GW Bush did cont.
@ckars Wow I look up to you man, You atended a buisiness school! You are now the hero of the internet.
"Corporations by nature are monopolistic" I'm not fully disagreeing to that, But towards your extent of being extreme about it. I will, Some have becoming monopolistic. But like Friedman explained. Most became that way by the help of the government.
@tehatemachine I didn't ask you to look up to me.I was responding to your assumption that I don't know a smidget about what I am talking about. You made a charge that I didn't know much about economics, so I provided evidence to counter your baseless accusation. Thats all. In addition,capitalism itself is an economic system with racism and classism built into it. Like keep saying, The corporations are the government. Marx once said that if you run the means of production you control society
@tehatemachine Capitalism doesn't work, Period. Trying to polish a lump of human excrement dosen't change the fact that it is excrement! BTW even thouogh Friedman wasnt "Technically" Part of the government, he was very instrumental in shaping Reagan's economic policies. So, to say that it's not corporations or capitalism, but the government is just semantics. People such as myself have to be extreme, otherwise we will lose our country for good!
@ckars "Capitalism doesn't work, Period. " Show me one system that DOESN'T have capitalism, No capitalism means no society amateur. If the people aren't controlling the capital then the government would. Capitalism will exist until there are no humans.
"he was very instrumental in shaping Reagan's economic policies." Of course and Reagan did an excellent job with some of friedmans ideas. Look at Chile, ha apparently you are just mad because you couldn't find a blot on his shield
@tehatemachine I will if you show me one system that doesn't have socialism! "If the people aren't controlling the capital the government would". OK Einstein, In a nation supposedly governed by government of, by and for the "people" who do you think is in the government? Yes People. And sorry, under Reagan, The national debt doubled under Reaganomics
@ckars 6 comments with TL;DR shit truly shows how mad You are, Though I understand you opinion. You problem is that you have a problem with anyone that disagrees with you. Under Reagan More minority's out of anyother president came out of poverty. You are discussing bad policy that finally took it's tole 1 decade before Reagan. You don't understand that every thing has long term effects
@tehatemachine I am not mad, Just want equal oportunity for all. Capitalism doesn't provide that. I don't have any problem. You just don't like debate. Debate is healthy, but accusations against people that disagree with you are unfounded. I am not mad at you or anybody else, You are just creating a strawman. Under Reagan, the so called minorities came out of poverty because of the amnesty program that created a new economic class. Black wages and employment went down under Reagan.
@tehatemachine Sorry but even if I take you claim about Reagan as truth, It doesn't go beyond LBJ's war on poverty which cut the poverty rate in half and reduced by 40 % the poverty rate for minorities. Again another so called Reaganite being loose with the information.
@tehatemachine Another fact about the Reagan Years is that The adjustment made to the Federal Poverty Guidelines did not run commersurate with the rise in inflation. In other words even those that supposedly came out of poverty didn't if you take the real cost of living into account. You can find all of this out on your own and I challenge you to do so.
@ckars "it doesn't mean that because a society uses capital that it is by default capitalistic" Every society has Capitalism, You are defining capitalism as a system with Mostly negative effects.WHICH IS NOT TRUE. it can be beneficial to a large majority or non beneficial. Again you are with painting everything black and white.
@tehatemachine Under Reagan, 1 % of the population went from owning 21 % of overall wealth to 39 % of overall wealth also known as the largest transfer of wealth up to that point in history. In order for the unemployment rate to remain below 10 %, Reagan included military personal as part of overall employment. First time any president did that. "Look at Chile" sure Chile is a banana republic. Just ask some people who actually live there. Want some more facts about Reagan?
@tehatemachine Every system has "Capital". And just because a country has capital doesn't make it Capitalistic. Under capitalism, the capital is accumulated into the hands of the few while the rest fight over the crums. You can argue all you want about what you think capitalism means, however it is capitalism that got the entire world into the brink of disaster, not socialism. Like the saying goes "The Proof Is In The Pudding"
@ckars "Under capitalism the capital is accumulated into the hands of the few while the rest fight over the crums. " " capitalism with government intervention of without doubt. Or Better yet state controlled like the former USSR and DPROK.
Defiantly not in the US YOU go an LOOK at other countries that do have what you are describing, And in all of those you will find a dictatorship whos state controls all capital. the DPROK.
@ckars Is what you really want? Fine then go move the the DPROK. And don't try to sway that shit on to another topic you slippery fucking snake. people like you always change your tactics and victimize your self while slurring evidence. A BIG fat blot on your scutcheon it is. You take to much for granted.
@tehatemachine "Slippery Fucking Snake". Oh just like most Youtube losers-When you lose a debate, start using epithets. Unfortunately your ignorance will lead to everybodys economic destruction, including your own. You really underestimate the danger ignorant people like you pose. Why don't you apply for Fix News, maybe they can use the pro fascist crap you spew
@ckars according to You, you've only win a debate when you told yourself that you won.
"maybe they can use the pro fascist crap you spew" YOU ARE A FASCIST! you oppose free market and free trade! go ahead and go do good for others by deciding for them. That's the exact component that creates fascism. and the more you believe yourself the more harm you will cause.
@tehatemachine There is no such thing as a free market! There is no absolute defiinition. Besides, in a free market, those who are economically entrenched will benefit the most, therefore it would be a free plunder. I believe in fair trade not "Free Trade". Free trade is just a con game that fools like you believe in. You don't even know what fascism is. You can't even counter the facts I gave you with honest rebuttals, so you call the kettle black. Nice try TE try again
@tehatemachine Whenever the other person in a debate starts using epithets, that is a tell tale sign of one who has lost! I don't have to tell you you've lost, you have shot yourself in the foot TE. Just think, I give you specifics, and you just counter with name calling. And a Fascist calling another person a fascist! Thats funny and not original. Right wing zealots have been doing that for years. There is no such thing as free trade or free markets! That's just a con game
@tehatemachine It's just a con game you and your pro fascist use. I emplore "Fair Trade" and "Fair Markets" which is a socialistic model. Like I said, I challenge you to look up the numbers I gave you, and lets see if you can give me some reliable, well sourced numbers for the claims you make about your Right Wind Heroes?
@tehatemachine I didn't slur any evidence. Would you like me to provide sources for my information? "Slippery Fucking Snake" . Oh I see, every time someone starts losing a debate they resort to epithets. Nice job TE. BTW I don't get mad at people who disagree with me, I just debate them. Debate is healthy to a real democracy. Why don't you apply for Fix News. They could probably use a pro fascist schill like yourself spewing that crap!
@tehatemachine I think you're confused. Although capital is the root word of capitalism, it doesn't mean that because a society uses capital that it is by default capitalistic. How many times do I have to tell you man, capitalism is an economic system that concentrated the majority of capital in to the hands of the few. If you had genuine competition then by definition it wouldn't be capitalism.
@tehatemachine You are creating the bogeyman just like Joseph McCarthy. Its not socialism thats causing these problems, but fascism. You're a Tea bagger aren't you? That would explain you lack of understanding on economics!
@tehatemachine Corporations by nature are monopolistic.They are organizational devices for the exploitation of labor and the accumulation of capital. Books on economic are written by people who have their own philosophy on how economics should work, same as law. That is why many faculty departments are named after them. What you are talking about is indoctrination. But carry on with your books and self indoctrination. Why don't you look up John Perkins and get some perspective
Ok for 1.. How can a political party be scary?? All the parties that are there are obviously there for our needs so none should be scary.. Unless ur just weird like that.. Socialism is not scary nor evil.. I would say republican is evil more than any...
nateman89691 3 days ago
i think socialism is scary and im middle to low class cuz it is the staple of communism and unlike some people i accepet im not rich but im not ganna take from others a nd pull them down like a leach and what if one of us did become rich thats not ganna happen in socialism
DaPlaystationBroHood 1 week ago
True. I would also add if two companies are competing against each other, both will be reluctant to drop the price if they control the demand. Try to shop for some tires and call around, what you notice is that the rates are high but close together...look at the gas prices riven now hovering around 4/ gal
sisque16 1 week ago
@sisque16 Until someone offers the same service at a slightly lower price...Then they steal the entire market and other companies backlash with a price war which benefits consumers. This is capitalism.
1337wafflezz 1 week ago
Free market works only under the assumption that consumers have the freedom to choose an unlimited amount of products and services. However, the reality is when companies manipulate the supply and demand of these products, they control the cost and hold the consumer hostage to necessities such as oil costs, gas, healthcare, etc.
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@sisque16 and when the consumer goes to another competitive company for their cheaper and more competitive prices then the other companies will be screwed and go out of business. problem solved.
saberur66 1 week ago
....young beautiful dutch women walk into my office everyday no more than 26 yrs old using forearm brace crutches. I ask them why they use them its the same thing everytime," i was young and they wouldn't operate." be careful what you wish for... Now with that said...i believe crony capitalism is wrong too. that's our current model...we need less gov't, less tax and regulation on small business, and a true free market.....and manufacturing jobs and skilled labor
DrMacb612 1 week ago
What? We don't create shit in the US anymore.... I fully believe in the Middle Class, we just don't have one anymore. Free Healtcare? Holy shit....you don't want the health care we have here in holland....my god what an ignorant statment. I hate Conservatives ....But i REALLY fucking hate liberals because they make these blanket statments like "If we took this money and allocated it over here we could take care of everyone Man." YOu get what you pay for...and thats the truth with healthcare too
DrMacb612 1 week ago
to produce something, instead of worrying about taking care of everyone with the big hand of government lets worry about brining back tangible jobs that manufacture a product that can be bought and sold on an open market for profit. Look at the soviet union when it went bankrupt...everyone had a job but you had to wait 6 hours in line for a loaf of bread. "We create the profit?"
DrMacb612 1 week ago
dude...holy shit. the crap that is spewing out of that dudes mouth is ridiculous... I'm a doc in Holland...a very socialistic country. free healthcare? free college? What does that even mean? Great now we have a million unemployed bachelor degree holding people we have to take care of with the gov't safety net, i can't tell you how many unemployed arcitechs i know, so basically we have a large amount of really smart people on unemployment. Education is a sham. If the US wants jobs we need
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Yeah!!! Fucking RT TV... bring some one FROM AN EX SOCIALIST CONTRY AND ASK THEM WHAT FUCK IS SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me ask a single question: Berlim wall: why the hell people from COMMUNIST side was trying to go to CAPITALIST side, and not the contrary????
How GULAGS operate?
How GRU operate??
How purges operate??
What was the % of population were leaders of communist party and how mucth of wealth then holded??? (limousines, best food, best cars, Swiss bank counts...)
Liars!!!!!
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123abc60456 4 weeks ago
i here how would you feel if you were a brain surgeon making as much money as a janitor when i bring this subject up and i simply reply how do you feel now busting your balls 40+ hours a week working and some guy who just closed a factory and fired half a million people made more money in that hour of work than you'll ever see in your life
BarbedWireCondom 1 month ago 2
@BarbedWireCondom You fucks better realize that socialism is basically a mild version of a fascist dictatorship.
Scattnam 1 month ago
@Scattnam this is how capitalism works a bunch of rich people spend billions of dollars to not even get elected once in there they make laws that help the rich make even more money while fucking over the middle man. worst part is only the rich can run for office so unless by some miracle a politician who isnt corrupt or greedy manages to get elected and help out the lower and middle class all of congress and the senate vote against him. then you have our current economy. hope you happy
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@Scattnam further more every member of congress the senate or other branches of the government have all there taxes paid for life along with free full health and dental coverage. and yet they still have millions in their pockets. and finally the FED the company that prints our money is privately owned by British and European bankers for the soul purpose of keeping America in dept to them.
BarbedWireCondom 4 weeks ago
Idk what your argueing about. But if this country stud by it's moral roots of our founding fathers. We wouldn't be haveing this problem. A republic is the best way. To were you can earn and reap for what you sow. And have the choice to help a person in need know the difference from a loafer who begs.
Aundrich 1 month ago
stupid bitch smiling, as he makes completely legitimate points to anybody with half a brain cell
only one point that matters: the rich get more money simply due to 'ownership' whilst the poor work and work to no avail
JaysEpiphany 1 month ago
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jays you're a dumb hick lol.
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@Scattnam a dumb naive person calls another person dumb.. what a surprise.. get some informations before u talk about it... i love people talking about an issue were they dont have any informations about it... but they talk like they know everything about it... embarrassing.. :)
u are repeating the US propaganda of the cold war... i think there is still propaganda like that in the US obviously but not that much like in the cold war.. get some informations , sheep..
crackz123 1 month ago
@scattnam you have no clue what socialism and communism is so find out what they are and you will see they are worlds apart from each other
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
Socialism is basically communism. They basically are both dictatorships
name me ONE democratic socialist country? NONE
Scattnam 1 month ago
@Scattnam Norway.
olboable 1 month ago
@Scattnam Finland. Please, go to Wikipedia and educate yourself.
Tuppoo94 1 month ago
@Tuppoo94 well guess what, because they are socialist they are probably living in a hellhole. Capitalist nations have the highest standards of living in the world, socialism is basically a transitional phase to a dictatorship.
Scattnam 1 month ago
@Scattnam I live in Finland, and I can assure you we are NOT a dictatorship like North Korea or China. That's because socialism is only partially in place here. That's called social democracy.
Tuppoo94 1 month ago
@Scattnam yet america has the highest crime/murder rate drug rate prison population out of any of the "1st world countries" how about instead of letting everyone who isnt born into the 1% have chance at getting there instead of cutting education and all the other things that help build a better future. but no we give billionaires more tax breaks so the can "hire" more ppl but there hasnt been a shit for jobs made from it. and some how magically they see record bonuses and profits.
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@Scattnam and then those same rich fucks do what Romney does and buy out companies foreclose them liquidate assets and kill jobs or they close down american factories and send the jobs over sees where they pay indian and Chinese workers 12 cents an hour. capitalism is finally starting to fail because the bottom of the pyramid doesnt have anymore money to be leaches from it by the top.
BarbedWireCondom 4 weeks ago
@Tuppoo94 because you can use Wikipedia for any college paper and not have your professor laugh at you before giving you a -f and kicking you out of his class.
BarbedWireCondom 4 weeks ago
@BarbedWireCondom Huh???
Tuppoo94 4 weeks ago
@Freez57fr although I don't approve of capitalism or the way the government is handling the country but Americans are in general very smart, we invented a lot of the worlds modern techongly so you sir can go f*ck yourself
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
the socialist has no idea what he is talking about!
boghdan2000 1 month ago
@TheManicalSatanist6 just to point out a little fact about your claim about the high standard of living, norway (a socialistic country) has the highest standard of living..... Weird how that works right
P.S. America is ranked 4th :)
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
All of Rockefeller's capital (wealth) could not build a house or a machine or even a toothpick; only human labor can do that. Of itself, capital cannot produce anything. It is the thing that is produced by labor.
ckars 1 month ago
Capitalists like to say they are putting their money to work, but money as such does not work.What they really mean is that they are using their money to put human labor to work, paying workers less in wages than they produce in sales. That's how money grows. Capital annexes living labor in order to convert itself into goods and services that will produce still more capital
ckars 1 month ago
@ckars "Capitalists like to say they are putting their money to work, but money as such does not work."
Only someone who doesn't understand the way money actually operates, or Capitalism, or business in general would seriously spew this garbage.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
@ckars Recommended reading list for you, since you're a Socialist Retard (that's a redundancy)
"Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis", "Planned Chaos", and "Human Action: A Treatise on Economics" by Ludwig Von Mises. "How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes" by Peter Schiff. "The Anatomy of the State" by Murray Rothbard. "Economics in ONE Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. ANYTHING written by Frederic Bastiat. And, "Lessons for the Young Economist" by Robert Murphy.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
@TheManiacalSatanist6 That's not a redudancy, there are healthy minded people in socialist countries. There is a differnece between real literature and economic propaganda (all those books you have quoted are propaganda). But even a broken clock is right twice a day (Peter Schiff)
ckars 1 month ago
"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."
This is what the constitution says
ckars 1 month ago
@NatedogJr if your gonna to join in on a conversation of politics don't copy and paste words from website, just ruins the point of a discussion
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
...In state-oriented forms of market socialism, in which state enterprises attempt to maximise profit, the profits can be used to fund government programs and services through a social dividend, eliminating or greatly diminishing the need for various forms of taxation that exist in capitalist systems.
NatedogJr 1 month ago
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4. Market socialism: Market socialism consists of publicly owned or cooperatively owned enterprises operating in a market economy. It is a system that utilizes the market and monetary prices for the allocation and accounting of the means of production, thereby retaining the process of capital accumulation. The profit generated would be used to directly remunerate employees or finance public institutions....
NatedogJr 1 month ago
4. Market socialism: Market socialism consists of publicly owned or cooperatively owned enterprises operating in a market economy. It is a system that utilizes the market and monetary prices for the allocation and accounting of the means of production, thereby retaining the process of capital accumulation. The profit generated would be used to directly remunerate employees or finance public institutions....
NatedogJr 1 month ago
...in that micro-economic decision making, such as quantity to be produced and output requirements, are left to managers and workers in the state and cooperative enterprises rather than being mandated by a comprehensive economic plan from a centralised planning board. However, the state will plan long-term strategic investment and seek to coordinate at least some aspects of production. It is possible for a state-directed economy to have elements of both a market and planned economy.
NatedogJr 1 month ago
3. State-directed economy: A state-directed economy is a system where either the state or worker cooperatives own the means of production, but economic activity is directed to some degree by a government agency or planning ministry through coordinating mechanisms such as indicative planning and dirigisme. This differs from a centralized planned economy....
NatedogJr 1 month ago
2.Self-managed economy: A self-managed decentralized economy is based upon autonomous self-regulating economic actors and a decentralized mechanism of allocation and decision-making. A degree of self-management was practiced in the economic system of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which contrasts to the centralized planning of enterprises in Soviet-style planned economies.
NatedogJr 1 month ago
1. Planned economy: A planned economy combines public ownership of the means of production with centralised state planning. This model is usually associated with the centralised Soviet-style command economy. In a centrally planned economy, decisions regarding the quantity of goods and services to be produced are planned in advance by a planning agency.
NatedogJr 1 month ago
Should have read what all you guys said before I wrote my second pair of quotes because I think I just repeated what you guys have said :/ ha
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
Countries claim to be socialist and communist and capitalist but truly they are not, they just resemble the system so it's hard to say one system is the best because we don't have true examples of the three systems. But I still believe socialism is the most fair system but I'd admit I'd change the system a little so people would still have a monetary reason to come up with new products, for example the government would give a lump sum to the creator equal to the net worth of the product after a
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
True, their hasn't really been a communist country that I can think of but any true examples of the three economic systems are hard to find. For example America isn't completely capitalist, we are guided capitalists. But what I believe is if Americans gave socialism a chance they'd find out it isn't the evil force that we've been told to fear, was the ussr or Cuba trues communist no but are they true socialist? No
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
And to explain the difference between communist and socialist society's you have to look at the way that a class less society is obtained. In communism it is achieved by oppressing the upper class (which shows in north Korea) but in socialism it is achieved by reform and law change, this appears in Sweden but not entirely (to long to explain) so don't listen to the history books and the government because they demonizes socialist society's, open up your mind and think for yourself and then make
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
@theorginalhamburglar Sweden is truly not worthy of being pertaining to examples of socialist countries anymore. The current government is changing everything that the social democrats have built over the last century; the reason why we have stayed out of wars, done well in financial crisises and the reason why people in my country for the moment have good health care.
Yet again, all because the rich want even more...
Ichibaz 1 month ago
People don't want higher taxes because in a capitalist system that means less money to spend on over-priced goods but in a socialist country goods would be much cheaper so the high tax rate wouldn't be a factor and you wouldn't have to pay for schooling (including college) and health care. The problem is Americans are scared of socialism because of propaganda and the way communist (NOT SOCIALIST!) countries have treated their people
theorginalhamburglar 1 month ago
@theorginalhamburglar No, Communism the way Marx saw it (the only way it really matters) has never existed at all. Therefore the Soviet Union, Cuba, and Vietnam, ect. Are all Socialist. Also, healthcare and college is NOT freem it comes from tax dollars.
CyberTechWolf 1 month ago
@CyberTechWolf I think you should watch what you write... go look up the definition of socialism in a trustworthy source. Now consider how countries like Cuba and Vietnam are run and how it matches the definition... Then, can you truly look me in the eye and say that that definition is transferable to the events and conditions of the countries?
Ichibaz 1 month ago
@Ichibaz I mean, Communism the way Marx saw it has been misguided. I don't believe in Communism but Marx saw it as a stateless society in which the people own the emans of production. Those countires are controlled by a strong centalized government, not the people. So Communism the way Marx saw it has never existed, and as the father of the idea I think his opinion is far more important than any website's.
CyberTechWolf 1 month ago
@CyberTechWolf And perhaps you should look up what a Free Market Capitalist society really is. Cause I can tell you America is NOT capitalist, we are corporatist. Learn the difference.
CyberTechWolf 1 month ago
@CyberTechWolf This is excactly what I mean! There has never existed a communist country because non of the coutries that have ever existed have fit the definition that marx created. What I, (and you) am trying to say is that the only communism that has only existed is the one form the guy who came up with the idea; marx. Countries today that calll themselves communist have no right to do so!
Ichibaz 1 month ago
@Ichibaz Correct, I may not be a Marxist but I will agree with any Marxist there. His idea of what Communism really is has never existed.
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@theorginalhamburglar I completely agree with up to the point where you write "the way communist (NOT SOCIALIST!) countries have treated their people". Think about it, has there ever existed a communist country? If you believe so, please do give examples:)
Ichibaz 1 month ago
Think the main reason why people would rather have budget cuts and a smaller government, is because they feel that taxes are already high as it is and feel that they are receiving a smaller and smaller portion of their earnings each year. In a socialist country, there would not be this problem if the government is the one that gives the people their actual deserved amount, instead of this bureaucratic method of taxing.
InterlockingGs 1 month ago
Ok seriously. Its obvious that all countries that have ever attempted this "free market" thing have ended up way worse then those who choose not to, and choose to actively regulate and tax their industry, and provide public benefits. PERIOD.
gulbirk 1 month ago
Iceland, Faroe Islands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark. (The Nordic countries) have been living in Social Democracy/Socialistic societies for a long time, and we are pretty successful i would say. Together we have the lowest crime rate in the world. We are the richest countries in the world per.capita. We have the highest living standards, free education "with pay", and healthcare. Our left wing clearly states: Healthy economy is when there is a balance between growth and equality. Smile:)
TheFaroedane 1 month ago
@TheFaroedane And no public debt.
You guys managed to combine the best of capitalism (economic dynamism and freedom, wealth creation, prosperity) and socialism (equity, decent living standard for everyone, high quality universal education and health care). It is possible.
luizcadu 1 month ago
@TheFaroedane I'm from Sweden, and I definately agree that this has in the majority of cases been true. However, I'm sad to say that Sweden is currently on the virge of becoming less and less "socialist" (as defined by social democrats) with out current government being in favour of capitalism and is currently only creating larger diferences between the people. I hope that they will be stopped, or else we'll be just like the USA:(
Ichibaz 1 month ago
@Ichibaz I know you have a right wing at the moment, but i hope it will shift the next election. I am from the Faeroe Islands, and we also have a capitalistic government at the moment, but i believe it will change again the next election... Last night i dreamed that socialism was not tomorrow, but a part of the future society when humans had realized, the benefits of solidarity as a part of human development and process.. Remember even dough you have a right wing, it is still social Democracy :)
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Oh. and by the way, how the hell did this bimbo become director of research analysis? My biggest problem with the media is that they insist on airing these "experts" and political analysts who can do nothing more than cite statistical data. Their capacity for logic and reason is practically non-existent. It's no wonder the people who watch the news are so stupid.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
I think people are starting to realize, slowly but surely, that Socialism in all of it's forms is doomed to fail. It simply can NOT work.
For a true expo on Socialism, read "Socialism: a Economic and Sociological Analysis" by Ludwig Von Mises.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
@TheManiacalSatanist6 And capitalism is working? LMAO ok dude like I said, most of the world is capitalist. Sounds like you need to travel more often. If you do, tell me how most of the world is doing under capitalism. That's your indicator, not the crap you hear on Fox news.
ckars 1 month ago
@ckars I don't watch Fox News.
Fail Socialist Propaganda is Fail. 'Nuff said.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
@TheManiacalSatanist6 Sorry I meant Fox Business Channel
ckars 1 month ago
@ckars I don't watch Fox Business Channel either. Sorry. You fail yet again.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
@TheManiacalSatanist6 SURE YOU DON'T
ckars 1 month ago
@ckars I don't. The only media I watch is the occasional YouTube clip, whether it comes from Fox or some other network is irrelevant. I listen to the Peter Schiff show, and I watch and listen to Mises Media. That's it.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
@TheManiacalSatanist6 "Whether it comes from Fox or some other network is irrelevant". Nope it is relevant- Example: GE ownes NBC, so when the earthquake happen in Japan, and some were debating the safety of nuclear power, do you think a company like GE would have a company it owns air an unbiased report on the safety and efficacy of Nuclear power? I don't think so...
ckars 1 month ago
@ckars "Nope it is relevant- Example:"
Your example is also irrelevant, especially considering I never take the media at face value.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
@TheManiacalSatanist6 "A true expo on Socialism" written by a inherently wealthy Austrian who never worked a day in his 92 year life LOL
ckars 1 month ago
@ckars Who never worked a day in his life? Are you serious? Are you fucking kidding me? That dude did more in his life time than you and I could do in 20 of ours COMBINED!
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
@TheManiacalSatanist6 Speak for yourself,again you don't know me to make unsubstantiated claims
ckars 1 month ago
@ckars I know enough about Mises to know that some idiot on the internet, *myself included* isn't going to come close to doing half of what that man did. So, no, my claims are NOT unsubstantiated. Very few people have accomplished the things that Mises did. You are NOT going to even come within a fraction of it.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 month ago
It is pretty obvous of the amount of ignorance on the forums of this video. You do not realize the horrors of communism/socialism. GOOGLE "NORTH KOREA" OR "SOVIETY UNION" "CUBA GIVING UP COMMUNISM" fucking idiots. Socialism/communism is FAILED SYSTEM!!!!! we need pure capitalism. END ALL WELFARE! Stop regulating businesses, ITS KILLING JOBS! End the min wage, end all these "no child labor" crap, if the child wants to work let him.
Scattnam 1 month ago
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Socialism is basically communism, they both take away our rights as human beings, we are deprived of the right to speak out against the government. We both own no property under a communist AKA socialist society! Fuck Liberals when will you get it through your head. SOCIALISM DOESNT WORK ITS BASICALLY TOTALTARIANISM! SOVIET UNION SOCIALIST NORTH KOREA IS SOCIALIST AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAD GONE THROUGH EXPLAIN TO ME WHY CUBA IS BECOMMING LESS SOCIALIST SOCIALIST ARE FUCKTARDS
Scattnam 1 month ago
I love how she keeps laughing but hes being serious, she is being close minded.
auroraionaa 1 month ago
lol socialism isnt bad and never has been..... a totaltarian dictatorship is bad and was what was bad about the cccp and nazi germany and fascious italy so... wtf r yall talking bout????
that242GUY 1 month ago
@that242GUY hey clueless fucktard, get a clue will ya? when will you libtards ever learn. Socialism COMMUNISM DOES NOT WORK! DO SOME RESEACH STOP WATCHING FUCKING MSNBC!
Scattnam 1 month ago
"dont question the data, just listen to what i say" riiight.
jawbone83 1 month ago
I like this host. He lets everyone speak.
stealx97 1 month ago
We don't have capitalism we have a kleptocracy of bankers and their cronies deciding that their huge gambles that failed (many knew they were going to fail) should be passed on to everyone else. That isn't capitalism, that's bailouts for the rich. Where was everyone else's bailouts?
theindiekidable 1 month ago
News flash... income disperity will never decrease under this capitalist system. Americans are blissfully ignorant about what socialism really is. People are so accustomed to living their independent little lives, pretending that they're self sufficient, that they're terrified of anything that requires cooperation. They're afraid they'll all be herded into some Stalinist collective.
prschuster 1 month ago
capitalism with social policies work better.
elchippe 2 months ago
Capitalism with social policies work better.
elchippe 2 months ago
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TO ALL SOCIALIST COMRADES, you are the people that believe not only in socialism. but in mankind, its people like you that will bring the world to a new age of peace and prosperity , each day more and more people realize that the we are working to make the rich even richer that many are working for the few.96% of the wealth of the world is owned by 1% of the people, just imagine if they gave up just half of their wealth, poverty would cease to exist.
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spiritofrock1 2 months ago
North Korea the ultimate example of socialism
or2169 2 months ago
@or2169 Lolno.
FishLandBug 2 months ago
@or2169 I see you couldn't afford education. Thank capitalism.
fetmabebis 2 months ago
@or2169 North Korea is the ultimate example of a one man dictatorship. To mistake that for socialism, where people democratically & cooperatively own and manage their institutions, is a typically ignorant misrepresentation. What we have now in the US is bordering on a corporate state where corporations are hijacking our democracy.
prschuster 1 month ago
@or2169
Sierra Leone the ultimate exemple of capitalism
Freez57fr 1 month ago
@Freez57fr Sierra Leone is Fascist. It is capitalism at it apex. Upton Sinclair, a well known American author, once said: Fascism is capitalism + Murder. If Capitalism isn't well regulated, if not eliminated, it has a tendency to morph in to this most viral form.
ckars 1 month ago
there is differt types of socialism capialism does ot work because people.. oly thig they care about is moey
MrTri497 2 months ago
I had to get the heck out of Cuba because their system has never worked and will never work. Having people like that guy in the U.S who haven't lived in socialism and yet with all of their screaming try to push the system into this nation, gives me the creeps. The idea of socialism getting to the United States and having to deal with it a second time in my life simply scares the hell out of me.
llanesyasmani 2 months ago
@llanesyasmani do you live in a socialist nation no oh well then how do you know. Sweden is a Social Democracy a nation built around democracy and charing wealth in the us it's no longer capitalism witch rule but korroption in large scale think
deadline93 2 months ago
@deadline93 Did you even slow down and read what I said. I lived half my life in Cuba. Is that enough?
llanesyasmani 2 months ago
@llanesyasmani hahahahaha cuba is a blody dictaorship no socialist nation has bine created thrue revolotion. Plus it's a communist dictoarship. You migth have lived in cuba but have you lived in a real democracy with socialism. Nopr well then hope on over to the nordic nations.
deadline93 2 months ago
@deadline93 Remember, socialism or capitalism is nothing more than an economic system, it has nothing to do with a dictatorial government. Cuba had a dictatorship before Fidel Castro with Fulgencio Batista but in a capitalist system, and yet became the diamond of the Caribbean, Castro came along with his communist dictatorship and in less than 5 years the island became the hell of the Caribbean.
llanesyasmani 2 months ago
@llanesyasmani you meen a blod dimond. Castro dont have my support but its no supprise he killed of the government. they wear a blody killing machin replace by another. And that blockad aint helping the pepol ethier
deadline93 1 month ago
@deadline93 becuse sweden has had nearly 50 years of Social Democratic rule 30 years of those nonstop same party. Second charing wealth is part of socialism however it's an indevor to make everyone eqal. And in the US lobbing in large scale leeds to korruption. The us has never bin a capitalistic nation cuse pepol don't starve in the streets. Capitalism is also a broad name cuse socialst nations use State Capitalism.
deadline93 2 months ago
@llanesyasmani I've lived in American poverty and had a sister die for lack of healthcare. socialism doesn't work, but neither does capitalism as we know it today. Social Democracy is the answer.
mysticresistence 2 months ago
@mysticresistence You had a sister who died due to a lack of healthcare in the US? Interesting, I am dying to know more about your story. What happened exactly? Give me the details.
llanesyasmani 2 months ago
@llanesyasmani She died of Kidney failure. She had a pre-existing condition so when she got a job she was denied healthcare but made too much at the job to qualify for medicaid. Catholic Charities helped out but they had a big budget issue closed down branches, which meant she had nowhere to go. She was looking for another charity when she got sick and died. If she had comprehensive healthcare, she would have lived. That would have never happened in Denmark.
mysticresistence 2 months ago
@mysticresistence thats what we have now, social democracy
saberur66 1 month ago
@saberur66 No, what he have in America is another corporate tool of a president who passes ridiculous laws...like that healthcare crap. It says that we HAVE TO buy healthcare from PRIVATE COMPANIES. WTF? If it was government funding of people who can then go to a private doctor, I could say, but not Obama care. What we have in the USA is socialism for the rich and corporations.
mysticresistence 1 month ago
@mysticresistence which, is democractic socialism, or social democracy. it is also called corporatism
saberur66 1 month ago
@saberur66 Social Democracy is a system of balance between capitalism and socialism. In social democracy, taxes exist with the expressed purpose of distributing wealth to the working & lower classes in the form of services, while still allowing the wealthy to keep most of their earnings. America has a few "here, now shut up" programs like medicaid, which are a bureaucratic & don't work. We need a reformed system & a new, better tax code.
mysticresistence 1 month ago
@mysticresistence What about Democratic Socialism, Market Socialism, and State Socialism, and Social Capitalism.
NatedogJr 1 month ago
@mysticresistence Sorry for your loss. What we need is single payer health care ie medicare for all. Support HR 686. It was written by Rep. John Conyers(MI) and co sponsored by Rep. Dennis Kucinich(OH)
ckars 1 month ago
@llanesyasmani
Are you just stupid? (well you're American, and you just show that American is synonym of stupid)
Can't you make the difference between communism and social democracy?
The UK looks like Cuba because socialists were in office from 1997 to 2010? Tony Blair, Mitterand, Schroeder looks like Castro??? France looks like Cuba because socialists have been in office 20 years since 1970 (and probably 2012) Germany looks like Cuba? Sweden, Belgium, Japan, Italy, Spain???
Freez57fr 1 month ago
So Germany, Japan, France, Italy, the UK, etc... looks like communist dictatures because they are ruled, have been ruled and will be ruled by socialists?
Do you know what is social democracy?
The USA is the only "democracy" with no social democrat party.
Not surprising you're the only country without free healthcare, with a middleclass fucked in the ass more and more every day and asking for more.
The Americans like to be fucked, even when they are paid 5$/hour, that's an evidence.
Freez57fr 1 month ago
So when you'll have real arguments, and not stupid comments just making the Americans look stupid like "Cuba is a socialist country".
Just learn to make the difference between social democracy (British Labour Party, French socialist party, SDP of Germany, Spanish socialist's workers party, etc.. which are in office half of the time in these countries) and the USSR, Cuba and communist dictatures.
All your problem is a problem of VOCABULARY.
Freez57fr 1 month ago
@Freez57fr LOL SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY! you are a fucking idiot there is no such thing. Soviety union North Korea are they DEMOCRACIES!!?? DUMBFUCK YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!
Scattnam 1 month ago
@Scattnam
It seems you didn't understand my comment. Not surprising you're only a retarded American...
Freez57fr 1 month ago
@Freez57fr
lol anybody can just move from an outside country and become an 'american', retarded french guy. even you can become one.
Scattnam 1 month ago
@Freez57fr I am American and unfortunately you are corect. American people are so dumb they still believe the official fairy tales of The JFK assasination and 9/11. I would not waste too much time talking to Americans.
ckars 1 month ago
@ckars If you didn't know the Federal Reserve Bank is Not Federal, Not a Reserve nor is it a Bank. As for printing money the government is involved. It wasn't till Obama became President till the printing of US currency became out of control. If it doesn't get under control soon China will no longer accept our dollar and turn it in for gold. When that happens we're F*CKED. The dollar would hit it's true value of $0.00. Try buying something with Monopoly Money.
lifeforce218 2 months ago
@lifeforce218 What Federal Reserve really means is "Lender at last resort". It is supposed to be reserved for the Federal Government in case it needs a loan. But money and debt are one in the same. No debt, no money! The government itself doesn't print the money. They have to print up some fancy paper document called a treasury bill and send it to Mister Bernanke, who then issues the loan to the US Treasury. The loan is secured by the income tax which took effect in 1916
ckars 2 months ago
@lifeforce218 BTW The Federal Reserve is a bank! It is known as "The Central Bank". And no it wasn't until both LBJ and Nixon that it got out of control. Because of The Guns and Butter of the 60's and early 70's the dollar lost 22 % of its purchasing power. Then Nixon ended the Brenten Woods Gold Standard in 1971 which was known as "The Nixon Shock". Believe me, I know much more history than you could imagine. As for Obama, I don't care for him.
ckars 2 months ago
@lifeforce218 That is just scare tactics used by speculators. If China rejects the dollar it would mean "Mutual Economic Destruction". As it is nation states do not control economies. The purse strings are controlled by a power behind the scenes. Some call it deep politics. some call it the illumanatti, many of them are in the Bildeberg Group. Whatever it is, it's still "PRIVATE" interests controlling everything
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars Good for your friends starting successful businesses in a socialist country. What I've read about socialism on a socialist website that their employees basically equally own that business. My business I own, but I share the same opportunity to others, they have the same opportunity to own there own business
lifeforce218 2 months ago
Anyone who doesn't think pure capitalism doesn't work is a authoritarian piece of fucking shit. The idea is to punish the successful JUST BECAUSE you are jealous and give it to the deadbeats. We need a purely capitalist society.
Socialism DOES NOT WORK! ALL it does is force people into slave camps.
Scattnam 2 months ago
@tehatemachine How did Indonesia benefit? Or El Salvador? Or Various African Countries? What about Haiti? The US Corporate Empire, In our name, fuckes up all these countries on purpose. Who do you think destablizes these countries? Get that Red, white and blue dick out of you mouth. It not for democracy, It's creating fertile ground for corporate exploitation!!
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine Have you ever lived in the USSR? The answer is probable NO Shithead! Other countries governments make decisions for the same reasons ours does. Corporations control the world thru NGO's like The WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and on and on. Only US Corporations and a handful of elites and government officials benefit. Not the people of those countries. If a leader stands up to the corporate cartels, they find themselves assasinated, or at the very least, overthrown.
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars Corporations wouldn't be a fucking problem if they didn't team up with the GOVERNMENT, Their only means of survival would be them having to compete. Obviously you don't know a smidgen of what you are talking about and i implore you to go read books on economics.
tehatemachine 2 months ago
@tehatemachine If the government ruled the corporations like they rule the peasants then sure, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about the status quo, which is that corporations and the government have teamed up to one degree or another throughtout history. I don't know what I'm talking about lol oh you got me.... try again. I have read many books including milton friedman books and attended the same business school Mitt Romney and you hero GW Bush did cont.
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars Wow I look up to you man, You atended a buisiness school! You are now the hero of the internet.
"Corporations by nature are monopolistic" I'm not fully disagreeing to that, But towards your extent of being extreme about it. I will, Some have becoming monopolistic. But like Friedman explained. Most became that way by the help of the government.
tehatemachine 2 months ago
@tehatemachine I didn't ask you to look up to me.I was responding to your assumption that I don't know a smidget about what I am talking about. You made a charge that I didn't know much about economics, so I provided evidence to counter your baseless accusation. Thats all. In addition,capitalism itself is an economic system with racism and classism built into it. Like keep saying, The corporations are the government. Marx once said that if you run the means of production you control society
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine Capitalism doesn't work, Period. Trying to polish a lump of human excrement dosen't change the fact that it is excrement! BTW even thouogh Friedman wasnt "Technically" Part of the government, he was very instrumental in shaping Reagan's economic policies. So, to say that it's not corporations or capitalism, but the government is just semantics. People such as myself have to be extreme, otherwise we will lose our country for good!
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars I really wish you died. Fucking traitor.
Scattnam 2 months ago
@Scattnam I don't care what you wish for. What you wish for doesn't really matter.
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars "Capitalism doesn't work, Period. " Show me one system that DOESN'T have capitalism, No capitalism means no society amateur. If the people aren't controlling the capital then the government would. Capitalism will exist until there are no humans.
"he was very instrumental in shaping Reagan's economic policies." Of course and Reagan did an excellent job with some of friedmans ideas. Look at Chile, ha apparently you are just mad because you couldn't find a blot on his shield
tehatemachine 2 months ago
@tehatemachine I will if you show me one system that doesn't have socialism! "If the people aren't controlling the capital the government would". OK Einstein, In a nation supposedly governed by government of, by and for the "people" who do you think is in the government? Yes People. And sorry, under Reagan, The national debt doubled under Reaganomics
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars 6 comments with TL;DR shit truly shows how mad You are, Though I understand you opinion. You problem is that you have a problem with anyone that disagrees with you. Under Reagan More minority's out of anyother president came out of poverty. You are discussing bad policy that finally took it's tole 1 decade before Reagan. You don't understand that every thing has long term effects
tehatemachine 2 months ago
@tehatemachine I am not mad, Just want equal oportunity for all. Capitalism doesn't provide that. I don't have any problem. You just don't like debate. Debate is healthy, but accusations against people that disagree with you are unfounded. I am not mad at you or anybody else, You are just creating a strawman. Under Reagan, the so called minorities came out of poverty because of the amnesty program that created a new economic class. Black wages and employment went down under Reagan.
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine Sorry but even if I take you claim about Reagan as truth, It doesn't go beyond LBJ's war on poverty which cut the poverty rate in half and reduced by 40 % the poverty rate for minorities. Again another so called Reaganite being loose with the information.
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine Another fact about the Reagan Years is that The adjustment made to the Federal Poverty Guidelines did not run commersurate with the rise in inflation. In other words even those that supposedly came out of poverty didn't if you take the real cost of living into account. You can find all of this out on your own and I challenge you to do so.
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars "it doesn't mean that because a society uses capital that it is by default capitalistic" Every society has Capitalism, You are defining capitalism as a system with Mostly negative effects.WHICH IS NOT TRUE. it can be beneficial to a large majority or non beneficial. Again you are with painting everything black and white.
tehatemachine 2 months ago
@tehatemachine Under Reagan, 1 % of the population went from owning 21 % of overall wealth to 39 % of overall wealth also known as the largest transfer of wealth up to that point in history. In order for the unemployment rate to remain below 10 %, Reagan included military personal as part of overall employment. First time any president did that. "Look at Chile" sure Chile is a banana republic. Just ask some people who actually live there. Want some more facts about Reagan?
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine Every system has "Capital". And just because a country has capital doesn't make it Capitalistic. Under capitalism, the capital is accumulated into the hands of the few while the rest fight over the crums. You can argue all you want about what you think capitalism means, however it is capitalism that got the entire world into the brink of disaster, not socialism. Like the saying goes "The Proof Is In The Pudding"
ckars 2 months ago
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@ckars "Under capitalism the capital is accumulated into the hands of the few while the rest fight over the crums. " " capitalism with government intervention of without doubt. Or Better yet state controlled like the former USSR and DPROK.
Defiantly not in the US YOU go an LOOK at other countries that do have what you are describing, And in all of those you will find a dictatorship whos state controls all capital. the DPROK.
tehatemachine 2 months ago
@ckars Is what you really want? Fine then go move the the DPROK. And don't try to sway that shit on to another topic you slippery fucking snake. people like you always change your tactics and victimize your self while slurring evidence. A BIG fat blot on your scutcheon it is. You take to much for granted.
tehatemachine 2 months ago
@tehatemachine "Slippery Fucking Snake". Oh just like most Youtube losers-When you lose a debate, start using epithets. Unfortunately your ignorance will lead to everybodys economic destruction, including your own. You really underestimate the danger ignorant people like you pose. Why don't you apply for Fix News, maybe they can use the pro fascist crap you spew
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars according to You, you've only win a debate when you told yourself that you won.
"maybe they can use the pro fascist crap you spew" YOU ARE A FASCIST! you oppose free market and free trade! go ahead and go do good for others by deciding for them. That's the exact component that creates fascism. and the more you believe yourself the more harm you will cause.
tehatemachine 2 months ago
@tehatemachine There is no such thing as a free market! There is no absolute defiinition. Besides, in a free market, those who are economically entrenched will benefit the most, therefore it would be a free plunder. I believe in fair trade not "Free Trade". Free trade is just a con game that fools like you believe in. You don't even know what fascism is. You can't even counter the facts I gave you with honest rebuttals, so you call the kettle black. Nice try TE try again
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine Whenever the other person in a debate starts using epithets, that is a tell tale sign of one who has lost! I don't have to tell you you've lost, you have shot yourself in the foot TE. Just think, I give you specifics, and you just counter with name calling. And a Fascist calling another person a fascist! Thats funny and not original. Right wing zealots have been doing that for years. There is no such thing as free trade or free markets! That's just a con game
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine It's just a con game you and your pro fascist use. I emplore "Fair Trade" and "Fair Markets" which is a socialistic model. Like I said, I challenge you to look up the numbers I gave you, and lets see if you can give me some reliable, well sourced numbers for the claims you make about your Right Wind Heroes?
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine I didn't slur any evidence. Would you like me to provide sources for my information? "Slippery Fucking Snake" . Oh I see, every time someone starts losing a debate they resort to epithets. Nice job TE. BTW I don't get mad at people who disagree with me, I just debate them. Debate is healthy to a real democracy. Why don't you apply for Fix News. They could probably use a pro fascist schill like yourself spewing that crap!
ckars 2 months ago
@ckars Sorry in advance for the spliced comments, There is a problem with youtube.
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine I think you're confused. Although capital is the root word of capitalism, it doesn't mean that because a society uses capital that it is by default capitalistic. How many times do I have to tell you man, capitalism is an economic system that concentrated the majority of capital in to the hands of the few. If you had genuine competition then by definition it wouldn't be capitalism.
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine You are creating the bogeyman just like Joseph McCarthy. Its not socialism thats causing these problems, but fascism. You're a Tea bagger aren't you? That would explain you lack of understanding on economics!
ckars 2 months ago
@tehatemachine Corporations by nature are monopolistic.They are organizational devices for the exploitation of labor and the accumulation of capital. Books on economic are written by people who have their own philosophy on how economics should work, same as law. That is why many faculty departments are named after them. What you are talking about is indoctrination. But carry on with your books and self indoctrination. Why don't you look up John Perkins and get some perspective
ckars 2 months ago