Once Upon A Time The Super Heroes (8 of 10)

[vash2k2000]

JIM LEE!!!!!!!!!!!! nice Maul Figure lol

[Ztrigg]

What an idiot. I'm with the younger fan base, but was still around for blue and yellow spandex...control freak.

[bozo47p]

alex ross......norman rockwell of comics

[Diego1999ist]

5:30 to 5:48 what brush is he using?

[Cartoonkid111]

@Diego1999ist Windsor & Newton Series 7 Sable Hair. Probably size two or one.

[Diego1999ist]

@Cartoonkid111 thx! :D

[Aedox1]

Joe Kuster looks like Charles Bukowski

[jp3813]

DC and Marvel should just form their own movie studios and produce the films themselves instead of just selling out to Hollywood.

[rhatcher010]

I can't say enough about Joe Kubert and Paul Dini and their comments about the nature of the business. Its sobering yet encouraging.

[moroihunter]

neila dams batman version is so damn good.

[Cartoonkid111]

8:30 Scott Williams=

Best inker of life!!!

[Tabish29]

@Cartoonkid111 He;s obviously a fan of Terry Austin from the mid 70's.

[spidy505]

how could you im a lady they always fall for that then get a kick in the balls and relised they should have kicked her butt lolol i love superhero!! XD

[martinf74]

Personally it depends on the producers and directors. For example, Christophers Nolan's version of Batman is superb at stays close to the dark version of Batman that started to be illustrated in the 70's.

[screamingdean5]

It's strange how Dave Gibbons said he knew what Superman or Batman would say or act. Then they show a scene from a Batman movie at 2:40(a movie which I didn't like) where Batman acted out of character.

[bilbob7624]

I agree with u here. the Tim Burton Batman movies were disappointing for me as well.

[Acrylicdrums]

I agree. Tim Burton's batman was a good stepping stone, but overhyped and now that I look back, really weak compared to the current franchise. The dorky henchman and the museum boom box make me gag. Batman returns and the rest steadily became the worst movies ever made. Joel Schumacher utterly decimated the franchise and brought batman back to his campy, badly written 60's TV style. "The bat bomb" etc.

[Nightman221k]

@Acrylicdrums I actually liked the Burton Batman movies. His weren't taking themselves too serious but still gave us a dark and atmospheric feel. I like the Nolan Batman movies but they seem to not get the fun aspect and I heard he said that Robin wouldn't appear in the movies he does because he is too light. Honestly, I'm not sure if he has a great grasp on the Batman mythos if he doesn't think the allies deserves a place.

[Tabish29]

@Nightman221k You're kidding right? ABout Nolan not having a grasp on the mythos? I think all his sidekicks and partners destroyed his credibility as a loner. Nolan wants him alone and badass and that's what Bruce was born to be. Looka t the current storylines in batman comics. Bruce is God knows where and Dick is Batman. This is way stupid shit.

[Nightman221k]

@Tabish29 I love the Nolan Batman movies but I think the fact that he shunned the idea of doing Robin makes me think he doesn't get that Robin and other partners help develop him as MORE than just a loner. He's still badass with his partners, just look at the animated series. But I dunno it might seem out of place in the movies anyway, but I think if he did Robin it would make Robin a more cool character.

But I agree that storyline is lame, Dick as Batman is a lame idea.

[rsmanimation]

why does he say "avenchers" ???? its "avengers" dude !

[bilbob7624]

because he's saying "adventures" not avengers.

[vuumbleman]

I think the villain who has been best reimagined was Mr. Freeze from Batman: The Animated Series. They turned him from a simple cold loving mad scientist into a tragic villain who was changed and deprived of his loving wife.

[primoboy360]

I think the villain who has was badly reimagined is Lex Luthor. I liked him in the cartoons much better than say in Superman Returns

[ratedtriplex]

they didn't reimagine him in superman returns. the movie was all about continuing what was started in the late 70s early 80s movies.

[Dancinwithfate]

i comopleatly agree with what joe kubert say 'NEW MATERIAL' meaning new stories, new plots, new characters, not the same old shit, if you pick up a comic book is the same story as the last, minor variations but its all the same, this guys should learn from european artist like Moebios or richar corben

[spikevalentine13]

It's spelled Moebius and Richard Corben, but, there i a lot of European crap too, pencilers I work with are into that. Not all american comics are supehero comics, and not al superhero comics are bad, I mean, put Alan Moore in Swamp Thing. Personally, I love Terry Moore's independent work like Strangers in Paradise, or Kurt Busiek's Astro City (it has superheroes in it, but it is not about superheroes), Tim Seeley's Hack/ Slash. I also love the X-Men. Europe has Moore, Gaiman, Gipi... all good.

[RandyMcNail]

8:26 Aaaand that's why movie producers need to show up only to a) open up their wallets and b) close their damn mouths. If you think a famous character is too silly to appear in his own movie, then you're missing the point (e.g. Catwoman, Elektra, Fantastic Four)

[benelgermosen]

Umhaving been to many comic convention and seen men and women in yellow spandex. I have to agree with Donner. It does look ridiculous when you see it on a real person.

[RandyMcNail]

Well, sure... if you're talking about a scrawny 100lbs. Superman or a huge 400lbs. Bobba Fett, that is. A well cast actor in a profesionally made suit is another thing altogether. Doesn't hurt if said actor can actually act.

Christopher Reeve pulled off Superman's outfit nicely. John Wesley Shipp looked OK in his Flash costume. Lou Ferrigno was a decent Hulk. Ron Pearlman IS Hellboy. Jim Carrey looks dead-on as The Mask (even without all that CGI stuff)

[Dancinwithfate]

but movies and comics are diferet medias, you cant compare a movie to a comic, a movie is BASED on something like a comic book, t cant be a xerox copy of the comic because it just doent work, because its not the same media

[RandyMcNail]

That's the argument movie producers use to justify their love for desecrating comic book characters. What they really do is dumbing down/ washing down/shoehorning a character to better appeal to the lowest possible common denominator. You think I'm exaggerating? Check out turkeys like Ghost Rider, Elektra, Aeon Flux, etc.

[FlamingoKicker]

Don't forget how they plucked up Howard the Duck

[Nertrender]

But, I think that one of the most demening things that can be done to comics is to equate them to glorified story boards. More than just great line work, comics are based on other unique artistic decissions (sp?) such as panel shape/size and time lapse petween panels. also, comics are not limited by casts, budgets or effects tech. The real danger lies in people hearing that the film is identical to a comic and thus the comic is not worth reading.

[RandyMcNail]

That's actually a valid point. However, you can always tell when a change is made for artistic/practical reasons or for simple marketing strategies. And you don't even need to be a comics buff to notice those annoying lame changes; a good comic makes sense, and therefore any superfluous element (or the lack of an important piece of the story) are immediately noticable

[Nertrender]

I gues i am more willing to see a character based film than a story based show. If you have a long established, and oft reinterpited, character like batman you can keep the elements to their core and then tell another adventure. but a movie based on a graphic novel will either be inaccurate or repetitive.

[Kajsrj]

The artist is Alex Ross.

[firekind1980]

all through this doc we have seen art like the superman pic at the start of this part. i have seen this artists work before but does anyone know the guys name?

[CMcG818]

im pretty sure its Alex Ross

[6XoX9]

you guyz, im SO HAPPY how batman is progressing. Compare the earlier comic buk him to the latest one, he looks so much more "wow!" and so much less "wtf?"

and even just look at the movies. in batman, batman returns and batman forever he looks silly and weird.

but look at the dark knight and its amazing and real and he's really scary not like "hi! im batman" but like "wh..who are you?! IM BATMAN!:O"

Im proud to be a batman fan now.

[GFDZX5]

well,are u moron?

[fherlinn]

I still have 3 more comics left to read of the first Batman issues. I will try to find them.

[fherlinn]

I am speaking of the Detective comics issues #27-37 when I speak of th first 8 Batman comics. Even Robin's introduction in comic #38 is violent. He allows someone to be murdered just so he can photograph it and frame the murderer.

[fherlinn]

I have read the first 8 Batman comics...and yes they are silly for today's more sophisticated reader but also more violent in comparison to the 50's and 60's comics. Batman shoots and kills a couple of guys, he kills a guy by throwing him off a ledge and even impails a man.

[zbruew]

я буквально сражен на повал умением этих людей рисвать что либо на бумаге .незнаю как много времени они уделяют этому занятию но по всему видно что дело это они любят . остается только за это данных людей и уважать .спасибо.

[TheAvengers97]

My name is Kyle and i'm ten years oid. I love the old comics way better. Especially the ones by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.

[MrSketchtastic]

@TheAvengers97 yeah sure your ten typing like that..correct capitalization

[MOOPsQuad]

@TheAvengers97 fuck u goof ill kill u and yer parents!!! >:O

[Antwon627]

@TheAvengers97

Hi Kyle. If you love those guys, then you should check out the works of Gil Kane Joe Kubert and Frank Frazetta. I am 45 and I grew up in the 70's and 80's. These guys and Kirby were my favorites. Keep on reading.

[Tflash13]

Batman has sure gotten darker over the years...

[qqrk1372]

Batman STARTED dark then got softened up for the kiddies. Check out some of the early issues from the 1940's. (Before Robin.)

[Joeguy1092]

yeah didn't he use a gun at first then thanks to the comics code banned drugs,ultra violence,sexual themes and etc.

[qqrk1372]

He was only really hardcore for a year or so. Then they brought in Robin to soften things up. During WW2 he was patriotically nice and after the comics code of the 50's he got silly. The campy tv show didn't help and it took Denny O'Neill and Neal Adams to darken him up again in the 70's.

Of course Frank Miller really did a job on him with The Dark Knight Returns in the mid 80's.

[spikevalentine13]

Movie producers shouldn't be allowed near comics.

[Destructopodx]

True...

They totally miss the point a lot of the time, or over simplify the ideas or themes that are present...

There are just some ideas that can only be done justice in the world of comic books...

[Antichrist2000]

@spikevalentine13 Niether should Tim Burton

[Mitsuraga]

@spikevalentine13

Quite the opposite, in fact. They need to actually read the damn things, so they can get it right, if they're going to try at all, which we all know they have and will continue to do so.

[Donomark]

Basic ball-point pen

[cr0ssface]

Do you know what is the name of the tool that dave gibbons is drawing at 1:53