parenti and Chomsky dont see eye to eye.. Parenti has said Chomsky is too heavily infleunced by the same corporate media he like to criticise and I actually with that especially seen how chomsky has commented on the Libyan crisis for example..
Chomsky said there was a "strong support" for getting rid of Ghadaffi.. ahahah no there wasn't. The Pro-Ghadaffi supporters outnumbered the anti-Ghadaffi many times over.. THe anti-Ghadaffi were just islamic militants/terrorists armed and financed by the CIA.. They had almost no public support, other than the old tribes loyal to the monarchy Ghadaffi overthrow.. Parenti is superior in that regard, he is more aware of US imperalist tactics..
strong support means just that.. So there was no strong support unless you count a bunch of CIA recruted slaughteres and a bunch of monarchical tribes.. They would have been DESTROYED by the pro-ghadaffi people in less than a day if it wasn't for NATO "humanatarain" bombardment and slaughter of over 50,000 Libyans.
@xMaXiMuSx numerous nations supported the overthrow of Gaddafi. when he says "strong support," he partially means international support, not just support of the people in Libya itself
when you say "numerous nations" you mean US puppets.. The fact is NO one really supported it, especially those who knows it's a CIA operation all the way..
There was no "support of the people in Libya".. Islamic CIA controlled terorrists and a bunch of tribesman loyal to the old monarchy(maybe about 10% of the population) is not "support of the people:.
@xMaXiMuSx i can find information about Parenti talking about how NATO was used by the US to overthrow the Libyan government and privatize the economy, but I can't find anything he's said about CIA supporting the anti-Gaddafi forces. do you have a link?
I think that's pretty obvious by now.. One of the main rebel leaders was from Virginia, that was public news..Who gave them the weapon? I dont think privatizing is the right word. Privatization is a voluntary contract. It's more like stealing and looting and destroying..
@xMaXiMuSx i listened to them both talk about Libya and i can't figure out a difference between their viewpoints. do you have any source for him saying that the CIA created/backed the anti-Gaddafi forces?
the viewpoints sifference is that chomsky thinks that the overthrow of ghadaffi had "strong support".. He seems competely clueless that it didn't and it was a CIA operation all the way.. basically the same disagreements they have about Yugoslavia where Parenti's knowledge of what happened in yugoslavia is vastly superior to that of Chomsky..
no parenti didn't say. I think you misunderstood me that but I'm talking overall.. It's pretty obvious now though.. Hopefully parenti will have a presenation about Libya like he is having one here on Yugoslavia.
@xMaXiMuSx does PArenti say that there was not strong support for the anti-Gaddafi forces? sorry about asking a million questions, but i can't figure out the difference in their opinions on libya.
difference is that Parenti basically questions the media reports, because they are probably lying like they did about Yugoslavia.. Chomsky for whatever reason said that there was "strong support" for getting rid of Ghadaffi which is an outright lie..
no my dispute with Chomsky is that he is clueless with regards to the Libyan conflict.. he think it's a "spontaneous uprisisng" against an "evil dictator".. Nonsense.. It's a US operation all the way..
When he talks about the appropriation of resources from places like the Phillipines I started to think about the products I now have in my cupboard that I never had twenty years ago like coconut oil and Yerba Mate tea from Southeast Asia and Southeast S. America respectively. Supply really does create demand. It keeps the circulation of M-C-M going.
I think it was the threat of the first Socialist society that prevented the US from turning into a third world capitalist country. With the example set by the Soviet Union and their advancement into Western Europe after 1945, the capitalist class needed to keep workers on side. So, they handed them a few crumbs in the form of subsidized housing, welfare programs, unemployment benefits, collective bargaining, occupaitonal safety etc.... It wasn't conceded in response to democratic struggle..
@dialectical44 there is some truth to what you say, but this statement - "It wasn't conceded in response to democratic struggle" - is false. child labor wasn't ended because the "capitalists handed [the people] a few crumbs," it was ended because of the labor struggles of the early 1900s, i.e. Mother Jones marching child laborers to protest outside the home of Theodore Roosevelt, etc.
f.y.i. everyone, i suggest also listening to Parenti's "Conspiracy AND Class Power" (watch?v=O9DoQMMBY_Y)
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
it wouldve been DeweyZinnChomskyParenti if it werent too many letters...
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 1 month ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
parenti and Chomsky dont see eye to eye.. Parenti has said Chomsky is too heavily infleunced by the same corporate media he like to criticise and I actually with that especially seen how chomsky has commented on the Libyan crisis for example..
xMaXiMuSx 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx i don't expect two separate people to share the exact same viewpoints.
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx p.s. what problem do you have with chomsky's view on libya?
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
Chomsky said there was a "strong support" for getting rid of Ghadaffi.. ahahah no there wasn't. The Pro-Ghadaffi supporters outnumbered the anti-Ghadaffi many times over.. THe anti-Ghadaffi were just islamic militants/terrorists armed and financed by the CIA.. They had almost no public support, other than the old tribes loyal to the monarchy Ghadaffi overthrow.. Parenti is superior in that regard, he is more aware of US imperalist tactics..
xMaXiMuSx 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx "strong support" doesn't mean "majority"
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
strong support means just that.. So there was no strong support unless you count a bunch of CIA recruted slaughteres and a bunch of monarchical tribes.. They would have been DESTROYED by the pro-ghadaffi people in less than a day if it wasn't for NATO "humanatarain" bombardment and slaughter of over 50,000 Libyans.
xMaXiMuSx 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx numerous nations supported the overthrow of Gaddafi. when he says "strong support," he partially means international support, not just support of the people in Libya itself
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
when you say "numerous nations" you mean US puppets.. The fact is NO one really supported it, especially those who knows it's a CIA operation all the way..
There was no "support of the people in Libya".. Islamic CIA controlled terorrists and a bunch of tribesman loyal to the old monarchy(maybe about 10% of the population) is not "support of the people:.
xMaXiMuSx 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx France, etc. are extremely influenced by US policy, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them "US puppets."
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
Sarkozy is a total US puppet, comes from a CIA family. Maybe Chirac who opposed US policy would have have been against this.
xMaXiMuSx 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx i can find information about Parenti talking about how NATO was used by the US to overthrow the Libyan government and privatize the economy, but I can't find anything he's said about CIA supporting the anti-Gaddafi forces. do you have a link?
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
I think that's pretty obvious by now.. One of the main rebel leaders was from Virginia, that was public news..Who gave them the weapon? I dont think privatizing is the right word. Privatization is a voluntary contract. It's more like stealing and looting and destroying..
xMaXiMuSx 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx i listened to them both talk about Libya and i can't figure out a difference between their viewpoints. do you have any source for him saying that the CIA created/backed the anti-Gaddafi forces?
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
the viewpoints sifference is that chomsky thinks that the overthrow of ghadaffi had "strong support".. He seems competely clueless that it didn't and it was a CIA operation all the way.. basically the same disagreements they have about Yugoslavia where Parenti's knowledge of what happened in yugoslavia is vastly superior to that of Chomsky..
xMaXiMuSx 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx it's hard to take you seriously since you refuse to give a source
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
what do you mean?? just google it, it's all over the place. Guy was 20 years in Virginia.
xMaXiMuSx 3 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx i can't find anything on Google about Parenti saying that the anti-Gaddafi forces were CIA-backed
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 2 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
no parenti didn't say. I think you misunderstood me that but I'm talking overall.. It's pretty obvious now though.. Hopefully parenti will have a presenation about Libya like he is having one here on Yugoslavia.
xMaXiMuSx 2 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx does PArenti say that there was not strong support for the anti-Gaddafi forces? sorry about asking a million questions, but i can't figure out the difference in their opinions on libya.
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 2 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
difference is that Parenti basically questions the media reports, because they are probably lying like they did about Yugoslavia.. Chomsky for whatever reason said that there was "strong support" for getting rid of Ghadaffi which is an outright lie..
xMaXiMuSx 2 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx support by the US and UN seems strong to me
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 2 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
lol.. I hope that that was a joke.. It's about support from within his own country not what a bunch of imperialist organizations think.
xMaXiMuSx 2 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx did he say "strong support" or "strong support from within Gaddafi's own country?"
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 2 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
well obviously he must have meant strong support from within Gaddafi's own country because because everything else is NOT relevant.
xMaXiMuSx 2 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx your dispute with Chomsky is over semantics
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 2 weeks ago
@DeweyZinnChomskyFisk
no my dispute with Chomsky is that he is clueless with regards to the Libyan conflict.. he think it's a "spontaneous uprisisng" against an "evil dictator".. Nonsense.. It's a US operation all the way..
xMaXiMuSx 2 weeks ago
@xMaXiMuSx source?
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 2 weeks ago
thanks for uploading
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 1 month ago
Michael is one of the few voices out there who really tells it like it is. It's a wonder that they allow him to live.
Truthseaker001 1 month ago
@Truthseaker001 they don't need to kill him to keep the majority of people from listening to him
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
When he talks about the appropriation of resources from places like the Phillipines I started to think about the products I now have in my cupboard that I never had twenty years ago like coconut oil and Yerba Mate tea from Southeast Asia and Southeast S. America respectively. Supply really does create demand. It keeps the circulation of M-C-M going.
dialectical44 2 months ago
" I feel we're getting screwed, and not very well" :- )
dialectical44 2 months ago
I think it was the threat of the first Socialist society that prevented the US from turning into a third world capitalist country. With the example set by the Soviet Union and their advancement into Western Europe after 1945, the capitalist class needed to keep workers on side. So, they handed them a few crumbs in the form of subsidized housing, welfare programs, unemployment benefits, collective bargaining, occupaitonal safety etc.... It wasn't conceded in response to democratic struggle..
dialectical44 2 months ago
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@dialectical44 there is some truth to what you say, but this statement - "It wasn't conceded in response to democratic struggle" - is false. child labor wasn't ended because the "capitalists handed [the people] a few crumbs," it was ended because of the labor struggles of the early 1900s, i.e. Mother Jones marching child laborers to protest outside the home of Theodore Roosevelt, etc.
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 3 weeks ago
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