What you snooker fans have to realise is that, while it is easier to play 9-ball, it's easier for everybody else as well. What this means is that you have to be a lot better than everyone else in order to win consistently, otherwise luck will play too great a role in who wins or loses.
@nukm4 yup, exactly. the difficulty of a game doesn't have anything to do with how good the players are. also it is a lot easier to get away with a miss in snooker, or a lot easier to play a safety if poor position is played. neither sport is better than the other. stupid comparison
@pistolpeeroy I know you're very far down the evolutionary chain, but do try your best. If you can beat EVERY Pool player, then ok, you can say Pool is easy. The world knows you can't. Also, Pool would be boring for you, if all you do is rack balls!
Wtf are you guys allways talking about snooker? Snooker and pool is a difference between table tennis and tennis. It has nothing to do with each other. And Jimmy White and a lot of other snooker players like to play sometimes some Pool. You will never see a pool player playing some good snooker. But all snooker players are good pool players too. It is a different class. Just leave it like it is and enjoy the game.
pool is just an abbreviated version of snooker end of...in reality pool is a piece of piss!! nothin but a pub game! snooker n golf are the 2 hardest sports around (where skill is involved)!
Firstly we should point out that if any 9 ball players here go to play snooker, note that the size of the pockets on club tables are bigger than the pro tables. I tried a pro table and the pockets r unbelievably tight. 9 ball table in comparison is very easy. Best part about a pool player is their safety and having experience of the pattern of play. For the fundamentals of the game of course 9 ball is piss easy
Well then when you gets some professional billiard titles you can start calling this game "piss easy" until then...stop making a fool out of yourself...you only sound like an idiot!!!!
haha, thats such an unconvincing response. I didn't even answer the way you wanted for that pre-empted statement to work. Look I practice snooker, I've played lots but Im nowhere near turning pro, I'd have had to start at 8 years old to have had any chance the game's too hard, but, on the rare occasion Ive gone on a 9 ball table, it's been so easy I reckon I could compete with a pro tomorrow. Type in 'Jeremy Jones snooker' on youtube and see how badly a pro 9 ball player plays on a snooker table
Jeremy Jones?....... Jeremy Jones? Thats the example of a billiard pro your goin to use to show me how bad a billiard player is on a snooker table? You really are an idiot and you just proved it! Bye now I try not to have conversations like this with imbeciles of the billiard world!
That's what happen when you get the real deal. Should have been a wake up call to the americans. but 10 years on and they're still playing their kiddy games.
theres no doubt abouit it guys i play both games and snooker is by far the more difficult and skillfull game, although pool is more fun. dont believe me try it for yourselves!
It's amazing how much easier American Pool is to Snooker. Don't get me wrong.. American Pool is a good game and is fun but it's amazing how big the pockets are compared to a snooker table lol. Look at that ball at 0.09 that drops in the corner pocket, it hit the rail well before the pocket and still dropped in. In snooker if you clip the cushion slightly before the ball reaches the pocket it will rattle and stay out!
Thats actually the whole point of the game. Its supposed to be an offensive game where you can cheat the pockets to maneuvre the cueball with spin.. as well as angles. Snookerplayers never seem to get that.. Snooker is snooker and pool is pool.
thats not good for the audiance of the snooker because they have been tired of watching boring snooker , there is no flair like alex higgins or jimmy white used to produce. people incharge of snooker decided to make the pocket smaller and hence players cant make those maneuver anymore . If they find a object ball on the cusion with the cue ball strait they just pot the ball and take a U turn to the baulk line for safety. Snooker pockets should be restored to its original form.
if this game is easy then its for both players competing with each other. When the pockets are wide then its easy to control the cue ball. As soon as we have smaller pockets in snooker the game became dull because you are restricted from playing like alex higgins or jimmy white. Snooker became boring as the players play like a robotic poting machine. The standered snooker pockets where good for all players including the players who play with flair. From No. 1 sports once snooker is sliding down
The sizes of the balls and pockets are proportionate in each game. Neither one is harder or easier than the other. Making shots is different in each game, playing position, safeties, and patterns, all are different. The only part of the games that really are any type of similar are the fact that you're putting balls into pockets. There's no comparison of difficulty or anything else. You may as well be comparing soccer and rugby.
Is it now? And who determined that? Is there a ground council on cuesports that nobody knows about? Your idolization of snooker players leads you to say stupid things that make no sense. Where is snooker more difficult than pool? It may be more difficult for some of the people playing, but the sport itself isn't harder than any other. The person playing makes it tough. Their own inability or mental portion jams them up. Maybe a big table intimidates them? Who knows? Certainly not you anyway.
1. Can they now? After NEVER playing pool you expect me to believe that someone who plays snooker is a pro standard player in pool? Nice logic there..
2. See above in vice versa.
3. Your own experience is irrelevant. Perhaps the games are more difficult and easier for you, but not on a global standard.
4. Snooker balls are also smaller, so don't tell me that the balls aren't able to fit in there. If you play the right patterns, position is easy, if not, it's harder, which is in all games.
The table may be bigger, but if you have a straight stroke you're in business, and a straight stroke is required for all games, so don't feed me the bullshit that only snooker players stroke straight because you're full of it if you think that. Have you played a tournament table? Have you played a diamond table where the pockets are barely big enough to fit the balls in? I bet you've played on a bar table or a pool hall table where the pockets aren't shimmed. Learn the sports and drop the bs.
And one last thing for you, before making such a declaration of difficulty between the sports, make sure you are even in a position to say such a thing.
A person who plays both games cannot speak for the difficulty of the games, only the difficulty with themself. You can get as many people as you want, but all of their words are based off opinion, and opinion is not fact. The fact is, each cuesport is different, so each is difficult in its own right. There's no "higher sport", it's cuesports.
the balls and pockets are not proportionate. two balls can fit side by side in the pocket opening of an american pool table. a snooker table's pockets are one and a half times the size of the ball.
The balls can fit depending on how shimmed a table is. Some pockets you can't fit two balls in. Two balls are used to measure a sort of "standard pocket" size due to knowing the dimensions of a ball. Look up measuring pool table pockets and Greg Sullivan from Diamond demonstrates the concept. You can have pockets shimmed tighter. Even with the size of a pocket, you're still aiming at one part of it to play position (called cheating the pocket), no accuracy is diminished doing this.
It's not as if pool players just fire at a ball and get lucky enough to cheat the pocket, those types of shots are aimed, and sometimes even missed, but that's gambling hitting the point or the wrong speed and the ball bobbling.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if snooker pockets are 1.5 times the size of the ball, then the difference is only a half ball between pool and snooker. You mean to tell me an arguement of accuracy and "talent" is determined by half of a ball? Not proportionate hm?
Absolutely false. You can hit the rail in snooker too - you just can't hit it super hard :P If Pool is so easy for snooker players, why don't you see more snooker players in the top seats in nine ball? Why? Because different games - different skill sets.
american poo... sorry pool. what a joke! its like shooting into buckers.all you need is a steady aim, a decent cue and bam! easy pickings..... what a joke! play a real game pansies.
@cybitz159 you can´t compare Pool with snooker... totally different gameplay etc. when it´s easier, like you say, why are the snookerstars in the game of pool not succesfull?? in pool every ball counts... not so in snooker... makes a different pressure to the player... that´s my opinion...
@apofreez Personally I think that you can compare them with each other - if you can't, what can you compare them to?
Also what you said about snooker players not being big in the pool world, couldn't I just ask you why pool players aren't big snooker players? And your other point (each ball counting) - is really applicable to snooker. In snooker you get points for every ball but in 9 ball your opponent can run 1 through 8, miss the 9 and then you can win from there - unlike snooker.
@cybitz159 lol, just because it´s different... a poolplayer need other skills then a snookerplayer... in snooker you need very good position and high pocketing ability... in pool you don´t need it that high... but you need always the right angle (j. white´s runout is not perfectly played btw ^^) and you have to where the white is exactly going!! (use english etc)
@apofreez Sorry but what you just said was a bit contradictory. "Snooker players have better positioning but apparently they don't get the right angle"? (Putting the bigger table, smaller pockets argument aside) Although pool is difficult from some perspectives (in 9 ball you have to follow an order), I believe snooker to be harder as more consistency is needed (roughly 17 balls in a row needed for a frame) and positioning is normally harder (my opinion).
@cybitz159 yes, because, "perfect position" in snooker is almost straight in!!! if you play snooker with a "poolplayer-position-mentality " it would be Fail!! cause a poolplayer plays with larger angels, and thats deadly in snooker... and on the other way as well...
the positionplay in snooker is extremly exact in the small area, in pool you have to play position often in the "big position area"... i´m only a pooltrainer btw ;-)
@Mrphilharmonic don´t panic xD i only train people which do have a feeling for the game... stay on your "big green Table with small pockets" and imitate the great players...i´m surprised that you don´t know the differences between "pool angles" and the angels that are requried in snooker... but its senseless to disuss that because we´ve different opinions... have a nice day....
@nowheretorun86 If you mean world snooker champion then I have no idea. A lot of professional snooker player, for example Steve Davis, have said they find it unlikely that Jimmy White has never won a World Championship. He made to seven finals (I think) but never actually won. Still number two 7 times isn't bad and clearly means he isn't rubbish if that is what you are implying.
@nowheretorun86 I don't know how you expect me to answer that. If you want me to say that Ronnie O'Sullivan is a bad cue sports player I'm not going to because it isn't true. Everyone has good games and bad games. You can't take one loss in one tournament (in something that isn't even his first "sport") and use it justify an idea that Ronnie O'Sullivan is no good. I don't know why he lost - I didn't watch it.
@cybitz159 He lost because he is a snooker player and not a pool player. He has a terrible break and played poor position several times. I'm not igniting a debate between which players are better, just letting you know that snooker players do not make good players purely because of their shot making.
Snooker players are generally poor positional players and do not see the patterns and work their way around the table as well as pool players in 9 ball.
How do explain the fact that whenever snooker players come over here to play pool, they kick everyone's ass? Look at Alison, Karen and Julie!! Steve Davis trashed Earl Strickland as well.
I play both games and Snooker is a way more accurate game. Bigger table, smaller balls (more of them too!), MUCH smaller pockets. MUCH more pressure on each shot.
I'll concede that pool is more 'creative' a game, but snooker demands more accuracy on EVERY shot, making position MUCH harder.
@Mrphilharmonic Errr no snooker player do not 'kick everyone's ass'
In terms of potting, snooker is much more difficult, however pool players must get pin point position otherwise the will often get blocked by other balls or fall out of position. Snooker players have a larger area to fall out of line.
@sheeplovebeer I'll agree with you on your point about breaking!
I STILL can't break for shit.
Bustamante is the KING for that!! No one in the game breaks harder than he.
I would love to see a 'grand tournament' of 8 of the best pool players v 8 of the best snooker players and see who triumphs.
Maybe if I win the lottery I'll set it up!! $4,000,000 to the winning team!!! Can you imagine? Maybe 4 women and 4 guys on each team. I wouldn't want to be sexist now would I? ha! Waddaya think?
@Mrphilharmonic Yeah, breaking goes against all the physics and laws of snooker.
You're supposed to shift your weight, move your body, lift your head. Snooker player are taught to keep their body as still and balanced as possible so it really is a difficult concept.
yeah snooker players who play 8ball or 9 ball, usually use a snooker cue, but defintly must have a break cue haha, i remember ronnie playing 8ball with a snooker cue also.
I think this video is a good example of why snooker players play 9-ball well but rarely reach the top of the sport. Often times tremendous potting ability can carry them through poor position and pattern plays. Sooner or later, however, being an inch off here and an inch of there will dig a hole that a person can't always pot their way out of.
I think snooker players are a hell load better at positional play, but the dimension of the table is so different that they don't think of the shots in ways as pool players do. I think they also don't win the tournaments because they quite simply don't care a lot.
I hear that a lot, "they just don't care." Come on now, anybody who competes in ANYTHING on a world class level cares if they win or not. It's in their blood. If it wasn't, they would never win anything. Maybe after LOSING in pool a snooker player will say they don't care, but then that isn't too surprising, is it? It's kinda funny, all you snooker fans always have 100 reasons why snooker players are so superior to pool players, but 101 excuses why they never win in pool.
As I said, the dimensions and properties of tables also make it hard. That's why a pool player will never be able to get into the top 4 of snooker players, and a snooker player will never be able to get into the top 4 of pool. They think in different solutions(this is even more evident when you look at 3-cushion players playing pool or snooker). And I remain adamant that they won't feel as bad after losing a pool match, as after losing a snooker match. They care, but just not enough to win.
I agree, I had just noticed lately that despite being incredible cueists, snooker players seem to struggle with position and pattern play in pool. Like you said they see things differently, often times (for example) concentrating on execution and playing to fuller hits, instead of concentrating on keeping angles and creating natural patterns around the table. That's not to say that they are less skilled, just that they have honed a slightly different skill set.
sort of agre but i think a top snooker player could possible getinto the elite of 9 ball if they had more time to practice ie when they retire from snooker. but never ever in a million years will a top pool playr even get anywhere near the top 100 in snooker not a chance tto be a top snooker player is a gift start playing about the age of 5 and they practice 7-8 = hours everyday without fail . you could win a pool tournament after only playing for a few years with abit of luck sure
but they do win in pool...maybe not quite often, but they do. also i think you can't realy compare snooker with pool. there are so many differences. but i think a snooker professional would at least be able to be at eye level with most pool pro's, but not vice versa. at least i never heard of a pool pro who tried / was able to participate in the snooker main tour, but i heard of some snooker pro's who were able to win every now and then a pool tournament or beat some pool legends.
mark shelby was a pool player now he is playing snooker and he is one of the best. You should watch him playing against ronnie at the masters.İ cant remember when but i am quite sure he won some tournaments in both 8 and 9 balls.if it is hard for a pool player to win against the snooker pro's it is impossible for all the snooker pro's to win against Efren at 8 Balls.
@benmadukgeldim well maybe selby started his career in pool, but he plays snooker for a quite long time now, and nobody seriously would think of a pool player when you watch him play. if one of the snooker top pro players would seriously consider to switch to pool he would be one the best pool players after a view seasons. but thats not the point...
@benmadukgeldim ...the point is that pool and snooker are different games, and in my opinion its easier for a snooker player to play pool as it is for a pool player to play snooker. but that doesnt mean a pool player wouldnt be good at snooker.
mark shelby was a pool player now he is playing snooker and he is one of the best. You should watch him playing against ronnie at the masters.İ cant remember when but i am quite sure he won some tournaments in both 8 and 9 balls.if it is hard for a pool player to win against the snooker pro's it is impossible for all the snooker pro's to win against Efren at 8 Balls.
@TASK104 Errm... to be honest, most top Snooker players wouldn't bother wasting too much time on Pool, the money is nowhere near what it is in Snooker. That's why it's only for fun for them. Same reason I play Pool, just for light entertainment. Don't get me wrong, I love and respect both games, but I get more satisfaction from a high break than a run-out or a break-out. Also, if I'm tired, I can still play Pool, but not Snooker.
@ftbsrlak I was just commenting on why I believe snooker players don't do well in 9ball, despite possessing such great skill. Obviously no professional would have any desire to switch to a less profitable sport.
9 ball is probably the simplest form of pool. Perhaps you would get more enjoyment from 14.1.
@TASK104 Actually, in pool you can pot your way out of situations that(on a snooker table) would mean that you had a horribly difficult shot, and thus in snooker you have to be far more precise with your positional play. In snooker your goal is not to need any tremendous potting ability, through proper positional play. I'd say that as long as you can see the ball(in pool), you can make the shot most of the time; that is far from true in snooker.
@OsirisGOLAD My comment wasn't to say that snooker players are less skilled in cue ball control, but rather that they often play position and execute patterns in ways that would be considered "incorrect" when playing 9-ball pool. It's just my opinion, but I think this is why they usually haven't fared weill in 9-ball, despite being such skilled cueists. In hind sight though, this video probably isn't the best example of that. Criticizing the way Jimmy ran out here is probably splitting hairs.
@OsirisGOLAD Sorry but this is the most stupid comment I have ever heard. Why would one player concerntrate on his positional play so much that he doesn,t pot the balls. If you don't pot the ball then you can't continue your break. So just shut the fuck up ok. Positional play comes second to potting. But is important
@SuperB1GJ0HN Because if you miss the next pot because of your poor positional play, the previous shot wasn't much use in the first place seeing as you're just potting balls for your oponnent if you miss afterwards. No need to get a heart-attack, there there.
@TASK104 Well said.... well said. POTTING is easier in pool but there's so much more to both snooker and pool than the pot. They are very different games.
9-ball players and snooker players have slightly different equations in abilities. Snooker players are usually very accurate at potting but play to huge position zones. Pool Players have much better control of the cue balls speed and spin playing to smaller position zones. One thing is for sure, no snooker player is going to suddenly come to pool and start playing like a Reyes. Reyes has won a snooker competition and had plenty centuries but he's not going to play snooker like a Hendry.
yea ill have to agree with that i play 9 ball a bunch and about once a month play snooker and thats when i struggle the most though it does tighten my 9 ball game up.
markg231086 absolutely agreed.estimate 147 with 15 red 15 black.with a free ball could be played a colour and goes 148 and with a black 155.the highest recorded is 148 but in a preliminary game
Snooker needs more skill than pool thats why average pub players can can clear a pool table up (yes i know there is less balls than snooker)but a top pool only player would be lucking to get a 50-70 break where as any snooker player ranked in the top 200 players would have a highest break of at least 100 if not the max of 147..........yes 155 with a free ball
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poor analogy, this game requires less skill to play than snooker. therefore the skill margin on pool is far smaller (meaning there are allot more people who have mastered the game) while the skill margin in snooker is far larger only a few people have mastered it.
A snooker player hasn't won it because they are so used to having to be EXTREMELY precise, they simply aren't fully aware of how to use the table to their full advantage. I'm not knocking the 9ball players, they do some awesome things, because they have that knowledge, but put 'em on a snooker table and most of them would struggle. (There are, of course, exceptions, Oliver Ortmann comes to mind).
most top 9 ball players are not just 9 ball players. alex pagulayan is extremely proficient in snooker. corey deuel is a great snooker player also. efren reyes destroyed top snooker players with a pool cue. oliver ortmann as well? the only reason some of them would struggle is simply because they dont put the time in to learn the game, as snooker players dont putt he time in learning 9-ball. most top pool palyers are good enough cueists to play well on a snooker table at the very least.
you're all so stupid, bigger pockets AND bigger balls therefore it's not the size of the pockets it's the size relative to the balls, the pockets are LOOSER not 'bigger' it doesnt make any difference, I play both and find english pool way easier than 9 ball where u have only 1 ball to shoot at
i totally agree with rooten the game is so easy its liek another video i watched earlia the ball came off the cushion a good 12 inches before the pocket and it still went! if your going to play a ball and cue game, snooker is the only one you should play
What you snooker fans have to realise is that, while it is easier to play 9-ball, it's easier for everybody else as well. What this means is that you have to be a lot better than everyone else in order to win consistently, otherwise luck will play too great a role in who wins or loses.
nukm4 9 months ago
@nukm4 yup, exactly. the difficulty of a game doesn't have anything to do with how good the players are. also it is a lot easier to get away with a miss in snooker, or a lot easier to play a safety if poor position is played. neither sport is better than the other. stupid comparison
vincentwu 7 months ago
Some good pool players,play really good snooker,too.
So-called snooker specialists never like to see them enter their tournaments.
poolshark7896 1 year ago
@poolshark7896 FUCK POOL ITS FAR TOOO EASY SON, SNOOKERS FAR TO HARD, DU WANT CHALLENGE OR A BORIN GAME OF POOL?
pistolpeeroy 1 year ago
@pistolpeeroy I know you're very far down the evolutionary chain, but do try your best. If you can beat EVERY Pool player, then ok, you can say Pool is easy. The world knows you can't. Also, Pool would be boring for you, if all you do is rack balls!
ftbsrlak 1 year ago
Wtf are you guys allways talking about snooker? Snooker and pool is a difference between table tennis and tennis. It has nothing to do with each other. And Jimmy White and a lot of other snooker players like to play sometimes some Pool. You will never see a pool player playing some good snooker. But all snooker players are good pool players too. It is a different class. Just leave it like it is and enjoy the game.
serratop 1 year ago
Jimmy SUCKS !!!!
omermansur 1 year ago
ITS A PITY JIMBO CANNAE FUCKING DO THAT ON A SNOOKER TABLE ANYMORE!!! Hail king Hendry.........TRUE CHAMPION
hearts76100 1 year ago
Jimmy's got a toupee on there, but now he wears a full wig. Thanks for showing me this. :)
sirtinycreep 1 year ago
pool is just an abbreviated version of snooker end of...in reality pool is a piece of piss!! nothin but a pub game! snooker n golf are the 2 hardest sports around (where skill is involved)!
pistolpeeroy 1 year ago
Firstly we should point out that if any 9 ball players here go to play snooker, note that the size of the pockets on club tables are bigger than the pro tables. I tried a pro table and the pockets r unbelievably tight. 9 ball table in comparison is very easy. Best part about a pool player is their safety and having experience of the pattern of play. For the fundamentals of the game of course 9 ball is piss easy
TepidVision 1 year ago
@TepidVision o ya...how many professional pool titles have you got?
plmijnygcrdzwaquyijo 1 year ago
None, but I've also no titles in tiddlywinks either
TepidVision 1 year ago
Well then when you gets some professional billiard titles you can start calling this game "piss easy" until then...stop making a fool out of yourself...you only sound like an idiot!!!!
plmijnygcrdzwaquyijo 1 year ago
haha, thats such an unconvincing response. I didn't even answer the way you wanted for that pre-empted statement to work. Look I practice snooker, I've played lots but Im nowhere near turning pro, I'd have had to start at 8 years old to have had any chance the game's too hard, but, on the rare occasion Ive gone on a 9 ball table, it's been so easy I reckon I could compete with a pro tomorrow. Type in 'Jeremy Jones snooker' on youtube and see how badly a pro 9 ball player plays on a snooker table
TepidVision 1 year ago
Jeremy Jones?....... Jeremy Jones? Thats the example of a billiard pro your goin to use to show me how bad a billiard player is on a snooker table? You really are an idiot and you just proved it! Bye now I try not to have conversations like this with imbeciles of the billiard world!
plmijnygcrdzwaquyijo 1 year ago
Yeah, Jeremy Jones, only made the USA Mosconi cup team on seven occasions
TepidVision 1 year ago
Won the U.S Open in 2003 to but I still don't care!!!
plmijnygcrdzwaquyijo 1 year ago
That's what happen when you get the real deal. Should have been a wake up call to the americans. but 10 years on and they're still playing their kiddy games.
SodatSobat 2 years ago
theres no doubt abouit it guys i play both games and snooker is by far the more difficult and skillfull game, although pool is more fun. dont believe me try it for yourselves!
038403 2 years ago
i believed that the snooker is harder to play than pool.
U can just try to play a game of it,and u will definitely agreed with me.
I mean no trouble and i am not trying to start a fued with anyone who is disagree with my opinion.
saiyukidream 2 years ago
niceeee
TheArmin22 2 years ago
did he reached the semi finals that year?
Niksana951 2 years ago
It's amazing how much easier American Pool is to Snooker. Don't get me wrong.. American Pool is a good game and is fun but it's amazing how big the pockets are compared to a snooker table lol. Look at that ball at 0.09 that drops in the corner pocket, it hit the rail well before the pocket and still dropped in. In snooker if you clip the cushion slightly before the ball reaches the pocket it will rattle and stay out!
Andyc18 2 years ago
0:09*
Andyc18 2 years ago
Thats actually the whole point of the game. Its supposed to be an offensive game where you can cheat the pockets to maneuvre the cueball with spin.. as well as angles. Snookerplayers never seem to get that.. Snooker is snooker and pool is pool.
shinobi74 2 years ago
thats not good for the audiance of the snooker because they have been tired of watching boring snooker , there is no flair like alex higgins or jimmy white used to produce. people incharge of snooker decided to make the pocket smaller and hence players cant make those maneuver anymore . If they find a object ball on the cusion with the cue ball strait they just pot the ball and take a U turn to the baulk line for safety. Snooker pockets should be restored to its original form.
partridgecaravan 2 years ago
if this game is easy then its for both players competing with each other. When the pockets are wide then its easy to control the cue ball. As soon as we have smaller pockets in snooker the game became dull because you are restricted from playing like alex higgins or jimmy white. Snooker became boring as the players play like a robotic poting machine. The standered snooker pockets where good for all players including the players who play with flair. From No. 1 sports once snooker is sliding down
partridgecaravan 2 years ago
The sizes of the balls and pockets are proportionate in each game. Neither one is harder or easier than the other. Making shots is different in each game, playing position, safeties, and patterns, all are different. The only part of the games that really are any type of similar are the fact that you're putting balls into pockets. There's no comparison of difficulty or anything else. You may as well be comparing soccer and rugby.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
It is a fact that snooker is more difficult than pool. A fact.
DLPBurke 2 years ago
Is it now? And who determined that? Is there a ground council on cuesports that nobody knows about? Your idolization of snooker players leads you to say stupid things that make no sense. Where is snooker more difficult than pool? It may be more difficult for some of the people playing, but the sport itself isn't harder than any other. The person playing makes it tough. Their own inability or mental portion jams them up. Maybe a big table intimidates them? Who knows? Certainly not you anyway.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Here, learn this logic:
1. Snooker players can automatically play pool to pro standard
2. Pool players cannot automatically play snooker to pro standard
3. My highest break in snooker is 29 but I can clear a whole pool table.
4. Snooker pockets are much smaller and tighter, positonal play is harder and the table is BIGGER.
Hmmm. Is logic sinking in yet?
DLPBurke 2 years ago
1. Can they now? After NEVER playing pool you expect me to believe that someone who plays snooker is a pro standard player in pool? Nice logic there..
2. See above in vice versa.
3. Your own experience is irrelevant. Perhaps the games are more difficult and easier for you, but not on a global standard.
4. Snooker balls are also smaller, so don't tell me that the balls aren't able to fit in there. If you play the right patterns, position is easy, if not, it's harder, which is in all games.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
The table may be bigger, but if you have a straight stroke you're in business, and a straight stroke is required for all games, so don't feed me the bullshit that only snooker players stroke straight because you're full of it if you think that. Have you played a tournament table? Have you played a diamond table where the pockets are barely big enough to fit the balls in? I bet you've played on a bar table or a pool hall table where the pockets aren't shimmed. Learn the sports and drop the bs.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
And one last thing for you, before making such a declaration of difficulty between the sports, make sure you are even in a position to say such a thing.
A person who plays both games cannot speak for the difficulty of the games, only the difficulty with themself. You can get as many people as you want, but all of their words are based off opinion, and opinion is not fact. The fact is, each cuesport is different, so each is difficult in its own right. There's no "higher sport", it's cuesports.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
lmao, have you even played snooker? You haven't got a clue and I am not debating a fact with you like it is an opinion. Sorry.
DLPBurke 2 years ago
@DLPBurke i'm gonna tell u a fucking fact, ye snooker players need to get over snooker, and yourselfs, thats a fact ye fucking tools
plmijnygcrdzwaquyijo 1 year ago
the balls and pockets are not proportionate. two balls can fit side by side in the pocket opening of an american pool table. a snooker table's pockets are one and a half times the size of the ball.
eddrumkee 2 years ago
The balls can fit depending on how shimmed a table is. Some pockets you can't fit two balls in. Two balls are used to measure a sort of "standard pocket" size due to knowing the dimensions of a ball. Look up measuring pool table pockets and Greg Sullivan from Diamond demonstrates the concept. You can have pockets shimmed tighter. Even with the size of a pocket, you're still aiming at one part of it to play position (called cheating the pocket), no accuracy is diminished doing this.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
It's not as if pool players just fire at a ball and get lucky enough to cheat the pocket, those types of shots are aimed, and sometimes even missed, but that's gambling hitting the point or the wrong speed and the ball bobbling.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if snooker pockets are 1.5 times the size of the ball, then the difference is only a half ball between pool and snooker. You mean to tell me an arguement of accuracy and "talent" is determined by half of a ball? Not proportionate hm?
SnareBuff 2 years ago
I didn't say anything about talent. I said the ball-to-pocket ratio is not proportionate - which it isn't.
I play both pool and snooker so I know the differences between the games quite well. I'm guessing you have never played snooker?
eddrumkee 2 years ago
Absolutely false. You can hit the rail in snooker too - you just can't hit it super hard :P If Pool is so easy for snooker players, why don't you see more snooker players in the top seats in nine ball? Why? Because different games - different skill sets.
locorossco 2 years ago
thats like asking why roger federer doesnt play in a county ping-pong game. or why tiger woods doesnt play in his local pitch and putt league!
eddrumkee 2 years ago 2
american poo... sorry pool. what a joke! its like shooting into buckers.all you need is a steady aim, a decent cue and bam! easy pickings..... what a joke! play a real game pansies.
grahamdavidson007 2 years ago
u dunno what ur talkin bout, not that easy as it looks...potting might be easier, positionings not
jackeees 2 years ago
Definetly a lot easier then snooker. Bigger table, smaller pockets, more balls so longer requirement for consistency.
cybitz159 2 years ago 13
@cybitz159 you can´t compare Pool with snooker... totally different gameplay etc. when it´s easier, like you say, why are the snookerstars in the game of pool not succesfull?? in pool every ball counts... not so in snooker... makes a different pressure to the player... that´s my opinion...
apofreez 1 year ago
@apofreez Personally I think that you can compare them with each other - if you can't, what can you compare them to?
Also what you said about snooker players not being big in the pool world, couldn't I just ask you why pool players aren't big snooker players? And your other point (each ball counting) - is really applicable to snooker. In snooker you get points for every ball but in 9 ball your opponent can run 1 through 8, miss the 9 and then you can win from there - unlike snooker.
cybitz159 1 year ago
@cybitz159 lol, just because it´s different... a poolplayer need other skills then a snookerplayer... in snooker you need very good position and high pocketing ability... in pool you don´t need it that high... but you need always the right angle (j. white´s runout is not perfectly played btw ^^) and you have to where the white is exactly going!! (use english etc)
apofreez 1 year ago
@apofreez Sorry but what you just said was a bit contradictory. "Snooker players have better positioning but apparently they don't get the right angle"? (Putting the bigger table, smaller pockets argument aside) Although pool is difficult from some perspectives (in 9 ball you have to follow an order), I believe snooker to be harder as more consistency is needed (roughly 17 balls in a row needed for a frame) and positioning is normally harder (my opinion).
cybitz159 1 year ago
@cybitz159 yes, because, "perfect position" in snooker is almost straight in!!! if you play snooker with a "poolplayer-position-mentality " it would be Fail!! cause a poolplayer plays with larger angels, and thats deadly in snooker... and on the other way as well...
the positionplay in snooker is extremly exact in the small area, in pool you have to play position often in the "big position area"... i´m only a pooltrainer btw ;-)
apofreez 1 year ago
@apofreez A pool trainer? With your idea of snooker, I hope you never train me!!
Mrphilharmonic 1 year ago
@Mrphilharmonic don´t panic xD i only train people which do have a feeling for the game... stay on your "big green Table with small pockets" and imitate the great players...i´m surprised that you don´t know the differences between "pool angles" and the angels that are requried in snooker... but its senseless to disuss that because we´ve different opinions... have a nice day....
apofreez 1 year ago
@cybitz159 RIGHT ON!!! (You also have to follow an 'order' - not rotation obviously - in snooker - red, colour, red, colour etc.)
If anyone thinks snooker is easy they're probably playing it on a pool table!!
Mrphilharmonic 1 year ago
@cybitz159 why jimmy wasn't champion?
nowheretorun86 1 year ago
@nowheretorun86 If you mean world snooker champion then I have no idea. A lot of professional snooker player, for example Steve Davis, have said they find it unlikely that Jimmy White has never won a World Championship. He made to seven finals (I think) but never actually won. Still number two 7 times isn't bad and clearly means he isn't rubbish if that is what you are implying.
cybitz159 1 year ago
@cybitz159 why o'sullivan lost to 17 years old Wu chia ching in world pool master?
nowheretorun86 1 year ago
@nowheretorun86 I don't know how you expect me to answer that. If you want me to say that Ronnie O'Sullivan is a bad cue sports player I'm not going to because it isn't true. Everyone has good games and bad games. You can't take one loss in one tournament (in something that isn't even his first "sport") and use it justify an idea that Ronnie O'Sullivan is no good. I don't know why he lost - I didn't watch it.
cybitz159 1 year ago
@cybitz159 He lost because he is a snooker player and not a pool player. He has a terrible break and played poor position several times. I'm not igniting a debate between which players are better, just letting you know that snooker players do not make good players purely because of their shot making.
Snooker players are generally poor positional players and do not see the patterns and work their way around the table as well as pool players in 9 ball.
sheeplovebeer 1 year ago
Are you serious?
How do explain the fact that whenever snooker players come over here to play pool, they kick everyone's ass? Look at Alison, Karen and Julie!! Steve Davis trashed Earl Strickland as well.
I play both games and Snooker is a way more accurate game. Bigger table, smaller balls (more of them too!), MUCH smaller pockets. MUCH more pressure on each shot.
I'll concede that pool is more 'creative' a game, but snooker demands more accuracy on EVERY shot, making position MUCH harder.
Mrphilharmonic 1 year ago
@Mrphilharmonic Errr no snooker player do not 'kick everyone's ass'
In terms of potting, snooker is much more difficult, however pool players must get pin point position otherwise the will often get blocked by other balls or fall out of position. Snooker players have a larger area to fall out of line.
Also snooker players can't break for shit
sheeplovebeer 1 year ago
@sheeplovebeer I'll agree with you on your point about breaking!
I STILL can't break for shit.
Bustamante is the KING for that!! No one in the game breaks harder than he.
I would love to see a 'grand tournament' of 8 of the best pool players v 8 of the best snooker players and see who triumphs.
Maybe if I win the lottery I'll set it up!! $4,000,000 to the winning team!!! Can you imagine? Maybe 4 women and 4 guys on each team. I wouldn't want to be sexist now would I? ha! Waddaya think?
Mrphilharmonic 1 year ago
@Mrphilharmonic Yeah, breaking goes against all the physics and laws of snooker.
You're supposed to shift your weight, move your body, lift your head. Snooker player are taught to keep their body as still and balanced as possible so it really is a difficult concept.
sheeplovebeer 1 year ago
@nowheretorun86 He probably got BORED!!
Mrphilharmonic 1 year ago
dead right...2 fucking easy...
elliottjack369 2 years ago
whats a breakin cue?
doiwantsomerandom 2 years ago
yeah snooker players who play 8ball or 9 ball, usually use a snooker cue, but defintly must have a break cue haha, i remember ronnie playing 8ball with a snooker cue also.
Bluejet99 2 years ago
yeh a snooker players cue is like there arm tehy get a feel for a cue and usualy keep it all there playing days
moonpigeon80 2 years ago
@moonpigeon80 I think you mean "their", not "there"!!
Mrphilharmonic 1 year ago
'not that much power from the body movement but still good development of the balls'..... thats cos snooker players are true cueists....
jkillers07 2 years ago 2
Many of them are. Table breaks exceptionally easy, though, too, as one can tell immediately. No use breaking them any harder there.
LeonFleisherFan 2 years ago
his jimmy using a snooker cue or a 9 ball cue
droberts09 3 years ago
Looks like it, I think he's got a breaking cue too.
MikeBingo1 2 years ago
I think this video is a good example of why snooker players play 9-ball well but rarely reach the top of the sport. Often times tremendous potting ability can carry them through poor position and pattern plays. Sooner or later, however, being an inch off here and an inch of there will dig a hole that a person can't always pot their way out of.
TASK104 3 years ago 10
I think snooker players are a hell load better at positional play, but the dimension of the table is so different that they don't think of the shots in ways as pool players do. I think they also don't win the tournaments because they quite simply don't care a lot.
OsirisGOLAD 3 years ago
I hear that a lot, "they just don't care." Come on now, anybody who competes in ANYTHING on a world class level cares if they win or not. It's in their blood. If it wasn't, they would never win anything. Maybe after LOSING in pool a snooker player will say they don't care, but then that isn't too surprising, is it? It's kinda funny, all you snooker fans always have 100 reasons why snooker players are so superior to pool players, but 101 excuses why they never win in pool.
TASK104 3 years ago 2
As I said, the dimensions and properties of tables also make it hard. That's why a pool player will never be able to get into the top 4 of snooker players, and a snooker player will never be able to get into the top 4 of pool. They think in different solutions(this is even more evident when you look at 3-cushion players playing pool or snooker). And I remain adamant that they won't feel as bad after losing a pool match, as after losing a snooker match. They care, but just not enough to win.
OsirisGOLAD 3 years ago
I agree, I had just noticed lately that despite being incredible cueists, snooker players seem to struggle with position and pattern play in pool. Like you said they see things differently, often times (for example) concentrating on execution and playing to fuller hits, instead of concentrating on keeping angles and creating natural patterns around the table. That's not to say that they are less skilled, just that they have honed a slightly different skill set.
TASK104 3 years ago
sort of agre but i think a top snooker player could possible getinto the elite of 9 ball if they had more time to practice ie when they retire from snooker. but never ever in a million years will a top pool playr even get anywhere near the top 100 in snooker not a chance tto be a top snooker player is a gift start playing about the age of 5 and they practice 7-8 = hours everyday without fail . you could win a pool tournament after only playing for a few years with abit of luck sure
moonpigeon80 2 years ago 2
top pool player 1. mark selby 2. joe perry, 3. neil robertson. 4. chris melling all pool players all (have been in top 100)
mrcumbria 2 years ago
@TASK104
but they do win in pool...maybe not quite often, but they do. also i think you can't realy compare snooker with pool. there are so many differences. but i think a snooker professional would at least be able to be at eye level with most pool pro's, but not vice versa. at least i never heard of a pool pro who tried / was able to participate in the snooker main tour, but i heard of some snooker pro's who were able to win every now and then a pool tournament or beat some pool legends.
upgurke 1 year ago
mark shelby was a pool player now he is playing snooker and he is one of the best. You should watch him playing against ronnie at the masters.İ cant remember when but i am quite sure he won some tournaments in both 8 and 9 balls.if it is hard for a pool player to win against the snooker pro's it is impossible for all the snooker pro's to win against Efren at 8 Balls.
benmadukgeldim 1 year ago
@benmadukgeldim well maybe selby started his career in pool, but he plays snooker for a quite long time now, and nobody seriously would think of a pool player when you watch him play. if one of the snooker top pro players would seriously consider to switch to pool he would be one the best pool players after a view seasons. but thats not the point...
upgurke 1 year ago
@benmadukgeldim ...the point is that pool and snooker are different games, and in my opinion its easier for a snooker player to play pool as it is for a pool player to play snooker. but that doesnt mean a pool player wouldnt be good at snooker.
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mark shelby was a pool player now he is playing snooker and he is one of the best. You should watch him playing against ronnie at the masters.İ cant remember when but i am quite sure he won some tournaments in both 8 and 9 balls.if it is hard for a pool player to win against the snooker pro's it is impossible for all the snooker pro's to win against Efren at 8 Balls.
benmadukgeldim 1 year ago
@TASK104 Errm... to be honest, most top Snooker players wouldn't bother wasting too much time on Pool, the money is nowhere near what it is in Snooker. That's why it's only for fun for them. Same reason I play Pool, just for light entertainment. Don't get me wrong, I love and respect both games, but I get more satisfaction from a high break than a run-out or a break-out. Also, if I'm tired, I can still play Pool, but not Snooker.
ftbsrlak 1 year ago
@ftbsrlak I was just commenting on why I believe snooker players don't do well in 9ball, despite possessing such great skill. Obviously no professional would have any desire to switch to a less profitable sport.
9 ball is probably the simplest form of pool. Perhaps you would get more enjoyment from 14.1.
TASK104 1 year ago
@TASK104 Actually, in pool you can pot your way out of situations that(on a snooker table) would mean that you had a horribly difficult shot, and thus in snooker you have to be far more precise with your positional play. In snooker your goal is not to need any tremendous potting ability, through proper positional play. I'd say that as long as you can see the ball(in pool), you can make the shot most of the time; that is far from true in snooker.
OsirisGOLAD 1 year ago
@OsirisGOLAD My comment wasn't to say that snooker players are less skilled in cue ball control, but rather that they often play position and execute patterns in ways that would be considered "incorrect" when playing 9-ball pool. It's just my opinion, but I think this is why they usually haven't fared weill in 9-ball, despite being such skilled cueists. In hind sight though, this video probably isn't the best example of that. Criticizing the way Jimmy ran out here is probably splitting hairs.
TASK104 1 year ago
@OsirisGOLAD Sorry but this is the most stupid comment I have ever heard. Why would one player concerntrate on his positional play so much that he doesn,t pot the balls. If you don't pot the ball then you can't continue your break. So just shut the fuck up ok. Positional play comes second to potting. But is important
SuperB1GJ0HN 1 month ago
@SuperB1GJ0HN Because if you miss the next pot because of your poor positional play, the previous shot wasn't much use in the first place seeing as you're just potting balls for your oponnent if you miss afterwards. No need to get a heart-attack, there there.
OsirisGOLAD 1 month ago
@SuperB1GJ0HN You obviously don't play much pool......
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SuperB1GJ0HN 1 month ago
@TASK104 Well said.... well said. POTTING is easier in pool but there's so much more to both snooker and pool than the pot. They are very different games.
BataMusa 8 months ago
@TASK104 ARE YOU SERIOUSLY DOUBTING A SNOOKER PLAYERS POSITION PLAY?! FUCKIN HELL WHAT IS IT WITH FAT YANK FUCKS...
pistolpeeroy 4 months ago
9-ball players and snooker players have slightly different equations in abilities. Snooker players are usually very accurate at potting but play to huge position zones. Pool Players have much better control of the cue balls speed and spin playing to smaller position zones. One thing is for sure, no snooker player is going to suddenly come to pool and start playing like a Reyes. Reyes has won a snooker competition and had plenty centuries but he's not going to play snooker like a Hendry.
mtb2004uk 3 years ago
if you can get a 12 break at snooker pool is a walk in the park
cricketsam64 3 years ago 2
is this a gold crown III or IV?
rabbit70warhammer 3 years ago
that's a IV. Brunwick fixed the problem of the Pocket liners with the IVs. They're flush with the rails now.
aardvaark069 3 years ago
What I wouln't pay, just to become one of Mr White's disciple. Funny that they had to wear a vest but without the bow tie.
SodatSobat 3 years ago
yea ill have to agree with that i play 9 ball a bunch and about once a month play snooker and thats when i struggle the most though it does tighten my 9 ball game up.
loopycaleb 3 years ago
Actually someone had a 155. That someone is Jamie Cope. And it was in an official match. So that is the highest break ever.
tomk1106 4 years ago
That was in a practise match. Jamie Burnett had a 148 in an official qualifier.
dantuck7 4 years ago
markg231086 absolutely agreed.estimate 147 with 15 red 15 black.with a free ball could be played a colour and goes 148 and with a black 155.the highest recorded is 148 but in a preliminary game
BestBuddy16 4 years ago
You can get a 155 break, but the highest ever recorded is 148, so in fact Rossyt you are in fact, the jackass.
markg231086 4 years ago
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you cant get 155 jackass only 148
rossyt 4 years ago
It's not Paul Hunter!
stuartgunthorpe 4 years ago 3
Snooker needs more skill than pool thats why average pub players can can clear a pool table up (yes i know there is less balls than snooker)but a top pool only player would be lucking to get a 50-70 break where as any snooker player ranked in the top 200 players would have a highest break of at least 100 if not the max of 147..........yes 155 with a free ball
p1nkfloyd 4 years ago
This is just potting practice for snooker players. I agree...RIP Paul Hunter - from Leeds, my neck of the woods. Rack em up in heaven.
pisswizzard 4 years ago 3
RIP hunter
tdrules 4 years ago
that's paul hunter you're thinking off. the dude in this is some fella called M Hunter
stevehennessy 4 years ago 5
ohhhhhhhhhhh, still.......RIP hunter
tdrules 4 years ago
definitely. very sad
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hollowedhead 4 years ago
he doesn't need the bridge because a fucking legend duh
Stimpynator 4 years ago
So can you explain why a snooker player hasn't won it?
dazzlecamouflage 4 years ago
poor analogy, this game requires less skill to play than snooker. therefore the skill margin on pool is far smaller (meaning there are allot more people who have mastered the game) while the skill margin in snooker is far larger only a few people have mastered it.
111sparda111 4 years ago 2
A snooker player hasn't won it because they are so used to having to be EXTREMELY precise, they simply aren't fully aware of how to use the table to their full advantage. I'm not knocking the 9ball players, they do some awesome things, because they have that knowledge, but put 'em on a snooker table and most of them would struggle. (There are, of course, exceptions, Oliver Ortmann comes to mind).
gavpots 4 years ago
most top 9 ball players are not just 9 ball players. alex pagulayan is extremely proficient in snooker. corey deuel is a great snooker player also. efren reyes destroyed top snooker players with a pool cue. oliver ortmann as well? the only reason some of them would struggle is simply because they dont put the time in to learn the game, as snooker players dont putt he time in learning 9-ball. most top pool palyers are good enough cueists to play well on a snooker table at the very least.
phixxwutwut 3 years ago
You may be right, obviously there are some beautiful cueists on the 9-ball circuit. I'll amend "most" to "many".
gavpots 3 years ago
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Efren beat both O'Sullivan and White at snooker. He ran centuries on them.
lemonite1 3 years ago
Good comment. great video, cheers for upload.
cheltube37 3 years ago
Yeah chrisharvey, english pool is easy too. It's snooker that is the real game.
Hikzi 4 years ago
you're all so stupid, bigger pockets AND bigger balls therefore it's not the size of the pockets it's the size relative to the balls, the pockets are LOOSER not 'bigger' it doesnt make any difference, I play both and find english pool way easier than 9 ball where u have only 1 ball to shoot at
chrisharvey9 4 years ago
i totally agree with rooten the game is so easy its liek another video i watched earlia the ball came off the cushion a good 12 inches before the pocket and it still went! if your going to play a ball and cue game, snooker is the only one you should play
azzawolves 4 years ago
thats ridiculous, play what you enjoy.
ayetoday 4 years ago 2
First they water down our language, then our sports. America - England for retards.
RootenMcflooten 4 years ago 4
pool is a piece o piss for any snooker player
Spazymodo 4 years ago 2
it really is lol, the pockets are huge nd the table is smaller
domisdabest 4 years ago 3
any ametuer snooker player would be able to do that its on a pool table
trisharocks1993 4 years ago
after playing for 20+years on a snooker table, this is a piece of piss. Should be blindfolded too in my opinion.
dwfmagik 4 years ago
thats not exactly hard its a american pool table...
CharlesCurrent 4 years ago
different hunter
ashton612 4 years ago
omg ticklish that horrible.
warcratf 4 years ago
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RIP Hunter
TicklishSSBB 4 years ago
You got the wrong Hunter
JustinMatthew1 4 years ago 2
here here
elhef 4 years ago
more jimmy white pleeeaaase...
bernard02001 4 years ago