So this is a *pure blood* betazoid -- who has a keen telepathic (or whatever) sense of what the beings around her are feeling, but somehow or other, doesn't have any awareness at all of the fact that Picard is totally uncomfortable and repelled by her sexual advances and would rather be throwing himself out the nearest airlock than be in her presence?
She's more useless than her freaking daughter, who's also totally useless.
@iammadness But if that were the case -- if that was the point that the writers were trying to make, there have been any number of scenes between Troi and her Mother where that point could have been made clearly -- where she could have asked her Mom, in effect -- you know perfectly well that you're making him incredibly uncomfortable. In fact, it's obvious to *non* Betazoids that that Captain is uncomfortable with these advances. Why do you keep doing it, Mom?
@iammadness This isn't a question of subtlety. If someone is going to advance a particular interpretation, there has to be *something* on the screen to justify it -- not just in your own imagination. There are numerous scenes with the Mom and Troi, with the Mom and Picard and there's just nothing to suggest, at any point, that Mom is mining some secret desire of Picard's.
It's fine for a character to have some desire that's secret to him -- but the storyteller can't keep it secret to us.
(cont'd) (2) And if the point of all of this is that Picard secretly does desire Lwaxana and won't admit it, then at some point the *story* has to show us that somehow *on screen,* it can't simply be invisible on screen and left to our imagination to make it so in order to justify some rather clumsy characterization.
If the point is that she "seems* one way but is actually another, you can't just show the "seems" and have us infer the *other.*
@prodprod Since when do people need proof of anything to believe it? XD Also it's a show just enjoy it. No one knows why she behaved this way and the only two who might tell us (Roddenberry or Barrett) are dead. Maybe it was solely for the sake of humor.
@iammadness If you choose to believe something about ST or anything else without any reason, then by all means believe it - but don't go around *arguing* it as if you have a reason. If you want to argue your position, you need reasons to support it.
And the way a writer establishes the reason for something in a story (if it matters) - is to put it in the story.
So either Lwaxana's behavior doesn't matter - or it should be explicable within the stories.
@prodprod *sigh* I wasn't arguing to begin with. My first comment was more of a suggestion and an opinion. YOU started to argue with ME. And now I no longer care why she behaves the way she does.
Telepathy apparently can't reawaken a sense of cognitive dissonance that's been thoroughly suppressed. This is common in cultists and political extremists, as well -- despite the facts being indisputable to any neutral observer, the afflicted will cling to their long-disproven view, maintaining, "I have failed my position," rather than the more rational, "this position turned out to be wrong."
More succinctly, "He wants me, he just doesn't know it yet." Or, just, "incorrigible."
this has to be one of the funniest episode on TNG. however the real kicker is 10 seconds later when they left the room
hafa123 1 week ago
and now we know. if a woman is annoying you, call your nerd friend over and bore her to death!
imanerd000 3 weeks ago
Picard trollface at 2:54
Museite 1 month ago
Data is just pulling our legs. He gets what a joke is. Oh well done.
TheTwistedDiamond 1 month ago
I would have just shagged her to just get out of there!
2490debrick 1 month ago
@2490debrick That would have made things worse. Picard wouldn't be safe anywhere from her. Not even Q would help him then.
chrismc410 1 month ago
response to anyone asking about her black eyes: Its a Betazoid trait. they all have totally black irises. troi does too.
AgentStark427 2 months ago
So this is a *pure blood* betazoid -- who has a keen telepathic (or whatever) sense of what the beings around her are feeling, but somehow or other, doesn't have any awareness at all of the fact that Picard is totally uncomfortable and repelled by her sexual advances and would rather be throwing himself out the nearest airlock than be in her presence?
She's more useless than her freaking daughter, who's also totally useless.
prodprod 2 months ago 3
@prodprod You do have a point.
pyramid2012 2 months ago
@prodprod
Maybe she knew something you didn't, and that Picard would never admit to:p
After all, surface poise and unconscious emotions are two separate considerations!
lowenklee 1 month ago
@prodprod I think she just likes to make people uncomfortable.
iammadness 1 month ago
@iammadness But if that were the case -- if that was the point that the writers were trying to make, there have been any number of scenes between Troi and her Mother where that point could have been made clearly -- where she could have asked her Mom, in effect -- you know perfectly well that you're making him incredibly uncomfortable. In fact, it's obvious to *non* Betazoids that that Captain is uncomfortable with these advances. Why do you keep doing it, Mom?
But that never happens.
prodprod 1 month ago
@prodprod Because things should be spelled out to the point there is no subtlety? Why?
iammadness 1 month ago
@iammadness This isn't a question of subtlety. If someone is going to advance a particular interpretation, there has to be *something* on the screen to justify it -- not just in your own imagination. There are numerous scenes with the Mom and Troi, with the Mom and Picard and there's just nothing to suggest, at any point, that Mom is mining some secret desire of Picard's.
It's fine for a character to have some desire that's secret to him -- but the storyteller can't keep it secret to us.
prodprod 1 month ago
(cont'd) (2) And if the point of all of this is that Picard secretly does desire Lwaxana and won't admit it, then at some point the *story* has to show us that somehow *on screen,* it can't simply be invisible on screen and left to our imagination to make it so in order to justify some rather clumsy characterization.
If the point is that she "seems* one way but is actually another, you can't just show the "seems" and have us infer the *other.*
You actually have to show the "other" side.
prodprod 1 month ago
@prodprod Since when do people need proof of anything to believe it? XD Also it's a show just enjoy it. No one knows why she behaved this way and the only two who might tell us (Roddenberry or Barrett) are dead. Maybe it was solely for the sake of humor.
iammadness 1 month ago
@iammadness If you choose to believe something about ST or anything else without any reason, then by all means believe it - but don't go around *arguing* it as if you have a reason. If you want to argue your position, you need reasons to support it.
And the way a writer establishes the reason for something in a story (if it matters) - is to put it in the story.
So either Lwaxana's behavior doesn't matter - or it should be explicable within the stories.
And I do enjoy ST - when it works.
prodprod 1 month ago
@prodprod *sigh* I wasn't arguing to begin with. My first comment was more of a suggestion and an opinion. YOU started to argue with ME. And now I no longer care why she behaves the way she does.
iammadness 1 month ago
is it me or are her eyes black as night................they look a little weird.
orealcookie1989 2 months ago
DATA AWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
TheSevanthNinja 3 months ago
I'd a kicked Picard out and went to bed with Data.
TheAtheistFuture 4 months ago
Telepathy apparently can't reawaken a sense of cognitive dissonance that's been thoroughly suppressed. This is common in cultists and political extremists, as well -- despite the facts being indisputable to any neutral observer, the afflicted will cling to their long-disproven view, maintaining, "I have failed my position," rather than the more rational, "this position turned out to be wrong."
More succinctly, "He wants me, he just doesn't know it yet." Or, just, "incorrigible."
haladacara 6 months ago
@haladacara Maybe telepathic powers weaken with age XD
iammadness 1 month ago
This is picards version of Quantum Torpedo"s.
asuch874 6 months ago
She's a mind reader, then wouldn't she see, read or sense or whatever Picard's plot is about? Hahaha.
Some women just can't seem to ever understand you're not interested in them.
ceeqanguel 6 months ago
Is it just me, or did Data seem almost...EAGER...when Picard asked him to join them?
sousaphonist 7 months ago
@sousaphonist He did. He also sounded enthusiastic when Picard asked him to talk about brown dwarf stars.
INTPTT 4 months ago
Hehehe, this is how a man fights back. Pretend to love whatever she says is boring and get someone who won't shut up about it.
VotePaineJefferson 7 months ago 6
Data capable of detecting anything...but sarcasm.
IIIIandrew 7 months ago
Picard is brilliant, lol.
genobahamut1337 8 months ago
daaaaayuuum where was data when i met my ex????
SmokusMaximus420 8 months ago 9