Thankfully STV is dead. now we dont have to listen to idiots with gummi bears anymore. The people who support STV are the same people that "could see" the emperor's new clothes... think about it.
Those other two countries have a system which has no local representation and is based purely on a party vote system so if you get 2% of the vote nationwide you get 2% of the seats.
Shukria123, I guess if you were in North Korea you would say democracy is a bad thing because of what happens in Italy and Israel. Obviously since they elect people any form of election is bad. Please understand that BC-STV was designed to weed out extremest parties by requiring a significant amount of local support. Somewhere between 12-20k votes to get elected.
Shukria123, you are either dishonest or misinformed. There are scores of countries around the world using proportional representation and they aren't all like Israel or Italy. The systems are very different and the political cultures have a role to play. Please educate yourself before you post more of this nonsense.
Ok, fair enough: it's not fair to compare BC politics to the Palestine/Israel conflict; one involves mortars and rockets, and the other does not. But that's not my point. My point is that STV is very similar to how they elect their representatives to the Israeli Knesset, and this is what concerns me. Too many parties are in the Knesset(or the Italian parliament) and chaos reigns.
Maybe it's an insult to BC politics to equate it to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict because the P/I conflict is so much worse. However, how can it be an insult the other way around? How can it be an insult to the Palestinians and the Israelis to equate the P/I conflict with BC politics when the BC politics is so much milder?
As far as BC political campaigning being more mild than US politics, I'm not so sure; some of the NDP television attack ads on Gordon Campbell are pretty darn nasty..
My point is that STV is a system of *proportional* representation. The
differences between party-list proportional representation, mixed member proportional, and STV are only superficial - when all is said and done, they all result in the same thing: each party's share of seats is *proportional* to their share of the popular vote. Proponents of STV admit as much; in fact, it's meant to be one of STV's selling points.
As to the issue of BC not having political conflicts as extreme as the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, look at the vitriol we've seen in this election - the extremely negative campaign adds, etc.. - BC politics can be pretty nasty.
Imagine Gordon Campbell and Carole James joined a coalition goverment in a legislature elected under STV. Would they be able to put aside their differences and form a viable goverment?
Are you really still trying to compare the BC political campaigning, which is quite mild by most Canadian standards, and certainly compared to the US, to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict? They're nothing alike, and it's an insult both to BC politics and the conflict in the middle east.
In Israel, where they have this system, they can't get a peace treaty with the Palestinians because one tiny party in the ruling coalition won't go along with it.
In Italy, where they also have this system, they have to have an election every 8 months because some coalition breaks apart.
Israel nor Italy use STV. Israel uses party-list proportional representation, and Italy uses mixed member proportional.
If you're going to cite examples of countries that use STV and are or aren't successful, it's possible to do so without making it up, or finding an extreme example (and invoking the Israeli-Palestinian conflict). Clearly BC does not have such extreme political conflicts to contend with.
That is so cute, and it really does explain the BC-STV system quite well! I'm only 14, and I can't vote, but if I could, I most definitely would vote for it, now knowing what exactly it is! Here's hoping that it'll be passed this year! :D
Haha! That was great! I think I'm going to send this to my socials teacher to show in my next class (as we were discussing BC-STV in our last class and the majority thought is was too confusing and thus were against it).
great to study for poli sci. thanks
NORTHERNKONFLIKT 8 months ago
Now I want Gummy Bears....
xikun 2 years ago
Thankfully STV is dead. now we dont have to listen to idiots with gummi bears anymore. The people who support STV are the same people that "could see" the emperor's new clothes... think about it.
jimdandypicker 2 years ago
I did think about it. I don't like an electoral system which wasted 51% of all votes in the last federal election.
cyclingzealot 2 years ago
This is very clear. Good video!
TheVanGirl 2 years ago 6
Those other two countries have a system which has no local representation and is based purely on a party vote system so if you get 2% of the vote nationwide you get 2% of the seats.
tinfoilknight 2 years ago
Shukria123, I guess if you were in North Korea you would say democracy is a bad thing because of what happens in Italy and Israel. Obviously since they elect people any form of election is bad. Please understand that BC-STV was designed to weed out extremest parties by requiring a significant amount of local support. Somewhere between 12-20k votes to get elected.
tinfoilknight 2 years ago
Shukria123, you are either dishonest or misinformed. There are scores of countries around the world using proportional representation and they aren't all like Israel or Italy. The systems are very different and the political cultures have a role to play. Please educate yourself before you post more of this nonsense.
ReeferMadness33 2 years ago
Ok, fair enough: it's not fair to compare BC politics to the Palestine/Israel conflict; one involves mortars and rockets, and the other does not. But that's not my point. My point is that STV is very similar to how they elect their representatives to the Israeli Knesset, and this is what concerns me. Too many parties are in the Knesset(or the Italian parliament) and chaos reigns.
Shukria123 2 years ago
Maybe it's an insult to BC politics to equate it to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict because the P/I conflict is so much worse. However, how can it be an insult the other way around? How can it be an insult to the Palestinians and the Israelis to equate the P/I conflict with BC politics when the BC politics is so much milder?
As far as BC political campaigning being more mild than US politics, I'm not so sure; some of the NDP television attack ads on Gordon Campbell are pretty darn nasty..
Shukria123 2 years ago
My point is that STV is a system of *proportional* representation. The
differences between party-list proportional representation, mixed member proportional, and STV are only superficial - when all is said and done, they all result in the same thing: each party's share of seats is *proportional* to their share of the popular vote. Proponents of STV admit as much; in fact, it's meant to be one of STV's selling points.
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Shukria123 2 years ago
When I say Italy and Israel have voting systems very much *like* STV, I'm not making it up. They really do.
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Shukria123 2 years ago
As to the issue of BC not having political conflicts as extreme as the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, look at the vitriol we've seen in this election - the extremely negative campaign adds, etc.. - BC politics can be pretty nasty.
Imagine Gordon Campbell and Carole James joined a coalition goverment in a legislature elected under STV. Would they be able to put aside their differences and form a viable goverment?
Shukria123 2 years ago
Are you really still trying to compare the BC political campaigning, which is quite mild by most Canadian standards, and certainly compared to the US, to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict? They're nothing alike, and it's an insult both to BC politics and the conflict in the middle east.
feygele 2 years ago
wow, i learned some thing new today heh, things gummy bears can teach you :)
XLadyXSkittlesX 2 years ago 3
You just won so freaking hard because of this video. I absolutely love it!
ethikos 2 years ago 3
Great video, btw
cthai1976 2 years ago 2
They use this system in neither Italy nor Israel.
Typical of a No side commentator, can't use real facts to make their case so they have to resort to fabrications.
cthai1976 2 years ago 3
In Israel, where they have this system, they can't get a peace treaty with the Palestinians because one tiny party in the ruling coalition won't go along with it.
In Italy, where they also have this system, they have to have an election every 8 months because some coalition breaks apart.
Don't vote for STV.
Shukria123 2 years ago
Israel nor Italy use STV. Israel uses party-list proportional representation, and Italy uses mixed member proportional.
If you're going to cite examples of countries that use STV and are or aren't successful, it's possible to do so without making it up, or finding an extreme example (and invoking the Israeli-Palestinian conflict). Clearly BC does not have such extreme political conflicts to contend with.
feygele 2 years ago
That is so cute, and it really does explain the BC-STV system quite well! I'm only 14, and I can't vote, but if I could, I most definitely would vote for it, now knowing what exactly it is! Here's hoping that it'll be passed this year! :D
carcar2110 2 years ago 4
It must have been hard to make this video without eating the gummy bears.
MomSaysImCool 2 years ago 3
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Haha! That was great! I think I'm going to send this to my socials teacher to show in my next class (as we were discussing BC-STV in our last class and the majority thought is was too confusing and thus were against it).
Thanks!
LovesToCheer8 2 years ago