Just bought a DD m4 and I love it for a 16" barrel it is extremely accurate. I set mine up with an eotech and magpul irons. And it came with an adjustable foregrip. At 200 yards it put 100 rounds in a baseball. However that was supported of course but to me that's amazing and speaks a lot to the quality of the firearm.
Nice video , it's really shows how the U.S went from the m16 a nice gun but not very reliable, to the m4 and m16a4 completely reliable weapons that make the ak-47 look like a peace of crap.
First of all the hk416 costs on average more than 3x as much money if you can get one. second I don't see hk blowing up there guns or throwing them out a helicopter - at all. Talk is cheap.
The video is cool but I was expecting to see the helicopter reach a decent altitude. Thanks to DD for filming it though.
@grapplingtech77 Never said it was. I think the SCAR would be a better choice for a modern rifle. I held one briefly and it didn't feel that heavy. Maybe the weight comes from the rails? Every new weapon fielded has bugs. It is grossly overpriced though.
@The3bood8 omg.... wow... first off... spell concrete again for me... second off...spell bury again for me... and really?? a southern thunder explosion wasn't big enough huh? It doesnt take an explosion to crack an hk 416.. just takes a cold Norweign winter.. go ahead.. ask on of their soldiers...
@combatkustoms Not true, the Colt I used in the Army was crap. Couldn't cycle a mag with out a double feed with range conditions. Not only myself but several other soldiers had issues with their M-4s. Also the Daniel Defense goes for 1000 to 1500. You just trying to make yourself feel better about your crap purchase?
Vickers is kind of a fat dork but I loved the video... Tell vickers to stop trying so hard to be cool, I'm buying another one of your rifles too by the way. Keep making superior firearms.
@shadowcast27 Vickers was a Delta Force operator who participated in Operation Acid Gambit & did a lot of SCUD busting in the deserts of Iraq in Desert Storm. I'm not sure but he may have been in Gothic Serpent too. He may look like shit now but I'm fairly sure his feet have more mileage on them than my feet and your feet combined. If he told me anything about military arms I would listen to it like it was coming from a burning bush.
They shouldn't have sealed the barrel shut. It combat, I highly doubt people would be using barrel covers. They also forgot a very important test: sustained fire. I doubt it would survive more than 3 C-Mags.
@MonkeyMasher1 A lot of soldiers cover their muzzle, they've been doing since to my knowledge, WWII. Yes it could survive 3 Beta mags easy, there is a video of a Colt M4 firing as I recall over 1,000 rounds of continuous full auto before stopping. If you think that's bad, think about it, when does a soldier fire that many rounds in a single engagement? An AK's wood grips would have caught fire before then.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I've read stories of people in Iraq and Afghanistan getting in close engagements and burning through upwards of 15 mags and the chambers and gas tubes get so hot that primers start popping and the gun starts going ape shit so they have to get another one.
@MonkeyMasher1 The primers don't pop, the powder would just cook off in the chamber. Even so, no gun would be immune to cook offs after so many rounds but the M4 could survive just 450 rounds without a problem.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I don't think the gas tube would be able to hold it down. I saw a picture of a guys M4 and he said he was putting some 500 rounds through it and the gas tube just died.
@MonkeyMasher1 If you look at the way it was fired, it was continuous full auto with hardly a break. Real life the weapons are fired 99% of the time on semi auto and it would involve taking cover, moving, waiting for a target, etc. Take it from the professionals such as Delta Force and the Navy SEALs who carry M4s.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I don't like cartridges any smaller than 7.62x39. I could care less about the stopping power and ballistics of the .223/5.56, .22, .243, etc, but the recoil is just too little and I'm not comfortable holding an M4/AR15
@MonkeyMasher1 That's lousy experience, I own one complete rifle and have a AR 15 stripped receiver waiting to be built. I go shooting more than that with just my handgun.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I can only do it with my friend, who I see a couple times a year because he's the only guy I know who owns one. My other buddy is getting one before the semester finishes and I'm planning on a Vz.58
@FiveTwoSevenTHR It's perspective. This is the equivalent of me saying the Glock 17 is better than the Springfield XD. They're not. Sure it actually isn't as ergonomic, but I'm still more comfortable shooting the AK than the AR, as long as there is no folding stock one it. This is why I try not to get into arguments why which gun is better. There really is no correct answer. It's all in the hands of the shooter.
I get it, you put the rifle through a lot. But it seemed like they were more worried about an optic and it's operation than actually testing the function of the rifle. In a combative situation I doubt that one would have a barrel cover. Why not do a forward dump, rack the bolt, and remote-fire the weapon? I would like to see almost like an obstacle course that would challenge the weapon as well as the operator. Mud/dirt/water drags, falls from height, falls/ drops/dings onto surfaces. Swimming
@antiigravity you obviously dont know the anatomy of explosions. And im a die hard fan of AK's and AK variants, and i admit this IS thee "AK" of M4's.
The entire test is a lame joke. How did that post end up right beside the M4 after that huge explosion? It wasn't bent, scorched or even moved away from the gun. And there was no hole in the ground. An explosion of that size would have shot that rifle, post and and all, over top of those trees in the background. But it barely moved 2 feet. You people should be ashamed putting out such ridiculous garbage. The sling on the rifle wasn't even torn off the rifle in that explosion. Steel sling?
LMAO That's not a freaking torture test..it's a joke, a commercial - for naive inexperienced civilians. Taping the muzzle before submerging the rifle into water? Then take it out, rack it, drain it for 2 seconds, muzzle down? Barely putting dirt on it with the ejection cover closed? Sand and small rocks is what responsible for a lot of stoppages on AR. The gooey substance that forms from lube, debris and return gasses (NOT after 1 magazine) because most AR's should only run wet.
@antiigravity oh gosh.... yeah.... drop it out of a helicopter and blow it up.... but it's not reliable cause that little bit of tape on the end......................... some of these comments put me on suicide watch.... oh btw... the majority of AR stoppages were bad magazine feeds... switch to pmags...
@grapplingtech77 While a portion of this video might be truthful, you have to remember, this is an ADVERTISEMENT. That automatically takes away legitimacy.
America's Hollywood TV throws AR on the grass? Why not throw it into a pool filled with pretty chicks? o_O Like in Hollywood. Lube only attracts more dirt and dust. But most of all, the stoppages depend on the environment, M4/M16 aren't all weather rifles like the AK.
Hit by a bird shot? I'm impressed. Yeah like I'm gonna be shot with a bird-shot at my rifle. A rifle/pistol round, or shrapnel at best. The AR has inherent faulty design with it's ALUMINUM receiver, 2 parts that are held together by a PIN ! The truck drove on the rifle? It drove on it's fore-grip, the most durable part of AR, not on the receiver. Russians during AK tests drop it on concrete, since that's what exactly happens in real life.
Aw man... Thank you Daniel Defense for adding the AIMPOINT MICRO in your torture test... I'm buying me an AIMPOINT MICRO and it's going on my "Suchka"..
This almost seems more like an aimpoint torture test than a DD torture test. That being said, I have one of their weapons, and I'm am very satisfied with it. In my opinion it's just as good if not better than an LWRC at a fraction of the cost.
@DinoHunter2 Totally agree. Both are reliable and the run of the mill AK is accurate enough under 150 yards. After 150 yards the AR wins hands down and begins to embarrass the AK. The thought that great accuracy at longer distance is unimportant just because most fights are at shorter range is absolute lunacy. Better to have that accuracy for "when and if" that day comes. Anyone who discredits the ability of good accuracy at long range must not value their life very much IMO. Good observation.
@esh325 "Probably Haven't shot an AK"?? Come on man., are yo shitting me? You know what they say about "u" and "me" when you assume, don't you? Brother, I have shot and trained with more battle rifles than the Taliban. If you want precision hits when a man sized target looks like a speck in the distance, leave the rattle bucket at home and use an AR. Period. Nuff said.
I'm impressed, but say you're going along and come up on this river. You slip in and your weapon submerges. You didn't have time to tape over that barrel while you were falling in and when comes time to make that gun go bang, it goes bang right in your face. I know thats a one in a million chance, but if it were me, I wouldn't want to have to worry about taping my barrel over all the time if I happened across some water. Still a good gun.
@Slalomer08 omg... you people kill me... all you have to do is tilt it back... rack it back.. water drains.. and gun goes bang... it takes about 5 seconds.. what do you think the SF teams did and do when they carry DI guns on operations that involve water.?? that question is rhetorical by the way..
@grapplingtech77 oh absolutely, I'm just saying, sometime, somewhere, somebody isn't going to have 5 seconds. I'm just being an ass though. I guess I just want to see the absolutely perfect firearm.
Recently on Sons of Guns a guy wanted them to build an AR that was super reliable because his guys that worked security had real trouble with their M4's in the fine Nevada sand. He said he hadn't seen anything on the market that sparked his interest so he came to Red Jacket for them to build him one. He obviously hasn't seen this video.
AK lovers need to tune in. Being an "AK Hugger" is fine but fact is comparing an AK and an AR is like comparing a Hugo and a Mustang. Yeah, they'll both get you there but which ride do you want to show up to the Prom driving? I want extreme reliability AND surgical accuracy past 300 yrds....I want an AR, Period! One guy here said that accuracy past 300 yrds is unimportant! What!? Oh, and AR's can be had with a piston system too. Not to mention a diverse array of calibers, unlike an AK. Sorry :(
Any time the AR haters start running their pie holes about this weapon's "lack of reliability", just show them this video. That should shut their pickle suckers! I've trained my fair share of guys on an M4 over 17 yrs and this even impressed me. The AR platform is one tuff SOB, period! Now some "AK hugger" is going to write me back blasting off about his gun being "better".....Just save it, princess. Let's take a trip to the 600 yard line and we'll see who walks away with a :). AR's ROCK!
@antiigravity OK. The AR platform will be more accurate than an AK in Stalingrad too. Good point. Better take good cover. The AR can thread that needle when it counts. All you an do with an AK is "hope for the best" when accuracy is paramount to making the kill shot.
@GLOCKCOPG23 A rifle will only shoot as good as the man behind it. If you're a poor shot, then it doesn't matter what rifle you have. If "hope for the best" when you're shooting an AK, then you're a poor shot. You should know where your bullets are going.
@esh325 I don't want to argue w/ you but facts are facts. Your quote, "A rifle will only shoot as good as the man behind it." Nope. The greatest marksman in the world cannot make an AK shoot like an AR at distance. The average AK floating around out there is flat out incapable. Face reality. Fact: At 300 plus yards with an AK, "HOPE FOR THE BEST". The precision is NOT there. Marksmanship cannot offset inherit inaccuracy. Love your AK but know it's limitations. At distance it's Done and Over.
@GLOCKCOPG23 A 7.62x39 AK will have difficulty beyond 300 yards because of the drop. You could zero your scope for 400 yards to compensate for this. An AK-74 however, can go beyond 300m's because of the better ballistics of the round.
@esh325 An Ak will have difficulty past 300 yards not just because of the drop of the round but also because of the loose tolerances of the firearm platform itself. Bottom line an AK is as reliable as it gets but an AR will stack it's groups in tiny little clusters near and far. The AK's accuracy fall apart past 150-200 yards. Historically combat has been a short range proposition. Lately combat ranges are stretching across the sand. The AR can handle it all. AK's are cool though.
@GLOCKCOPG23 Why does "loose tolerances" come into affect at 300 yards but not close up? How is "loose tolerances" dependent on range? The sights (if you're using sights) and the drop of the 7.62x39 is a better explanation and is actually very physically apparent. Loose tolerances is not.
@esh325 Ok, I'm calling on your common sense here. The AK's loose tolerances allow it to have great reliability and lends to "descent enough" accuracy (not great to begin with) for the "typical" combat ranges of the past. It is a sad fact that the "typical" combat range is widening in the deserts of the middle east. The AK's groups open up over distance just like any other weapon but the groups were not as small as an AR's to begin with. So the accuracy ratio grows as the distance grows.
@esh325 As a foot note, your average combat optic will run out of range adjustment long before you can make a 7.62x39 hit the broad side of a school bus at distance. You would have to just lob them in the general direction which most of the sand diggers do. Don't get me wrong, I like an AK and own several but when it comes down to hitting something very small, very far away, I will grab one of my AR's every time. Hey, I didn't write the laws of physics but I have to obey them. Happy shooting.
@esh325 The vast majority of those "Russian optics" you cited are for LARGER rounds than the 7.62x39. Research the Draganov for further on the subject. The 7.62x39 never has and never will shoot as flat as a 5.56. The AK 47 never has nor ever will be made to the tight tolerances of the AR therefore it will remain the less accurate slave of it's loose design.
@GLOCKCOPG23 "The U.S. Army determined that the average soldier will only hit a man size target 10% of the time at 300 meters with the M16A2 rifle." How will you hit something extremely small then?
@esh325 Do you debate the fact that the 5.56 shoots flatter than the 7.62x39? Do you debate the fact that the AR is made to tighter tolerances which is the main factor of it having better inherit accuracy than an AK. There is no debate on either fact. Like I said, I like an AK but it nor it's round will do for work "way out there".
@GLOCKCOPG23 I don't debate the fact the 5.56x45 shoots flatter. That is a fact which can be easily measurable and is readily apparent. Loose tolerances is not something easily measurable or readily apparent. I've owned AK's for years. And if somebody told me "Show me the loose tolerances on the AK". I wouldn't be able to give them a straight answer.
Another luxury rifle ? Hk ,lwrc,dd, and others clearly fail on this complete water submersion test. Like always they shake it off for 3sec,drain for 3s,and finally shoot after 5s?whats up with that?whats the point of doing the water test if youre not going to commit? Just saying,only rifle ive seen do this water test successfully,sigsauer.!!
You should do the test without tape an just tip barrel forward and check chamber for obstructions. No Aks are not piles of shit I own one. But I think AR/m4 have the reputation for being piles I shit so it's nice to see someone showing a test that they are not....they make great rails, running the 12" literail on my BCM 14.5" midy.
Not that this inst fun to watch but when its not being compared against another ARs as a benchmark for performance the results are rather meaningless.
I think it's funny when people try to compare the AK to the AR. AK is more reliable by design, you can spin me your shit or whatever but the simple fact is the AK is designed to be much more reliable. Bury an AR for 18 years and see if it still works, it's been done with AKs. Also before anyone gets to accuracy I want to say AR is more accurate at longer range, but in modern combat it really doesnt matter, most engagements are under 300 yards, perfect for any AK. Oh and you can get an AK in 5.56
@acidburn134 Accuracy past 300 yrds doesn't matter in "modern combat"? Really? The DOD opened an investigation about head shots being taken on insurgents at 4-600 yards by US Marines because our boys were being accused of executing the enemy. Try that with your AK. Besides even if it were accurate enough (which it is NOT) the rainbow trajectory of the 7.62x39 would require about an 9" rear sight!. I can see your point about accuracy being nonimportant past 300 yards! Sound like a job for an AR!
Right, okay stop trolling you aren't fooling anyone, but yourself maybe. Also AK's aren't just chambered in 7.62, and if you consider most are in bad condition using ammo that is in even worse condition, then you will probably see why most aren't so accurate in combat. If you take a new AK in a similar chambering to .223/5.56 you will see it will be comparable to a 16" AR. AR's suck with pistons, maybe you should learn about carrier tilt and how bad metal shaves.
@acidburn134 When you get back from Fantasy Land, let us know. AK's are LOOSELY built, that's why they are about as accurate as my kid's sling shot. Excuses about bad ammo and guns in bad condition are just that...Excuses.. Are AK's chambered in the array of choices as an AR. NO!. AR's "suck with pistons, carrier tilt, metal shavings"?? Maybe you should brush up on how these things have been addressed and are a non issue. Engineers get paid way more than you. Great 20 year old info though.
You must be 12 so I'll try to make it simple. AK's internally are loose yes, this is to increase reliability. AKs however are still capable of shooting submoa at 100 yards. Maybe you should take that safe queen and go shoot it. If a shooter can't shoot an AK accurately well then it's on the shooter. Thank you however for proving your ignorance and complete lack of firearms knowledge.
@acidburn134 One more point. Let's go with your excuse about AK's having poor accuracy due to most of the guns being old and worn or whatever. Take a Marine M4 that's been shot to hell and back and take one of those old AK's and let's see which one still shoots like a rifle should and not golf ball launcher. Yeah, thought so...The AR platform wins hands down. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but face it. Fact is that AK didn't shoot as accurately as the old M4 when it was brand new. Not buying.
Those AR's the Marines get are all maintenance by their armorers you moron, those AKs are lucky to get any decent oil a few times a week. Those AR's are maintained by the armorers to make sure are reliable and when something is worn it's replaced. You aren't even stating any facts, please try harder because you're just now spitting out bullshit that doesn't even make sense.
@acidburn134 You say that AR's are maintained better than AK's. Well I guess there were no Russian and Soviet armorers taking care of those military's weapons. Here's another dollar. Go buy another clue.
Wrong again, There are Russians taking care of Russian firearms, and I'm sure those are in good condition however I wasn't speaking of Russian ones that are properly maintained. It seems you can't have a logical debate at all, maybe you should go back to call of duty kid, you're better suited there because you have no firearms knowledge.
@acidburn134 You blankey stated that AK's as a whole are not maintained as well as M4's. I just pointed out how wrong you are with that statement. "call of duty kid"?? Well you are the one that says you "like video games" in your you tube profile. Who's the gamer here? Not me. As I have said, I am a17 year LEO firearms instructor with abundant hands on experience. Obviously not much, juve. What firearm knowledge/experience do you have beisdes from youtube or video games? Get a clue, princess.
The facts are very simple. The AK is inherently much more reliable and it retains it's accuracy well enough to kill, and it kills very well. There are AKs that can shoot sub-moa like match AR's. People over look the information, an SGL31 with good ammo will shoot just like a 16" AR at 100 yards. The main drawback of the AK is the irons, but who doesn't run glass on their gun? It's a better option anyway you have much more capability.
@acidburn134 Let's just end this here. You attempt to defend the AK's lousy accuracy with excuses about old guns, bad ammo, and accusing me of being a troll. Weak. I want high reliabilty AND superior accuracy past 300 yards. You get both with an AR platform. "Accuracy" in a battle rifle goes along with "Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it". Just ask our Marines in the sand box who faced close in and far off targets daily. Not many AK's seen in long range competition.
If you knew absolutely anything about guns you would know ammo is one of the biggest factors to accuracy. To be honest most people even here int he USA that shoot their AKs are running old Russian corrosive surplus ammo that probably shouldn't even be used on a battlefield. Throw some sand into your receiver or take your AR and throw it in a lake and shoot it after wards, wear facial protection though. Also an AR isn't a battle rifle.
@acidburn134 "If I knew anything about guns"? Son, I have been a LEO firearms instructor for over 17 years. I can just about guarantee that I have pinged more primers than you any any two of your buddies combined. I am not passing along internet regurgitation like you. I have experience in the real world handling assorted weapons. Besides if I needed any schooling about weapons, I sure wouldn't take it from some "AK hugging", adolecent minded, douche bag on you tube. But thanks anyway, princess.
You keep referencing the mid east, let me remind you again. Those rifles are complete trash, ever heard of Khyber Pass? Maybe read about what happens there lol. You take new rifles with decent ammo and good shooters and they will both perform similarly. The AK is just more reliable and the AR is more capable at longer range, however you can still take an AK accurately out to 500-600 yards in 7.62x38mm. Use 5.45/5.56 and you can shoot out to 700-100yards. Get educated.
@acidburn134 Where in the hell are all the sub moa AK's you keep spouting off about? I know. No where. An AK's loose specs guarentee it to shoot and also gaurentee it to shoot like crap. I am also well aware of the importance of good ammo. But the best ammo and the worlds best shooters can't make an AK shoot as accurately as an AR, Period. The AK is flat out incapable. Face the facts. Since you like insults, here's one. Stop sucking your AK's barrel. It's not going to ejaculate for you, douche.
It's called a VEPR, and once again you're proven wrong. AK won't shoot more accurately than an AR I never once said it would, I said it would be comparable, if the AK was incapable there wouldn't have been 100 million produced. I didn't insult you I told you to get educated if you find that insulting then go back to grade school. It seems you can't have a logical debate and you are mad that you are wrong. If you think AKs are inaccurate you need to shoot more.
@acidburn134 Your circular logic ran out. You were talking about an average new AK, not a VEPR. Well your average Afgan AK is not a VEPR but your average AR can shoot right with a VEPR. I never said AK's are incapable, I said AK's (not VEPR's) are incapable of hanging with an AR in accuracy. The fact still remains that competition range are filled with MOA capable AR's not VEPR's or "average" AK's. Know why? Because AR's are MORE ACCURATE. Now pull your dick out of your oatmeal and deal w/ it.
You seem confused, I'm not arguing in a circle unlike yourself. You might have to read my posts over. Also your reading comprehension is fail I said that there are AKs that are as accurate as an AR I never once stated that all AKs are like that. Also AKs are very capable of being neck and neck with an AR using similar calibers. AR's are more accurate, are you retarded? I never once said AK is more accurate, not once. Learn to read kid.
@acidburn134 I noticed you used the term "fail". Yep, you are nothing more than a gamer with little hands on firearms experience let alone real training. Let me know if I can help you out with any certifications you may want when you are all grown up, princess
So using a word instantly puts you into a certain group? What kind of education did you receive, I'm starting to believe you barely made it out of grade school.
@acidburn134 You are fighting a losing battle. Why aren't there any AK's in long range competition if they are soooo capable of moa accuracy? Answer the fing question. You also contradict yourself. You say the overseas/corrosive surplus 7.62 AK47 ammo is not fit for the battlefield and contributes to the AK's poor accuracy. But then you say the overseas/corrosive surplus 5.45 AK 74 ammo can hang with an AR out to 700 to 1000 yards? Pick a side and stick with it. Here's a dollar, buy a clue!
AR's are more accurate when did I say otherwise? Read every single response I ever made to you I never once state it. Also you are trying to put words in my mouth I never said. I said people take ARs use good ammo and optics and compare accuracy to an AK that's usually beat up and the ammo is bad, however if you are using good ammo then you can have comparable accuracy assuming the AK is in decent condition. Keep making yourself look like a fool lol, learn to read.
@acidburn134 Circular logic strikes again. How can AK accuracy be "comparable" with an AR when in the same breath you say the AR is "more accurate". Fine with me. I sending you another dollar for another clue. Later.
Circular logic but you can't even debate my points? I never once stated the AK system is more accurate than the AR system. Learn the difference between comparable and you will understand the point I'm trying to make. Instead of sending my "dollars" for clues go back to school. You can research every point I've made, I guarantee you I'm not wrong. Again I'll say it, AR's are more accurate inherently, but a good AK with a similar chambering will have similar accuracy.
@acidburn134 Debating your points? Ok, the AK 47 is less accurated than an AR because of shoddy corrossive ammo and an AK74 is just as accurate for the same reason (NOT!). M4's are maintained by armorers and AK's in other militaries are not maintained by armorers (NOT!). Accuracy past 300 yards is unimportant (NOT!) Ask our Marines under investigation after taking 4-600 yard head shots about that. Every AK out there is as accurate as an AR because they are VEPR grade(NOT!). Got it. We are done.
You really can't read can you lol? You are now trying to put words in my mouth I never said. You can't even type correctly how do you plan to have a logical debate? I didn't compare an AK-47 to the M4, I said AKs in a similar chamber so that means AK 10x series or the 74. Yes they have comparable accuracy to an M4, however they are not more accurate, learn the difference. Accuracy past 300 yards in combat today is irrelevant, you have DMRs for anything past that.
It's proven just about all engagements take place under 300 yards. Also find me that DoD investigation you were talking about, you never did that. I never said every AK is as accurate as an AR because they are VEPR grade, your reading really sucks. I said there are submoa capable AKs, one of them being a VEPR, SGL31's with good ammo are capable of this too. LEARN TO READ, I've stated all these points over and over, I'm guessing you didn't pass reading class.
@acidburn134 Yes most engagements are under 300 yards but NOT ALL. The capability to engage past 300 yards just common sense. Maybe not for you because common sense isn't common. You can do your own research about the investigation online. If you are that inept, ask someone more competent for help. You blanketly said AK's as a whole have comparabe accuracy with AR's which they do not. Then you site the uncommon VEPR to justificy your false info. I've read your crap well. Need a dollar?
See you can't even provide your own sources, I never said AKs as a whole, I said AKs that have been properly maintained and that are using good ammo with a similar chambering. You can't compare gun accuracy with two different rounds that perform very differently, so comparing a 7.62 chambered AK to an AR in 5.56 is illogical. You obviously haven't read anything well, take those dollars and buy yourself a book, maybe a dictionary.
@acidburn134 You compared the AK and AR accuracy wise. so are you saying that YOU made the illogical comparison. Yes, it appears so going by the standards you set. You also compared the AK 47 and AK 74 rounds. Circular logic strikes again. You can't even defend your own attempt to make invalid and ultimately arguable false information. You need some work princess.
Yes I compared them, but I never stated the AK was more accurate than the AR, it seems you don't quite understand what circular logic is, but your reading comprehension seems to be lacking as well. I never stated false information, your delusional mind is trying to put words in my mouth yet again. You are very welcome to reread all my posts if you want, don't do that it might take you too long to sound the words out, lol. Go back to school kid, or read a book.
@acidburn134 You are insisting that ARs are more accurate than AKs, but there are some AKs out there that can shoot "somewhat on par" with some of the standard ARs? Did you consider that there are some ARs out there that are chambered to .308 or 7.62x51 that can shoot passed 1000 yards? Did you also take into consideration that when you build an AK for accuracy, you lose some reliability due to the more precise requirements of the platform?
Actually you really don't lose reliability because if you read what I've said there are AKs that aren't chambered in 7.62. There are AKs chambered in .308 as well I don't see your point? That was never even brought up anyway, it was about .223/5.56, and an AK can be chambered in that. You people need to face the fact that AKs aren't so inaccurate as people make them seem. There are some pretty accurate AKs out there, SGL31 being one of those.
@acidburn134 There may be some pretty accurate AKs out there, but the ARs that are built for accuracy will beat out the AKs that are built for accuracy, that was my point. The biggest thing that AK has always had going for them was that they were reliable. Now that ARs are being made to withstand the sort of punishment in this video, just makes the rivalry all the more interesting and tilts the favor for ARs imho.
@acidburn134 Also, you can't compare apples to oranges. If you are comparing the "standard" AK and the "standard" AR, then you are comparing a 7.62 to a 5.56 (not a .223 as they are different) if you look at the standard baselines for the platforms then that's what you're comparing, in which case the 5.56 beats u in accuracy. 7.62 has more energy at the point of impact, but it's the sacrifice you make with larger rounds. If you compare like calibers, the AR usually wins in accuracy
As far as accuracy goes the only comparisons I made was the AK in 5.45x39 which performs similarly to 5.56. Also I never stated the AK was more accurate because it's not. However an AK in a caliber like 5.45 or 5.56 will perform pretty similar to a carbine length AR, which would be similar to an M4.
@acidburn134 The bullet would be the cause of any similarities, not the rifle, so the point is void to say that a variation of the AK can shoot "on par" with a standard AR. My point is still that there are variations of both weapons. I daresay that the AR chambered to .308 would out-perform the AK chambered in the same. Comparing the same round shot from both platforms will 'usually' leave you with more accurate groups with the AR. Simple fact of life. There's a reason we use them
Just bought a DD m4 and I love it for a 16" barrel it is extremely accurate. I set mine up with an eotech and magpul irons. And it came with an adjustable foregrip. At 200 yards it put 100 rounds in a baseball. However that was supported of course but to me that's amazing and speaks a lot to the quality of the firearm.
thechrisg9110 2 hours ago
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drop that bitch out of a helicopter onto cement, not dirt, and see what happens!
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f8talh8red 21 hours ago
We display it at trade shows along with the video.
DanielDefense 1 day ago
What ever happened to the carbine in the video?
icyaquarius86 1 day ago
Nice video , it's really shows how the U.S went from the m16 a nice gun but not very reliable, to the m4 and m16a4 completely reliable weapons that make the ak-47 look like a peace of crap.
gdbassman 2 days ago
Vickers is the man!!
BUSHMASTER159 4 days ago
oh my god.. this says as much for the optic as it does the rifle !
NurseMan1911 1 week ago in playlist AR15 VS AK47 2
Great Video!! DD is Amazing!!
ANolan15 1 week ago
im equally impressed with how well the optic held up.
JamesDBlanc 1 week ago
First of all the hk416 costs on average more than 3x as much money if you can get one. second I don't see hk blowing up there guns or throwing them out a helicopter - at all. Talk is cheap.
The video is cool but I was expecting to see the helicopter reach a decent altitude. Thanks to DD for filming it though.
circuitsports 2 weeks ago
@circuitsports How many armies have adopted a Daniel defense rifle compared to the number that have adopted the HK416?
esh325 1 week ago
@esh325 The HK is a great gun.. but not the best.. first of all.. with a full mag
it is at 10 lbs.. thats heavy for an AR platform!! weird grip.. complexity of parts..
if a internal part goes down your screwed. Also.. the norweign soldiers found
that in their cold winters.. a peice cracks. Again the Hk is a great gun.. but not
$3200 dollars great. You can get two great reliable AR's for the price of an HK..
at some point though.. all your paying for is a name.
grapplingtech77 1 week ago
@grapplingtech77 Never said it was. I think the SCAR would be a better choice for a modern rifle. I held one briefly and it didn't feel that heavy. Maybe the weight comes from the rails? Every new weapon fielded has bugs. It is grossly overpriced though.
esh325 1 week ago
@esh325 I shot my friend's SCAR chambered in .308 . I'll admit..
it's pretty freakin sweet. He is running a nightforce scope on it.. its
very dialed in and hits like a hammer.. daddy likes......lol
grapplingtech77 1 week ago
it didn't fail on concreat and didn't bary in sand yellow sand and the explosion wasn't that big
the german hk 416 is better
The3bood8 2 weeks ago
@The3bood8 your a pogue and so is that German piece of shit.
Rook369 2 weeks ago
@Rook369 you are bitch ass mother fucker and hk 416 is better that's the truth if you don't like it go and fuck yourself
by the way you should try hk416 if you didn't try it so far
The3bood8 2 weeks ago
@The3bood8 omg.... wow... first off... spell concrete again for me... second off...spell bury again for me... and really?? a southern thunder explosion wasn't big enough huh? It doesnt take an explosion to crack an hk 416.. just takes a cold Norweign winter.. go ahead.. ask on of their soldiers...
grapplingtech77 2 weeks ago 6
4:59 for your own personal daily dose of encouragement.
oiaughwea 2 weeks ago
i love ar-15's and m4's.and i especially love my daniel defense m4v7
JUKEBOXX1990 3 weeks ago
whooptie do take any mil spec M4 and they would fair just as well as that $2,000 dollar one
combatkustoms 3 weeks ago
@combatkustoms Not true, the Colt I used in the Army was crap. Couldn't cycle a mag with out a double feed with range conditions. Not only myself but several other soldiers had issues with their M-4s. Also the Daniel Defense goes for 1000 to 1500. You just trying to make yourself feel better about your crap purchase?
Rook369 2 weeks ago
@Rook369 Sounds more like a mag problem than a problem with the firearm.
ogukuo72 2 weeks ago
неужели вы, пиндосы, добились того, чего АК добился в 47-м?
gryazniybobby 4 weeks ago
Vickers is kind of a fat dork but I loved the video... Tell vickers to stop trying so hard to be cool, I'm buying another one of your rifles too by the way. Keep making superior firearms.
shadowcast27 4 weeks ago
@shadowcast27 Vickers was a Delta Force operator who participated in Operation Acid Gambit & did a lot of SCUD busting in the deserts of Iraq in Desert Storm. I'm not sure but he may have been in Gothic Serpent too. He may look like shit now but I'm fairly sure his feet have more mileage on them than my feet and your feet combined. If he told me anything about military arms I would listen to it like it was coming from a burning bush.
oeyesea 3 weeks ago 6
T1 rules.
DennyDucet 4 weeks ago
this should be renamed to aimpoint torture test
c1elite436 1 month ago
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c1elite436 1 month ago
The gun was closed when it was buried...
How much dirt do you imagine got in...?
Joryvon 1 month ago
@Joryvon Why would it be open?
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
They shouldn't have sealed the barrel shut. It combat, I highly doubt people would be using barrel covers. They also forgot a very important test: sustained fire. I doubt it would survive more than 3 C-Mags.
MonkeyMasher1 1 month ago
@MonkeyMasher1 A lot of soldiers cover their muzzle, they've been doing since to my knowledge, WWII. Yes it could survive 3 Beta mags easy, there is a video of a Colt M4 firing as I recall over 1,000 rounds of continuous full auto before stopping. If you think that's bad, think about it, when does a soldier fire that many rounds in a single engagement? An AK's wood grips would have caught fire before then.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I've read stories of people in Iraq and Afghanistan getting in close engagements and burning through upwards of 15 mags and the chambers and gas tubes get so hot that primers start popping and the gun starts going ape shit so they have to get another one.
MonkeyMasher1 1 month ago
@MonkeyMasher1 The primers don't pop, the powder would just cook off in the chamber. Even so, no gun would be immune to cook offs after so many rounds but the M4 could survive just 450 rounds without a problem.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I don't think the gas tube would be able to hold it down. I saw a picture of a guys M4 and he said he was putting some 500 rounds through it and the gas tube just died.
MonkeyMasher1 4 weeks ago
@MonkeyMasher1 I'll send you a video.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 weeks ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR Well then. After watching that, I still don't wanna run upwards of 400 rounds if I'm holding that thing.
MonkeyMasher1 4 weeks ago
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FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 weeks ago
@MonkeyMasher1 If you look at the way it was fired, it was continuous full auto with hardly a break. Real life the weapons are fired 99% of the time on semi auto and it would involve taking cover, moving, waiting for a target, etc. Take it from the professionals such as Delta Force and the Navy SEALs who carry M4s.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 weeks ago
@MonkeyMasher1 Also, what would you prefer over it then? A .22LR so it doesn't heat up quickly?
FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 weeks ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I don't like cartridges any smaller than 7.62x39. I could care less about the stopping power and ballistics of the .223/5.56, .22, .243, etc, but the recoil is just too little and I'm not comfortable holding an M4/AR15
MonkeyMasher1 4 weeks ago
@MonkeyMasher1 What experience do you actually have with 5.56 x 45?
FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 weeks ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I shoot AR15 3-4 times a year. I also got to shoot an ACR last year.
MonkeyMasher1 4 weeks ago
@MonkeyMasher1 That's lousy experience, I own one complete rifle and have a AR 15 stripped receiver waiting to be built. I go shooting more than that with just my handgun.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 weeks ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I can only do it with my friend, who I see a couple times a year because he's the only guy I know who owns one. My other buddy is getting one before the semester finishes and I'm planning on a Vz.58
MonkeyMasher1 4 weeks ago
@MonkeyMasher1 You say the AR 15 feels uncomfortable holding one but it's better than an AK plus the after market support is greater.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 weeks ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR It's perspective. This is the equivalent of me saying the Glock 17 is better than the Springfield XD. They're not. Sure it actually isn't as ergonomic, but I'm still more comfortable shooting the AK than the AR, as long as there is no folding stock one it. This is why I try not to get into arguments why which gun is better. There really is no correct answer. It's all in the hands of the shooter.
MonkeyMasher1 4 weeks ago
@MonkeyMasher1 I'm not saying the AK is a bad choice as I have one myself it's just that the AR 15 is more ergonomic.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 weeks ago
what makes this stronger than other AR carbines?
TheZombieRebellion 1 month ago
@TheZombieRebellion Because It was created when chuck norris made love to his personal firearm..... poof... A DD M4 was born....
grapplingtech77 1 month ago
love the jeep, too bad there isnt a torture test like this for the stock bushmaster 15
Buck762 1 month ago
its like an original ak47 and an hk 416 had a child and this gun was their off spring! both guns being extremely durable
evanatromitoszarsaz 1 month ago
@evanatromitoszarsaz This gun is mil spec, not different than any other AR except for overall quality.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
CARBINE !! not carbean :')
LukeeZeeLion 1 month ago
@LukeeZeeLion It's both.
MonkeyMasher1 1 month ago
I get it, you put the rifle through a lot. But it seemed like they were more worried about an optic and it's operation than actually testing the function of the rifle. In a combative situation I doubt that one would have a barrel cover. Why not do a forward dump, rack the bolt, and remote-fire the weapon? I would like to see almost like an obstacle course that would challenge the weapon as well as the operator. Mud/dirt/water drags, falls from height, falls/ drops/dings onto surfaces. Swimming
freakypillow 1 month ago
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instead of kicking it up a notch, I'd like to kick him in the crotch for saying it over and over
85mackey1 1 month ago
Kick it up a notch? I need some of what you cooking Larry.
LaRueDeeko 1 month ago
@DinoHunter2 No, the AK-12. Look it up in google.
esh325 1 month ago
@DinoHunter2 The Russians will be replacing the AK-74 with the AK-12.
esh325 1 month ago
@antiigravity you obviously dont know the anatomy of explosions. And im a die hard fan of AK's and AK variants, and i admit this IS thee "AK" of M4's.
shotgunsurgeon23 1 month ago
IN DANIEL DEFENSE, WE TRUST.
Peter421 1 month ago
AK and AR vs. Twinkie comparison video:
/watch?v=9wIFsG0ey4g
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The entire test is a lame joke. How did that post end up right beside the M4 after that huge explosion? It wasn't bent, scorched or even moved away from the gun. And there was no hole in the ground. An explosion of that size would have shot that rifle, post and and all, over top of those trees in the background. But it barely moved 2 feet. You people should be ashamed putting out such ridiculous garbage. The sling on the rifle wasn't even torn off the rifle in that explosion. Steel sling?
antiigravity 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
LMAO That's not a freaking torture test..it's a joke, a commercial - for naive inexperienced civilians. Taping the muzzle before submerging the rifle into water? Then take it out, rack it, drain it for 2 seconds, muzzle down? Barely putting dirt on it with the ejection cover closed? Sand and small rocks is what responsible for a lot of stoppages on AR. The gooey substance that forms from lube, debris and return gasses (NOT after 1 magazine) because most AR's should only run wet.
antiigravity 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@antiigravity oh gosh.... yeah.... drop it out of a helicopter and blow it up.... but it's not reliable cause that little bit of tape on the end......................... some of these comments put me on suicide watch.... oh btw... the majority of AR stoppages were bad magazine feeds... switch to pmags...
grapplingtech77 1 month ago
@grapplingtech77 While a portion of this video might be truthful, you have to remember, this is an ADVERTISEMENT. That automatically takes away legitimacy.
esh325 1 month ago
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America's Hollywood TV throws AR on the grass? Why not throw it into a pool filled with pretty chicks? o_O Like in Hollywood. Lube only attracts more dirt and dust. But most of all, the stoppages depend on the environment, M4/M16 aren't all weather rifles like the AK.
antiigravity 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Hit by a bird shot? I'm impressed. Yeah like I'm gonna be shot with a bird-shot at my rifle. A rifle/pistol round, or shrapnel at best. The AR has inherent faulty design with it's ALUMINUM receiver, 2 parts that are held together by a PIN ! The truck drove on the rifle? It drove on it's fore-grip, the most durable part of AR, not on the receiver. Russians during AK tests drop it on concrete, since that's what exactly happens in real life.
antiigravity 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Aw man... Thank you Daniel Defense for adding the AIMPOINT MICRO in your torture test... I'm buying me an AIMPOINT MICRO and it's going on my "Suchka"..
brutaltlr 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@brutaltlr Shameless plug.
MedicmanFP 1 month ago 3
This almost seems more like an aimpoint torture test than a DD torture test. That being said, I have one of their weapons, and I'm am very satisfied with it. In my opinion it's just as good if not better than an LWRC at a fraction of the cost.
DRMS4LYFE 1 month ago
@DinoHunter2 Totally agree. Both are reliable and the run of the mill AK is accurate enough under 150 yards. After 150 yards the AR wins hands down and begins to embarrass the AK. The thought that great accuracy at longer distance is unimportant just because most fights are at shorter range is absolute lunacy. Better to have that accuracy for "when and if" that day comes. Anyone who discredits the ability of good accuracy at long range must not value their life very much IMO. Good observation.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 You probably haven't shot an AK. I have a video out of my AK going to to 200 yards. I can get decent hits on a torso at that distance.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 "Probably Haven't shot an AK"?? Come on man., are yo shitting me? You know what they say about "u" and "me" when you assume, don't you? Brother, I have shot and trained with more battle rifles than the Taliban. If you want precision hits when a man sized target looks like a speck in the distance, leave the rattle bucket at home and use an AR. Period. Nuff said.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
the aimpoint held up outstanding as did the rifle. GJ DD
ChloeeIsFat 1 month ago
I'm impressed, but say you're going along and come up on this river. You slip in and your weapon submerges. You didn't have time to tape over that barrel while you were falling in and when comes time to make that gun go bang, it goes bang right in your face. I know thats a one in a million chance, but if it were me, I wouldn't want to have to worry about taping my barrel over all the time if I happened across some water. Still a good gun.
Slalomer08 1 month ago
@Slalomer08 omg... you people kill me... all you have to do is tilt it back... rack it back.. water drains.. and gun goes bang... it takes about 5 seconds.. what do you think the SF teams did and do when they carry DI guns on operations that involve water.?? that question is rhetorical by the way..
grapplingtech77 1 month ago 8
@grapplingtech77 oh absolutely, I'm just saying, sometime, somewhere, somebody isn't going to have 5 seconds. I'm just being an ass though. I guess I just want to see the absolutely perfect firearm.
Slalomer08 1 month ago
Just ordered the ddm4 v5,This video sealed the deal ...thanks Daniel defense ..amazing products!
duanejklaus 1 month ago
when he did the dirt test the dust cover was closed so no dirt got into the chamber
redmule02 1 month ago
I would like to see all other companies do this same test.
MexicanNinja82 1 month ago
Recently on Sons of Guns a guy wanted them to build an AR that was super reliable because his guys that worked security had real trouble with their M4's in the fine Nevada sand. He said he hadn't seen anything on the market that sparked his interest so he came to Red Jacket for them to build him one. He obviously hasn't seen this video.
bmx65 1 month ago
American made baby!
nativenight77 1 month ago
XD ппц!
Что это они дуло заклеивают при каждом испытании.
Испытывая АК такого нет!
youtube -> Автоматы калашникова (From AK-47 to AK-105)
kailzloi 1 month ago
hyinia
kailzloi 1 month ago
AK lovers need to tune in. Being an "AK Hugger" is fine but fact is comparing an AK and an AR is like comparing a Hugo and a Mustang. Yeah, they'll both get you there but which ride do you want to show up to the Prom driving? I want extreme reliability AND surgical accuracy past 300 yrds....I want an AR, Period! One guy here said that accuracy past 300 yrds is unimportant! What!? Oh, and AR's can be had with a piston system too. Not to mention a diverse array of calibers, unlike an AK. Sorry :(
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
drop on the grass, come on!!?? drop it onto rocks
AtlantiXYL 2 months ago
drop it off a 120 story building
AtlantiXYL 2 months ago
ok,1 put a tank round to it, before that fire a 50cal machine gun into it.
AtlantiXYL 2 months ago
call of duty jeep haha
coolkevan 2 months ago
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greymanthe 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Any time the AR haters start running their pie holes about this weapon's "lack of reliability", just show them this video. That should shut their pickle suckers! I've trained my fair share of guys on an M4 over 17 yrs and this even impressed me. The AR platform is one tuff SOB, period! Now some "AK hugger" is going to write me back blasting off about his gun being "better".....Just save it, princess. Let's take a trip to the 600 yard line and we'll see who walks away with a :). AR's ROCK!
GLOCKCOPG23 2 months ago 9
@GLOCKCOPG23 Love you Man! No homo.
bmx65 2 months ago
@bmx65 Thanks. You my friend are an enlightened one. Now go forth and spread the word (and .223 projectiles) :)
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 Get a squad of your guys with your tacticool AR's and come to Stalingrad. You will face a few ak-47's there.
antiigravity 1 month ago
@antiigravity OK. The AR platform will be more accurate than an AK in Stalingrad too. Good point. Better take good cover. The AR can thread that needle when it counts. All you an do with an AK is "hope for the best" when accuracy is paramount to making the kill shot.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 A rifle will only shoot as good as the man behind it. If you're a poor shot, then it doesn't matter what rifle you have. If "hope for the best" when you're shooting an AK, then you're a poor shot. You should know where your bullets are going.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 I don't want to argue w/ you but facts are facts. Your quote, "A rifle will only shoot as good as the man behind it." Nope. The greatest marksman in the world cannot make an AK shoot like an AR at distance. The average AK floating around out there is flat out incapable. Face reality. Fact: At 300 plus yards with an AK, "HOPE FOR THE BEST". The precision is NOT there. Marksmanship cannot offset inherit inaccuracy. Love your AK but know it's limitations. At distance it's Done and Over.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 A 7.62x39 AK will have difficulty beyond 300 yards because of the drop. You could zero your scope for 400 yards to compensate for this. An AK-74 however, can go beyond 300m's because of the better ballistics of the round.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 An Ak will have difficulty past 300 yards not just because of the drop of the round but also because of the loose tolerances of the firearm platform itself. Bottom line an AK is as reliable as it gets but an AR will stack it's groups in tiny little clusters near and far. The AK's accuracy fall apart past 150-200 yards. Historically combat has been a short range proposition. Lately combat ranges are stretching across the sand. The AR can handle it all. AK's are cool though.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 Why does "loose tolerances" come into affect at 300 yards but not close up? How is "loose tolerances" dependent on range? The sights (if you're using sights) and the drop of the 7.62x39 is a better explanation and is actually very physically apparent. Loose tolerances is not.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 Ok, I'm calling on your common sense here. The AK's loose tolerances allow it to have great reliability and lends to "descent enough" accuracy (not great to begin with) for the "typical" combat ranges of the past. It is a sad fact that the "typical" combat range is widening in the deserts of the middle east. The AK's groups open up over distance just like any other weapon but the groups were not as small as an AR's to begin with. So the accuracy ratio grows as the distance grows.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@esh325 As a foot note, your average combat optic will run out of range adjustment long before you can make a 7.62x39 hit the broad side of a school bus at distance. You would have to just lob them in the general direction which most of the sand diggers do. Don't get me wrong, I like an AK and own several but when it comes down to hitting something very small, very far away, I will grab one of my AR's every time. Hey, I didn't write the laws of physics but I have to obey them. Happy shooting.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 That isn't true. Russian optics have a bullet drop compensator.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 The vast majority of those "Russian optics" you cited are for LARGER rounds than the 7.62x39. Research the Draganov for further on the subject. The 7.62x39 never has and never will shoot as flat as a 5.56. The AK 47 never has nor ever will be made to the tight tolerances of the AR therefore it will remain the less accurate slave of it's loose design.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 Mine is calibrated for the 7.62x54R and 7.62x39. The 7.62x39 will never be as flat as the 5.56x45. That cannot be debated.
esh325 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 "The U.S. Army determined that the average soldier will only hit a man size target 10% of the time at 300 meters with the M16A2 rifle." How will you hit something extremely small then?
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 Do you debate the fact that the 5.56 shoots flatter than the 7.62x39? Do you debate the fact that the AR is made to tighter tolerances which is the main factor of it having better inherit accuracy than an AK. There is no debate on either fact. Like I said, I like an AK but it nor it's round will do for work "way out there".
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 I don't debate the fact the 5.56x45 shoots flatter. That is a fact which can be easily measurable and is readily apparent. Loose tolerances is not something easily measurable or readily apparent. I've owned AK's for years. And if somebody told me "Show me the loose tolerances on the AK". I wouldn't be able to give them a straight answer.
esh325 1 month ago
Have it land on concrete not grass
TH3Omaster 2 months ago
@TH3Omaster i dont think that any gun would have been able to sustain that drop force on the concrete...
xxXfanosXxx 2 months ago
Another luxury rifle ? Hk ,lwrc,dd, and others clearly fail on this complete water submersion test. Like always they shake it off for 3sec,drain for 3s,and finally shoot after 5s?whats up with that?whats the point of doing the water test if youre not going to commit? Just saying,only rifle ive seen do this water test successfully,sigsauer.!!
justbcuzimbigger 2 months ago
@justbcuzimbigger actually HK did it.. look up the video..
grapplingtech77 2 months ago
@justbcuzimbigger actually HK did it.... look up the video
grapplingtech77 2 months ago
@justbcuzimbigger What are you taking about? HK's shoot safely immediately.
mudshovel007 2 months ago
@justbcuzimbigger
Yeah, because we all know we're going to be shooting in a lake.
drbackjack 2 months ago
You should do the test without tape an just tip barrel forward and check chamber for obstructions. No Aks are not piles of shit I own one. But I think AR/m4 have the reputation for being piles I shit so it's nice to see someone showing a test that they are not....they make great rails, running the 12" literail on my BCM 14.5" midy.
elox02 2 months ago
Impressive.
xUbastardx 2 months ago
Not that this inst fun to watch but when its not being compared against another ARs as a benchmark for performance the results are rather meaningless.
TheLastMag 2 months ago
I think it's funny when people try to compare the AK to the AR. AK is more reliable by design, you can spin me your shit or whatever but the simple fact is the AK is designed to be much more reliable. Bury an AR for 18 years and see if it still works, it's been done with AKs. Also before anyone gets to accuracy I want to say AR is more accurate at longer range, but in modern combat it really doesnt matter, most engagements are under 300 yards, perfect for any AK. Oh and you can get an AK in 5.56
acidburn134 2 months ago
@acidburn134 Accuracy past 300 yrds doesn't matter in "modern combat"? Really? The DOD opened an investigation about head shots being taken on insurgents at 4-600 yards by US Marines because our boys were being accused of executing the enemy. Try that with your AK. Besides even if it were accurate enough (which it is NOT) the rainbow trajectory of the 7.62x39 would require about an 9" rear sight!. I can see your point about accuracy being nonimportant past 300 yards! Sound like a job for an AR!
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
Right, okay stop trolling you aren't fooling anyone, but yourself maybe. Also AK's aren't just chambered in 7.62, and if you consider most are in bad condition using ammo that is in even worse condition, then you will probably see why most aren't so accurate in combat. If you take a new AK in a similar chambering to .223/5.56 you will see it will be comparable to a 16" AR. AR's suck with pistons, maybe you should learn about carrier tilt and how bad metal shaves.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 When you get back from Fantasy Land, let us know. AK's are LOOSELY built, that's why they are about as accurate as my kid's sling shot. Excuses about bad ammo and guns in bad condition are just that...Excuses.. Are AK's chambered in the array of choices as an AR. NO!. AR's "suck with pistons, carrier tilt, metal shavings"?? Maybe you should brush up on how these things have been addressed and are a non issue. Engineers get paid way more than you. Great 20 year old info though.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
You must be 12 so I'll try to make it simple. AK's internally are loose yes, this is to increase reliability. AKs however are still capable of shooting submoa at 100 yards. Maybe you should take that safe queen and go shoot it. If a shooter can't shoot an AK accurately well then it's on the shooter. Thank you however for proving your ignorance and complete lack of firearms knowledge.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 One more point. Let's go with your excuse about AK's having poor accuracy due to most of the guns being old and worn or whatever. Take a Marine M4 that's been shot to hell and back and take one of those old AK's and let's see which one still shoots like a rifle should and not golf ball launcher. Yeah, thought so...The AR platform wins hands down. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but face it. Fact is that AK didn't shoot as accurately as the old M4 when it was brand new. Not buying.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
Those AR's the Marines get are all maintenance by their armorers you moron, those AKs are lucky to get any decent oil a few times a week. Those AR's are maintained by the armorers to make sure are reliable and when something is worn it's replaced. You aren't even stating any facts, please try harder because you're just now spitting out bullshit that doesn't even make sense.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 You say that AR's are maintained better than AK's. Well I guess there were no Russian and Soviet armorers taking care of those military's weapons. Here's another dollar. Go buy another clue.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
Wrong again, There are Russians taking care of Russian firearms, and I'm sure those are in good condition however I wasn't speaking of Russian ones that are properly maintained. It seems you can't have a logical debate at all, maybe you should go back to call of duty kid, you're better suited there because you have no firearms knowledge.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 You blankey stated that AK's as a whole are not maintained as well as M4's. I just pointed out how wrong you are with that statement. "call of duty kid"?? Well you are the one that says you "like video games" in your you tube profile. Who's the gamer here? Not me. As I have said, I am a17 year LEO firearms instructor with abundant hands on experience. Obviously not much, juve. What firearm knowledge/experience do you have beisdes from youtube or video games? Get a clue, princess.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
Obviously you don't have enough experience, you can't even read properly. Sorry for stating the obvious and the truth lol.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
The facts are very simple. The AK is inherently much more reliable and it retains it's accuracy well enough to kill, and it kills very well. There are AKs that can shoot sub-moa like match AR's. People over look the information, an SGL31 with good ammo will shoot just like a 16" AR at 100 yards. The main drawback of the AK is the irons, but who doesn't run glass on their gun? It's a better option anyway you have much more capability.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 Let's just end this here. You attempt to defend the AK's lousy accuracy with excuses about old guns, bad ammo, and accusing me of being a troll. Weak. I want high reliabilty AND superior accuracy past 300 yards. You get both with an AR platform. "Accuracy" in a battle rifle goes along with "Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it". Just ask our Marines in the sand box who faced close in and far off targets daily. Not many AK's seen in long range competition.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
If you knew absolutely anything about guns you would know ammo is one of the biggest factors to accuracy. To be honest most people even here int he USA that shoot their AKs are running old Russian corrosive surplus ammo that probably shouldn't even be used on a battlefield. Throw some sand into your receiver or take your AR and throw it in a lake and shoot it after wards, wear facial protection though. Also an AR isn't a battle rifle.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 "If I knew anything about guns"? Son, I have been a LEO firearms instructor for over 17 years. I can just about guarantee that I have pinged more primers than you any any two of your buddies combined. I am not passing along internet regurgitation like you. I have experience in the real world handling assorted weapons. Besides if I needed any schooling about weapons, I sure wouldn't take it from some "AK hugging", adolecent minded, douche bag on you tube. But thanks anyway, princess.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
Keep up with the personal insults it really shows your intelligence, or should I say lack off. You might need a diaper for all your butthurt.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 You started the insults and set the tone. I'm sorry if I'm just better at hurting your feelings, princess.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
You keep referencing the mid east, let me remind you again. Those rifles are complete trash, ever heard of Khyber Pass? Maybe read about what happens there lol. You take new rifles with decent ammo and good shooters and they will both perform similarly. The AK is just more reliable and the AR is more capable at longer range, however you can still take an AK accurately out to 500-600 yards in 7.62x38mm. Use 5.45/5.56 and you can shoot out to 700-100yards. Get educated.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 Where in the hell are all the sub moa AK's you keep spouting off about? I know. No where. An AK's loose specs guarentee it to shoot and also gaurentee it to shoot like crap. I am also well aware of the importance of good ammo. But the best ammo and the worlds best shooters can't make an AK shoot as accurately as an AR, Period. The AK is flat out incapable. Face the facts. Since you like insults, here's one. Stop sucking your AK's barrel. It's not going to ejaculate for you, douche.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
It's called a VEPR, and once again you're proven wrong. AK won't shoot more accurately than an AR I never once said it would, I said it would be comparable, if the AK was incapable there wouldn't have been 100 million produced. I didn't insult you I told you to get educated if you find that insulting then go back to grade school. It seems you can't have a logical debate and you are mad that you are wrong. If you think AKs are inaccurate you need to shoot more.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 Your circular logic ran out. You were talking about an average new AK, not a VEPR. Well your average Afgan AK is not a VEPR but your average AR can shoot right with a VEPR. I never said AK's are incapable, I said AK's (not VEPR's) are incapable of hanging with an AR in accuracy. The fact still remains that competition range are filled with MOA capable AR's not VEPR's or "average" AK's. Know why? Because AR's are MORE ACCURATE. Now pull your dick out of your oatmeal and deal w/ it.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
You seem confused, I'm not arguing in a circle unlike yourself. You might have to read my posts over. Also your reading comprehension is fail I said that there are AKs that are as accurate as an AR I never once stated that all AKs are like that. Also AKs are very capable of being neck and neck with an AR using similar calibers. AR's are more accurate, are you retarded? I never once said AK is more accurate, not once. Learn to read kid.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 I noticed you used the term "fail". Yep, you are nothing more than a gamer with little hands on firearms experience let alone real training. Let me know if I can help you out with any certifications you may want when you are all grown up, princess
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
So using a word instantly puts you into a certain group? What kind of education did you receive, I'm starting to believe you barely made it out of grade school.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 You are fighting a losing battle. Why aren't there any AK's in long range competition if they are soooo capable of moa accuracy? Answer the fing question. You also contradict yourself. You say the overseas/corrosive surplus 7.62 AK47 ammo is not fit for the battlefield and contributes to the AK's poor accuracy. But then you say the overseas/corrosive surplus 5.45 AK 74 ammo can hang with an AR out to 700 to 1000 yards? Pick a side and stick with it. Here's a dollar, buy a clue!
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
AR's are more accurate when did I say otherwise? Read every single response I ever made to you I never once state it. Also you are trying to put words in my mouth I never said. I said people take ARs use good ammo and optics and compare accuracy to an AK that's usually beat up and the ammo is bad, however if you are using good ammo then you can have comparable accuracy assuming the AK is in decent condition. Keep making yourself look like a fool lol, learn to read.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 Circular logic strikes again. How can AK accuracy be "comparable" with an AR when in the same breath you say the AR is "more accurate". Fine with me. I sending you another dollar for another clue. Later.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23 To touch back on my last post. "comparable" in most peoples way of thinking means "somewhat equal". Not here, Pal.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
Circular logic but you can't even debate my points? I never once stated the AK system is more accurate than the AR system. Learn the difference between comparable and you will understand the point I'm trying to make. Instead of sending my "dollars" for clues go back to school. You can research every point I've made, I guarantee you I'm not wrong. Again I'll say it, AR's are more accurate inherently, but a good AK with a similar chambering will have similar accuracy.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 Debating your points? Ok, the AK 47 is less accurated than an AR because of shoddy corrossive ammo and an AK74 is just as accurate for the same reason (NOT!). M4's are maintained by armorers and AK's in other militaries are not maintained by armorers (NOT!). Accuracy past 300 yards is unimportant (NOT!) Ask our Marines under investigation after taking 4-600 yard head shots about that. Every AK out there is as accurate as an AR because they are VEPR grade(NOT!). Got it. We are done.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
You really can't read can you lol? You are now trying to put words in my mouth I never said. You can't even type correctly how do you plan to have a logical debate? I didn't compare an AK-47 to the M4, I said AKs in a similar chamber so that means AK 10x series or the 74. Yes they have comparable accuracy to an M4, however they are not more accurate, learn the difference. Accuracy past 300 yards in combat today is irrelevant, you have DMRs for anything past that.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
It's proven just about all engagements take place under 300 yards. Also find me that DoD investigation you were talking about, you never did that. I never said every AK is as accurate as an AR because they are VEPR grade, your reading really sucks. I said there are submoa capable AKs, one of them being a VEPR, SGL31's with good ammo are capable of this too. LEARN TO READ, I've stated all these points over and over, I'm guessing you didn't pass reading class.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 Yes most engagements are under 300 yards but NOT ALL. The capability to engage past 300 yards just common sense. Maybe not for you because common sense isn't common. You can do your own research about the investigation online. If you are that inept, ask someone more competent for help. You blanketly said AK's as a whole have comparabe accuracy with AR's which they do not. Then you site the uncommon VEPR to justificy your false info. I've read your crap well. Need a dollar?
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
See you can't even provide your own sources, I never said AKs as a whole, I said AKs that have been properly maintained and that are using good ammo with a similar chambering. You can't compare gun accuracy with two different rounds that perform very differently, so comparing a 7.62 chambered AK to an AR in 5.56 is illogical. You obviously haven't read anything well, take those dollars and buy yourself a book, maybe a dictionary.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 You compared the AK and AR accuracy wise. so are you saying that YOU made the illogical comparison. Yes, it appears so going by the standards you set. You also compared the AK 47 and AK 74 rounds. Circular logic strikes again. You can't even defend your own attempt to make invalid and ultimately arguable false information. You need some work princess.
GLOCKCOPG23 1 month ago
@GLOCKCOPG23
Yes I compared them, but I never stated the AK was more accurate than the AR, it seems you don't quite understand what circular logic is, but your reading comprehension seems to be lacking as well. I never stated false information, your delusional mind is trying to put words in my mouth yet again. You are very welcome to reread all my posts if you want, don't do that it might take you too long to sound the words out, lol. Go back to school kid, or read a book.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 You are insisting that ARs are more accurate than AKs, but there are some AKs out there that can shoot "somewhat on par" with some of the standard ARs? Did you consider that there are some ARs out there that are chambered to .308 or 7.62x51 that can shoot passed 1000 yards? Did you also take into consideration that when you build an AK for accuracy, you lose some reliability due to the more precise requirements of the platform?
48scorion 1 month ago
@48scorion
Actually you really don't lose reliability because if you read what I've said there are AKs that aren't chambered in 7.62. There are AKs chambered in .308 as well I don't see your point? That was never even brought up anyway, it was about .223/5.56, and an AK can be chambered in that. You people need to face the fact that AKs aren't so inaccurate as people make them seem. There are some pretty accurate AKs out there, SGL31 being one of those.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 There may be some pretty accurate AKs out there, but the ARs that are built for accuracy will beat out the AKs that are built for accuracy, that was my point. The biggest thing that AK has always had going for them was that they were reliable. Now that ARs are being made to withstand the sort of punishment in this video, just makes the rivalry all the more interesting and tilts the favor for ARs imho.
48scorion 1 month ago
@acidburn134 Also, you can't compare apples to oranges. If you are comparing the "standard" AK and the "standard" AR, then you are comparing a 7.62 to a 5.56 (not a .223 as they are different) if you look at the standard baselines for the platforms then that's what you're comparing, in which case the 5.56 beats u in accuracy. 7.62 has more energy at the point of impact, but it's the sacrifice you make with larger rounds. If you compare like calibers, the AR usually wins in accuracy
48scorion 1 month ago
@48scorion
As far as accuracy goes the only comparisons I made was the AK in 5.45x39 which performs similarly to 5.56. Also I never stated the AK was more accurate because it's not. However an AK in a caliber like 5.45 or 5.56 will perform pretty similar to a carbine length AR, which would be similar to an M4.
acidburn134 1 month ago
@acidburn134 The bullet would be the cause of any similarities, not the rifle, so the point is void to say that a variation of the AK can shoot "on par" with a standard AR. My point is still that there are variations of both weapons. I daresay that the AR chambered to .308 would out-perform the AK chambered in the same. Comparing the same round shot from both platforms will 'usually' leave you with more accurate groups with the AR. Simple fact of life. There's a reason we use them
48scorion 1 month ago