If our healthcare system is so terrible, why would Tommy Douglas, the man who brought us this system, be voted "The Greatest Canadian, even beating national heroes like Terry Fox,Frederick Banting and others.
@CIVDC BEcause dispite its problems it is better then the american alternative for the vast majority of the population. You dont see Canadians losing their homes or going hungry because they need to pay for their medical bills, unlike in the US. There is no perfect system, but there is no better system then Universal Healthcare as of yet.
@Orionx30 of course it does thats why in my country everyone who can contribute does contribute, every worker pays 1.5% of their income into the system, there are some possible exceptions those being lower income earners but normally they'll just pay a lower percentage of their pay, its not that difficult.
i just moved to one of the largest cities in Canada. my dad just got his public health insurance activated and decided to go out one day and get examined. he waited less than twenty minutes to see a doctor of his choice.
I read in the New York Times that Taiwan has a really good healthcare system. Hopefully the mainstream media will look into that as well. There are a lot of models that we can look at, so I don't understand why the US media only look at the Canadian system. The UK has a bigger population (62,262,000) than Canada (34,519,000), so it might be a good idea to look at how Britons design their healthcare system, too.
@aaasssfffdddiii WOuld looooove to see the unbiased report your horseshit stats.
In the meantime:
"Dr. Angela Gardner, president of the American College of Emergency Physicians, who assessed the Press Ganey's Pulse Report 2010, says the report reveals the average length of stay in a U.S. emergency department increased to 4 hours, 7 minutes."
@MadHabber93 Angela Gardner, with all due respect, is full of sh*t. The stats I gave were all from the Commonwealth Fund, which actually leans a bit to the left (but claims to be unbiased). They all came from the November 2010 report (except for the last stat which came from 2007).
I repeat, Angela Gardner is full of sh*t. The same Commonwealth Fund Study found that only 13% of Americans wait 4 or more hours in the ER, as compared to 31% of Canadians...
@aaasssfffdddiii Of course you don't believe outside sources that are not U.S. based biased bullshit.
I can provide a STUDY, unbiased, showing that most patients in Ontario were seen in less than 2 hours. True level I emergencies in less than 6 minutes. Keep drinking the Koolaide.
I've never waited more than 2 hours in any Canadian ER when I've gone. Unlike the 15 HOURS I waited in Dallas.
@MadHabber93 Well, it is a fact that 31% of Canadians waited 4 or more hours in the ER in 2010. It is also a fact that only 13% of Americans waited that long. It is also true that 34% of Americans wait less than 30 minutes in the ER, while only 20% of Canadians get ER care that fast...
I don't know about your personal study. But, on average, Americans wait far less than Canadians in the ER (and for all types of Care)...
@aaasssfffdddiii I think maybe overall, you might wait a bit longer in Canada, but remember we include everyone in that line. However, I curious to know where you get your stats from. According to a 2007 study of ER wait times in Ontario, & I'll quote:
"at least half of the patientswait 1.2 hours or more to be seen by a physician; 10% of patients are seen within 0.3 hours (10th percentile); and the same proportion of patients wait 3.6 hours or more.
@MadHabber93 All my stats came from a 2010 report from the Commonwealth Fund. I don't know what study you are referencing, but I am sure it is somewhat reputable. But, as far as I know, Ontario has lower wait times than other areas in Canada. The Commonwealth Fund is for all of Canada, and it is a very reputable organization as far as numbers go...
@aaasssfffdddiii one word: Triage. I will happily wait an extra hour or so if someone with a more serious need is seen first. I don't want someone to die because I paid more to have my scraped knee bandaged first.
@aaasssfffdddiii I'm well aware of how my healthcare works thanks.... But do you realize that you actually pay more taxes than I do? And please tell me, where you get your misinformation: crappy out of date technology? You do know that Ottawa has one of the best cancer facilities in all of North America, don't you? Stop watching Fox News and start learning a little.
@000snow000 First, the streak continues. You have successfully continued the trend of liberals I have talked to randomly bringing up Fox News. Congrats, your obsession with Fox News is quite interestaing...
And, you do know that virtually ALL medical innovation comes from America... O, and taxes are higher in Canada than they are in America, just a pesky facy
@aaasssfffdddiii 1) Well when Fox is where you get your news.... the ignorance isn't surprising. Maybe non-Americans always bring it up because it's shockingly ridiculous and explains a lot.
2) A lot of innovation comes from America, and the rest of the world uses it just as much...
3) look it up. We pay less tax. (I pay none actually, until I hit the 10,000$/year point, then I'll pay 15%.)
You already got your ass reemed on your knowledge of taxation in Canada.Since we are talking about health care theUS spends 18% of it's GDP on healthcare Canada spends 10% Health care Got It? And eveyone is 100% covered from birth to death with No restrictions from sevices.No out of pocket costsZero We are healthier ,live longer and are far better served by single payer.Over one Million Americans seak coverage outside you country every year because of cost
@aaasssfffdddiii He made me pee in a cup then gave me a prescription for flowmax.I was in and out and 5 minutes.I got my bill in the mail.2,500 bucks for 5 minutes? oh i forgot 500 for the ambulance ride cause i couldnt walk due to a kindey stone.
@tindallpe Bullshit, if you needed an ambulance for 5 minutes worth of care then you deserve to be billed that much, because you weren't seriously ill enough to use that service. If you really were in that much pain they would of done a CT scan, urinalysis, cbc, bmp. They would of given morphine and zofran along with the iv placement and the saline they would of given to hydrate you. That all costs money. Not to mention the techs, nurses and doctors who participated in your care. idiot.
@Orionx30 Yes It all costs money and lots of it. That is precisely why you need co-ops or universality to pay for it; not the individual and not private insurance . What does private insurance actually provide in medicine? A corporate insurance system must make a profit outside and separate of the field of medical delivery no matter what because that is the essence of" The Corporation" and there is no place for it in the delivery of medicine. It provides nothing.
@Orionx30 Efficiency in denying coverages,capping payouts and refusing applications.Our people are covered yours are not and you didn't address the point about bankruptcy so believe whatever you like and don't get into a discussion about what we contribute you backward fuckin hilbilly it's certainly better than what you assholes destruct
@aaasssfffdddiii • Here’s another one from your precious system from an American What the hell is this?May be you should look around you instesd of professing to be so well read
••So sick of everyone bitching about healthcare/No one is to blame but doctors and hospitals.Everyone could afford it even it didnt cost so much.I went to the hospital and seen a doctor for 5 minutes
@aaasssfffdddiii He got his bill for $2500 bucks plus $500.00 for the ambulance .Would you please stop the propaganda .Your system is HELL ..........PERIOD. We have better survival rates for many things.Childhood Lukimia, Kidney transplants, Liver transplants.Our systems are modern with new hospital constrution everywhere. Your whole approach is nothing but propaganda.I'm leaving now It's your system up for debate .Keep ours out it if you don't know what you are talking about
@aaiii All I see from you is.The Us has innovation because private Insurance runs healthcare by billing the public, and by removing that entity innovation will die because incentive will be taken out. WRONG OK? WRONG.Patents will still be registered. Billions can still be made. Innovation will still be rewarded and you could still have private clinics. But to deny to so many for what ?The fact is you don't give a shit that 30 or 40 thousand people die every because you won't let them see a DR.
@Orix30 30 or 40 thousand die not because they don't sign up it's because they are rejected or capped or don'tqualify. And don't post me after a month with your bullshit. I don't even know what comments you're reffering to and I could care less.I live in Canada.I will agree this system is not perfect but guess what, every experience I or my familly has had has been handled extremely well. Perhaps that's above average but we have excellent coverage.It's your system that needs the overhall.Jackass
@tindallpe Its seems to me presumption is the mother of all fuck-ups and you sir, are presuming. I know for a fact because I sign people up for Access or Medicare everyday in the Emergency department. We turn no one down.Our system is the best in the world if you have insurance. If you don't have insurance you sign up for government aid. If you make too much money and the Government rejects you it seems to me its not private its the Government who is rejecting and killing people.
@Orionx30 And you would know first hand by the way your government presumes its way around the world eg. Iraq, Somalia etc.Again you are presuming your system is the best in the world. Therefore I concur with you analogy about fuckups.People from all over the world become medical tourists and your country has the greatest number. Shall we pressume they don't think your system is all that great. Over 50% of your bankrupcies in the US are a result of not being able to pay for healthcare
@tindallpe I'm not presuming shit about our system. I am stating a fact about our level of care and administration of care and our innovation of care. Let me know the next time you fuck ups contribute more than hockey, pountine and maple syrup to the rest of the world.
@Orionx30 Next time you go to a basketball or a baseball game, know it was a Canadian that invented that for Ya. Football is rugby. All of your sports were invented by the Britts or Canadians.Am radio, cable tv, washing machine, automotive air conditioner, insulin for treating diabetes, the pacemaker ,better infant mortality rates and longer life expectancy. Our healthcare costs are lower. Everyone is covered. We have excellent research throughout the country. There, I let you know.
@Orionx30 That is a fact. It’s Cricket for fricksake.James Naismith a Phys.Ed instructor from Ontario Canada invented basketball in 1891.As for the rest if U don't know about the pacemaker and insulin as it relates to your field of work I won’t waste anymore time.
@Orionx30 James Naismith a Phys.Ed instructor from Ontario Canada invented basketball in 1891
On June 4, 1838 the first game of baseball was played in Beachville Ontario, a full year before Abner Doubleday supposedly invented the game in Cooperstown new York .
@irishgodfatherchris....... where he conducted research on hypothermia. While experimenting with radio frequency heating to restore body temperature, Hopps made an unexpected discovery: if a heart stopped beating due to cooling, it could be started again by artificial stimulation using mechanical or electric means. This lead to Hopps' invention of the world's first cardiac pacemaker in 1950. His device was far too large to be implanted inside of the human body. It was an external pacemaker
@irishgodfatherchris Although a still born baby was revived by using a light point for source by physicist Edgar Booth at U of Sydney in 1926
Early Heart Pacemaker
Canadian, John Hopps invented the first cardiac pacemaker. Hopps was trained as an electrical engineer at the University of Manitoba and joined the National Research Council in 1941,
I know some Americans who work in Taiwan. They say that compared with the healthcare system in Taiwan, the Canadian system is a joke. The waiting time is just unbearable. So.....
I was told to just live with the pain also, prescribed bottles and bottles of pain meds, anti-inflammatory, and because I can not work due to disability, I developed severe depression; Who wouldn't when all you can do is lay down and pray to GOD to take you home;
@FIXWCBCANADA I you were telling the truth, it was the specialist who said you didn't need the surgery, and who said that surgery was not indicated. If is a back injury, he may well be right. Back surgery is often likely to end up worse than yo were when you stated off. I chose no to have surgery on my back, and chose a special series of back exercises that eliminates the pain. Especially for back injuries, surgery is seldom the answer.
@FIXWCBCANADA Im sure if you were in the states it would be worse anyways. Maybe other countries could help, I know France has pretty good healthcare :).
@ashwee222 ....I absolutely agree as in France there are specialists who actually know what they are doing;
In my case it took 100 doctors 5+ years to diagnose a spinal injury; 6 ortho surgeons and 3 neurosurgeons missed my spinal njury; NOT ONE OF THEM CONDUCTED A FULL EXAMINATION;
The physicians' strike in Saskatchewan in 1962 was sponsored by the American Medical Association, who crossed the border to meddle in Saskatchewan's business.
canadian system is great but the problem is funding..everyone is saying oh we want free health care system but it needs money..for that goverment should make a process which mandates the canadians to put 2 to 3% of tehir whole income which also includes people on welfare...i work in store and i saw canadians are spending on lotteries too much which may randomly give donnations to health care than whynot give money directly to it?...
@blomit Also maternal mortality rates in the United States are 70% higher than they are in Canada. Shona Holmes has been proven to be a liar. What she had was not cancerin any way, she had a benign cyst, with a mortality rate of ZERO, and she had to a longer wait for surgery at the Mayo Clinic than she would have had in Ontario.
@murphyj87 I say that any Canadian who knowingly blasts the health-care system and bad mouths the country that's been taking good care of them for their own selfish pursuits should lose their citizenship.
@secundadonna ...I say any Canadian who is a whistle blower on FRAUD by GOVERNMENT and The Canadian Health System should get a MEDAL of Honor; SO FYTOO
@murphyj87 thank you. This FIXWCBCANADA comes on every video about Canadian healthcare and openly blasts the hell out of it. He/she is probably 1 out of 100 Canadians who despise our system versus millions who love it. In Ontario the service may not be totally perfect, but it's here and it will hopefully keep on existing.
@secundadonna You can tell from his nick who he has a problem with... WCB, Workers Compensation Board, not the health care system. Probably a WBC physician disagreed with the specialist, but if the specialist felt strongly enough about it, he would do the surgery under the health care system not WCB, but he doesn't do that, which tells me that the specialist isn't sold on the need for surgery.
@secundadonna If memory serves me correctly, he is a Newfoundlander. I think that may explain why he has no idea of how things actually work. Many of the Newfoundlanders that I know will insist they're right even after being proved wrong with demonstrable evidence.
@FIXWCBCANADA WTF are you talking about? You're so delusional it's scary. You know, if you hate the system so much, then go to America where you'll have to refinance your home and exhaust all your bank loans to take care of your injury.
@blomit Because Americans eat more, drink more and smoke more especially while pregnant. If you work in the Emergency department in the states you will see. Its not the care, the care is better... Its how the people take care of their health.
@FIXWCBCANADA The only people who can refuse operations are the person's family physician. The government has absolutely no say in it. The handful of Canadians who go to the US are those who think their condition is worse than their own physicians say it is. If you want to see a bureaucrat making medical decisions, the only place you'll see that happen is in the US, where insurance company bureaucrats ration & deny health care for profit, not in Canada.
@murphyj87 ...oh thats just a crock of shit...your gp has fuck all to due with the specialists decision? I had a surgeon request an operation for me due to a work injury and workers compensation claims adjudicator overruled the specialists request with no medical training to just FUCK ME AROUND, and deny me the MEDICAL OPERATION
@FIXWCBCANADA If any physician says you need surgery, you get it , covered by the health care system, despite anything that happens with compensation. If the specialist really said you needed surgery, WCB has nothing to say about it. WCB may not pay for it but the health care system would. Talk about a crock...
I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that. The American health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and the American Medical Assoc.
Canada, Britain, France and even Cuba all have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health care plans where every citizen receives health care with no additional costs
The commercial did not quote the "Canadians" and they were obviously not a wide sample size like this video. American's fear of socialism as is practiced in Western Europe, Japan, and Taiwan is crippling us. The only countries that match us for our government's uninvolvement are third world countries. If you have one example of a first world country by HDI that does not care for all of its citizens country please post it here. They do not exist.
Dear Canadians, I have a lot of respect for you as our neighbor and ally. You have put up with much of our bickering, and using you as a talking point just to show how you aren't as good, even though it's not true much of the time.
Canadians have had our back in every conflict in the last 100 years, even if they haven't totally agreed. Maybe it's how close I live, but I only have one thing to disagree with most Canadians, which is covered with one saying: Go Red Wings. Thank you Canada!
@bigsexy13 Though I appreciate your comment I have to disagree and say that we did not officially join you in Vietnam or Iraq. We want to support America but will stand for what we believe in.
if americans laugh at our army, or our war dead - who gives a fuck? it just proves them to be the assholes we are learning them to be. if we tell them about all the wonderful things canadians have done they will laugh & demean us. so why bother? why bother with them at all? Ocassionally one runs into a good & respectful american, treat that one like the friend he or she is, with the respect & manners we canadians are famous
I don't understand why canadians fight with americans. I used to do that - now I just tell them that they can do & think whatever the fuck they want. I am caring less & less about our supposed greatest ally. i used to love america and americans. but their actions and attitudes have sickened me. so what if they hate canada & our health care & our 'socialism'. who gives a fuck? we know what we have here in canada - I see no reason to convince them othwerwise. it's like pissing in the wind.
I think most canadian never recieve health care in other countries. Do you know why most chinese immigrant complain canada health care system so much? If you come to my hometown, you will know. In most cases, the waiting time for MRI is less than one hour. Another fact worth mention is that, in my city hospitals run about 60 000 PET scan every year. In ontario(four times population), only 2000 PET scan are conducted every year.
have u never heard about a consultation or IME, yah didn't think so...ck this video out to find out all about whats really happening; watch the u-tube video;;;;; Dr. David Janda explains rationing and why Dr. Rob Steele must defeat Dingel''''''l..... this doctor explains exactly what the obama care bill is all about......
RATIONALE: With the aging population, arthritis of the hip and knee is increasing exponentially. While total joint replacement of the hip and knee have been proven to provide excellent outcomes for this debilitating clinical entity, the demand in Canada has grown to such an extent that there are thousands of people suffering on wait lists across the country. There have been numerous recent studies focusing on the effects that waiting have on patient .
When access to elective surgery is rationed by wait lists, patients requiring coronary artery bypass grafting may have to wait after a decision to operate has been made. The current literature suggests that a long wait for planned surgical revascularization may lead to worsening of symptoms, deterioration in the patient's condition and a less favorable clinical outcome; it may also increase the probability of preoperative death
@FIXWCBCANADA You are clearly a fucking idiot. Doctors ONLY get paid from billings. THey bill for a procedure and get paid. They DON'T get paid to NOT treat someone. People do not wait for Level I heart bypass surgery. PERIOD. All documented and can be looked up on the internet. YOU FUCKIN LIE.
You got denied because there is NOTHING wrong with you, except your mental state. You need help alright. 100 docs my ass.
@MadHabber93 Hmmm?? Doctor MadHabber I presume? Mst doctors in Canada are "on the take". anyone working for the wokers compensation system is an arrogant thief and murderer. Denying peoplesclaims for chronic pain leads directly to te patients death. Slandering, lieing, incompetent, criminal, nazi, pigs. Didn't you know WCB's are a Eugenics program first and formost? No medical care, forced into poverty, abused to death.
@SuperNewf1 Umm, no not a doc, but know well over 100 of them. I do not have any first hand knowledge on whether they get workman comp cases, nor do I care. However, I do know that a doc only gets paid through our system through the services they provide NOT through services they deny. If you want to call workman's comp all those things, could care less, but don't lump all docs in the same thing.
@FIXWCBCANADA Canadian doctors GET PAID to provide MRI scans. You are one fucking nutjob. Care to provide any proof on another one of your ridiculous claims?? Thought not.
all Canadians pay taxes YET not all Canadians get UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE;
example; once you are injured on the job, you don't qualify for universal health care, and are stuck in the workers compensation system which is CORRUPT and get paid bonuses to deny claims. so basically your screwed... no health care,,diagnostic tests..operations 4 you...UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS CANADA'S BIGGEST LIE;
fell through a crack is an understatement,when wsib/wcb is involved it's more like a
i was kicked out of hospital in Canada with multiple spinal injuries, in desperation i went to another hospital and was again kicked out. i was not belligerent whatsoever;
in desperation i went from physician to phycisian to physician, no tests were ordered, i was givin armloads of pain meds, and other meds; when the pain got worse i went back to the hospital and received NO HELP; I later found out that a physician was telling other doctors i was a malingering faker; I am bankrupt and disabled;
Never heard a stories in Canada wherein patients were dumped by hospital because they can't pay their bills and never heard stories that Canadians got bankrupt paying their hospital bills, medicines, etc.. In USA it happen
Asking people as they come out of Hospital row in Toronto??? How about asking those who live in the more rural areas of Canada. How do they feel about not having access to a doctor because the government feels the need to only provide them to high population areas?
@qhack A doctor can open up a practice ANYWHERE in Canada, rurally or otherwise. The gov't does not restrict any doctor from setting up where they want since they all run PRIVATE practices. Why aren't more doctors in small town Canada, the same reason they aren't in small town U.S.A., because its a SMALL TOWN.
As a US citizen, I personally know the Canadian system is far better. That commercial is no doubt sponsored by those industries in the US who feed off of the sick. If you don't have money, they don't care about you at all. They rip off sick people. They will ask you to leave from your doctor or hospital. Look how much their CEOs make annually. The documentary Sicko is true. You lose your job, you lose your so-called healthcare, you don't have money, you can lose everyting, even your life.
Canadian healthcare is great. The problem is it wouldn't work in the U.S. because we have such a large population, including illegal aliens. Canada's population is about the same size as the state of California.
@hectorsalina Well you have to prove you're a Canadian when you receive medical care in Canada. You have to present your Health Card on each visit. It has your photo, information and OHIP number. The card can be swiped or scanned to pull up medical records and detailed information. Each province regulates their own system.
We have universal healthcare in Australia and I must say that the system is excellent. My mother died of breast cancer after an 11 year struggle. I can only say that she got very good care and when she was first diagnosed she was treated very quickly.
My father had a VERY serious prostrate infection and he was hospitalised for 5 days. He got fast instant care and got to walk out without paying a cent. When he arrived at the ER sick they gace him tests instantly and found the problem.
yes those storys are true.. it happened to me...i was told to live with the pain..even though my doctor tryed to help me, he wasn`t allowed to....i now have severe neuropathic pain and am still being denied medical treatment. knowing what i now know i wish i would have ran to the MAYO clinic because i now am a disabled injured worker who has been denied any retraining by wcb and unemployment insurance, i went from $6700 month to welfare, to CDI $685 month , try live on that...
@FIXWCBCANADA So do one of two things. Move or stop bitching about our healthcare system when it has everything to do with Workman's Comp., which runs Independently of the gov`t. They are deciding not to cover you, not the province.
I waited 10 days to get an MRI scan. In Ontario, 90% of patients get their non-urgent MRI in less than 2 months. Many hospitals are listed at 30 days. All on the Ontario provincial website to verify. Any urgent MRI is received immediately. Just like our friends 19 year old daughter, who was wisked into the ER with numbness in her. MRI verified a stroke. Received a 2nd one later that day. Canadian doctors SAVED her life, just like they do EVERYDAY!!
Canadians are dying due to long waiting lists, it takes forever to get diagnostic tests, your GP is not allowed to order MRI, this must be done by a specialist, wait times to see a specialist can be over 1 year. then wait times for the mri can also be over 1 year,
It took me 3 years to get an mri, and then it took 5 years for the next mri, the pain specialist has stated due to the wait my pain is now neuropathic and here take a fentanyl patch; my life has been destroyed by Canadian Doctors
How do I become a Canadien citizen? With the way things are going in America (rising cost of education and healthcare, moron Republicans calling for giant tax cuts without cutting spending, all our jobs going overseas, etc, etc) I don't see my self staying here.
@pepintheshort100 My neighbours both fought cancer recently and had only praise for their treatment. Both in remission/cured. My friend was just diagnosed with breast cancer. Again, getting timely, excellent care. Thank God for our system.
what I'd like to share w/ my fellow Americans is that we already have universal healthcare . When every American turns 65 we are all eligible and must accept Medicare. It was the private health insurance companies who bribed the congress into passing Medicare because these companies did not want to pay for the health care needs of the elderly so they passed this bill onto the American taxpayer. So, if "socialized" medicine is so evil why don't we get rid of it?
And every word obozo says is a lie! Straight from the video..."those stories are PROBABLY TRUE! But, NOT every health-care is perfect, of course"...my point made
For those that cry socialism when Canada is discussed, they fail to realized that there is a free market win win with the Canadian public medical system. That system makes it cheaper for private businesses to compete. Ever wondered why it is cheaper to open up an automobile plant in Canada compared to the United States? Before unions are going to be blamed in response, remember that unions are actually stronger in Canada. Public medical care makes it cheaper for businesses up there.
There are some things the Government can and can't control, as there are things Corporations can and can't control, and corporations can NOT control Healthcare and Military operations.
Haha this is total bs. My dad would have died from prostate cancer in canada and they told him their was nothing they could do. He came To the US and was told it was treatable. He is still alive and now we live hear because of his job. I think this congress is stupid. Any kind of socializing is bad. If the lack of treatment doesnt kill us the cost of it to the taxpayer will. Gf America looks like we lost to our government.
It doesn't matter if it worx or not…this is America! Fuck Canada and it's usurping despots…the healthcare for everyone crap is UNCONSTITUTIONAL…point blank! Have you read the US Constitution…have you?!
Unconstitutional? Police and fire services are shoved down your throats: everyone pays for it. Is it unconstitutional too? Perhaps private police forces can be cheaper!!
And why is everyone "entitled" to legal representation in court, as stated in Miranda? Why do the rich have to pay so those evil poor criminals can have legal representation?
Socialized health care is a moral no brainer and in the long run benefits everyone. But you just close your mind and stick to what you know.
@Spanky00Cheeks police is law enforcement and according to capitalism, law enforcement is a function of the government along with the military. Without wars and crime, private police and military companies would go bankrupt. People will always need medical help and therefor that can be provided by the market. How can it be that the private market supplies everything, EXCEPT healthcare...makes no sense. It's like saying that the laws of math don't apply when you add 2+2 but do with other #'s
@suavebone look fucktard this video is showing the lies and propaganda your system has. I don't give a fuck if americans don't get healthcare. most canadians wouldn't care either. you lot can take a flying fuck for all I care.
Heres the solution to people in America not being able to afford healthcare....laws need to be made that hospitals can't charge those excessive prices like $100,000.00 for heart care, allow much competition by letting doctors and help them to open their own clinic all over, all the money our fake government steals from America to build up other countries like china, mexico, germany and so on - use that money to help people who need care and can't afford it but do not force us to buy it!
I noticed that your video revolved around interviews in downtown Toronto in Canada's weathiest province. I am from British Columbia where our health care system has turned into your worst nightmare. Any town or city with a population of 20000 people or less has had its hospital closed. I went to an emergency room for an MRI for what could have been a life threatening disorder and sat in the emergency room in a cubicle for 9 hours before any emercency room nurses even acknowledged i was there.
@40raceguy Canada's wealthiest province? You are from BC. I live in Quebec and go to Ontario every day, and it's not the wealthiest provinec, just like Quebec, it's a have-not province. Alberta, Newfoundland and Saskatchewan where the only Have provinces last time I bshecked (notice there the oil provinces).
I BELIEVE in our health care system here in Canada. Lately, some of clients have told me that they would go "wherever" they could to get instant care. I have to agree with them...BUT...if a for-profit clinic is made made an option, why not require BY LAW that it must also staff the clinic 24 hrs, to enable "regular" people to have the procedures done during the off hours -no charge (ala health plan). Anyone requiring an MRI would be happy for an appointment at 3:00am, if it meant less of a wait.
@sheilalady001 But then our tax-money would be going to renting MRI machines, medical offices, and staff from private companies at inflated prices. It would make more sense to me to invest that tax money into our current system through purchasing more MRI machines for 24 hour medical facilities that already exist.
@sheilalady001 I think most canadian never recieve health care in other countries. Do you know why most chinese immigrant complain canada health care system so much? If you come to my hometown, you will know. In most cases, the waiting time for MRI is less than one hour. Another fact worth mention is that, in my city hospitals run about 60 000 PET scan every year. In ontario(four times population), only 2000 PET scan are conducted every year.
Why reinvent the wheel? Why not learn from countries that already enjoy socialized medicine. Taiwan, Great Britain, Japan, Germany, and Switzerland are featured in the FRONTLINE report titled "Sick around the world", which you can watch online. While there, also check out "Sick around America".
Heath care example 1......... It's Simple work for someone else get sick, lose your job, then you lose your employer base insurance...... Then you lose everything because of massive medical bills
Example 2... work for yourself get sick , then the insurance company raises your premium till you can't make the payment your fucked either way......
I have been a United Kingdom resident for a year...it is SO important to know that I can drop by the hospital and get free treatment for any disease I may have without paying anything........free healthcare is a HUMAN PREROGATIVE
No, because if you have health care, and have a life threatening condition you will get it treated.... with what they are proposing will make us wait a year to get treatment for things
well one thing you have to remember is with our way if you don't have the cash you will NEVER get treatment. personally i would rather wait a year then never. not saying its perfect. would be nice if you had something you needed don't quick and had the money you could do it right there and then or something. the bill has not been passed yet tho so guess ill just have to wait and see.
I hate to break it to you, but people dont innovate to get a pat on their back..Money IS incentive.
And you're not getting my point..I'm not saying the American system is an end-all-be all...its still pretty balls...but going to a socialist system is simply not the answer...our economy just can't support it.
and if you look at the studies, socialist countries such as France and the U.K are going to eventually suffer bankrupcy, just like Iceland: They're spending money they just dont have.
Yeah i understand that you cant just copy a different system, there are many factors to it.
from the start they have been yelling for a bankrupcy the nordic countries are doing just fine, could be better as always but no doom looming in the horizon :D
icelandic "bunkrupcy" has nothing to do with socialist system, they were heavily invested in the yank success story of the subprimes :D
Yea subprime mortgages are bullshit, but that's not a strike against US capitalism: its against corporate greed. Capitalism works when the markets are fair and don't become bloated through debt and unbalanced crediting. That was our big businesses' fault, no doubts there.
Still, even if thats the only reason Iceland went under, which it's not, that doesnt answer the fact that France and England are both on paths where in the forseeable future, they won't even be able to turn a profit.
That's not anything related to U.S. health insurance, that's from our faulty pork barrel spending, ineffective social programs and fighting two wars i've never supported.
That much is true, but that's the fault of our dumb shit president of the last 8 years..Obama though would dig us even deeper though by providing a public option.
Last time I heard there was nothing wrong with making the best of your situation by WORKING towards something better in life.
And as long as companies and banks are regulated so that the people aren't fucked over with subprime mortgages and other nonsense, its a system that Works.
Don't come crying to me when the U.S. moves past its war debts and your country is floundering in a socialist induced bankruptcy.
How should i know? I could be wrong and you might be an American, but if so you barely have any idea of how our country works, politically or economically..
"you barely have any idea of how our country works, politically or economically."
It is you who knows little. I suggest watching the video (or better, buy & read the book) 'A Brief History of Neoliberalism' by David Harvey.
Capitalism and greed are synonyms. If you haven't perceived this yet (and yes, perceive is proper term here), nothing will ever makes sense: politics, economics, culture, etc.
If you read the book Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto, I will read A Brief History of Neoliberalism.
If capitalism is synonymous with greed, than what do you call it when the government takes everyones money, only to shoot it back out in wasteful and ineffective programs?
Yes, there should be regulations to cut down massive, overpowering monopolies, but capitalism is not greed, its Hope that by hard work you can change your life for the better. Socialism is a reward to not work
"there should be regulations to cut down massive, overpowering monopolies"
That's not the standard neoliberal line. For Friedmanites, corporations should be able to operate without constraints, save those of the so-called "free"-market; a system of economic relations which, in reality, isn't free at all. Free market "reforms," when instituted in foreign countries, always come with restrictions & stipulations against union organizing & environmental regulation.
Stephen Harper needs to go, before Canada does become a justification for private medicine!
Thebeginingisner 5 days ago
Tommy Douglas from Saskatchewan would be PRETTY DAMN MAD if he saw what was happening to medicare in Canada now.
FIXWCBCANADA 3 weeks ago
Fighting for Justice - My Story of medical malpractice and judicial abuse ;
FIXWCBCANADA 3 weeks ago
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watch this video below- it clearly shows how Canada is a psychopathic crown corporation
Fighting for Justice - My Story of medical malpractice and judicial abuse ;
you fucking dumb ignorant canadians don't have a fucking clue what is really going on in your own fucking country;
you're all a bunch of dumb fucking no-it-alls, that don't have a fucking clue.
FIXWCBCANADA 3 weeks ago
6:30 count the lies!
concussedcarneous 2 months ago
@concussedcarneous Didn't take me long to count. ZERO.
MadHabber93 2 months ago
@concussedcarneous dude thats all true.
COBHC12 1 week ago
Canadians like welfare.
concussedcarneous 2 months ago
If our healthcare system is so terrible, why would Tommy Douglas, the man who brought us this system, be voted "The Greatest Canadian, even beating national heroes like Terry Fox,Frederick Banting and others.
CIVDC 3 months ago
@CIVDC BEcause dispite its problems it is better then the american alternative for the vast majority of the population. You dont see Canadians losing their homes or going hungry because they need to pay for their medical bills, unlike in the US. There is no perfect system, but there is no better system then Universal Healthcare as of yet.
dave19941000 1 month ago
Guys the healthcare system is not supposed to make money its supposed to save lives, that's supposed to be the whole point.
irishgodfatherchris 3 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris People only open up businesses to make money. No body is a saint. Its a simple point.
Orionx30 3 months ago
@Orionx30 the healthcare system is not a business its a service designed to save lives not make money under any circumstances.
irishgodfatherchris 3 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris Thats pretty noble, but the reality is that healthcare costs money.
Orionx30 3 months ago
@Orionx30 of course it does thats why in my country everyone who can contribute does contribute, every worker pays 1.5% of their income into the system, there are some possible exceptions those being lower income earners but normally they'll just pay a lower percentage of their pay, its not that difficult.
irishgodfatherchris 3 months ago
i just moved to one of the largest cities in Canada. my dad just got his public health insurance activated and decided to go out one day and get examined. he waited less than twenty minutes to see a doctor of his choice.
stig1893 5 months ago
I read in the New York Times that Taiwan has a really good healthcare system. Hopefully the mainstream media will look into that as well. There are a lot of models that we can look at, so I don't understand why the US media only look at the Canadian system. The UK has a bigger population (62,262,000) than Canada (34,519,000), so it might be a good idea to look at how Britons design their healthcare system, too.
ttiiyy 6 months ago
How do I become a Canadian citizen?
jburd641 7 months ago
I bet none of those people were among the 41% of Canadians who had to wait 2 or more months to see a specialist...
Or the 25% of Canadians who had to wait 4 or more months to get a surgery...
Or the 31% of Canadians who had to wait 4 or more hours in an ER...
Or the 33% of Canadians who had to wait six or more days to see a doctor when they needed one...
And they probably haven't talked to the 57% of Canadian Doctors who say that people suffer long waiting times for diagnostic tests
aaasssfffdddiii 7 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii WOuld looooove to see the unbiased report your horseshit stats.
In the meantime:
"Dr. Angela Gardner, president of the American College of Emergency Physicians, who assessed the Press Ganey's Pulse Report 2010, says the report reveals the average length of stay in a U.S. emergency department increased to 4 hours, 7 minutes."
MadHabber93 7 months ago
@MadHabber93 Angela Gardner, with all due respect, is full of sh*t. The stats I gave were all from the Commonwealth Fund, which actually leans a bit to the left (but claims to be unbiased). They all came from the November 2010 report (except for the last stat which came from 2007).
I repeat, Angela Gardner is full of sh*t. The same Commonwealth Fund Study found that only 13% of Americans wait 4 or more hours in the ER, as compared to 31% of Canadians...
aaasssfffdddiii 7 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Of course you don't believe outside sources that are not U.S. based biased bullshit.
I can provide a STUDY, unbiased, showing that most patients in Ontario were seen in less than 2 hours. True level I emergencies in less than 6 minutes. Keep drinking the Koolaide.
I've never waited more than 2 hours in any Canadian ER when I've gone. Unlike the 15 HOURS I waited in Dallas.
MadHabber93 7 months ago
@MadHabber93 Well, it is a fact that 31% of Canadians waited 4 or more hours in the ER in 2010. It is also a fact that only 13% of Americans waited that long. It is also true that 34% of Americans wait less than 30 minutes in the ER, while only 20% of Canadians get ER care that fast...
I don't know about your personal study. But, on average, Americans wait far less than Canadians in the ER (and for all types of Care)...
aaasssfffdddiii 7 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii I think maybe overall, you might wait a bit longer in Canada, but remember we include everyone in that line. However, I curious to know where you get your stats from. According to a 2007 study of ER wait times in Ontario, & I'll quote:
"at least half of the patientswait 1.2 hours or more to be seen by a physician; 10% of patients are seen within 0.3 hours (10th percentile); and the same proportion of patients wait 3.6 hours or more.
THis study says 10% wait 3.6 hours or more
MadHabber93 7 months ago
@MadHabber93 All my stats came from a 2010 report from the Commonwealth Fund. I don't know what study you are referencing, but I am sure it is somewhat reputable. But, as far as I know, Ontario has lower wait times than other areas in Canada. The Commonwealth Fund is for all of Canada, and it is a very reputable organization as far as numbers go...
aaasssfffdddiii 7 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii I agree.
MadHabber93 7 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii one word: Triage. I will happily wait an extra hour or so if someone with a more serious need is seen first. I don't want someone to die because I paid more to have my scraped knee bandaged first.
000snow000 5 months ago
@000snow000 Well, have fun waiting for that crappy out of date technology...
Ill happily pay for high quality quick care
(as another note, you do pay for your HC through taxes...)
aaasssfffdddiii 5 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii I'm well aware of how my healthcare works thanks.... But do you realize that you actually pay more taxes than I do? And please tell me, where you get your misinformation: crappy out of date technology? You do know that Ottawa has one of the best cancer facilities in all of North America, don't you? Stop watching Fox News and start learning a little.
000snow000 5 months ago
@000snow000 First, the streak continues. You have successfully continued the trend of liberals I have talked to randomly bringing up Fox News. Congrats, your obsession with Fox News is quite interestaing...
And, you do know that virtually ALL medical innovation comes from America... O, and taxes are higher in Canada than they are in America, just a pesky facy
aaasssfffdddiii 5 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii 1) Well when Fox is where you get your news.... the ignorance isn't surprising. Maybe non-Americans always bring it up because it's shockingly ridiculous and explains a lot.
2) A lot of innovation comes from America, and the rest of the world uses it just as much...
3) look it up. We pay less tax. (I pay none actually, until I hit the 10,000$/year point, then I'll pay 15%.)
000snow000 5 months ago
@000snow000
1) I have no idea how you would possibly know where I get my news. Unless you're a stalker or something...
2) Um, maybe, but, if America were to socialize it's system that would decrease innovation a lot...
3) Tax Revenue is 26.9% of GDP in America, it is 32.2% of GDP in Canada. 32.2%>26.9%... unless my math is really off
aaasssfffdddiii 5 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii
You already got your ass reemed on your knowledge of taxation in Canada.Since we are talking about health care theUS spends 18% of it's GDP on healthcare Canada spends 10% Health care Got It? And eveyone is 100% covered from birth to death with No restrictions from sevices.No out of pocket costsZero We are healthier ,live longer and are far better served by single payer.Over one Million Americans seak coverage outside you country every year because of cost
tindallpe 5 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii He made me pee in a cup then gave me a prescription for flowmax.I was in and out and 5 minutes.I got my bill in the mail.2,500 bucks for 5 minutes? oh i forgot 500 for the ambulance ride cause i couldnt walk due to a kindey stone.
Sorry but 3 grand for a few minutes?
spigotman 18 hours ago
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Bullshit, if you needed an ambulance for 5 minutes worth of care then you deserve to be billed that much, because you weren't seriously ill enough to use that service. If you really were in that much pain they would of done a CT scan, urinalysis, cbc, bmp. They would of given morphine and zofran along with the iv placement and the saline they would of given to hydrate you. That all costs money. Not to mention the techs, nurses and doctors who participated in your care. idiot.
Orionx30 3 months ago
@Orionx30 Yes It all costs money and lots of it. That is precisely why you need co-ops or universality to pay for it; not the individual and not private insurance . What does private insurance actually provide in medicine? A corporate insurance system must make a profit outside and separate of the field of medical delivery no matter what because that is the essence of" The Corporation" and there is no place for it in the delivery of medicine. It provides nothing.
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe It provides efficiency.
Orionx30 3 months ago
@Orionx30 Efficiency in denying coverages,capping payouts and refusing applications.Our people are covered yours are not and you didn't address the point about bankruptcy so believe whatever you like and don't get into a discussion about what we contribute you backward fuckin hilbilly it's certainly better than what you assholes destruct
tindallpe 3 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii • Here’s another one from your precious system from an American What the hell is this?May be you should look around you instesd of professing to be so well read
••So sick of everyone bitching about healthcare/No one is to blame but doctors and hospitals.Everyone could afford it even it didnt cost so much.I went to the hospital and seen a doctor for 5 minutes
tindallpe 5 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii He got his bill for $2500 bucks plus $500.00 for the ambulance .Would you please stop the propaganda .Your system is HELL ..........PERIOD. We have better survival rates for many things.Childhood Lukimia, Kidney transplants, Liver transplants.Our systems are modern with new hospital constrution everywhere. Your whole approach is nothing but propaganda.I'm leaving now It's your system up for debate .Keep ours out it if you don't know what you are talking about
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Lol, I guess I was right about you being immune to facts and reality...
aaasssfffdddiii 5 months ago
@aaiii All I see from you is.The Us has innovation because private Insurance runs healthcare by billing the public, and by removing that entity innovation will die because incentive will be taken out. WRONG OK? WRONG.Patents will still be registered. Billions can still be made. Innovation will still be rewarded and you could still have private clinics. But to deny to so many for what ?The fact is you don't give a shit that 30 or 40 thousand people die every because you won't let them see a DR.
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Hmm, but the public sector pays less than the private sector..
aaasssfffdddiii 5 months ago
@tindallpe 30-40 thousand people die because they dont sign up for medicare, medicaid... Enough said.
Orionx30 3 months ago
@Orix30 30 or 40 thousand die not because they don't sign up it's because they are rejected or capped or don'tqualify. And don't post me after a month with your bullshit. I don't even know what comments you're reffering to and I could care less.I live in Canada.I will agree this system is not perfect but guess what, every experience I or my familly has had has been handled extremely well. Perhaps that's above average but we have excellent coverage.It's your system that needs the overhall.Jackass
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe Its seems to me presumption is the mother of all fuck-ups and you sir, are presuming. I know for a fact because I sign people up for Access or Medicare everyday in the Emergency department. We turn no one down.Our system is the best in the world if you have insurance. If you don't have insurance you sign up for government aid. If you make too much money and the Government rejects you it seems to me its not private its the Government who is rejecting and killing people.
Orionx30 3 months ago
@Orionx30 And you would know first hand by the way your government presumes its way around the world eg. Iraq, Somalia etc.Again you are presuming your system is the best in the world. Therefore I concur with you analogy about fuckups.People from all over the world become medical tourists and your country has the greatest number. Shall we pressume they don't think your system is all that great. Over 50% of your bankrupcies in the US are a result of not being able to pay for healthcare
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe I'm not presuming shit about our system. I am stating a fact about our level of care and administration of care and our innovation of care. Let me know the next time you fuck ups contribute more than hockey, pountine and maple syrup to the rest of the world.
Orionx30 3 months ago
@Orionx30 Next time you go to a basketball or a baseball game, know it was a Canadian that invented that for Ya. Football is rugby. All of your sports were invented by the Britts or Canadians.Am radio, cable tv, washing machine, automotive air conditioner, insulin for treating diabetes, the pacemaker ,better infant mortality rates and longer life expectancy. Our healthcare costs are lower. Everyone is covered. We have excellent research throughout the country. There, I let you know.
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe Except its all bullshit.
Orionx30 3 months ago
@Orionx30 That is a fact. It’s Cricket for fricksake.James Naismith a Phys.Ed instructor from Ontario Canada invented basketball in 1891.As for the rest if U don't know about the pacemaker and insulin as it relates to your field of work I won’t waste anymore time.
tindallpe 3 months ago
@Orionx30 James Naismith a Phys.Ed instructor from Ontario Canada invented basketball in 1891
On June 4, 1838 the first game of baseball was played in Beachville Ontario, a full year before Abner Doubleday supposedly invented the game in Cooperstown new York .
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe the artificial pacemaker was a joint Australian and British venture other than that you're entirely correct
irishgodfatherchris 3 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris....... where he conducted research on hypothermia. While experimenting with radio frequency heating to restore body temperature, Hopps made an unexpected discovery: if a heart stopped beating due to cooling, it could be started again by artificial stimulation using mechanical or electric means. This lead to Hopps' invention of the world's first cardiac pacemaker in 1950. His device was far too large to be implanted inside of the human body. It was an external pacemaker
tindallpe 3 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris Although a still born baby was revived by using a light point for source by physicist Edgar Booth at U of Sydney in 1926
Early Heart Pacemaker
Canadian, John Hopps invented the first cardiac pacemaker. Hopps was trained as an electrical engineer at the University of Manitoba and joined the National Research Council in 1941,
tindallpe 3 months ago
I know some Americans who work in Taiwan. They say that compared with the healthcare system in Taiwan, the Canadian system is a joke. The waiting time is just unbearable. So.....
ttiiyy 7 months ago
I was told to just live with the pain also, prescribed bottles and bottles of pain meds, anti-inflammatory, and because I can not work due to disability, I developed severe depression; Who wouldn't when all you can do is lay down and pray to GOD to take you home;
FIXWCBCANADA 8 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA I you were telling the truth, it was the specialist who said you didn't need the surgery, and who said that surgery was not indicated. If is a back injury, he may well be right. Back surgery is often likely to end up worse than yo were when you stated off. I chose no to have surgery on my back, and chose a special series of back exercises that eliminates the pain. Especially for back injuries, surgery is seldom the answer.
murphyj87 8 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Im sure if you were in the states it would be worse anyways. Maybe other countries could help, I know France has pretty good healthcare :).
ashwee222 8 months ago
@ashwee222 ....I absolutely agree as in France there are specialists who actually know what they are doing;
In my case it took 100 doctors 5+ years to diagnose a spinal injury; 6 ortho surgeons and 3 neurosurgeons missed my spinal njury; NOT ONE OF THEM CONDUCTED A FULL EXAMINATION;
WATCHOUT WHEN WORKERS COMP IS INVOLVED
FIXWCBCANADA 7 months ago
The physicians' strike in Saskatchewan in 1962 was sponsored by the American Medical Association, who crossed the border to meddle in Saskatchewan's business.
murphyj87 9 months ago
canadian system is great but the problem is funding..everyone is saying oh we want free health care system but it needs money..for that goverment should make a process which mandates the canadians to put 2 to 3% of tehir whole income which also includes people on welfare...i work in store and i saw canadians are spending on lotteries too much which may randomly give donnations to health care than whynot give money directly to it?...
rockingnandpatel 9 months ago
why do canadians live longer than americans and have a look at the infant mortality rates
blomit 9 months ago
@blomit Also maternal mortality rates in the United States are 70% higher than they are in Canada. Shona Holmes has been proven to be a liar. What she had was not cancerin any way, she had a benign cyst, with a mortality rate of ZERO, and she had to a longer wait for surgery at the Mayo Clinic than she would have had in Ontario.
murphyj87 9 months ago
@murphyj87 I say that any Canadian who knowingly blasts the health-care system and bad mouths the country that's been taking good care of them for their own selfish pursuits should lose their citizenship.
secundadonna 8 months ago
@secundadonna ...I say any Canadian who is a whistle blower on FRAUD by GOVERNMENT and The Canadian Health System should get a MEDAL of Honor; SO FYTOO
FIXWCBCANADA 8 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Oh yeah? Good luck, because there is none.
murphyj87 8 months ago
@murphyj87 thank you. This FIXWCBCANADA comes on every video about Canadian healthcare and openly blasts the hell out of it. He/she is probably 1 out of 100 Canadians who despise our system versus millions who love it. In Ontario the service may not be totally perfect, but it's here and it will hopefully keep on existing.
secundadonna 8 months ago
@secundadonna You can tell from his nick who he has a problem with... WCB, Workers Compensation Board, not the health care system. Probably a WBC physician disagreed with the specialist, but if the specialist felt strongly enough about it, he would do the surgery under the health care system not WCB, but he doesn't do that, which tells me that the specialist isn't sold on the need for surgery.
murphyj87 8 months ago
@secundadonna If memory serves me correctly, he is a Newfoundlander. I think that may explain why he has no idea of how things actually work. Many of the Newfoundlanders that I know will insist they're right even after being proved wrong with demonstrable evidence.
murphyj87 8 months ago
@murphyj87 I know a good number of Newfies and none of them are like him.
secundadonna 8 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA WTF are you talking about? You're so delusional it's scary. You know, if you hate the system so much, then go to America where you'll have to refinance your home and exhaust all your bank loans to take care of your injury.
secundadonna 8 months ago
@blomit Because Americans eat more, drink more and smoke more especially while pregnant. If you work in the Emergency department in the states you will see. Its not the care, the care is better... Its how the people take care of their health.
Orionx30 3 months ago
I wish OHIP would cover vision and dental.
secundadonna 9 months ago
@secundadonna I hate that we don't get that. OHIP covers abortions though =O
yomamasapeach 8 months ago
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS A BIG CANADIAN LIE;
look around on the internet about how many canadians have to go to medical tourism for operations that have been refused in canada;
google saskatchewan man denied medical care;
google, WCB REPORT FILES;
google, sask man denied operation
google doug bondrude
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA The only people who can refuse operations are the person's family physician. The government has absolutely no say in it. The handful of Canadians who go to the US are those who think their condition is worse than their own physicians say it is. If you want to see a bureaucrat making medical decisions, the only place you'll see that happen is in the US, where insurance company bureaucrats ration & deny health care for profit, not in Canada.
murphyj87 8 months ago
@murphyj87 ...oh thats just a crock of shit...your gp has fuck all to due with the specialists decision? I had a surgeon request an operation for me due to a work injury and workers compensation claims adjudicator overruled the specialists request with no medical training to just FUCK ME AROUND, and deny me the MEDICAL OPERATION
FIXWCBCANADA 8 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA If any physician says you need surgery, you get it , covered by the health care system, despite anything that happens with compensation. If the specialist really said you needed surgery, WCB has nothing to say about it. WCB may not pay for it but the health care system would. Talk about a crock...
murphyj87 8 months ago
I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that. The American health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and the American Medical Assoc.
Canada, Britain, France and even Cuba all have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health care plans where every citizen receives health care with no additional costs
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
The commercial did not quote the "Canadians" and they were obviously not a wide sample size like this video. American's fear of socialism as is practiced in Western Europe, Japan, and Taiwan is crippling us. The only countries that match us for our government's uninvolvement are third world countries. If you have one example of a first world country by HDI that does not care for all of its citizens country please post it here. They do not exist.
Stidmatt1 10 months ago
If you look at geraldine cahill's biography, you'll find that she's actually from AUSTRALIA.
And the title..it should be SOME canadians talk ABOUT the american health care system
Phasedisruptor 10 months ago
why didnt fonzie talk to the actual people in the video she was showing those people?
JDAJR 11 months ago
Dear Canadians, I have a lot of respect for you as our neighbor and ally. You have put up with much of our bickering, and using you as a talking point just to show how you aren't as good, even though it's not true much of the time.
Canadians have had our back in every conflict in the last 100 years, even if they haven't totally agreed. Maybe it's how close I live, but I only have one thing to disagree with most Canadians, which is covered with one saying: Go Red Wings. Thank you Canada!
bigsexy13 11 months ago 3
@bigsexy13 Though I appreciate your comment I have to disagree and say that we did not officially join you in Vietnam or Iraq. We want to support America but will stand for what we believe in.
000snow000 5 months ago
cont'd for and piss on the rest - let them wallow in self indulgent ignorance.
UpstairsMaid 11 months ago
if americans laugh at our army, or our war dead - who gives a fuck? it just proves them to be the assholes we are learning them to be. if we tell them about all the wonderful things canadians have done they will laugh & demean us. so why bother? why bother with them at all? Ocassionally one runs into a good & respectful american, treat that one like the friend he or she is, with the respect & manners we canadians are famous
UpstairsMaid 11 months ago
I don't understand why canadians fight with americans. I used to do that - now I just tell them that they can do & think whatever the fuck they want. I am caring less & less about our supposed greatest ally. i used to love america and americans. but their actions and attitudes have sickened me. so what if they hate canada & our health care & our 'socialism'. who gives a fuck? we know what we have here in canada - I see no reason to convince them othwerwise. it's like pissing in the wind.
UpstairsMaid 11 months ago
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jaimephysique 1 year ago
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FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
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FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
RATIONALE: With the aging population, arthritis of the hip and knee is increasing exponentially. While total joint replacement of the hip and knee have been proven to provide excellent outcomes for this debilitating clinical entity, the demand in Canada has grown to such an extent that there are thousands of people suffering on wait lists across the country. There have been numerous recent studies focusing on the effects that waiting have on patient .
FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
When access to elective surgery is rationed by wait lists, patients requiring coronary artery bypass grafting may have to wait after a decision to operate has been made. The current literature suggests that a long wait for planned surgical revascularization may lead to worsening of symptoms, deterioration in the patient's condition and a less favorable clinical outcome; it may also increase the probability of preoperative death
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FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
@FIXWCBCANADA You are clearly a fucking idiot. Doctors ONLY get paid from billings. THey bill for a procedure and get paid. They DON'T get paid to NOT treat someone. People do not wait for Level I heart bypass surgery. PERIOD. All documented and can be looked up on the internet. YOU FUCKIN LIE.
You got denied because there is NOTHING wrong with you, except your mental state. You need help alright. 100 docs my ass.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Hmmm?? Doctor MadHabber I presume? Mst doctors in Canada are "on the take". anyone working for the wokers compensation system is an arrogant thief and murderer. Denying peoplesclaims for chronic pain leads directly to te patients death. Slandering, lieing, incompetent, criminal, nazi, pigs. Didn't you know WCB's are a Eugenics program first and formost? No medical care, forced into poverty, abused to death.
SuperNewf1 1 year ago
@SuperNewf1 Umm, no not a doc, but know well over 100 of them. I do not have any first hand knowledge on whether they get workman comp cases, nor do I care. However, I do know that a doc only gets paid through our system through the services they provide NOT through services they deny. If you want to call workman's comp all those things, could care less, but don't lump all docs in the same thing.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 None are innocent when they cover up the torture and murder of ANY! medical patient.
SuperNewf1 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 They do get paid to NOT treat someone. That is their job to NOT treat someone. It is called workers comensation insurance FRAUD!
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FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Canadian doctors GET PAID to provide MRI scans. You are one fucking nutjob. Care to provide any proof on another one of your ridiculous claims?? Thought not.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
hi cubbs, you should watch the video, rick simpson run from the cure ...full version,
and another video to watch is '''what in the world are they spraying ''' full version,...
FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
all Canadians pay taxes YET not all Canadians get UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE;
example; once you are injured on the job, you don't qualify for universal health care, and are stuck in the workers compensation system which is CORRUPT and get paid bonuses to deny claims. so basically your screwed... no health care,,diagnostic tests..operations 4 you...UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS CANADA'S BIGGEST LIE;
fell through a crack is an understatement,when wsib/wcb is involved it's more like a
grand canyon
FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
i was kicked out of hospital in Canada with multiple spinal injuries, in desperation i went to another hospital and was again kicked out. i was not belligerent whatsoever;
in desperation i went from physician to phycisian to physician, no tests were ordered, i was givin armloads of pain meds, and other meds; when the pain got worse i went back to the hospital and received NO HELP; I later found out that a physician was telling other doctors i was a malingering faker; I am bankrupt and disabled;
FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
@FIXWCBCANADA The only good Hospitals in the US are Mayo Clinic
and John Hopkins.Doctors from Canada say there is a longer wait period
for people who need treatment,For instance if someone needs chemo yes chemo will
kill the Cancer cells but again the chemo will kill the person because of heavy doses of Radiation,Why
do you think so many people smoke pot instead of chemo because pot prolongs their life,
cubbs357 1 year ago
Never heard a stories in Canada wherein patients were dumped by hospital because they can't pay their bills and never heard stories that Canadians got bankrupt paying their hospital bills, medicines, etc.. In USA it happen
stoneroses13 1 year ago
Asking people as they come out of Hospital row in Toronto??? How about asking those who live in the more rural areas of Canada. How do they feel about not having access to a doctor because the government feels the need to only provide them to high population areas?
qhack 1 year ago
@qhack A doctor can open up a practice ANYWHERE in Canada, rurally or otherwise. The gov't does not restrict any doctor from setting up where they want since they all run PRIVATE practices. Why aren't more doctors in small town Canada, the same reason they aren't in small town U.S.A., because its a SMALL TOWN.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
As a US citizen, I personally know the Canadian system is far better. That commercial is no doubt sponsored by those industries in the US who feed off of the sick. If you don't have money, they don't care about you at all. They rip off sick people. They will ask you to leave from your doctor or hospital. Look how much their CEOs make annually. The documentary Sicko is true. You lose your job, you lose your so-called healthcare, you don't have money, you can lose everyting, even your life.
Jessecraft1954 1 year ago
Canadian healthcare is great. The problem is it wouldn't work in the U.S. because we have such a large population, including illegal aliens. Canada's population is about the same size as the state of California.
hectorsalina 1 year ago
@hectorsalina Well you have to prove you're a Canadian when you receive medical care in Canada. You have to present your Health Card on each visit. It has your photo, information and OHIP number. The card can be swiped or scanned to pull up medical records and detailed information. Each province regulates their own system.
DoubleDoubleEveryday 1 year ago
We have universal healthcare in Australia and I must say that the system is excellent. My mother died of breast cancer after an 11 year struggle. I can only say that she got very good care and when she was first diagnosed she was treated very quickly.
My father had a VERY serious prostrate infection and he was hospitalised for 5 days. He got fast instant care and got to walk out without paying a cent. When he arrived at the ER sick they gace him tests instantly and found the problem.
Catholicboy4life 1 year ago
yes those storys are true.. it happened to me...i was told to live with the pain..even though my doctor tryed to help me, he wasn`t allowed to....i now have severe neuropathic pain and am still being denied medical treatment. knowing what i now know i wish i would have ran to the MAYO clinic because i now am a disabled injured worker who has been denied any retraining by wcb and unemployment insurance, i went from $6700 month to welfare, to CDI $685 month , try live on that...
Canada SUCKS
FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
@FIXWCBCANADA So do one of two things. Move or stop bitching about our healthcare system when it has everything to do with Workman's Comp., which runs Independently of the gov`t. They are deciding not to cover you, not the province.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
I waited 10 days to get an MRI scan. In Ontario, 90% of patients get their non-urgent MRI in less than 2 months. Many hospitals are listed at 30 days. All on the Ontario provincial website to verify. Any urgent MRI is received immediately. Just like our friends 19 year old daughter, who was wisked into the ER with numbness in her. MRI verified a stroke. Received a 2nd one later that day. Canadian doctors SAVED her life, just like they do EVERYDAY!!
MadHabber93 1 year ago
Canadians are dying due to long waiting lists, it takes forever to get diagnostic tests, your GP is not allowed to order MRI, this must be done by a specialist, wait times to see a specialist can be over 1 year. then wait times for the mri can also be over 1 year,
It took me 3 years to get an mri, and then it took 5 years for the next mri, the pain specialist has stated due to the wait my pain is now neuropathic and here take a fentanyl patch; my life has been destroyed by Canadian Doctors
FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
How do I become a Canadien citizen? With the way things are going in America (rising cost of education and healthcare, moron Republicans calling for giant tax cuts without cutting spending, all our jobs going overseas, etc, etc) I don't see my self staying here.
jebenn23 1 year ago
The canadian healthcare is good for some people some of time, but not for all the people all of the time.
My neighbour lady is fighting cancer.... I don't want to experience what she experienced.
Shane on you Canada!
Yak!
pepintheshort100 1 year ago
@pepintheshort100 My neighbours both fought cancer recently and had only praise for their treatment. Both in remission/cured. My friend was just diagnosed with breast cancer. Again, getting timely, excellent care. Thank God for our system.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@pepintheshort100 our health care works great what are you americans worried about.
viper10011 1 year ago
what I'd like to share w/ my fellow Americans is that we already have universal healthcare . When every American turns 65 we are all eligible and must accept Medicare. It was the private health insurance companies who bribed the congress into passing Medicare because these companies did not want to pay for the health care needs of the elderly so they passed this bill onto the American taxpayer. So, if "socialized" medicine is so evil why don't we get rid of it?
fobbitguy 1 year ago
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won't see this on Fox News
liberal4ever 1 year ago
I like the way it is, you don't get turned away because you have no cash....An accident won't cause financial ruin.
wanttoseemysnake 1 year ago
And every word obozo says is a lie! Straight from the video..."those stories are PROBABLY TRUE! But, NOT every health-care is perfect, of course"...my point made
cybervore 1 year ago
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cybervore 1 year ago
For those that cry socialism when Canada is discussed, they fail to realized that there is a free market win win with the Canadian public medical system. That system makes it cheaper for private businesses to compete. Ever wondered why it is cheaper to open up an automobile plant in Canada compared to the United States? Before unions are going to be blamed in response, remember that unions are actually stronger in Canada. Public medical care makes it cheaper for businesses up there.
PsychoPunk1965 1 year ago
There are some things the Government can and can't control, as there are things Corporations can and can't control, and corporations can NOT control Healthcare and Military operations.
dave19941000 1 year ago
Haha this is total bs. My dad would have died from prostate cancer in canada and they told him their was nothing they could do. He came To the US and was told it was treatable. He is still alive and now we live hear because of his job. I think this congress is stupid. Any kind of socializing is bad. If the lack of treatment doesnt kill us the cost of it to the taxpayer will. Gf America looks like we lost to our government.
panzerkilla 1 year ago
@panzerkilla Don't buy it. I work in the industry. If its treatable in the U.S., its treatable in Canada.
MadHabber93 1 year ago 2
It doesn't matter if it worx or not…this is America! Fuck Canada and it's usurping despots…the healthcare for everyone crap is UNCONSTITUTIONAL…point blank! Have you read the US Constitution…have you?!
suavebone 1 year ago
@suavebone
Unconstitutional? Police and fire services are shoved down your throats: everyone pays for it. Is it unconstitutional too? Perhaps private police forces can be cheaper!!
And why is everyone "entitled" to legal representation in court, as stated in Miranda? Why do the rich have to pay so those evil poor criminals can have legal representation?
Socialized health care is a moral no brainer and in the long run benefits everyone. But you just close your mind and stick to what you know.
Spanky00Cheeks 1 year ago
@Spanky00Cheeks police is law enforcement and according to capitalism, law enforcement is a function of the government along with the military. Without wars and crime, private police and military companies would go bankrupt. People will always need medical help and therefor that can be provided by the market. How can it be that the private market supplies everything, EXCEPT healthcare...makes no sense. It's like saying that the laws of math don't apply when you add 2+2 but do with other #'s
daconqueror101 1 year ago
@suavebone look fucktard this video is showing the lies and propaganda your system has. I don't give a fuck if americans don't get healthcare. most canadians wouldn't care either. you lot can take a flying fuck for all I care.
UpstairsMaid 11 months ago
Very good coverage, answers and questions.
MagpieGemstonescom 1 year ago
I am Canadian and I totally support our (Canadian) system. Why was Tommy Douglas voted the greatest Canadian? Universal health care.
111oooo 1 year ago 2
Heres the solution to people in America not being able to afford healthcare....laws need to be made that hospitals can't charge those excessive prices like $100,000.00 for heart care, allow much competition by letting doctors and help them to open their own clinic all over, all the money our fake government steals from America to build up other countries like china, mexico, germany and so on - use that money to help people who need care and can't afford it but do not force us to buy it!
crazydaysful 1 year ago 6
I noticed that your video revolved around interviews in downtown Toronto in Canada's weathiest province. I am from British Columbia where our health care system has turned into your worst nightmare. Any town or city with a population of 20000 people or less has had its hospital closed. I went to an emergency room for an MRI for what could have been a life threatening disorder and sat in the emergency room in a cubicle for 9 hours before any emercency room nurses even acknowledged i was there.
40raceguy 1 year ago
@40raceguy Canada's wealthiest province? You are from BC. I live in Quebec and go to Ontario every day, and it's not the wealthiest provinec, just like Quebec, it's a have-not province. Alberta, Newfoundland and Saskatchewan where the only Have provinces last time I bshecked (notice there the oil provinces).
dave19941000 1 year ago
I BELIEVE in our health care system here in Canada. Lately, some of clients have told me that they would go "wherever" they could to get instant care. I have to agree with them...BUT...if a for-profit clinic is made made an option, why not require BY LAW that it must also staff the clinic 24 hrs, to enable "regular" people to have the procedures done during the off hours -no charge (ala health plan). Anyone requiring an MRI would be happy for an appointment at 3:00am, if it meant less of a wait.
sheilalady001 1 year ago 10
@sheilalady001 But then our tax-money would be going to renting MRI machines, medical offices, and staff from private companies at inflated prices. It would make more sense to me to invest that tax money into our current system through purchasing more MRI machines for 24 hour medical facilities that already exist.
DoubleDoubleEveryday 1 year ago
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@sheilalady001 I think most canadian never recieve health care in other countries. Do you know why most chinese immigrant complain canada health care system so much? If you come to my hometown, you will know. In most cases, the waiting time for MRI is less than one hour. Another fact worth mention is that, in my city hospitals run about 60 000 PET scan every year. In ontario(four times population), only 2000 PET scan are conducted every year.
jaimephysique 1 year ago
Why reinvent the wheel? Why not learn from countries that already enjoy socialized medicine. Taiwan, Great Britain, Japan, Germany, and Switzerland are featured in the FRONTLINE report titled "Sick around the world", which you can watch online. While there, also check out "Sick around America".
newsungod 1 year ago 3
Thank You Canada for saving my Life and the Lives of others.
LostLucCameron 2 years ago
I've had several prevenative tests done on me, just because my doctor THOUGHT I could have a problem...Free prevenative medicine is excellent.
CannibalCorpse909 2 years ago
Your going to get sick fact number 1 ..........if it's an extended sickness bankruptcy fact number 2...... 900 thousand this year alone
mrgetrealpeople 2 years ago
Heath care example 1......... It's Simple work for someone else get sick, lose your job, then you lose your employer base insurance...... Then you lose everything because of massive medical bills
Example 2... work for yourself get sick , then the insurance company raises your premium till you can't make the payment your fucked either way......
mrgetrealpeople 2 years ago 3
I am a Canadian and I LOVE my public health care.
frankystein12 2 years ago 2
@frankystein12 your lucky. Iam american. When I had my brain surgery on welfare, I was shunned. This nation is ruled by fear mongering
terrec 2 years ago
I have been a United Kingdom resident for a year...it is SO important to know that I can drop by the hospital and get free treatment for any disease I may have without paying anything........free healthcare is a HUMAN PREROGATIVE
Amingr 2 years ago 2
Hah... these are the FEW that acctually like it, and have never had a life threatening condition
KridikJones 2 years ago
couldn't that be turned around and said about those complaining?
Nupiyo 2 years ago
No, because if you have health care, and have a life threatening condition you will get it treated.... with what they are proposing will make us wait a year to get treatment for things
KridikJones 2 years ago
well one thing you have to remember is with our way if you don't have the cash you will NEVER get treatment. personally i would rather wait a year then never. not saying its perfect. would be nice if you had something you needed don't quick and had the money you could do it right there and then or something. the bill has not been passed yet tho so guess ill just have to wait and see.
Nupiyo 2 years ago
o and i mean turned around as in saying you see a FEW people complaining and just fell though the cracks and just had bad luck.
Nupiyo 2 years ago
hah... and you're the one who havent realized that the u.s healthacare ranks below the avarage of the western world...
you're sinking like a rock in every single field...
Darusdei 2 years ago
I hate to break it to you, but people dont innovate to get a pat on their back..Money IS incentive.
And you're not getting my point..I'm not saying the American system is an end-all-be all...its still pretty balls...but going to a socialist system is simply not the answer...our economy just can't support it.
and if you look at the studies, socialist countries such as France and the U.K are going to eventually suffer bankrupcy, just like Iceland: They're spending money they just dont have.
BreakinGuitarz33 2 years ago
Yeah i understand that you cant just copy a different system, there are many factors to it.
from the start they have been yelling for a bankrupcy the nordic countries are doing just fine, could be better as always but no doom looming in the horizon :D
icelandic "bunkrupcy" has nothing to do with socialist system, they were heavily invested in the yank success story of the subprimes :D
Darusdei 2 years ago
Yea subprime mortgages are bullshit, but that's not a strike against US capitalism: its against corporate greed. Capitalism works when the markets are fair and don't become bloated through debt and unbalanced crediting. That was our big businesses' fault, no doubts there.
Still, even if thats the only reason Iceland went under, which it's not, that doesnt answer the fact that France and England are both on paths where in the forseeable future, they won't even be able to turn a profit.
BreakinGuitarz33 2 years ago
the u.s is over 100,000,000 in debt an d i said OVER alot over i just cant remember the exact number
n000bKinG887 2 years ago
That's not anything related to U.S. health insurance, that's from our faulty pork barrel spending, ineffective social programs and fighting two wars i've never supported.
BreakinGuitarz33 2 years ago
From what I can gather, the number is closer to 7,000,000,000,000
thequebecguy 2 years ago
That much is true, but that's the fault of our dumb shit president of the last 8 years..Obama though would dig us even deeper though by providing a public option.
Capitalism didn't fail...Greed failed.
BreakinGuitarz33 2 years ago
"Capitalism didn't fail...Greed failed."
Capitalism, little boy, IS greed.
bapyou 2 years ago
Last time I heard there was nothing wrong with making the best of your situation by WORKING towards something better in life.
And as long as companies and banks are regulated so that the people aren't fucked over with subprime mortgages and other nonsense, its a system that Works.
Don't come crying to me when the U.S. moves past its war debts and your country is floundering in a socialist induced bankruptcy.
BreakinGuitarz33 2 years ago
My country? What country is that?
bapyou 2 years ago
How should i know? I could be wrong and you might be an American, but if so you barely have any idea of how our country works, politically or economically..
BreakinGuitarz33 2 years ago
"you barely have any idea of how our country works, politically or economically."
It is you who knows little. I suggest watching the video (or better, buy & read the book) 'A Brief History of Neoliberalism' by David Harvey.
Capitalism and greed are synonyms. If you haven't perceived this yet (and yes, perceive is proper term here), nothing will ever makes sense: politics, economics, culture, etc.
bapyou 2 years ago
If you read the book Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto, I will read A Brief History of Neoliberalism.
If capitalism is synonymous with greed, than what do you call it when the government takes everyones money, only to shoot it back out in wasteful and ineffective programs?
Yes, there should be regulations to cut down massive, overpowering monopolies, but capitalism is not greed, its Hope that by hard work you can change your life for the better. Socialism is a reward to not work
BreakinGuitarz33 2 years ago
"there should be regulations to cut down massive, overpowering monopolies"
That's not the standard neoliberal line. For Friedmanites, corporations should be able to operate without constraints, save those of the so-called "free"-market; a system of economic relations which, in reality, isn't free at all. Free market "reforms," when instituted in foreign countries, always come with restrictions & stipulations against union organizing & environmental regulation.
bapyou 2 years ago