The Mark Steel Lectures- Oliver Cromwell 3/3

[EllyMcCormack]

04:00 LOL SPOT ON, OLIVER!!! SPOT ON!!!

[santana26491]

I actually found this quite funny, to my surprise.

[xArmagideonTime]

Haha the Clash song at the end, very apt.

[dazpatreg]

Oliver Cromwell; all-round puritanical fanatic and a bit of a twat.

[leebtheloser]

Wait, so the king came back from the dead, shaved his head and became Cromwell's organist?

[Bass5el]

The HURT parody is wondrous.

[Scoob505]

He glossed Over what happened in Ireland, he said 2000 people were killed.... quarter of the population died...

[acerb45666555]

all Charles had to do was fake it! >>("Oh yes indeed! im now loyal to parliament!")...........then,w­hen they let him go he could have gone to Norway! and raised a Huge new army!

[Dominicokey]

'Spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell, and denounce this royal line that still salute him, and will salute him forever'

[pikmindoctor]

Down with the House of Lords!

[TheWilliamcale]

the french got it right mate

off with their heads

every bloody last one of em

[pikmindoctor]

@ TheWilliamcale

Been looking at some of your comments, and I was born well after the last war in Northern Ireland, but I don't think there's really much prejudice against the Irish people here on the mainland. The problem seems to be that there's a lot of extremely nationalistic people living in Northern Ireland, who wave around Union Jacks with a red ulster hand painted on. I think we would like to wave a sign next to them saying "they're not with us". Currently NI is being devolved from UK.

[TheWilliamcale]

i think a lot of the ugly feelings have disipated since the torubles ended but not all

i have heard english say unbeleivably

bigoted thngs about the irish all my life

unprovoked and i could nver beleive it

it was like wtf? like hearng people talk about negroes eating banasa in trees and irish dancing drunk on tables stupid shit

i think most english wish NI would just go away but there is a certain smugness i get from almost every brit i talk to like it okay to dis the micks

Ireland

[kakaze]

The Irish are hardly blaim free in saying bigoted things about the English too.

These days moreso in fact; Brits don't give a crap about the Irish anymore, the Irish though still have a silly victim complex.

[TheWilliamcale]

let me be honest i used to love british cuture monty python fawlty toers doctor who the bbc masterpeice theater one day in 1992 somoene gave me a book on irish history funny that by the time i put that book down i honestly hated you i think its your blackest mark and what really gets me is you wont even admit it this is what get me EVERYONE every culture has blood on it the french had algeria, the germans gassed the jews the turked had that armenian thing,rome had carthage

[TheWilliamcale]

you fucking English do look down on the irish you look down on everyone

you just dont realize how smug you are

now here is my beef

you have this double standard

any time you see a yank you go on and on about imperialsim and how we dragged you into iraq and how greedy and bad the USA is for vietnam

you completely forget us saving your ass in ww2,or the money you still owe us

or how your cuture lives on our coatails

you go on and on about how we have no culture and macdonalds

[GeorgeCottier]

One spells it 'McDonald's', you savage.

[TheWilliamcale]

you eat there i dont

i eat down at the old charsle stewart parnell during happy hour

why should i care how its spelled?

[GeorgeCottier]

I like the Happy Meal. Although the burgers were bigger when I was little.

[TheWilliamcale]

i will say this when i was in dublin

to save money so i could drink more

i went to mc donalds i loved the euro saver. for one euro - The simple and tasty beef burger with 100 per cent pure Irish beef, onions, pickles and tomato ketchup on a soft McDonald's bun.

honestly? the beef in rieland tasted better

[GeorgeCottier]

Where's Rieland?

[TheWilliamcale]

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[TheWilliamcale]

Éire (pronounced [ˈeːɾʲə] (help·info)) is the Irish name for the island of Ireland and the sovereign state of the same name.

this is why i cut and paste i cant spell to save my life,

[SirHappyThe1st]

@TheWilliamcale

My God you do go on about the treatment of the Irish by us Brits. I think you fail to realise with out us Ireland would be a 3rd world backwater, all the subsides and help we gave to your economy and still do and you still go on about what happen hundreds of years ago. Grow up Mick.

[blueskiesmev]

@TheWilliamcale you added the word 'sovereign' there.

[dicky247]

this comment is quite silly. Whilst historic british history has often been of a brutal nature, particularly with the Irish, i don't think that exists to the extent you're implying now. honestly, have you met everyone in england to make such an assumption? Im british and i don't look down on the Irish or americans- i was just born here, and i have alot of irish and american friends. i can also say that we are not the only ones who can at times be arrogant- your comment is proof of such

[dicky247]

@ TheWilliamcale

[TheWilliamcale]

but you immediately get defensive whenever anyone brings up all the fucking awful shit youve done

much worse than us

if your not respsible for ireland or your culture why is evey americna automatically resposible for ours

even if we dont agreewith it

you the worst bloody hypocrites in the world and you make me sick

i'm not irish i'm american

i'm a mongrel most americans are

but i feel for the irish

this is the other thing

any yank in britian gets constant lectures

[TheWilliamcale]

about segregation and racism

but how hypocritical is it how defensive you get when you get called on how your culture shat on the irish for 700 years

just shut the fuck up okay?

then maybe i will

i'm sick of you actiing so morally superior

its a joke

and i for one wont take another minute of it do it to my face

[Rags1Lovett]

why are you talking about us rather than being bemused by one of mark steel's witty remarks. I have lived in ireland all my live i can assure you we don't discuss british relations at all really. i was provoked by your ignorance, i don't have a victim complex you utterly contemptable man. Also you know the london bombings in WW2 mostly nazi spies killed in that affair.

[kakaze]

I used to live in Ireland too and yeah, there its fine. Irish abroad though....quite knobbish- it was always faux-intellectual Dubliners though.

And yes. Ireland does have a victim complex.

[TheWilliamcale]

should be united

Tiocfaidh ár lá

[seansiee]

like most Brits he has a blind spot about the slaughter of the Irish by Cromwell whose name in Ireland is still abhorred and has passed down in folk memory for his heinous deeds.

[TheWilliamcale]

i'm american and its not like our record is spotless

but i have always really disliked the British for the arrogant way they look down on the irish like america looks down on blacks

shit all the bars around here are irish if it werent for the micks i'd have no where good to drink

[losarman]

He glossed quickly over the slaughter in Ireland like it was just an aberration.

[Traitorfish]

True, but the actual fighting of the war was primarily orchastrated by other generals, with Cromwell's involvement, while somewhat daming, being largely political. This means that, from a purely biographical standpoint, a proper investigation into his involvement may take too much to be a wise investment in a half hour documentary.

Perhaps somewhat more acknowledgement was warranted here, but I think there's little more than could be said without requring too much more explanation.

[TheWilliamcale]

he may be a leftist but hes a brit

and the brits all consider the irish a lower form of life

its why i have always disliked the British intensely

you either like the irish and hate the english or vice versa

the one thing that spoils brtish culture is the way they have treated the irish

its disgraceful

[comanchio1976]

@losarman @Scoob505 He gave as much time to that as he did the 'slaughter' on the British mainland. What do you think he did to his enemies in England? Tickle them into submission?

although his methods seem brutal by today's standards, it has been validly argued that they werent out of step with his contemporaries.

The way he's portrayed as some sort of nazi-style Irish exterminator is frankly ludicrous. Just look at the facts objectively rather than listening to 300yr old rumours.

[Buffycomics]

@losarman I agree, he seem to try to make Cromwell look appealing to the modern day British Republican (which, if I'm not mistaken, he himself is) so he present Cromwell deep hate to all Catholics as a simply misunderstanding.

He also choose to ignore other things like the fact that the Commonwealth Republic still kept the peerage or the fact that Cromwell as Lord Protector was king in anything but name.

[JapeUK]

@Buffycomics the Lords were kept against his wishes by aristocratic opposition - he attempted to establish the "Other House" in the 1650s, which would have had appointed life peers as we do now, as a compromise but it was shot down by both radicals and aristocrats. Steel is clearly sympathetic but after a few centuries of heavily biased legend building by royalists its nice to see some levelling out. Also his Catholic hating is both overestimated and not unique - check William III

[DMEB]

ha ha uncleanliness!!

[profglavin]

The only film Ian Paisley went to see in the cinema was 'Cromwell' starring Richard Harris as the lead. Irony par excellence.

[Boccherini64]

The Irish that cromwell actually killed in Ireland were mainly loyalist, thats ironic!

[ollierat9]

The troube is the royal family are like the hydra.

Cut the head off one and there's always another

who pops up.

[truefakeness]

Cromwell was definitely one of the great men of British history.

[AutocracyOnline]

The Johnny Cash parody was fantastic.

[DMEB]

agreed!!!

[IconWatcher]

Still hate Cromwell, but I definitely understand him better now! Nice try and outstanding effort by Mark Steel.

[orangeguru]

Brilliant! Thanks for uploading!

[WarningDontReadThis]

Haha, I loved the Johnny Cash parody xD