SunFoil Science... Raw Experimental Data & Analysis.

[WarblesOnALot]

@ChickenHawk110 G'morning... That's a good question. It began with noticing the 1.5 Litres/Wk saved by the Mk-1. Then I stufffed around getting the Cloud conditions & PV output, & I used the 2-Stroke Generator to get an Instrumented Baseline. Then I got the Figures for the 20 Watt Mk 2 & the Brumby, and the Mk 3. The PVAmp/Hrs per Week vs the Fuel Saved, in all 3 cases was 200-215ml per Amp Hour. The interpolated Results convinced me. Cars make electricity 2.5% - 3.5% Efficiently.

[ChickenHawk110]

Can you answer a question, please, straight to the point and without ambiguity, how did you calculate (with your math too please) that the engine burns 207ml of petrol for every amp hour fed back into the battery? You mention this at 12:30

[WarblesOnALot]

@Yeevvooihon2012 Thankyou. Yay Team ! um, Inbox overflowing, gotta go !

Ciao !

[Yeevvooihon2012]

Excellent. Happy new year.

<3

[WarblesOnALot]

@zombeepictureshow G'day... Wow ! Thankyou, thankyou very much... It's just this really fat & low-hanging fruit, on the Alternative-Energy Tree...; and it annoyed me that so many people believed their Car must be unimproveable, and almost as many think they have a Pepetual Motion Pulley at the front of the Crankshaft... "How could the Battery possibly effect my Fuelburn, the Engine's already turning, so the Alternator runs for free. "!!! Ciao !

[zombeepictureshow]

MSU. Mad Scientist Unite. This is a phenomenal video, I will do a video response to this. This makes me happy.

[WarblesOnALot]

@HHOTruth G'day... Thanks for that. Um, come to my Playlists...? There's one on the SunFoil Project, with Construction Clips... Then, try the Mad-Scientist List... In there is 'Hodgey's Hydrogen Burning Subaru 4WD', & if y' go to the thread under that ; there's a good discussion on how & why to run y'r HHO Unit on Solar Power, rather than the 2.5%-3.5% Fuel-Efficient Alternator... Also, why to have 6 x 2 V. HHO Units, in series, not 1, at 12 V. Ciao !

[HHOTruth]

Your testing is just what most of us do with HHO and H2, But there a lot of naysayers that have not tryed it that say it will not work and fight with us.

I geve you 100+ stars for your work.

[Desertphile]

P.S. This video is awesome: thank you very much for making it.

[WarblesOnALot]

@Desertphile G'day... Whuff ! Um, would they take photopied typescript ? I'm totally uncomputered. I upload from my Phone. The CSIRO Evaluation is featured in 'SunFoil Short-talk' ; & I thought " it isn't Rocket Science", & it isn't Patentable, & not worth Design- Registration Fees either. (make a 10% Change to any dimension to invalidate ; while Any PV, on Any Rack, on Any Vehicle, will do 90% of what mine does ). Bread on the water.

[Desertphile]

@WarblesOnALot ; If you need help writing a paper for peer-review, and/or if you need help knowing where to send the paper to a science journal, then it seems to me nobody should take you seriously. I could be wrong, but until you apply yourself and make the attempt nobody will know if you are.

[Desertphile]

How about you write a paper on the subject and submit it for peer review in a science journal?

[WarblesOnALot]

@htomerif Yeah, it sounds like there's lots of bugs lurking with that one... I reckon the Turbine-Driven Alternator would be the next step, if you had the workshop for it. Chop up a Turbocharger, discard the cold side, compound Reduction-Drive, Shaft to the Alternator Pulley's Plane of Rotation... Then run the Headlights on Exhaust-Gas, and the SunFoil compensates for the short average run-times... I can't see any show-stoppers to it.

[WarblesOnALot]

@htomerif Ah ! I see what y're after ! Hmmmn... Well then, um. Back in the 1950's they invented the Alternator, to cope with the RPM at 2:1 Crankshaft-Speed, to deal with Brakelights, Headlights, Stereo & Demister-Fan... At Idle-RPM, at the Traffic Lights, at night. Modern cars use 3:1 Step-ups, to deal with Overdrive Gearboxes... But, Electric Motors throw their Commutators to bits, at around 8-10,000 RPM. Sad to say...

[htomerif]

@WarblesOnALot The best I can seem to come up with is a brushless treadmill motor. There are also some permanent magnet AC treadmill motors, neither of which have commutators or slip rings, however they arent designed for lots of bouncing, water or road dust. They go up to about 3HP, though Im sure you dont get that at 500rpm. Also the brushless DC motor would need a complete replacement of its internal electronics to allow for any bidirectional flow of electricity.

[WarblesOnALot]

@htomerif G'day... Hmmn, what's a "genuine" hybrid ? Add a SunFoil, save 35% Fuelburn ; my wallet thinks it's real ! The Hi-Beams suck 30 Amps, at 221 Ml/Hour/Amp... Below 10,000 ft AMSL the "Sexy Turbocharging" isn't needed.  So, chop up a Turbo., & power the Alternator via a Redrive. My guess is a Turbo- Electric System would cut out half the remaining fuelburn..! If I had a better workshop I'd try it myself. Much simpler than electrifying the Drive Train..!

[htomerif]

@WarblesOnALot Well I suppose by a hybrid I meant that with a generator/motor in place of an alternator and a bit of electrical engineering you could end up putting solar electrical power back into the drivetrain. Honestly the control electronics are the easy part. Finding an appropriate motor is the hard bit. Ill probably send a message where I can put in more than 500 characters if thats alright.

[WarblesOnALot]

@htomerif Ah, thìs all started when I got a 1 Watt PV for Father's Day. Supposed to charge via the Lighter-Socket & Accessory Circuit, but was too tiny. If the Aerodynamics are THAT crappy, why not stick a flat-edged PV on a simple rack, with a Regulator somewhere between it and the Battery..? The idea is for 2 hours Sun, or 10 hrs Rain, to give the full Daily Static Recharge.... Mine needs 3.68 A/H per day, and the PV is 1.7 Amps, rated at 47 Deg. C. Nice Easy Maths !

[htomerif]

@WarblesOnALot I have a tendency to get a bit too involved in projects and overdesign things. Now I'm thinking about finding some kind of motor and replacing the alternator all together. SUV's are crap for aerodynamics, but have a lot of roof space. If I had a couple of hundred or so watt panels and a few large batteries, I might be able to work the electronics into making it a genuine solar electric hybrid. Most motors arent designed for the rough conditions in an engine bay though.

[WarblesOnALot]

@htomerif G'day... Well, the Alternator needs to be there, for headlights at night. But it's Output is dependant on Battery Voltage, and it's Torque required varies with it's output. The Alternator's Regulator does it all, thumps the Amps in when Batt's flat, and tapers the charge when Batt. Voltage rises. It takes 45 minutes average runtime to keep the Battery 90% charged, and the SunFoil has it 100% full (minus sulphation since Sundown) at each Startup.

[htomerif]

@WarblesOnALot I've got a medium sized SUV, and its as aerodynamic as a brick. I've been thinking of just adding a second power jack that bypasses the key switch and goes straight to the battery. Im afraid no amount of aerodynamics will help it, but at least that way I could plug a solar panel into the power jack and leave it on the dash or beneath the sun roof. It doesn't get driven much and it probably eats a lot of gas to recharge the battery each time.

[htomerif]

I'm a bit confused about weather or not you have the alternator simply disconnected from the car and are running on battery? My memory is a bit fuzzy, but it seems to me that even at idle, a car alternator will dump 10 or more amps into the battery constantly just wasted to heat, but I dont think youd get far with it disconnected. maybe more modern alternators are smarter about it.

[WarblesOnALot]

@muddymuddymuddman G'day... Thanks for that ! It's a pleasure to hear from one who recognises Science, even done by a Hillbilly... The Magnetic Orientation is that of the Battery Plates, the Clip Description goes into it somewhat. I grew sick of Doubters claiming I hadn't covered & measured all the variables... That'll learn 'em ! If y'd like to wallow in the Project, search 'sunfoil' & there's over a dozen clips, covers Hailstones, thru the Kangaroos, & Solar-Thermal Ramjets !

[muddymuddymuddmann]

SWEET BIT OF WORK THERE WARBLES. NICE RESEARCH, AND DATA LOGGING. I LOVE THE FIELD ORIENTAION RESULTS AS WELL.

ONE QUESTION. IS IT THE ORIENTATION OF THE CAR, OR THE ORIENTATION OF THE BATTERY'S PLATES TO THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD THAT REACTS IN THE DATA SO WELL? CONGRATULATIONS ON THE ATTENSION TO DETAIL AND STEPS TAKEN TO SHOW THE FULL REALIZATION OF THIS EXPERIMENT. MOST WOULDNT HAVE FIGURED IN ALL THE EFFECTS THAT YOU INCORPORATED INTO THIS.

GREAT WORK. MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU.

MUDDy

[WarblesOnALot]

@magna59 Thankyou... Ley lines, ummm, that's one I hadn 't considered..! But the orientation of the plates to

N/S is having the same effect wherever I go, and if ya check the 'solar powered fire extinguisher', the battery there spent 6 months in the Housebank, it came from the dump prior to that, and had a year just sitting (aligned) on the ground before going back into use... That's theoretically impossible, but yestidy it put 50 PSI into the Wormald !

[magna59]

Very impressive. The battery orintation start to come across a little lay line.....but if its a result you found....it's a result.

[WarblesOnALot]

@Godsson1dfl Thankyou. I wanted to prove the point, & to show that Science isn't found ONLY in Universities... And, offer a way to waste less, & make less mess. With luck, it'll catch on !

[Godsson1dful]

Well done and well said! It's a very well documented experiment which has been turned from theory to fact. It is also good to keep the educated Morons in there place. Well done!