The whole thing comes down to the fact that the sexual abstinence can be dangerous for men. After all, the expression "jerks"or "wankers" has some special meaning for some men.
We should decriminalize —— not legalize. ¿Have you hard about red states regulating abortion-clinics in such a way that they cannot operate? The prudes, if legalized, could write regulations in such as way that it is not possible to for a bunch of women, liking sex, to set up a bordello as a co-op.
In Nevada, the people who have bordellos have lobbied the legislature so that the regulation make it almost impossible for new competitors to open.
The funny thing about the religious brigade is: how they promote slavery, belittling and controlling women, rape and violence and bigotry, but want to take a "moral" stand on anything, much less prostitution. Which is the oldest and longest running occupation, even before the "jesus" thing happened. Funny how they turn their feelings around once they think their god dropped his son in their laps to baby sit them.
god is your nature... your nature tell you its wrong... you know when you are doing something wrong you feel that uneasiness thats god child......we are living in a world were sin is seen as a neutral act where by anybody can just intellectualize and rationalize anything to jusitfy there views.... thats trick of the devil aka satan...'m not a bible thumper .... but this world is a modern sodom and gomor perhaps even worst... no women on the averae can sell her body and feel good about doing it
So long as the principal of non-initiation of force is obeyed and the act is between two consent adults, what is wrong with prostitution?
Nothing as far as I can tell, other than it offends some people. I couldn't care less if some people get offended. I would rather have freedom and liberty.
its wrong and only because god said its wrong,He is the standard for all of man kind ever one fall short of his will: but, still its wrong because he said its wrong take it or leave it. thats why is in the shape its in right now
@MrSteven2945 "its wrong and only because god said its wrong." Luckily, we live in a secular country and don't base our laws on your personal religious convictions.
@MrSteven2945 So you would be ok with slavery then? Murdering your children when they misbehave? Murdering everyone who is not a member of your religion, they're whole family, friends and city and raping their women? Forcing rape victims to marry their rapist? Murdering women who have sex before marriage? Murdering homosexuals? Murdering anyone who says something disrespectful about your religion? Don't preach one verse of your book and ignore the rest of it. Ignore all of it.
You're wasting your time, using logical arguments when talking with religious people. Religion is designed specifically to contradict logic and observation.
@RaccoltaDeAgony You didn't answer my question, why do you believe it's unethical? Nasty I can agree with, in the case of your low-down streetwalker or being number who-knows-what in her service line. The utter lack of romance or connection makes it something that doesn't interest me in the least. But assuming she's clean, healthy and doesn't rob the guy, what ethical offense? If your sense of ethics didn't come from being raised in a religious environment, then I apologize. But I bet it did.
@Cowcharge haha yeah u and ur mom probably worked as hooker so maybe thats why u find it so appealing at support it. I answered ur question and since u are near incompetent I will point out where i answered the question. And its when i said its bad qualities to show kids. And most likely u would be a rapist ,murderer ,and child molester if we didnt have laws like that already in place cause not only are u incompetent u seen to be primitive and want to live with no self control.
@RaccoltaDeAgony When you're absolutely lost in an argument, switch to insults. Standard tactics for 11 year-olds on YouTube, LOL. Go watch Twilight for the 47th time or something. I'm outta here.
@Cowcharge i'm just throwing them back ur way kid so dont get mad. And just coz ur in that line of work and watch twilight dont project what u do onto me or others. So did acting like a 11 yr old work out for ya?
@Cowcharge its bad values to show to young kids esp girls! Also they may be a ready available source to underage boys & potentially make males sex addicts if their able to buy it all the time like that! But what if they buy it so much & dont have the money til they get payed again? or what if homeless males with no money want it? it could lead to rape & not just of the hoes.& what if the supply of used up loose hookers dont suffice & they start using underage girls that may or may not consented?
I think we should legalize, regulate it and tax it. It would become a safer occupation for those inclined, there would be work guidelines to protect the women and their clients, and there would be revenue to help with government programs. It's quite possibly the worlds oldest tradition it is about time we move out of the dark ages and acknowledge it. On a side note, other ape species practice prostitution, it is highly likely it has been practiced long before we evolved into homo sapien.
Yup! This country is FULL of contradictions! They have been after Roe v Wade for decades now, another puritanical witch hunt! We live with blinders on most of the time. Check this video out on another subject that needs real change...
lasttime i checked street walkers didn't wash your dirty underwear and help your kid with their homework, but if thats all your mom did was give your dad sex for money then you must have been raised by wild racoons.
Where is the gauge of morality? Who says what is right and wrong? What gauge of measure does one use to determine what is right or wrong? Does government determine what it? Does the individual?
This video discredits the spread of STDs yet it is at epidemic proportions. 300,000 people in the US alone get a STD every year. Millions will die from STDs world wide just this year. She states the use of condoms yet all major porn industries state they do not use condoms. btw, there not full proof
@MrBuster128 The video is about prostitution. Not sure why you're bringing up porn. Yes, STD's are a problem. But in the legal brothels of Nevada, there is statistically less STD contraction then among the general population, no doubt due to enforced condom usage and regular check ups.
@MissTemperence Porn is a lot like prostitution, is it not? Only differnece is there is a cammera and it is more controled and viewed by others. I asked several questions that you did not responded to. I would like to know your thoughts on them. thanks for your time and response.
@MissTemperence Germany has legal prostitution where they are provided healthcare, condoms and a building to work from. Other countries have got along just fine, seems the U.S. is being the times yet again.
Also legalizing prostitution in America would create legal competition for the pimps and traffickers. I could see them saying no solicitation on street corners and in front of schools and businesses. How they do in Canada and UK would be fine for America. In those countries the exchange of sex for money is legal. But you must be discreet about it. You could put an ad online and in the paper.
Either Budda or the Tao said when you create many laws, you make the people criminals. So, so true. Pot's illegal, but I can go buy alcohol that will make me temporarily insane. Let it go Big Brother!!! We're not stupid or ignorant, stupid prohibitions just makes us hate the government more than we would anyway.
The reason that morality cannot be legislated is not because morality is relative, it is because legislators do not have any incentive to find the correct moral rules. Prostitution should be legal because making it illegal is worse for those who engage in it than making it legal and regulated.
I'm glad you used George Carlin's clip. I was thinking about it all the while you gave your argument against the prohibition of prostitution. Perhaps if it was legal, some of these creepy bastards of the Catholic Church would have gone out in pursuit of some fun with an adult female, and not a 12 year old boy. I've seen a few of your vids, you're bright. But, I saw where you had some problems with a freak. Be careful, I wouldn't mention your state of residence online. Just to be safe, ya know.
there is a huge problem with sex trafficing there are more women and kids used as sex slaves then there were in america when slavery was legal. In Italy prostitution is legal but all the women are owned the women can only speak their native language and are illegal. This is because the demand for sex is higher than the amount of women willing to sell themselves therefore men kidnap, rape, and drug impoverished women. In a perfect world with no sex traffickers I wouldnt care about prostitution.
@FernandoTorrera Most studies regarding trafficked people do not distinguish between people who are actually forced into something, and people who have chosen to work in another country of their own accord. Any sex worker found working outside of their own country is considered "trafficked." Rather misleading, huh?
@MissTemperence slavers promise girls a high paying job by sneaking them into another country they willingly go even so they are still trafficked. Just like a coyote trafficks illegals. where I live its legal to be a prostitute we have violent pimps outside of my apartment was a slave with her face beaten like hamburger meat I couldnt do anything because the pimps will torture and kill you. a priest who helped prostitutes escape from pimps now has to go into hiding cause pimps want him dead.
@FernandoTorrera And then there are also sex workers who travel of their own accord to work in other countries for a number of reasons. But according to the definition of "trafficked person" in most of these studies, these people are also included. Despite not being enslaved or coerced at all. Your post doesn't address my point at all.
@MissTemperence If anyone is entered into a country illegally that is trafficking. There are many different kinds of trafficking. Like the coyotes trafficking latinos. I have never seen statistics that include legal immigrants going through the process on their own being included. Even if they did include those people the amount of women enslaved is mind boggling this isnt some small problem. Again if the world was rosy and pimps went extinct I wouldnt care if a woman prostituted of her will
@FernandoTorrera A person entering another country of their own accord to illegally work there is an entirely different problem than a person being enslaved. The two issues should not be conflated, but that is what is happening. That means these statistics do not adequately reflect the number of women being "enslaved."
@MissTemperence statistics for trafficking includes all forms of trafficking. On anti-slavery websites they make it pretty clear they use statistics of sex slave trafficking which is a kind of trafficking and not just a statistic of trafficking. I dont know why you mentioned trafficking statistics which is a broader scope than just enslaved people.
@FernandoTorrera "statistics for trafficking includes all forms of trafficking" Including those that don't involve any enslavement at all. Hence, they do not reveal how many women are enslaved. Yes, I'm sure many sights are claiming that the data is all relevant to sex slaves, but when you read the details of the study, and the definition of "Trafficked," you usually see that's not the case. One need not be enslaved at all to be considered "trafficked"
@MissTemperence Im going to repost my stance. Where I live prostitution is legal however the mafia and pimps are thriving. The women are illegal and you cant help them because they dont understand your language and you could be shot. All the women are from impoverished countries the few consenting Italian women dont fulfill the demand. Simply legalizing just makes the mafias prostitutes legal. There needs to be a brutal attack on the mafia before legalizing so only honest people prostitute.
@AEVautomatic So, in prostitution, who is taking advantage of who? Is the John taking advantage of the prostitutes need for money? Or is she taking advantage of his need for sex?
@MissTemperence The hooker is always taking advantage of the male. It is not possible to get money for sex and be the victim. Clearly when you sell something that has 0$ cash value like sex) for 100$+ an hour you are taking advantage of someone. That is why they are called hookers.
@AEVautomatic How can you say sex has $0 cash value? If people are selling it, it clearly does. And actually, they are called hookers in reference to an area in New York in the 19th century referred to as Corlear's Hook, or "the hook." To turn the tables on your point, how is it possible to be a victim by choosing to pay for an elective service? You have no inherent right to have sex with anyone.
@MissTemperence It has 0$ cash value because its not worth paying any money for. People can only sell it because of male hormones (powerful drugs)that create the illusion of needing/wanting something that they do not need and should not want. People buy sex because of a precieved value that does not exist objectivley. It is easy to be taken advantage of for paying for an elective service. Lets say that someone is trapped in a hole. Lets say that people throw him bananas and water to dance.
@MissTemperence and no one helps him out. Then they charge hime 57,000$ to throw him a rope so he can get out of the hole (a low end price comparison to 100$ an hour for sex.) It seems to me that this person would have been taken advantage of for an elective service. "people don't have the right to have sex with anyone" Again a person stuck in a hole does not have the right to a rope. However, it would still be unethical not to throw the person a rope, for free.
@AEVautomatic (part 2) "The problem is that you have no concept of fairness or equality. " You are not entitled to "equal access" to other people's bodies. To suggest otherwise is to advocate for slavery. You can't say the word "hooker" now suddenly has nothing to do with it's established origins because you would prefer a different story that fits your personal ideology. Sorry.
@AEVautomatic We all do that to people all day. Do you go to a restaurant and look at your server, wonder about their hopes and dreams and fears? Try to ge to know them as someone you may potentially want in your life long term? Probably not. You probably just see them as a means to food, your bank teller as a means to your money, etc. If ou want a relationship, put in the time and effort that dating requires instead of cmplaining about people who are not looking for that with eachother.
@MissTemperence I don't know what you are talking about. I think the bank teller can see who is someone who sees them as having value and someone who just wants to use them for their own benefit. I have no idea what the rest of your text is refering to. Why are you attacking me and claiming to know how I feel or how much time and effort I put into dateing? You don't know any of that and even if you did its totally irrelevant.
@AEVautomatic Why do you assume the bank teller sees you as someone of value and the prostitute does not? After all, you are the same thing to a prostitute and a bank teller- a customer. My point is YOU are using the bank teller for your own benefit in this scenario. She is a means and not an end. You get your cash and leave and likely never think of him/her again. And there's nothing wrong with that.
@MissTemperence Well, I don't see the economic system we have as being some standard of morality; it is based on egoism so it is flawed. Your view seems to be based on cultural relativism. Since I am not a cultural relativist I see no force whatsoever to your argument. However I would not use a service where the employee is not paid or subject to untenable working conditions. All of your arguments against me personally so far are false.
@AEVautomatic I agree there are a lot of complaints to be made about capitalism. It certainly is not a standard of morality, no. There are good arguments to be made that it is an immoral system in many ways. But it sounds like that's what your criticism is of- capitalism. In that case, I see no reason to go after certain professions and not others. Why is a prostitute and abuser while a roofer, or a food cart vendor, is not?
@MissTemperence Because the roofer is roofing a house and not taking advantage of a person who is in a weakened state. If roofers go to an elderly persons house and charge them 50x what it is worth since they are elderly and an easy target then I see a problem. The same I see a problem with hookers targeting men. The problem is the degree of exploitation is so much higher than anything that should be allowed into any system. In the instance of capitalism one could argue that the
@AEVautomatic But everyone needs a functioning roof, so you could argue that those people with the damaged roof are in a vulnerable, or "weakened" state. Who are you to objectively declare what sex is worth? Sex is worth different things to different people.
@MissTemperence Aggregate is worth the evil parts of the equation. Someone cannot make the same argument about taking advantage of people who are in a weaker position because of a contrived need. It’s like paying a woman less because you know she has kids and can’t find another job. It is very obvious that when someone charges someone else for sex they are taking advantage beyond any ethically acceptable level.
@AEVautomatic " It is very obvious that when someone charges someone else for sex they are taking advantage beyond any ethically acceptable level. " If it's that obvious your arguments should reveal it. There's no need to simply restate your assertion again and again. Why is the roof a "contrived" need" The need for shelter is certainly very real, and far more pressing than the "need" for sex.
@MissTemperence So lets say me and the roofer have the same house. I roof his house he roofs my house but I pay him and he doesn't pay me. Like I said I don't think its too complicated.
@AEVautomatic But that's not a very good analogy. After all, you and the prostitute do not have the same bodily needs at the same time, as you do not share the same body. If you desire sex and she does not (or if you desire sex with her and she does not with you) then why should she give it to you unless she is getting something else out of it?
@MissTemperence I don't want to have sex with any prostitute so your question is nonsensicle.What she should do is go get a shitty job that pays 11$ an hour like every other person does.
@AEVautomatic I am using "you" in the general sense, as one might use "one." So yes, my question makes perfect sense. Are you going to answer it? "What she should do is go get a shitty job that pays 11$ an hour" Ah, so this isn't really about concerns about people being exploited by capitalism, since you're now saying people should just accept having to work for someone else instead. Nevermind the fact that many large corproations do far more damage than a sex act ever could.
@AEVautomatic "However I would not use a service where the employee is not paid or subject to untenable working conditions." I agree enitrely. However, how does this necessarily relate to prostitution in general? A lot of people go into the sex industry precisely so they can work for themselves and avoid such abusive empoyment situations.
On the other hand if the person has been isolated into a state of deprivation. In this way the person feels that they need to have sex based on certain psychological influences that are a response to their environment. It is like treating a single mother like shit because you know she can’t quit the job. It is like selling heroin. It is the same as depriving a woman from any physical contact and then charging her for a hug and claiming she is doing the exploiting.
@AEVautomatic "in this way the person feels that they need to have sex" Great! Then they're going to have to convince someone to have sex with them. Which can be done any number of ways, one option being to pay someone. How can this be comparred to them "being treated like shit?" What would you suggest as an alternative, if all attempts to get sex without pay have failed and he still feels like he really needs it? That someone should be forced to pity fuck him for nothing in return?
@AEVautomatic I'll ask again- what would you suggest as an alternative to someone who feels they really need sex, and have been unable to convince someone to have it with them for free?
@AEVautomatic I'm sure a ton of Johns would disagree with you. If the problem is that they want sex, how is paying for sex, and then getting sex, not a solution?
@AEVautomatic Of course they lose money. We all lose money whenever we decide to buy something we want or need. I'm sure there are many ways people spend their money that you would not personally relate to. I have a friend who spends a stupid amount of money on collectible knives. It seems ridiculous to me. So? "Sex without love is totally meaningless." Obviously not to everyone, or prostitution would never happen.
@MissTemperence Actually you have it totally backwards. First the person is drugged into wanting to have sex by hormones. Then after they always feel taken and they were. So all that is needed for prostitution to exist is the initial want. I think your friend actally got something for his money he got knifes. The person who buys sex got exploited 100% with nothing to show for it. Totally ripped off.
@AEVautomatic "Then after they always feel taken and they were" Uh, no. they don't. Don't pretend you know how every John feels, it's intellectually disingenuous. Yes, my friend got knives. Other people spend money on fleeting experiences- vacations, expensive seats at concerts, flying first class, etc. If they got what they were led to believe they would get, they weren't ripped off. They chose to pay for an experience, and they got it.
@MissTemperence I do know how men feel as I am a man. Also this is backed by studies. People are not drugged into wanting to go on a vacation. Clearly you have no idea the potency of male hormones. Its not like female hormones its about 20 times more potent. Its actually a potent drug. Go take a shot of deca in your ass then make your analogies.
@AEVautomatic "I do know how men feel as I am a man." Yes, you are A man. That does not mean you can speak for ALL men. Obviously, there are men who visit prostitutes and disagree with your views on it. Obviously, not everyone is going to feel exactly the same way about that. Come on, you know this. People have all kinds of innate desires. You can always argue our desires are driven by something deeply ingrained that compells us.
@AEVautomatic I never said some men are weak. I don't think there's anything wrong with choosing to give into those desires. I think it's very healthy so long as everyone involved is a consenting adult.
@MissTemperence They are weak or prostitutes would not be able to charge them for sex. they are in a weaker position than the prostitute. in that sense its the same as paying only 5$ a day to someone because they are in a weaker position. this is why the government has to regulate utilities. Can you imagine if it was just ok to take advantage of people like that?
Yeah but you can't compare that to testosterone. Thats why you need to take a shot of deca in your ass or you can't possibly make a relative comparison.
@AEVautomatic Even if you were correct and testosterone was just so controlling of mens desires, why would that mean you should be in a position to tell a man that he is "being taken advantage of " in regards to how HE chooses to respond to those urges? What if he finds giving into those urges and seeing a prostitute to be the most enjoyable and worthwhile way of responding to those urges?
@AEVautomatic No, you are saying the prostitue is "wrong" morally, but you are still saying that his actions are "wrong" in the sense that they are not ok, that they make him a victim. Who are you to say he is a victim if he would rather have a fun, hot time then grin and bear it in misery, as you would apparently rather choose given the choice?
@MissTemperence I don't know what you mean. The argument is that isolating someone and charging him for hugs is unethical. It follows then that depriving someone of sex and charging them for sex is immoral. If you don't think so then Im glad im not your friend.
@AEVautomatic Who has "isolated" someone? In what sense do you mean that? How does a prostitute "isolate" a customer, especially before he even gets to her and becomes a customer? Just because someone didn't get sex doesn't mean that someone "deprived" them of it. It's not something anyone else did to them or is responsible for. Nor does It doesn't mean that they're just entitled to it.
@AEVautomatic Who has "isolated" someone? In what sense do you mean that? How does a prostitute "isolate" a customer, especially before he even gets to her and becomes a customer? Just because someone didn't get sex doesn't mean that someone "deprived" them of it. It's not something anyone else did to them or is responsible for. Nor does It doesn't mean that they're just entitled to it.
Just like putting someone in a hole and making him dance for a banana is immoral. Its all the same argument. If you disagree by default you think its ok to leave someone in a cage and make him dance for a banana is moral when it would only be a slight inconvinience to let him out of his prision. Thats really all there is to it. I don't think its too complicated. Even if he got in the cage himself.
If you are paying someone for sex you are being taken advantage of. That is a simple truth. Seeing how sex is free if you are paying for it you are being taken advantage of because you are paying money for something of little to no value. Its like paying 5k to take a vacation in your bathroom.
@AEVautomatic "Seeing how sex is free" Bu that's the thing, Hon. Sex is not free. Sex is never free. You always have to give something in return. Whether it's sexual gratification in return, or love and affection, or fancy dinners, or money, whatever. Sex isn't free. Some people would prefer to spend money than time and emotional investment, and some people can't get it any other way because no one wants whatever else they have to offer. Sad but true.
@AEVautomatic "Seeing how sex is free" Bu that's the thing, Hon. Sex is not free. Sex is never free. You always have to give something in return. Whether it's sexual gratification in return, or love and affection, or fancy dinners, or money, whatever. Sex isn't free. Some people would prefer to spend money than time and emotional investment, and some people can't get it any other way because no one wants whatever else they have to offer. Sad but true.
@AEVautomatic Why doesn't the vacation compare? You still have "nothing to show for it" at the end, except fond memories. Just like seeing a prostitute, it is a fleeting, entertaining experience. Again, how can you say sex with a woman has "no real value" when people can and do pay for it every day? I've asked you this many times with no response. Obviously, it does have real value, financial and otherwise. Because you can't resell it? You can't resell a vacation experience either.
@MissTemperence A vacation contains things of value. Like fuel for the plain, food, lodging, etc etc. People are not directly drugged into wanting to take a vacation its more indirect than that. A vacation is fun and not worthless like sex with some women you don't know is. Vacations don't take advantage of people who are weak. I could go on.
Also vacations are not a free thing like sex. Obviously there is recources capital and labor needed to have vacations that can't be compared to some lady who is unwilling to get a job so she will exploit lonley and deprived people. Its totally different. If you can't see it then I can only go back to the initial argument. Someone is taking money for someone for sex. That is like taking money from someone to be their freind cuz they have no freinds or something its repulsive morality.
@MissTemperence Just give him sex for free or leave him alone. If women are really going to isolate him then maybe there is therapy or drugs that can curb his hormones. Regardless of how they deal with it taking advantage of them is not a solution. What is your solution for 5 year olds in india who have to work for 5 dollars a day in sweatshops? Is it ok since if they don't have that job their family will starve? No of course not there are levels of exploitation that are objectivley wrong.
And those people who make 5$ a day need the job to survive and I will still argue its unacceptable. Having sex with prostitutes has not been shown to be of any help to men. So prostitutes are a totally worthless function. It produces 0 positive externalities. It is very unethical by all meaning of the word unethical.
@AEVautomatic "And those people who make 5$ a day need the job to survive and I will still argue its unacceptable" I would agree to. But the solution wouldn't be to just tell them to stop working that job. You would have to be able to offer them a better job in order to actually be helping them. "Having sex with prostitutes has not been shown to be of any help to men." That's ridiculous, you have no way of knowing that.
@MissTemperence Huh? Actually yes we can. We can study it surveys ect. Plus I am a man etc etc. There is a whole field of science that studies such things.
@AEVautomatic "We can study it surveys ect" How exactly would you measure how an enjoyable experience benefits a person? And have such studies been done? Please share them, if so.
@AEVautomatic If you are so aware of these studies it should be no problem for you to produce them to back up your assertions. And yet, that doesn't seem to be happening...
@MissTemperence Well I could easily but I will have to look through my psych book for a while. I don't see why I should have too all first year college students are told this several times.Its common knowledge.
@AEVautomatic "I don't see why I should have too all first year college students are told this several times.Its common knowledge." LOL, that's hilarious. If you have studies to back up your assertions, produce them, If you don't, stop mumbling endlessly about having them while producing nothing.
@MissTemperence Its like saying the earth is a sphere then they ask for studies. Its such an accepted fact is it even easy to find a study on the shape of the earth? Its an analytic truth in my view.
@AEVautomatic Yeah, I remember one of the first things they told us in college orientation was that men don't benefit from seeing prostitutes. Seriously? Psych isn't something that's necessarily studied in one's first year in college. To insist this kind of thing is even bound to come up in first year college is facepalm.
@MissTemperence I don't think you have been to any decent college. Humans are designed to never be satisfied. Seeing a hooker makes things worse. Its an analytic truth.
@AEVautomatic "I don't think you have been to any decent college." Hmmm...this coming from someone who falls back on a lot of ad hominem attacks and STILL can't back up his assertions with these supposedly abundant and well known studies...
@MissTemperence Ill link you the study when I have time I guess. Its not an ad hominem attack its an attack against your college for not teaching you basic psychology so now you are unaware of basic function of wants, rewards and suffering. So now when I have time I have to waste my time tracking down studies that you should already know. So yeah its annoying.
@AEVautomatic "Its not an ad hominem attack its an attack against your college." LOL. An ad hominem is when you attack your opponent rather than addressing their argument. Telling someone they're not educated rather than arguing against the points they made certainly qualifies. Now that usually is taught in early college if not in high school. Hmmm...I wont hold my breath on those studies, lol.
@AEVautomatic LOL. An ad hjominem is when you attack your opponent themselves rather than addressing the arguments they have made. Simply accusing yoru opponent of being uneducated rather than addressing their points certainly qualifies. Now that's something that usually is taught in early college or high school. Hmmm...guess I shouldn't hold my breath on those studies. PS, I've studied the sex industry for a long time. Have yet to see these supposedly well established studies.
@MissTemperence Yeah but I didn't attack you rather than your arguments. The ad hominem argument is in the form 'You are uneducated therefore your arguments can't be right.' I never made that argument. I made an additional statement that '"because you are uneducated I now have to do additional work and that is annoying." Clearly you do not understand what an ad hominem is.
@AEVautomatic You're right, they're not an ad hominem argument. It's just childish, empty attack, and a way for you to take the focus off the fact you have nothing to back up your absurd claims.
@MissTemperence Did you read my post at all. The way the person finds himself in this situation is irrelevant. Lets say he locked himself in the cage. Its still wrong to make him do a dance for a banana. So your objections are not relevant. Yes it is deprevation. He is deprived from sex. He will be socially isolated in that regard. I don't see what relevance his right is. Because it is not his right for sex does not make exploiting them ok
@AEVautomatic "Lets say he locked himself in the cage. Its still wrong to make him do a dance for a banana." Yes, it would be wrong to FORCE him to do anything. But forcing someone who is under your physical control to do something is not the same as someone volluntarily seeking out and paying for a service. What makes you think every man who sees a prostitute is deprived?
@AEVautomatic "Because no one in there right mind will pay for a hooker if they can just go have sex with someone else." Not true at all. There are many reasons people go to pros: for the discretion, because they don't want the complications of a relationship, because they don't want to put invest too much time and effort, because they want someone who's "out of their league", because they have a kink they're embarassed to reveal to an actual partner, because it's convenient, etc.
@MissTemperence Then why is 98% of prostitution females selling to males if those are the reasons to see a prostitute? It should be 50/50 then. No it is the contrived desire created by hormones.
@AEVautomatic Yes, hormones and sex drive do likely play a part. That doesn't mean a person can't also see a sex worker, instead of seeking out sex in more traditional ways, for all the reasons I listed. It doesn't necessarily mean he can't get sex any other way. It might just mean he finds it preferable, for all the reasons mentioned.
@AEVautomatic hormones and sex drive do play a part. So? Why does that mean a man that goes to a sex worker instead of getting sex in a traditional way must be doing so because he can't get it any other way? He can have a high sex drive, and prefer going to a hooker, for all the reasons i listed.
@MissTemperence Then why is 98% of prostitution females selling to males if those are the reasons to see a prostitute? It should be 50/50 then. No it is the contrived desire created by hormones.
@MissTemperence No I don't think so. If those were the reasons there would be just as many women buying prostitutes as men. It has to do with the fact that the man has 20x the sex drive.
@AEVautomatic Women's sex drives are different than mens. But that doesn't mean a man can't simply prefer going to a prostitute, for all the reasons I mentioned. A man can have a high sex drive, be able to get sex for free, but prefer the convenience.
@MissTemperence Yes I agree with that. However, I do not think it is ok to exploit people. I also think some degrees of exploitation are greater than others. It seems to me that a man buying prostitutes must be suffering some deficit. So I do not think that it is a fair position for the male to be making these choices there is coercion. I think the balance of power in most markets are not like the balance in prostitution. Because men are made retarded by testosterone.
@AEVautomatic "It seems to me that a man buying prostitutes must be suffering some deficit." I don't think see any basis for that. You would find it demeaning, but clearly not everyone sees it that way. Most people see it as demeaning for the prostitute, after all.
@MissTemperence First, he will want to have sex. Want is desire it is a precieved deficit. But this time it is influenced by drugs. They are drugs you can buy them at a phamacy. And they can be pretty potent drugs.
@AEVautomatic "They are on natural drugs that they can't just not take." So? My hormones can make me feel a bonkers too. Every month around the same time I get an intense craving for chocolate and red meat. Is Whole Foods taking advantage of me, selling me steak and cupcakes? If I think it would be fun to hire an escort when I'm single and ovulating, am I being taken advantage of?
@MissTemperence So the individual’s autonomy is compromised. John is not able to make a sane informed decision because of multiple factors. Plus his state is the result of isolation from an entire group of people. This isolation is a result of group and individual dynamics that are evolutionary in nature. Since it is failing in mating through the conventional social construct it will try to find other strategies to mate. So if the creature is in that state it seems exploitative to exploit that.
@AEVautomatic "John is not able to make a sane informed decision because of multiple factors." I'd say that's quite a leap. Why, because of testosterone? The vast majority of men are able to control their sexual urges and make decisions that go against their desires. I see no reason to treat a man as a child who can't make his own decisions for himself when it comes to prostitution. And as we've established, it's not necessarily due to isolation.
@MissTemperence Yeah but not all men have enough intelligence or experience. If you don’t understand something the right way then you can’t make an informed decision, its not possible. Johns are marks they are taken for all the money they have. They are taken for the money by the woman who uses sex to her advantage. You think this is good for the man ? I don't think we established that. Women isolate the men only mateing with few. Women are never isolated from sex. Almost all is man buying woma
@AEVautomatic "Yeah but not all men have enough intelligence or experience." That's always going to be true of some people. Some women and men don't have enough intelligence or experience to be making good decisions with their money in general. Some people go into debt buying expensive clothing. But we still let people do what they're going to do. Some women let their hormones control them and go ahead and get pregnant when it's not the best time.
@MissTemperence Yeah but not all men have enough intelligence or experience. If you don’t understand something the right way then you can’t make an informed decision, its not possible. Johns are marks they are taken for all the money they have. They are taken for the money by the woman who uses sex to her advantage. You think this is good for the man ? I don’t see how that’s established. It is testosterone + isolation. Both things women have little of.
The whole thing comes down to the fact that the sexual abstinence can be dangerous for men. After all, the expression "jerks"or "wankers" has some special meaning for some men.
cornel10 1 week ago
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We should decriminalize —— not legalize. ¿Have you hard about red states regulating abortion-clinics in such a way that they cannot operate? The prudes, if legalized, could write regulations in such as way that it is not possible to for a bunch of women, liking sex, to set up a bordello as a co-op.
In Nevada, the people who have bordellos have lobbied the legislature so that the regulation make it almost impossible for new competitors to open.
Walabio 2 weeks ago
The funny thing about the religious brigade is: how they promote slavery, belittling and controlling women, rape and violence and bigotry, but want to take a "moral" stand on anything, much less prostitution. Which is the oldest and longest running occupation, even before the "jesus" thing happened. Funny how they turn their feelings around once they think their god dropped his son in their laps to baby sit them.
Bllackguard666 2 weeks ago
god is your nature... your nature tell you its wrong... you know when you are doing something wrong you feel that uneasiness thats god child......we are living in a world were sin is seen as a neutral act where by anybody can just intellectualize and rationalize anything to jusitfy there views.... thats trick of the devil aka satan...'m not a bible thumper .... but this world is a modern sodom and gomor perhaps even worst... no women on the averae can sell her body and feel good about doing it
MrSteven2945 3 weeks ago
@MrSteven2945
"god is your nature... your nature tell you its wrong... you know when you are doing something wrong you feel that uneasiness thats god child..."
- and what about all the people who think it's right? isnt it funny how god holds the exact same positions as you???
lol
types10000 1 week ago
i love carlin
merrick926 3 weeks ago
Bible? Wanna read it, it has some pretty good points.
iAMpinoy000001 1 month ago
Agreed.
So long as the principal of non-initiation of force is obeyed and the act is between two consent adults, what is wrong with prostitution?
Nothing as far as I can tell, other than it offends some people. I couldn't care less if some people get offended. I would rather have freedom and liberty.
nippyhippy123 1 month ago
The legality of prostitution.... my goodness, what a subject. The American public is so messed up by religion, that I doubt it will ever be legal.
databaseexpert 1 month ago
its wrong and only because god said its wrong,He is the standard for all of man kind ever one fall short of his will: but, still its wrong because he said its wrong take it or leave it. thats why is in the shape its in right now
MrSteven2945 1 month ago in playlist Pr0$titution
@MrSteven2945 "its wrong and only because god said its wrong." Luckily, we live in a secular country and don't base our laws on your personal religious convictions.
PenelopeBaden 3 weeks ago
@MrSteven2945 So you would be ok with slavery then? Murdering your children when they misbehave? Murdering everyone who is not a member of your religion, they're whole family, friends and city and raping their women? Forcing rape victims to marry their rapist? Murdering women who have sex before marriage? Murdering homosexuals? Murdering anyone who says something disrespectful about your religion? Don't preach one verse of your book and ignore the rest of it. Ignore all of it.
cm3007235 1 week ago
"withholding sex until after the nuptials seems like a business deal"
THANK YOU. I've waited for over 40 years to hear that from a woman.
jeffiek 1 month ago
You're wasting your time, using logical arguments when talking with religious people. Religion is designed specifically to contradict logic and observation.
Cowcharge 2 months ago
@Cowcharge so everyone who disagrees with her has to be religious? smh at ur lack of comprehension. It called a code of ethics!
RaccoltaDeAgony 1 month ago
@RaccoltaDeAgony Whose ethics? Assuming the woman does it by choice, what ethical offense does prostitution commit?
Cowcharge 1 month ago
@Cowcharge obviously people that dont support that nasty shit e.g by doing it or paying for it
RaccoltaDeAgony 1 month ago
@RaccoltaDeAgony You didn't answer my question, why do you believe it's unethical? Nasty I can agree with, in the case of your low-down streetwalker or being number who-knows-what in her service line. The utter lack of romance or connection makes it something that doesn't interest me in the least. But assuming she's clean, healthy and doesn't rob the guy, what ethical offense? If your sense of ethics didn't come from being raised in a religious environment, then I apologize. But I bet it did.
Cowcharge 1 month ago
@Cowcharge haha yeah u and ur mom probably worked as hooker so maybe thats why u find it so appealing at support it. I answered ur question and since u are near incompetent I will point out where i answered the question. And its when i said its bad qualities to show kids. And most likely u would be a rapist ,murderer ,and child molester if we didnt have laws like that already in place cause not only are u incompetent u seen to be primitive and want to live with no self control.
RaccoltaDeAgony 1 month ago
@RaccoltaDeAgony When you're absolutely lost in an argument, switch to insults. Standard tactics for 11 year-olds on YouTube, LOL. Go watch Twilight for the 47th time or something. I'm outta here.
Cowcharge 1 month ago
@Cowcharge i'm just throwing them back ur way kid so dont get mad. And just coz ur in that line of work and watch twilight dont project what u do onto me or others. So did acting like a 11 yr old work out for ya?
RaccoltaDeAgony 1 month ago
@Cowcharge its bad values to show to young kids esp girls! Also they may be a ready available source to underage boys & potentially make males sex addicts if their able to buy it all the time like that! But what if they buy it so much & dont have the money til they get payed again? or what if homeless males with no money want it? it could lead to rape & not just of the hoes.& what if the supply of used up loose hookers dont suffice & they start using underage girls that may or may not consented?
RaccoltaDeAgony 1 month ago
@RaccoltaDeAgony Ok, now we've gone from debating into comedy.
Cowcharge 1 month ago
FAIL!!
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
@halflifeproductionz word up!
RaccoltaDeAgony 1 month ago
there are too many fucking Christians in the world.
MrBigfan007 2 months ago
@MrBigfan007
Toooooooooo maaaaaany one of you in the World.....=)-
Wh47n0w1517 2 months ago
Ending with George Carlin, like a boss.
WackoSwords 2 months ago
I think we should legalize, regulate it and tax it. It would become a safer occupation for those inclined, there would be work guidelines to protect the women and their clients, and there would be revenue to help with government programs. It's quite possibly the worlds oldest tradition it is about time we move out of the dark ages and acknowledge it. On a side note, other ape species practice prostitution, it is highly likely it has been practiced long before we evolved into homo sapien.
CrankyTiger 2 months ago in playlist More videos from xxxThePeachxxx
Making it illegal to sell something it's perfectly legal to give away, often for very ill reflected reasons... ridiculous.
dannytibi 3 months ago
yes, but it is fine if you tape it and upload it to a pornography website.
Oddly some idiots seem to believe that prostitution is worse than rape.
naturalistmind 3 months ago
@naturalistmind Jesus died for you
alexandervanwyk 3 months ago in playlist Social Issues
@alexandervanwyk Fuck Jesus.
Icerama108 2 months ago
Yup! This country is FULL of contradictions! They have been after Roe v Wade for decades now, another puritanical witch hunt! We live with blinders on most of the time. Check this video out on another subject that needs real change...
look up blackmewhiteme.......
AmericanZebra 3 months ago
Marriage is a legal form of prostitution, in my opinion. I give my wife my money... she gives me sex. You be the judge.
cdickenson64 3 months ago
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lasttime i checked street walkers didn't wash your dirty underwear and help your kid with their homework, but if thats all your mom did was give your dad sex for money then you must have been raised by wild racoons.
uralusr 3 months ago
Where is the gauge of morality? Who says what is right and wrong? What gauge of measure does one use to determine what is right or wrong? Does government determine what it? Does the individual?
This video discredits the spread of STDs yet it is at epidemic proportions. 300,000 people in the US alone get a STD every year. Millions will die from STDs world wide just this year. She states the use of condoms yet all major porn industries state they do not use condoms. btw, there not full proof
MrBuster128 3 months ago
@MrBuster128 The video is about prostitution. Not sure why you're bringing up porn. Yes, STD's are a problem. But in the legal brothels of Nevada, there is statistically less STD contraction then among the general population, no doubt due to enforced condom usage and regular check ups.
MissTemperence 3 months ago
@MissTemperence Porn is a lot like prostitution, is it not? Only differnece is there is a cammera and it is more controled and viewed by others. I asked several questions that you did not responded to. I would like to know your thoughts on them. thanks for your time and response.
MrBuster128 3 months ago
@MrBuster128 I can't find any of your other questions, sorry. Are you sure they posted?
MissTemperence 3 months ago
@MissTemperence Germany has legal prostitution where they are provided healthcare, condoms and a building to work from. Other countries have got along just fine, seems the U.S. is being the times yet again.
CrankyTiger 2 months ago in playlist More videos from xxxThePeachxxx
@CrankyTiger That's more than I get working my legal job.
Cowcharge 1 month ago
In Iceland the feminists have made it so its illegal to by sex but legal to sell it. That is just retarded.
olafurhh03 3 months ago
prostitution is legal as long as your not paid by the person your doing it with and you film it, its called porn.
Neall07 4 months ago
Also legalizing prostitution in America would create legal competition for the pimps and traffickers. I could see them saying no solicitation on street corners and in front of schools and businesses. How they do in Canada and UK would be fine for America. In those countries the exchange of sex for money is legal. But you must be discreet about it. You could put an ad online and in the paper.
travelingjohn69 4 months ago
ZOMGitsCriss sent me and I subscribed.
Peaches is too cool !
torrid426 4 months ago
Its a little harsh to compare cops to Fox News anchors...
Cognosis 4 months ago
Either Budda or the Tao said when you create many laws, you make the people criminals. So, so true. Pot's illegal, but I can go buy alcohol that will make me temporarily insane. Let it go Big Brother!!! We're not stupid or ignorant, stupid prohibitions just makes us hate the government more than we would anyway.
Jones60100 4 months ago
blah blah blah! some bitches just dont know how to shut up
CoupeDeville23 4 months ago
The reason that morality cannot be legislated is not because morality is relative, it is because legislators do not have any incentive to find the correct moral rules. Prostitution should be legal because making it illegal is worse for those who engage in it than making it legal and regulated.
wwickeddogg 4 months ago
I'm glad you used George Carlin's clip. I was thinking about it all the while you gave your argument against the prohibition of prostitution. Perhaps if it was legal, some of these creepy bastards of the Catholic Church would have gone out in pursuit of some fun with an adult female, and not a 12 year old boy. I've seen a few of your vids, you're bright. But, I saw where you had some problems with a freak. Be careful, I wouldn't mention your state of residence online. Just to be safe, ya know.
TwoChihuahuas 4 months ago
The late great George Carlin - perfect ending to this vid!!! LOL
aviansoul 4 months ago
Hi, I thought you might find this interesting.
Professor Celine Parrenas-Shimizu.... UC Berkeley "The Hyper-sexuality of Race"
Buliamti 5 months ago
there is a huge problem with sex trafficing there are more women and kids used as sex slaves then there were in america when slavery was legal. In Italy prostitution is legal but all the women are owned the women can only speak their native language and are illegal. This is because the demand for sex is higher than the amount of women willing to sell themselves therefore men kidnap, rape, and drug impoverished women. In a perfect world with no sex traffickers I wouldnt care about prostitution.
FernandoTorrera 5 months ago
@FernandoTorrera Most studies regarding trafficked people do not distinguish between people who are actually forced into something, and people who have chosen to work in another country of their own accord. Any sex worker found working outside of their own country is considered "trafficked." Rather misleading, huh?
MissTemperence 5 months ago in playlist Pr0$titution
@MissTemperence slavers promise girls a high paying job by sneaking them into another country they willingly go even so they are still trafficked. Just like a coyote trafficks illegals. where I live its legal to be a prostitute we have violent pimps outside of my apartment was a slave with her face beaten like hamburger meat I couldnt do anything because the pimps will torture and kill you. a priest who helped prostitutes escape from pimps now has to go into hiding cause pimps want him dead.
FernandoTorrera 5 months ago
@FernandoTorrera And then there are also sex workers who travel of their own accord to work in other countries for a number of reasons. But according to the definition of "trafficked person" in most of these studies, these people are also included. Despite not being enslaved or coerced at all. Your post doesn't address my point at all.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence If anyone is entered into a country illegally that is trafficking. There are many different kinds of trafficking. Like the coyotes trafficking latinos. I have never seen statistics that include legal immigrants going through the process on their own being included. Even if they did include those people the amount of women enslaved is mind boggling this isnt some small problem. Again if the world was rosy and pimps went extinct I wouldnt care if a woman prostituted of her will
FernandoTorrera 5 months ago
@FernandoTorrera A person entering another country of their own accord to illegally work there is an entirely different problem than a person being enslaved. The two issues should not be conflated, but that is what is happening. That means these statistics do not adequately reflect the number of women being "enslaved."
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence statistics for trafficking includes all forms of trafficking. On anti-slavery websites they make it pretty clear they use statistics of sex slave trafficking which is a kind of trafficking and not just a statistic of trafficking. I dont know why you mentioned trafficking statistics which is a broader scope than just enslaved people.
FernandoTorrera 5 months ago
@FernandoTorrera "statistics for trafficking includes all forms of trafficking" Including those that don't involve any enslavement at all. Hence, they do not reveal how many women are enslaved. Yes, I'm sure many sights are claiming that the data is all relevant to sex slaves, but when you read the details of the study, and the definition of "Trafficked," you usually see that's not the case. One need not be enslaved at all to be considered "trafficked"
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Im going to repost my stance. Where I live prostitution is legal however the mafia and pimps are thriving. The women are illegal and you cant help them because they dont understand your language and you could be shot. All the women are from impoverished countries the few consenting Italian women dont fulfill the demand. Simply legalizing just makes the mafias prostitutes legal. There needs to be a brutal attack on the mafia before legalizing so only honest people prostitute.
FernandoTorrera 5 months ago
George, he could always put a smile on ur face.
VellianoRosso 5 months ago
HOOKERS!
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TheMrgoku1985 5 months ago
When people make porn they are working together to earn money. It is not one person taking advantage of the other.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic So, in prostitution, who is taking advantage of who? Is the John taking advantage of the prostitutes need for money? Or is she taking advantage of his need for sex?
MissTemperence 5 months ago in playlist Pr0$titution
@MissTemperence The hooker is always taking advantage of the male. It is not possible to get money for sex and be the victim. Clearly when you sell something that has 0$ cash value like sex) for 100$+ an hour you are taking advantage of someone. That is why they are called hookers.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic How can you say sex has $0 cash value? If people are selling it, it clearly does. And actually, they are called hookers in reference to an area in New York in the 19th century referred to as Corlear's Hook, or "the hook." To turn the tables on your point, how is it possible to be a victim by choosing to pay for an elective service? You have no inherent right to have sex with anyone.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence It has 0$ cash value because its not worth paying any money for. People can only sell it because of male hormones (powerful drugs)that create the illusion of needing/wanting something that they do not need and should not want. People buy sex because of a precieved value that does not exist objectivley. It is easy to be taken advantage of for paying for an elective service. Lets say that someone is trapped in a hole. Lets say that people throw him bananas and water to dance.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@MissTemperence and no one helps him out. Then they charge hime 57,000$ to throw him a rope so he can get out of the hole (a low end price comparison to 100$ an hour for sex.) It seems to me that this person would have been taken advantage of for an elective service. "people don't have the right to have sex with anyone" Again a person stuck in a hole does not have the right to a rope. However, it would still be unethical not to throw the person a rope, for free.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Hooker is a term that currently = "It is to do with 'hooking' men into a situation where they can be exploited sexually or robbed."
Basically women sexually exploit men.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@MissTemperence The problem is that you have no concept of fairness or equality.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
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@AEVautomatic (part 2) "The problem is that you have no concept of fairness or equality. " You are not entitled to "equal access" to other people's bodies. To suggest otherwise is to advocate for slavery. You can't say the word "hooker" now suddenly has nothing to do with it's established origins because you would prefer a different story that fits your personal ideology. Sorry.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Do you even know what justice as fairness means?
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@MissTemperence They treat men as a means only and not as an ends.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic We all do that to people all day. Do you go to a restaurant and look at your server, wonder about their hopes and dreams and fears? Try to ge to know them as someone you may potentially want in your life long term? Probably not. You probably just see them as a means to food, your bank teller as a means to your money, etc. If ou want a relationship, put in the time and effort that dating requires instead of cmplaining about people who are not looking for that with eachother.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence I don't know what you are talking about. I think the bank teller can see who is someone who sees them as having value and someone who just wants to use them for their own benefit. I have no idea what the rest of your text is refering to. Why are you attacking me and claiming to know how I feel or how much time and effort I put into dateing? You don't know any of that and even if you did its totally irrelevant.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic Why do you assume the bank teller sees you as someone of value and the prostitute does not? After all, you are the same thing to a prostitute and a bank teller- a customer. My point is YOU are using the bank teller for your own benefit in this scenario. She is a means and not an end. You get your cash and leave and likely never think of him/her again. And there's nothing wrong with that.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Well, I don't see the economic system we have as being some standard of morality; it is based on egoism so it is flawed. Your view seems to be based on cultural relativism. Since I am not a cultural relativist I see no force whatsoever to your argument. However I would not use a service where the employee is not paid or subject to untenable working conditions. All of your arguments against me personally so far are false.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic I agree there are a lot of complaints to be made about capitalism. It certainly is not a standard of morality, no. There are good arguments to be made that it is an immoral system in many ways. But it sounds like that's what your criticism is of- capitalism. In that case, I see no reason to go after certain professions and not others. Why is a prostitute and abuser while a roofer, or a food cart vendor, is not?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Because the roofer is roofing a house and not taking advantage of a person who is in a weakened state. If roofers go to an elderly persons house and charge them 50x what it is worth since they are elderly and an easy target then I see a problem. The same I see a problem with hookers targeting men. The problem is the degree of exploitation is so much higher than anything that should be allowed into any system. In the instance of capitalism one could argue that the
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic But everyone needs a functioning roof, so you could argue that those people with the damaged roof are in a vulnerable, or "weakened" state. Who are you to objectively declare what sex is worth? Sex is worth different things to different people.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Aggregate is worth the evil parts of the equation. Someone cannot make the same argument about taking advantage of people who are in a weaker position because of a contrived need. It’s like paying a woman less because you know she has kids and can’t find another job. It is very obvious that when someone charges someone else for sex they are taking advantage beyond any ethically acceptable level.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic " It is very obvious that when someone charges someone else for sex they are taking advantage beyond any ethically acceptable level. " If it's that obvious your arguments should reveal it. There's no need to simply restate your assertion again and again. Why is the roof a "contrived" need" The need for shelter is certainly very real, and far more pressing than the "need" for sex.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence So lets say me and the roofer have the same house. I roof his house he roofs my house but I pay him and he doesn't pay me. Like I said I don't think its too complicated.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic But that's not a very good analogy. After all, you and the prostitute do not have the same bodily needs at the same time, as you do not share the same body. If you desire sex and she does not (or if you desire sex with her and she does not with you) then why should she give it to you unless she is getting something else out of it?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence I don't want to have sex with any prostitute so your question is nonsensicle.What she should do is go get a shitty job that pays 11$ an hour like every other person does.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
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@AEVautomatic I am using "you" in the general sense, as one might use "one." So yes, my question makes perfect sense. Are you going to answer it? "What she should do is go get a shitty job that pays 11$ an hour" Ah, so this isn't really about concerns about people being exploited by capitalism, since you're now saying people should just accept having to work for someone else instead. Nevermind the fact that many large corproations do far more damage than a sex act ever could.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
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@AEVautomatic "However I would not use a service where the employee is not paid or subject to untenable working conditions." I agree enitrely. However, how does this necessarily relate to prostitution in general? A lot of people go into the sex industry precisely so they can work for themselves and avoid such abusive empoyment situations.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
On the other hand if the person has been isolated into a state of deprivation. In this way the person feels that they need to have sex based on certain psychological influences that are a response to their environment. It is like treating a single mother like shit because you know she can’t quit the job. It is like selling heroin. It is the same as depriving a woman from any physical contact and then charging her for a hug and claiming she is doing the exploiting.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "in this way the person feels that they need to have sex" Great! Then they're going to have to convince someone to have sex with them. Which can be done any number of ways, one option being to pay someone. How can this be comparred to them "being treated like shit?" What would you suggest as an alternative, if all attempts to get sex without pay have failed and he still feels like he really needs it? That someone should be forced to pity fuck him for nothing in return?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
I don’t understand how you can watch a man pay a woman for sex and claim that there is not an unacceptable degree of exploitation involved.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic I'll ask again- what would you suggest as an alternative to someone who feels they really need sex, and have been unable to convince someone to have it with them for free?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence There is no alternative. Paying for sex is not going to help them.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic I'm sure a ton of Johns would disagree with you. If the problem is that they want sex, how is paying for sex, and then getting sex, not a solution?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence I don't think so. They just lose their money. Sex without love is totally meaningless.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic Of course they lose money. We all lose money whenever we decide to buy something we want or need. I'm sure there are many ways people spend their money that you would not personally relate to. I have a friend who spends a stupid amount of money on collectible knives. It seems ridiculous to me. So? "Sex without love is totally meaningless." Obviously not to everyone, or prostitution would never happen.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Actually you have it totally backwards. First the person is drugged into wanting to have sex by hormones. Then after they always feel taken and they were. So all that is needed for prostitution to exist is the initial want. I think your friend actally got something for his money he got knifes. The person who buys sex got exploited 100% with nothing to show for it. Totally ripped off.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "Then after they always feel taken and they were" Uh, no. they don't. Don't pretend you know how every John feels, it's intellectually disingenuous. Yes, my friend got knives. Other people spend money on fleeting experiences- vacations, expensive seats at concerts, flying first class, etc. If they got what they were led to believe they would get, they weren't ripped off. They chose to pay for an experience, and they got it.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence I do know how men feel as I am a man. Also this is backed by studies. People are not drugged into wanting to go on a vacation. Clearly you have no idea the potency of male hormones. Its not like female hormones its about 20 times more potent. Its actually a potent drug. Go take a shot of deca in your ass then make your analogies.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "I do know how men feel as I am a man." Yes, you are A man. That does not mean you can speak for ALL men. Obviously, there are men who visit prostitutes and disagree with your views on it. Obviously, not everyone is going to feel exactly the same way about that. Come on, you know this. People have all kinds of innate desires. You can always argue our desires are driven by something deeply ingrained that compells us.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence "there are men who visit prostitutes and disagree with your views on it"
Yeah that person is not at all mentally healthy.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic There's no psychiatric basis for that, so that's a pretty useless statement.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
Your argument that some men are weak and so its ok to take advantage of them is very unsound.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic I never said some men are weak. I don't think there's anything wrong with choosing to give into those desires. I think it's very healthy so long as everyone involved is a consenting adult.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence They are weak or prostitutes would not be able to charge them for sex. they are in a weaker position than the prostitute. in that sense its the same as paying only 5$ a day to someone because they are in a weaker position. this is why the government has to regulate utilities. Can you imagine if it was just ok to take advantage of people like that?
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
Yeah but you can't compare that to testosterone. Thats why you need to take a shot of deca in your ass or you can't possibly make a relative comparison.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic Even if you were correct and testosterone was just so controlling of mens desires, why would that mean you should be in a position to tell a man that he is "being taken advantage of " in regards to how HE chooses to respond to those urges? What if he finds giving into those urges and seeing a prostitute to be the most enjoyable and worthwhile way of responding to those urges?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Oh I am correct testosterone is in control. Yeah I never said the man is doing something wrong. It is the prostitute.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic No, you are saying the prostitue is "wrong" morally, but you are still saying that his actions are "wrong" in the sense that they are not ok, that they make him a victim. Who are you to say he is a victim if he would rather have a fun, hot time then grin and bear it in misery, as you would apparently rather choose given the choice?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence I don't know what you mean. The argument is that isolating someone and charging him for hugs is unethical. It follows then that depriving someone of sex and charging them for sex is immoral. If you don't think so then Im glad im not your friend.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic Who has "isolated" someone? In what sense do you mean that? How does a prostitute "isolate" a customer, especially before he even gets to her and becomes a customer? Just because someone didn't get sex doesn't mean that someone "deprived" them of it. It's not something anyone else did to them or is responsible for. Nor does It doesn't mean that they're just entitled to it.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
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@AEVautomatic Who has "isolated" someone? In what sense do you mean that? How does a prostitute "isolate" a customer, especially before he even gets to her and becomes a customer? Just because someone didn't get sex doesn't mean that someone "deprived" them of it. It's not something anyone else did to them or is responsible for. Nor does It doesn't mean that they're just entitled to it.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
Just like putting someone in a hole and making him dance for a banana is immoral. Its all the same argument. If you disagree by default you think its ok to leave someone in a cage and make him dance for a banana is moral when it would only be a slight inconvinience to let him out of his prision. Thats really all there is to it. I don't think its too complicated. Even if he got in the cage himself.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
If you are paying someone for sex you are being taken advantage of. That is a simple truth. Seeing how sex is free if you are paying for it you are being taken advantage of because you are paying money for something of little to no value. Its like paying 5k to take a vacation in your bathroom.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "Seeing how sex is free" Bu that's the thing, Hon. Sex is not free. Sex is never free. You always have to give something in return. Whether it's sexual gratification in return, or love and affection, or fancy dinners, or money, whatever. Sex isn't free. Some people would prefer to spend money than time and emotional investment, and some people can't get it any other way because no one wants whatever else they have to offer. Sad but true.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
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@AEVautomatic "Seeing how sex is free" Bu that's the thing, Hon. Sex is not free. Sex is never free. You always have to give something in return. Whether it's sexual gratification in return, or love and affection, or fancy dinners, or money, whatever. Sex isn't free. Some people would prefer to spend money than time and emotional investment, and some people can't get it any other way because no one wants whatever else they have to offer. Sad but true.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Umm sorry but the vacation includes things that can't be compared to something of no real value like sex with a woman.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic Why doesn't the vacation compare? You still have "nothing to show for it" at the end, except fond memories. Just like seeing a prostitute, it is a fleeting, entertaining experience. Again, how can you say sex with a woman has "no real value" when people can and do pay for it every day? I've asked you this many times with no response. Obviously, it does have real value, financial and otherwise. Because you can't resell it? You can't resell a vacation experience either.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence A vacation contains things of value. Like fuel for the plain, food, lodging, etc etc. People are not directly drugged into wanting to take a vacation its more indirect than that. A vacation is fun and not worthless like sex with some women you don't know is. Vacations don't take advantage of people who are weak. I could go on.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
Also vacations are not a free thing like sex. Obviously there is recources capital and labor needed to have vacations that can't be compared to some lady who is unwilling to get a job so she will exploit lonley and deprived people. Its totally different. If you can't see it then I can only go back to the initial argument. Someone is taking money for someone for sex. That is like taking money from someone to be their freind cuz they have no freinds or something its repulsive morality.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Sorry you're wrong and the solution is to help eachother and not to take advantage of people since they are weak.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic And how would you suggest we "help" people who want sex and can't get it?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Just give him sex for free or leave him alone. If women are really going to isolate him then maybe there is therapy or drugs that can curb his hormones. Regardless of how they deal with it taking advantage of them is not a solution. What is your solution for 5 year olds in india who have to work for 5 dollars a day in sweatshops? Is it ok since if they don't have that job their family will starve? No of course not there are levels of exploitation that are objectivley wrong.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
And those people who make 5$ a day need the job to survive and I will still argue its unacceptable. Having sex with prostitutes has not been shown to be of any help to men. So prostitutes are a totally worthless function. It produces 0 positive externalities. It is very unethical by all meaning of the word unethical.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "And those people who make 5$ a day need the job to survive and I will still argue its unacceptable" I would agree to. But the solution wouldn't be to just tell them to stop working that job. You would have to be able to offer them a better job in order to actually be helping them. "Having sex with prostitutes has not been shown to be of any help to men." That's ridiculous, you have no way of knowing that.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Huh? Actually yes we can. We can study it surveys ect. Plus I am a man etc etc. There is a whole field of science that studies such things.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "We can study it surveys ect" How exactly would you measure how an enjoyable experience benefits a person? And have such studies been done? Please share them, if so.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Im suprised that you are unaware of the studies. We can in fact study these things.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic If you are so aware of these studies it should be no problem for you to produce them to back up your assertions. And yet, that doesn't seem to be happening...
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Well I could easily but I will have to look through my psych book for a while. I don't see why I should have too all first year college students are told this several times.Its common knowledge.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "I don't see why I should have too all first year college students are told this several times.Its common knowledge." LOL, that's hilarious. If you have studies to back up your assertions, produce them, If you don't, stop mumbling endlessly about having them while producing nothing.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Its like saying the earth is a sphere then they ask for studies. Its such an accepted fact is it even easy to find a study on the shape of the earth? Its an analytic truth in my view.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic Yeah, I remember one of the first things they told us in college orientation was that men don't benefit from seeing prostitutes. Seriously? Psych isn't something that's necessarily studied in one's first year in college. To insist this kind of thing is even bound to come up in first year college is facepalm.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence I don't think you have been to any decent college. Humans are designed to never be satisfied. Seeing a hooker makes things worse. Its an analytic truth.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "I don't think you have been to any decent college." Hmmm...this coming from someone who falls back on a lot of ad hominem attacks and STILL can't back up his assertions with these supposedly abundant and well known studies...
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Ill link you the study when I have time I guess. Its not an ad hominem attack its an attack against your college for not teaching you basic psychology so now you are unaware of basic function of wants, rewards and suffering. So now when I have time I have to waste my time tracking down studies that you should already know. So yeah its annoying.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
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@AEVautomatic "Its not an ad hominem attack its an attack against your college." LOL. An ad hominem is when you attack your opponent rather than addressing their argument. Telling someone they're not educated rather than arguing against the points they made certainly qualifies. Now that usually is taught in early college if not in high school. Hmmm...I wont hold my breath on those studies, lol.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic LOL. An ad hjominem is when you attack your opponent themselves rather than addressing the arguments they have made. Simply accusing yoru opponent of being uneducated rather than addressing their points certainly qualifies. Now that's something that usually is taught in early college or high school. Hmmm...guess I shouldn't hold my breath on those studies. PS, I've studied the sex industry for a long time. Have yet to see these supposedly well established studies.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Yeah but I didn't attack you rather than your arguments. The ad hominem argument is in the form 'You are uneducated therefore your arguments can't be right.' I never made that argument. I made an additional statement that '"because you are uneducated I now have to do additional work and that is annoying." Clearly you do not understand what an ad hominem is.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic You're right, they're not an ad hominem argument. It's just childish, empty attack, and a way for you to take the focus off the fact you have nothing to back up your absurd claims.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Did you read my post at all. The way the person finds himself in this situation is irrelevant. Lets say he locked himself in the cage. Its still wrong to make him do a dance for a banana. So your objections are not relevant. Yes it is deprevation. He is deprived from sex. He will be socially isolated in that regard. I don't see what relevance his right is. Because it is not his right for sex does not make exploiting them ok
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "Lets say he locked himself in the cage. Its still wrong to make him do a dance for a banana." Yes, it would be wrong to FORCE him to do anything. But forcing someone who is under your physical control to do something is not the same as someone volluntarily seeking out and paying for a service. What makes you think every man who sees a prostitute is deprived?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Because no one in there right mind will pay for a hooker if they can just go have sex with someone else.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "Because no one in there right mind will pay for a hooker if they can just go have sex with someone else." Not true at all. There are many reasons people go to pros: for the discretion, because they don't want the complications of a relationship, because they don't want to put invest too much time and effort, because they want someone who's "out of their league", because they have a kink they're embarassed to reveal to an actual partner, because it's convenient, etc.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Then why is 98% of prostitution females selling to males if those are the reasons to see a prostitute? It should be 50/50 then. No it is the contrived desire created by hormones.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic Yes, hormones and sex drive do likely play a part. That doesn't mean a person can't also see a sex worker, instead of seeking out sex in more traditional ways, for all the reasons I listed. It doesn't necessarily mean he can't get sex any other way. It might just mean he finds it preferable, for all the reasons mentioned.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic hormones and sex drive do play a part. So? Why does that mean a man that goes to a sex worker instead of getting sex in a traditional way must be doing so because he can't get it any other way? He can have a high sex drive, and prefer going to a hooker, for all the reasons i listed.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
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@MissTemperence Then why is 98% of prostitution females selling to males if those are the reasons to see a prostitute? It should be 50/50 then. No it is the contrived desire created by hormones.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@MissTemperence No I don't think so. If those were the reasons there would be just as many women buying prostitutes as men. It has to do with the fact that the man has 20x the sex drive.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic Women's sex drives are different than mens. But that doesn't mean a man can't simply prefer going to a prostitute, for all the reasons I mentioned. A man can have a high sex drive, be able to get sex for free, but prefer the convenience.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Yes I agree with that. However, I do not think it is ok to exploit people. I also think some degrees of exploitation are greater than others. It seems to me that a man buying prostitutes must be suffering some deficit. So I do not think that it is a fair position for the male to be making these choices there is coercion. I think the balance of power in most markets are not like the balance in prostitution. Because men are made retarded by testosterone.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "It seems to me that a man buying prostitutes must be suffering some deficit." I don't think see any basis for that. You would find it demeaning, but clearly not everyone sees it that way. Most people see it as demeaning for the prostitute, after all.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence First, he will want to have sex. Want is desire it is a precieved deficit. But this time it is influenced by drugs. They are drugs you can buy them at a phamacy. And they can be pretty potent drugs.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
They are on natural drugs that they can't just not take.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
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@AEVautomatic "They are on natural drugs that they can't just not take." So? My hormones can make me feel a bonkers too. Every month around the same time I get an intense craving for chocolate and red meat. Is Whole Foods taking advantage of me, selling me steak and cupcakes? If I think it would be fun to hire an escort when I'm single and ovulating, am I being taken advantage of?
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence So the individual’s autonomy is compromised. John is not able to make a sane informed decision because of multiple factors. Plus his state is the result of isolation from an entire group of people. This isolation is a result of group and individual dynamics that are evolutionary in nature. Since it is failing in mating through the conventional social construct it will try to find other strategies to mate. So if the creature is in that state it seems exploitative to exploit that.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "John is not able to make a sane informed decision because of multiple factors." I'd say that's quite a leap. Why, because of testosterone? The vast majority of men are able to control their sexual urges and make decisions that go against their desires. I see no reason to treat a man as a child who can't make his own decisions for himself when it comes to prostitution. And as we've established, it's not necessarily due to isolation.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Yeah but not all men have enough intelligence or experience. If you don’t understand something the right way then you can’t make an informed decision, its not possible. Johns are marks they are taken for all the money they have. They are taken for the money by the woman who uses sex to her advantage. You think this is good for the man ? I don't think we established that. Women isolate the men only mateing with few. Women are never isolated from sex. Almost all is man buying woma
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@AEVautomatic "Yeah but not all men have enough intelligence or experience." That's always going to be true of some people. Some women and men don't have enough intelligence or experience to be making good decisions with their money in general. Some people go into debt buying expensive clothing. But we still let people do what they're going to do. Some women let their hormones control them and go ahead and get pregnant when it's not the best time.
MissTemperence 5 months ago
@MissTemperence yes but again the compromise is testosterone.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago
@MissTemperence Yeah but not all men have enough intelligence or experience. If you don’t understand something the right way then you can’t make an informed decision, its not possible. Johns are marks they are taken for all the money they have. They are taken for the money by the woman who uses sex to her advantage. You think this is good for the man ? I don’t see how that’s established. It is testosterone + isolation. Both things women have little of.
AEVautomatic 5 months ago