yes...he does NOT know how to drive.. he would have been better spinning out in the original direction he was going... oh well. you live and you learn.
why wouls that dumbass whip it left.. he had it under control until he tried to turn the other way.. he coulda came thru with that turn.. learn how to drive dumbass
Thats whats up. The other nsx drivers seen a fellow nsx has crshed and they imidietly park on the side of the track and try to help him out. They didnt care and the race anymore. Thats why the Japanese are cool people (except with the gay anime and crap like that).
thats whats up. The other racers where like fuck the race let me help out a fellow racer in his nsx. They literally parked on the side of the track to help this guy out. Thats what you call true people. I dont give a fuck what ppl say "Japan its whats up"
That bend needs changing. This kind of crash happens all the time there. Should be more run off or something (granted that would be difficult because of where the paddock is).
rather he bury it and spin out on the track and look a bad driver, than snap it over, and wreck a great car :/, and how the fuck he managed to roll it is anyones guess lol
dumbass, there goes your $30-50k. he shoulda been slowly turning the wheel left til it got straightened out. WAY over-corrected, shouldnt be on a track if you wont know how to drive. im sure its just some rich fag, he'll go but another one.
yup. i learned the hard way not to let off the throttle as the same happened to me in a high speed left that crested a small incline as it apexed. off i went into the curb at 80 mph, it was a public steet although empty. 5000 in suspension damage.
just like the others are saying -- classic case of an easy-to-grasp concept. Poor guy, but he really should have known better before going out on the track, or at least played some gran turismo :P
Classic power off snap oversteer. He came in a bit hot which led to oversteer. He corrected the oversteer (well) and actually had the car in a nice drift, but paniced and took the power off. Now all of the weight is transferred to the front of the car and the rear goes light. So now the little bit of countersteer holding the drift becomes too much and the car snap oversteers to the left. This will happen in any car, but can be more violent on mid rear engine cars, al la Porsche 911.
No not a Pro LOL :-) I drive Speed Hillclimb and do some track days in my Impreza Type RA. I have posted a video on this page showing oversteer correction with power held at around 87MPH on a speed Hillclimb run. I hope that it helps explain to others that snapping the throttle shut is the worst thing to do when you sense oversteer. But it is one of the hardest things to learn.
I have not driven the S2000, I used to sprint an MR2 and that could get twitchy when on the limit ;-) it's the old Porsche 911 mid engine thing, take off the power and it kills you. Some say just let go of the wheel and the 911 will right itself for you.
Well.. in this case the guy just over-corrected it twice and ended snapping against the wall..
Perhaps next time you notice that you over corrected it take you right foot from that shiny meal thing called throttle.. that could work..
I dont really think its the car's fault, if you try to get out of a corner like that you should be able to balance the car and correct it smoothly.. otherwise you'll end up having a crash..
"Perhaps next time you notice that you over corrected it take you right foot from that shiny meal thing called throttle.. that could work.."
I am pretty sure that this is EXACTLY what he did and what induced the snap oversteer. Getting off the throttle in that situation is the worst thing you can do.
If you take the gas off when the car is oversteering, its ok, if you do it when the car is starting to snap the other way, like he did, you'll have serious snap oversteer!
So basically we're saying the same thing, i just explained myself wrong.
so in the moment when he entered the corner drifting very fast and with oversteer the driver should've have kept accelerating to enter straight or what ? what I should've done is in the moment of oversteering clutch in pull de E brake while movin the steering wheel in the same position he entered and then opposite as then release the ebreak as result he would do 360° turn but in those moments of panic no one knows how to correct in a blink of an eye
@OurgateProductions Except that the 911 is rear-engine =) but yeah good description of power off, I drive an MR2 and have had a sketchy moment or 2....not fun.
@Nicknamenowused "Braking Hard as you can" Well normally that wont help, but when you know that your beat then braking is the best damage limitation action.
It's the hardest thing to learn, DONT LIFT OFF THE POWER, but when you learn it and you have oversteer situation you handle the problem more calmley. The NSX was in a drift pointing towards a huge grass area, the other option is 10 feet of wet grass and hard stuff. I know which way I would like my car to go ;-) but that's easy Said !
AND that ladies and gentalmen is why you do not get a mid engine car if you have no driving talent whatso-ever! You just saw the classic pendulum effect that you get with mid-engined cars if you don't know what you are doing. Looks like they learned the hard way!
Ya dam0cles1 It's people who don't understand what i'm talking about that give street racing, and road racing a bad name.
If you don't know how to "Race" than dont drive like a "Race car driver" There is an actual science to racing, But it's ok Give me thumbs down im the one out there really racing, and your sitting your watching videos, posting no personal video responses, LOL at you, go crash your Gran AM
Well kinda bad driving.With so big pressure on the rear left wheel reverse(left) steering should be done MUCH more slow and smooth.Double wishbones give perfect controll on the powerslide but the steering wheel should be straight in a lower motion.Also there is a thing called "slow in fast out".Anyway he didnt hurt so its ok.
did you think the car will fly 70 meters in the air you litle cokc
xfghszdrth 1 month ago
What is the point of owning a camera you can't use ?
binguhj 2 months ago
Outstanding cameraman skills
RideBmxFitBikCo 3 months ago
Has no driving skills
Wolfsburg61 3 months ago
he can't drive, you can't film, don't slag him off....
DrWatson08 4 months ago
novice driver, eh?
dsubversion 4 months ago
Jackass to driver
stormstd 4 months ago
in the film he said 1st lap..so i guess the tires haven't heat up properly yet.
ma78602 4 months ago
trail braking + throttle lift = wreck.
MrRwab 5 months ago
what a wanker! (camera man)
fleissman 6 months ago
GO SPEED RACER GO!
eeezymoney 6 months ago
What do you see in the sky???? UFO???
VsIFresh 6 months ago
vtec kicked in
whatchain 7 months ago
bad driving
even worse filming. in fact you both over corrected
did you actually think when the honda hit the wall it was going to fly 50ft in the air?
1985jimmyb 7 months ago
did ya see a bird, plane, maybe superman? or did u just want to look at a pretty cloud when theres a honda crashing below you...
Chevrev100 7 months ago
Anybody else see it close its eyes at the end of the roll? Haha.
DvvdJD 8 months ago
@DvvdJD it was like: AWWWWW
RIP
GottfriedvonCramm 8 months ago
Truly amazing camera work
15051599 8 months ago 31
dude im 17 and i couldve corrected that corner better then this guy.
InsanityRewritten 9 months ago
@InsanityRewritten
agree, proof that money doesn't mean that you're a good driver
NeckPeck 8 months ago
@InsanityRewritten he pumped the gas... what a NOOB. Lol
punkthrasher13 8 months ago
fucking english man cant even hold the cam correct
Fuchs1337 9 months ago
Man, that snap back is always kicking my ass in gt5!!
bliglum 9 months ago
shoulda stayed on the gas
cfb36 9 months ago
@cfb36 thats what i was thinking
fdation 9 months ago
Why don't we stop about the driving, and concentrate on the downs syndrome camera skills.
Sort it out.
nikonslikeminerule 9 months ago
real bad driver, car already made the turn.
syalcin123 9 months ago
yes...he does NOT know how to drive.. he would have been better spinning out in the original direction he was going... oh well. you live and you learn.
TheMopar97 9 months ago
why wouls that dumbass whip it left.. he had it under control until he tried to turn the other way.. he coulda came thru with that turn.. learn how to drive dumbass
Kingbc605 10 months ago
Anyone notice the guy screaming at the dude in the R32 sayin "slow down" haha.
gtett 10 months ago
Thats whats up. The other nsx drivers seen a fellow nsx has crshed and they imidietly park on the side of the track and try to help him out. They didnt care and the race anymore. Thats why the Japanese are cool people (except with the gay anime and crap like that).
diablo93ib 10 months ago
@diablo93ib lol JapFest is an event held in the UK not Japan.
AFR1i 9 months ago
@AFR1i lol, he thought Castle Combe was in Japan lol, after all it really sounds Japanese :-)
MagicAyrtonforever 7 months ago
@diablo93ib they also don't care about the race because it was canceled the man with the red flag?
joshcroucher 9 months ago
thats whats up. The other racers where like fuck the race let me help out a fellow racer in his nsx. They literally parked on the side of the track to help this guy out. Thats what you call true people. I dont give a fuck what ppl say "Japan its whats up"
diablo93ib 10 months ago
Damnnn! Hope the driver is safe though. The NSX can be fixed.
TheClubshaker 10 months ago
that almost turned out to be a nice drift
prosurfer2222 10 months ago
you know if he kept that, that would of been right on the limit and it would've actually been pretty pro! guess not
ylreddagnof 10 months ago
That was one hell of a bad driver.
RymdSegel 11 months ago
"Oohohooo NICE!!" ...........Really?
christian13person 11 months ago 2
thats alot of fuckin NSX's
japtc 11 months ago
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that my friend is called a tank slapper
aaronturbo 11 months ago
that mind friend is called a tank slapper
aaronturbo 11 months ago
sad camera man you missed the impact D:
uNf0rGiViNg 11 months ago
You might wanna say, VTEC just kicked in yooooooooooooo.
TheQlimaxx 11 months ago 2
aww poor nsx its a beautiful car
DarkGeminiErick 11 months ago
should have blipped the throttle.
SiHonda08 11 months ago
is fine thatll buff right out
UKRAINERULES253 11 months ago
Ha the joys of lift off oversteer. Top work driver.
petrol4d 1 year ago
OMG Thats so sad to do to a JDM car :(
SuperJDMFan 1 year ago
Thanks for filming the sky at just the right moment...
DrGilroyJackson 1 year ago 58
yah. hold the fukin camera still
nortsho96791 1 year ago
FUCKING IDIOT CAMERAMAN!! Learn how to shoot video dumbass!!
surf403 1 year ago
Thats not a safe corner to begin with.
Besides that the nsx is known to have a bite when you least aspect (Especialy the 92-95 models)
Seen the same thing happen with a friends nsx. (luckely not to much damage)
The 2005 type-r models are way better.
OurgateProductions explaind it verry well [tumbs]
kirbstone111 1 year ago
That bend needs changing. This kind of crash happens all the time there. Should be more run off or something (granted that would be difficult because of where the paddock is).
siraff2 1 year ago
juz get a AWD next time~ with lots of airbag~ have fun but safe~
zkyfengix 1 year ago
@zkyfengix
What a lame bit of advise!! Get AWD my a**e
crees22 1 year ago
damn walls
makavelishaman 1 year ago
rather he bury it and spin out on the track and look a bad driver, than snap it over, and wreck a great car :/, and how the fuck he managed to roll it is anyones guess lol
nathanpisces 1 year ago
haha... Looks like ill be playing more Forza since I woke up this wonderful christmas morning and found my PS3 broke overnight somehow...
I guess Santa had a late night session and rage smashed it. :(
Ironicly I bought my PS3, because my Xbox360 had died. Funny how the world works aint it?
v6turbota 1 year ago
wow drive like that when you don`t know how to drive?
jeepers2655 1 year ago
I bet if he played Forza alot he would have made it =)
v6turbota 1 year ago
@v6turbota fuck forza. gt5 ftw
marlo916 1 year ago
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
dicktp 1 year ago
what i cant believe is that the show is called "japfest"
thats amazing that people still use that word, even more so that its the title of a big event
do they have resturants in the uk called gookfest or chinkfest too?
tureno1996 1 year ago
OUCH! I cant watch this anymore.. I love that car.. lol
TruthhturT 1 year ago
ooh... come on every 1 could saw that coming noob driver XD
timdeowner 1 year ago
@timdeowner
You're calling some a noob driver when you refer to blue lug nuts as
"bleu screws in the weels fix everything XD"
You're a fucking idiot.
DirteeRice 1 year ago
AHH NICE!!
MegaHolymoly 1 year ago
@Katlunazul I think he was caught up in the horror.
prodriver1 1 year ago
I hope he's packing racing insurance.
thebadgersgotaknife 1 year ago
he should have played some grand turismo to get that turning down
fatqwert200 1 year ago
@fatqwert200 lmao!
eludethis 1 year ago
Well that fucking sucks!!! I hear thanks to the aluminum body, Nsx's cant really be mended either.. pity.
bliglum 1 year ago
@bliglum
I'm not 100% sure, I'm not a Honda expert but I think it's because some parts of the car are titanium.
That's why they can't mend it, because titanium is to hard to work with. It has to be pressed into shape under high pressure and temperature.
The engine is an aluminium composition.
I'm sure some other parts are just aluminium too.
A friend of mine drove his NSX into a wall once, at a descent speed.
And the car didn't have a scratch. ;)
AnubisEvalyna 1 year ago
@bliglum
They will replace the titanium parts, not mend it.
So the car will be fine again.
AnubisEvalyna 1 year ago
fuck you camera man. nice what you nice? idiot off 2007
mantasram 1 year ago
its like each car took a knee for its injured teamate
StreetSurfinn 1 year ago
Two dipshits in this video, the driver and the person operating the camera.
SolusRest 1 year ago
how come most of dem racin crashes i seen on youtube looks JUST like that...
kayu38 1 year ago
NSX, NSX,NSX, NSX, NSX, SKYLINE, NSX, NSX, NSX.
sevenththorn 1 year ago
Given the nsx abilities, i'm surprised he made it that far
Barnakos 1 year ago
@Katlunazul second that lol
greencup45 1 year ago
this happen every time to me in GT4 and GT5P when I play with the pad lol
TURST67 1 year ago
awww you stupid son of a bitch you broke my car
bgondron 1 year ago
thats like killing a unicorn... with a bomb
ChittayBayng 1 year ago
y cant people ever hold a camera straight? its not hard.
240hwyking 1 year ago
owwwww, thats sucks MAJOR balls, i feel sorry for that guy
nofrillstissues 1 year ago
@nofrillstissues i feel sorry for the nsx... lol
kohensanzo 1 year ago
'' Yea i think that is the guy who was following me in''
''How do you know''
''He was drivin a NSX''
maddi2k9 1 year ago
@maddi2k9 It was silver like that one too... and that one...and that one...
AVarmaSpare 1 year ago
I hate you!!! I hate you I hate you!!!
JZ07 1 year ago
NOT A NSX.... COMMON never smash a Honda or any jap car!!!!!!!
quickmantan 1 year ago
pfft that car is fixable ive seen cars in worse shape hit the road once again.
nismohead100 1 year ago
MR strikes again, sucks
levirolla 1 year ago
I saw this happen in front of me! Can't believe it was 3 years ago!
ScoobyDoo69er 1 year ago
whoa...this was a total lack of correction skill which is why he gripped really well in the opposite direction. Right into the dirt and wall
djayangel 1 year ago
dumbass, there goes your $30-50k. he shoulda been slowly turning the wheel left til it got straightened out. WAY over-corrected, shouldnt be on a track if you wont know how to drive. im sure its just some rich fag, he'll go but another one.
MillerDecaXC 1 year ago
Safety car drivers are twats. fucking retarded shit bastards. drivers wannabe. many times i have seen problems with safety cars drivers even in live.
sabugassabhu 1 year ago
you should rename the video: video footage of the sky and grassy knoll
Miike92 1 year ago 2
sweet video of the sky dude
38boost 1 year ago 2
now thats a death whip! lol
wickedshows 1 year ago
more GASSSSS!! I say that everytime i watch this. yeah camera mans a DB
professorquack 1 year ago
Oversteer into the corner which he fixed but letting the gas off into another oversteer.
bah, could have been avoided if he stayed on the gas.
HCNguyen86 1 year ago
@Katlunazul I agree !!!
ferraricvn 1 year ago
why is it that people can't keep the fuckin camera still at that crucial moment?
pallymeat 1 year ago
@pallymeat it pisses me off too! >:(
bonesdog101 1 year ago
reminds me of eve online, dont drive what you cant afford to lose.
mastergsan 1 year ago
...very sad.
SCHIZOPHRENlC 1 year ago
wow as if you missed it. you were focused on the car the entire time up until right when it crashed.
evanlovestdwp 1 year ago
Pure panic!! The great late CM had the best quote for when something like this happends "when in dought, pin it!
Pour guy, hope he is ok!
DrrZippy 1 year ago
that suck to be him. poor nsx. should of just kept on letting it slid the direction it was going.
yhen123 2 years ago
sweeet ass skyline!
camera man you suck. right when hes spinning out you put the camera up
kamilpolniak 2 years ago
I hope that he came through it alright.
masterchief377 2 years ago
yup. i learned the hard way not to let off the throttle as the same happened to me in a high speed left that crested a small incline as it apexed. off i went into the curb at 80 mph, it was a public steet although empty. 5000 in suspension damage.
bbking790 2 years ago
Too bad not many can follow this quote :(
Jamzil 2 years ago
just like the others are saying -- classic case of an easy-to-grasp concept. Poor guy, but he really should have known better before going out on the track, or at least played some gran turismo :P
wiltingplant 2 years ago
Mid-Field race track or Trail Mountain FTW!
stylin60es 2 years ago
man if i made a nsx flip over ... waste of 80k but its a nice carr.. shoulda hit the handbrake right before the oversteer. woulda stopped the car =P
V10Killer2JayZee 2 years ago
Classic power off snap oversteer. He came in a bit hot which led to oversteer. He corrected the oversteer (well) and actually had the car in a nice drift, but paniced and took the power off. Now all of the weight is transferred to the front of the car and the rear goes light. So now the little bit of countersteer holding the drift becomes too much and the car snap oversteers to the left. This will happen in any car, but can be more violent on mid rear engine cars, al la Porsche 911.
OurgateProductions 2 years ago 55
EXACTLY.perfect explanation. you must be a pro.
xXturbo86Xx 2 years ago
No not a Pro LOL :-) I drive Speed Hillclimb and do some track days in my Impreza Type RA. I have posted a video on this page showing oversteer correction with power held at around 87MPH on a speed Hillclimb run. I hope that it helps explain to others that snapping the throttle shut is the worst thing to do when you sense oversteer. But it is one of the hardest things to learn.
OurgateProductions 2 years ago
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OurgateProductions 2 years ago
You Tube wont allow me to post the video here.
If you would like to see the video, then Click on my profile and view the video labelled:
Impreza Type RA running at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb.
The oversteer occurs 54 seconds into the video, but I corrected it very quickly as there is no room for error on Speed Hillclimb tracks.
OurgateProductions 2 years ago
Awesome explanation man!
hunterhalo2 2 years ago
@OurgateProductions
it happens to s2000s alot and the snap oversteer in the s2000 is very quick and violent.
esean931 2 years ago
@esean931
I have not driven the S2000, I used to sprint an MR2 and that could get twitchy when on the limit ;-) it's the old Porsche 911 mid engine thing, take off the power and it kills you. Some say just let go of the wheel and the 911 will right itself for you.
OurgateProductions 2 years ago
@OurgateProductions
Mid-engined cars are alot of fun though so i think its worth the extra effort.
911 probably does straighten out itself but i wouldnt try it unless i have enough room lol.
esean931 2 years ago
@esean931
Yep :-)
Lol.
OurgateProductions 2 years ago
"it's the old Porsche 911 mid engine thing"
Porsche 911 have rear engines
ChrisZang 2 years ago 15
Well that will make the effect even worse then wont it ;-)
You need to get out more Chris !
OurgateProductions 2 years ago
Well.. in this case the guy just over-corrected it twice and ended snapping against the wall..
Perhaps next time you notice that you over corrected it take you right foot from that shiny meal thing called throttle.. that could work..
I dont really think its the car's fault, if you try to get out of a corner like that you should be able to balance the car and correct it smoothly.. otherwise you'll end up having a crash..
Its a shame that nsx..
mykehock 2 years ago 2
"Perhaps next time you notice that you over corrected it take you right foot from that shiny meal thing called throttle.. that could work.."
I am pretty sure that this is EXACTLY what he did and what induced the snap oversteer. Getting off the throttle in that situation is the worst thing you can do.
ChrisZang 2 years ago 25
Yes Chris,
You are 110% correct.
OurgateProductions 2 years ago
Well, that depends..
If you take the gas off when the car is oversteering, its ok, if you do it when the car is starting to snap the other way, like he did, you'll have serious snap oversteer!
So basically we're saying the same thing, i just explained myself wrong.
Still.. its a shame that nsx :(
mykehock 2 years ago
so umean when he oversteer and corrected he should have continue pushing the throttle to still move forward instead of just letting it snap sideways?
supertrex2 2 years ago
@ChrisZang indeed. when in doubt, throttle it out.
dsmdeegen 11 months ago
so in the moment when he entered the corner drifting very fast and with oversteer the driver should've have kept accelerating to enter straight or what ? what I should've done is in the moment of oversteering clutch in pull de E brake while movin the steering wheel in the same position he entered and then opposite as then release the ebreak as result he would do 360° turn but in those moments of panic no one knows how to correct in a blink of an eye
curancho 2 years ago
or just keeping the same speed accelerating?
curancho 2 years ago
@OurgateProductions Except that the 911 is rear-engine =) but yeah good description of power off, I drive an MR2 and have had a sketchy moment or 2....not fun.
bingslayer85 1 year ago
@OurgateProductions Thanks. Nice explanation without lots of jargon. Well done.
TojoPanther 1 year ago
@OurgateProductions better brake as much as you can when you notice. but natural reaction is trying to take control and countersteer. :S
Nicknamenowused 1 year ago
@Nicknamenowused "Braking Hard as you can" Well normally that wont help, but when you know that your beat then braking is the best damage limitation action.
It's the hardest thing to learn, DONT LIFT OFF THE POWER, but when you learn it and you have oversteer situation you handle the problem more calmley. The NSX was in a drift pointing towards a huge grass area, the other option is 10 feet of wet grass and hard stuff. I know which way I would like my car to go ;-) but that's easy Said !
OurgateProductions 1 year ago
@OurgateProductions Or lift off the power slowly. This happends a lot when people go to the track for the first time in their lives..
dontjepko 1 year ago
@dontjepko Agreed ;-)
OurgateProductions 1 year ago
@Nicknamenowused brake as much as you can? Yeah if you want to spin out as much as you can.
Nitrousx 1 year ago
@OurgateProductions I didnt even notice till you said somthing,Your absolutly right.
bloodieduckies 1 year ago
AND that ladies and gentalmen is why you do not get a mid engine car if you have no driving talent whatso-ever! You just saw the classic pendulum effect that you get with mid-engined cars if you don't know what you are doing. Looks like they learned the hard way!
ecstasyoffumbling 2 years ago
you should let it spin out !! :(
theeroom 2 years ago
haha
TdUfAn1 2 years ago
LOL
chunderbum 2 years ago
that made me sad
itchysp 2 years ago 2
Funny i imply the same thing as vi0007, but you idiots needed it dumbed down lol
NemansMQ 2 years ago
Ya dam0cles1 It's people who don't understand what i'm talking about that give street racing, and road racing a bad name.
If you don't know how to "Race" than dont drive like a "Race car driver" There is an actual science to racing, But it's ok Give me thumbs down im the one out there really racing, and your sitting your watching videos, posting no personal video responses, LOL at you, go crash your Gran AM
NemansMQ 2 years ago
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
paintballstarbucks 2 years ago
</3
ytSouljah 2 years ago
i wanna cry =_(.. Poor NSX... makes me not want to abuse my C30A...
Hexaggram 2 years ago
:(((( its happens to the best cars too
SASHOoBG 2 years ago
if he down shift... he could've gotten better grip...
vi0007 2 years ago
That was agonizing to watch.
ShenmueAtheist 2 years ago
when the camera was on the car...
still, heartbreaking :(
cs512tr 2 years ago
Damn!!
that sucks!
i would sill tow it home and rebuild it
Stupidkid102 2 years ago
Damn :( feel sorry for both this epic car and the driver.
cliolord 2 years ago
Szkoda ładne NSX było. Ale i tak sie mocno nie rozpieprzyło;)
mati3451wola 2 years ago
Well kinda bad driving.With so big pressure on the rear left wheel reverse(left) steering should be done MUCH more slow and smooth.Double wishbones give perfect controll on the powerslide but the steering wheel should be straight in a lower motion.Also there is a thing called "slow in fast out".Anyway he didnt hurt so its ok.
abec666 2 years ago
LOL~
carzakone333 2 years ago
I died a little inside
ownage2214 2 years ago
looks like he countered turned too much its very difficult to go outta control in an NSX
OmarA27 2 years ago
poor nsx!!
wcwashington 2 years ago
o.0
Drewsdays 2 years ago
Time for the pace-car?
smutreb 2 years ago
Another noob off the track.
gibbletz 2 years ago
Only one Skyline in there, WTF, its ok, understandable, sorry about the car dude, just don't push so much out of the corner
taidokazu 2 years ago
tank slapper
JeefCakes 2 years ago
he think's his in the game GT-5 in PS3~~~
nicoshuffle 2 years ago 2